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2012-06-09 12:50:20 AM
I would be concerned, but this is far away and there are repressed white women in my own country (ie, they aren't CEO's yet).
 
2012-06-09 12:52:59 AM

zzrhardy: repressed white women


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2012-06-09 12:53:05 AM

cig-mkr: What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?
How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?
And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.
How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?


It takes a hundred years to raise a civilization and one to utterly destroy it. They were utterly destroyed by WW2 and the colonial period, and while some parts are in year 20 or 50 of new civilization, others keep reliving that one year every year.
 
2012-06-09 12:57:41 AM
This wouldn't be an issue if they'd stay in the kitchen.
 
2012-06-09 12:58:15 AM

sleeps in trees: ciberido: Mildot: Are these the women that got all touched upon? Wow, Egyption men sure aren't pickey.

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]

You read a comment like this, and you wonder, "Is this an attempt at humor, or does her really think men attack women in this manner out of sexual desire?"

In other words, are you a misogynist or just an idiot?

I like to be generous and say both. No need to pigeon hole people.


Actually, I like to think I'm a realist. These women are going to have to take all this shiat and a whole lot more, then do some serious ass kicking or as I said earlier in the thread, kill them as they sleep, before any meaningful change will come to this part of the world. Sadly, I do see any of that happening anytime soon. They truly seem to want to take their society (if you can call it that) back to the 12th century. Again, MUSLIMS ARE THE MOST fark UP PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

So go ahead, call me names, but I didn't do this to them, I am just smart enough to know when something is beyond hope (and change).
 
2012-06-09 01:03:27 AM

Lee Bruns: well, the US did nothing when the Taliban took over in Afghanistan because it was none of our business. Then when Al Quaeda used the safety of Afghanistan to plan and implement the WTC attacks everyone wrung their hands and said "Why didn't we do anything before they attacked us?" . So Bush attacked Iraq, and everyone wrung their hands and said "Why are we doing this? They haven't attacked us."
So, now here we are again. Let the hand wringing begin.


The US did nothing because the Russian threat in the region had been expelled. We simply packed up and left.
 
2012-06-09 01:04:19 AM
Ashtrey

I do like that every woman I know and care about is safe to demonstrate without fear of anything more serious than a tresspassing charge.


I hate to burst your bubble, but there have been reports of sexual assault within Occupy...
 
2012-06-09 01:05:36 AM
Im going to go watch some porn now and perhaps, as many of you have suggested, fark myself. So you all have a nice night now. It has been fun.

www.motifake.com
 
2012-06-09 01:05:37 AM

foxyshadis: cig-mkr: What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?
How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?
And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.
How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

It takes a hundred years to raise a civilization and one to utterly destroy it. They were utterly destroyed by WW2 and the colonial period, and while some parts are in year 20 or 50 of new civilization, others keep reliving that one year every year.


Are you saying the problems with the Arab World with respect to women are due to WWII and British colonialism?

I apologize, but I was taught by the LA Unified School District and am often dumbfounded by my ignorance. Regardless, that seems to be a stretch for me, and honestly I wouldn't know the first place to begin to begin to google that up.

May I ask you for some citations to help me understand?

Thank you,
 
2012-06-09 01:07:50 AM

Mildot: sleeps in trees: ciberido: Mildot: Are these the women that got all touched upon? Wow, Egyption men sure aren't pickey.

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]

You read a comment like this, and you wonder, "Is this an attempt at humor, or does her really think men attack women in this manner out of sexual desire?"

In other words, are you a misogynist or just an idiot?

I like to be generous and say both. No need to pigeon hole people.

Actually, I like to think I'm a realist. These women are going to have to take all this shiat and a whole lot more, then do some serious ass kicking or as I said earlier in the thread, kill them as they sleep, before any meaningful change will come to this part of the world. Sadly, I do see any of that happening anytime soon. They truly seem to want to take their society (if you can call it that) back to the 12th century. Again, MUSLIMS ARE THE MOST fark UP PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

So go ahead, call me names, but I didn't do this to them, I am just smart enough to know when something is beyond hope (and change).


I like how you fail to respond in any way to the charge being quoted, while bolding the extra trolly bits that you failed to get a reaction on thus far in the thread. Perhaps the next time you can include colored fonts or animation for more emphasis.
 
2012-06-09 01:08:05 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: pisceandreamer: Can we get these women an intensive six-month course in krav maga and then let the men see what happens when they get all gropey?

While I'm all in favor of people who grope learning their lesson the hard way (and nothing says the hard way like having your hand broken), it sort of ignores the large social context these sexual harassments take place in. I have a friend who has lived in the Middle East, primarily Egypt and Jordan for years, and it's hard to describe the scope of it. She said all the time on the bus she had people grab her ass, her boobs, all over. Even though she was fluent in Arabic, she avoided learning the dirty words (practically the first thing most foreigner learn in most places) because walking down the street people would call out things she knew were dirty and suggestive and didn't want to know exactly what they were saying.

And women, from the time they are little, are trained to just...take it. To fight back is to risk serious physical violence, and the authorities aren't necessarily going to be on your side when they're called. Now, if you're traveling with a man, no one is going to say anything because *he* would have to defend the honor of *his* woman. But a woman by herself, why she's just a whore, a slut, public property for everyone to abuse.

So good on these women for speaking out, because much more effective than teaching women martial arts is teaching them that they're full people, worthy of respect and equal treatment.


But...but...aren't women in the Middle East covered from head to toe to prevent this sort of thing from happening? Shouldn't the Middle East be the site of the least amount of sexual harassment, given that women there are forced to cover more skin than anywhere else in the world? Wait, it isn't?

Why, it's almost as if culturally blaming sexual assault on women dressing too sluttily doesn't decrease the amount of sexual assault that goes on, and in fact probably increases it. Who would have thought?
 
2012-06-09 01:10:16 AM
TFA: After the marchers entered a crowded corner of the square, a group of men waded into the women, heckling them and groping them. The male supporters tried to fend them off, and it turned into a melee involving a mob of hundreds.

The uprising is come! Pervs of the world unite! Don your wifebeater and rally 'round the banner of indecency! First Egypt, THEN THE WORLD!!!1!

This is so exciting.
 
2012-06-09 01:10:35 AM
But...but Quran says that men and women are equal! Are you saying that the Quran isn't being followed?

http://www.submission.info/perspectives/women/equality.html
 
2012-06-09 01:12:46 AM

IHadMeAVision: What amazes me about Middle Eastern culture (or maybe just Arab) is that chivalry simply doesn't exist. People from all over the world disrespect the crap out of women in different ways, but only a Middle Eastern dude would have his wife carry all the crap they just bought out to the car, then hop in the passenger seat while she loads all the crap in the trunk. I bet he's taking a nap while she drives home the way it's going. Not even a Muslim thing, Jews and Christians from the region that live here in NYC seem to be just as bad.

/used to work in retail, and it's just one of those things, like "Hasidic Jews open boxes no matter how many times you tell them not to" and "Asian kids love Thomas the Tank Engine"


It's illegal for women to drive under Islamic Law.
 
2012-06-09 01:13:23 AM

Mildot: MUSLIMS ARE THE MOST fark UP PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.


What, no love for City employees, Mac users or Cosplayers?
 
2012-06-09 01:16:57 AM

RoyBatty: foxyshadis: cig-mkr: What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?
How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?
And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.
How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

It takes a hundred years to raise a civilization and one to utterly destroy it. They were utterly destroyed by WW2 and the colonial period, and while some parts are in year 20 or 50 of new civilization, others keep reliving that one year every year.

Are you saying the problems with the Arab World with respect to women are due to WWII and British colonialism?

I apologize, but I was taught by the LA Unified School District and am often dumbfounded by my ignorance. Regardless, that seems to be a stretch for me, and honestly I wouldn't know the first place to begin to begin to google that up.

May I ask you for some citations to help me understand?

Thank you,


Google would be a good start.
 
2012-06-09 01:17:36 AM

Chinchillazilla: Skyred: StreetlightInTheGhetto: El Freak: God Is My Co-Pirate: Mildot: Are these the women that got all touched upon? Wow, Egyption men sure aren't pickey.

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]

fark yourself, dipshiat.

Seconded.

Thirded.

Fourtheded

Ditto.


Well, one good thing about Mildot's comment: It helped my add a few more names to my favorite list.
 
2012-06-09 01:20:27 AM

RoyBatty: foxyshadis: cig-mkr: What is the mind set of the men? If they allow another man to fondle their "property" what kind of men can they be?
How far off the deep end would you go if someone was groping your mom, sister, wife, daughter?
And I say property because that's the status of women in the third world.
How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?

It takes a hundred years to raise a civilization and one to utterly destroy it. They were utterly destroyed by WW2 and the colonial period, and while some parts are in year 20 or 50 of new civilization, others keep reliving that one year every year.

Are you saying the problems with the Arab World with respect to women are due to WWII and British colonialism?

I apologize, but I was taught by the LA Unified School District and am often dumbfounded by my ignorance. Regardless, that seems to be a stretch for me, and honestly I wouldn't know the first place to begin to begin to google that up.

May I ask you for some citations to help me understand?

Thank you,


Duh. All racism, sexism, or other problems in third-world countries are always the fault of Western imperialists. Places like the Arab world were scholarly, rich, egalitarian paradises before Westerners came along and infected them with their evil Western ideas like sexism, racism, and wealth inequality.
 
2012-06-09 01:21:53 AM
Hey, has anybody suggested that the women in question should get back in the kitchen, and/or make some sammiches? And have a bunch of people blithely offered facile suggestions, like the women should just fight back...?
 
2012-06-09 01:23:52 AM

Mildot: sleeps in trees: ciberido: Mildot: Are these the women that got all touched upon? Wow, Egyption men sure aren't pickey.

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]

You read a comment like this, and you wonder, "Is this an attempt at humor, or does her really think men attack women in this manner out of sexual desire?"

In other words, are you a misogynist or just an idiot?

I like to be generous and say both. No need to pigeon hole people.

Actually, I like to think I'm a realist. These women are going to have to take all this shiat and a whole lot more, then do some serious ass kicking or as I said earlier in the thread, kill them as they sleep, before any meaningful change will come to this part of the world. Sadly, I do see any of that happening anytime soon. They truly seem to want to take their society (if you can call it that) back to the 12th century. Again, MUSLIMS ARE THE MOST fark UP PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

So go ahead, call me names, but I didn't do this to them, I am just smart enough to know when something is beyond hope (and change).


Honest, therefore admirable. Thanks for explaining. But if my ilk listened to that we'd still be looking for the vote and recognition of not being property.

Muslims are going through the same growing pains the rest of the world has. As for farked up... Take a look at the republicans and birth control. It still goes on.
 
2012-06-09 01:24:22 AM

redhook: IHadMeAVision: What amazes me about Middle Eastern culture (or maybe just Arab) is that chivalry simply doesn't exist. People from all over the world disrespect the crap out of women in different ways, but only a Middle Eastern dude would have his wife carry all the crap they just bought out to the car, then hop in the passenger seat while she loads all the crap in the trunk. I bet he's taking a nap while she drives home the way it's going. Not even a Muslim thing, Jews and Christians from the region that live here in NYC seem to be just as bad.

/used to work in retail, and it's just one of those things, like "Hasidic Jews open boxes no matter how many times you tell them not to" and "Asian kids love Thomas the Tank Engine"

It's illegal for women to drive under Islamic Law.


Not so. Since there is no driving in the Quran, there is no prohibition on women drivers. Saudi Arabia has a ban that they justify based on the idea that it's a gateway drug to other things that are against Islamic law, but as far as I know they are alone in having that rule on the books.
 
2012-06-09 01:26:54 AM

garkola: But...but Quran says that men and women are equal! Are you saying that the Quran isn't being followed?

http://www.submission.info/perspectives/women/equality.html


The bible says to enjoy your shrimp scampi, wear your chinos but hate gays.
 
2012-06-09 01:39:20 AM

Mildot: You'll all have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear over this. Muslims, as a group, are the most farked up people on the planet and nothing we say or do short eradicating them from the planet is going to fix them anytime soon.

Now, Im going to go back to farking myself... could someone please post some picts of hot egyption women???


I know you're trolling and this is just feeding you, but I honestly, sincerely hope you are eaten by a large predator.
 
2012-06-09 01:49:12 AM

Mildot: You'll all have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear over this. Muslims, as a group, are the most farked up people on the planet and nothing we say or do short eradicating them from the planet is going to fix them anytime soon.

Now, Im going to go back to farking myself... could someone please post some picts of hot egyption women???


I don't have the biggest ignore list on fark. But it just grew.
 
2012-06-09 01:51:39 AM
Sexual harassment? The women (creatures) in that photo have NOTHING to worry about!!!
 
2012-06-09 01:52:18 AM
why are muslim men such cowards?

seriously, it's a problem.

/cough
//tiny dick
///cough
 
2012-06-09 01:54:11 AM
i.usatoday.net
Pfffffffftt.......color her surprised.
 
2012-06-09 02:03:47 AM

cig-mkr: How can a civilization that had a thousand year jump start on us, be so backward?


Progressives (hence the name) tend to see history as forward progress towards enlightenment and greater civil rights for all human beings. Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to see history as a slow decline from a golden age into depravity and lawlessness. Neither view is really true. History tends to be cyclical. The way "minority" groups such as women, blacks, and Jews have been treated over the centuries show this, with the situation getting better, then worse, then better again.

You can see it in the USA now, with social conservatives trying to take away hard-won civil rights such as reproductive choice. Even a commentator on Fox claiming women shouldn't be allowed to vote. It's scary to think all this progress could be lost, but the danger is real, in the USA, in Egypt, everywhere. It's like swimming upstream.
 
2012-06-09 02:11:23 AM
Be sure and vote for Romney. Republicans love women.
 
2012-06-09 02:16:38 AM
Thanks for the comments.
 
2012-06-09 02:30:11 AM
We need a "DERP" button up there with the Smart and Funny.
 
2012-06-09 02:36:15 AM

sleeps in trees: The bible says to enjoy your shrimp scampi, wear your chinos but hate gays.


I see your point, but just to nitpick: Chino cloth is, or was originally, 100% cotton twill. Nowadays chino is either 100% cotton or a cotton-synthetic blend. Those Jews who actually observe the Levitical prohibition against mixing fiber agree it only applies to mixing two natural fibers, and synthetic cloth is thus exempt.

There's a book, The Year of Living Biblically, that goes into these issues in some detail.

Also, if you try to confront a fundamentalist with this particular inconsistency, their most likely defense is "But the NEW TESTAMENT condemns homosexuality, too!" (I know because I've tried.) A lot of Christians believe that it's safe to ignore the Old Testament, at least when observing it would be inconvenient.
 
2012-06-09 02:51:17 AM
This is rather sad, but you'd think a few of them would go all Lorena Bobbit on their asses and cut a few dicks off. It would likely put an end to the shenanigans.
 
2012-06-09 02:55:25 AM

Chinchillazilla: Mildot: You'll all have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear over this. Muslims, as a group, are the most farked up people on the planet and nothing we say or do short eradicating them from the planet is going to fix them anytime soon.

Now, Im going to go back to farking myself... could someone please post some picts of hot egyption women???

I know you're trolling and this is just feeding you, but I honestly, sincerely hope you are eaten by a large predator.


A horde of small ones would be more entertaining.
 
2012-06-09 03:26:02 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: pisceandreamer: Can we get these women an intensive six-month course in krav maga and then let the men see what happens when they get all gropey?

While I'm all in favor of people who grope learning their lesson the hard way (and nothing says the hard way like having your hand broken), it sort of ignores the large social context these sexual harassments take place in. I have a friend who has lived in the Middle East, primarily Egypt and Jordan for years, and it's hard to describe the scope of it. She said all the time on the bus she had people grab her ass, her boobs, all over. Even though she was fluent in Arabic, she avoided learning the dirty words (practically the first thing most foreigner learn in most places) because walking down the street people would call out things she knew were dirty and suggestive and didn't want to know exactly what they were saying.

And women, from the time they are little, are trained to just...take it. To fight back is to risk serious physical violence, and the authorities aren't necessarily going to be on your side when they're called. Now, if you're traveling with a man, no one is going to say anything because *he* would have to defend the honor of *his* woman. But a woman by herself, why she's just a whore, a slut, public property for everyone to abuse.

So good on these women for speaking out, because much more effective than teaching women martial arts is teaching them that they're full people, worthy of respect and equal treatment.


Awesome sentiment.
 
2012-06-09 03:39:07 AM

Buffet: Sexual harassment? The women (creatures) in that photo have NOTHING to worry about!!!


You're an asshole.
 
2012-06-09 04:03:52 AM

pisceandreamer: Can we get these women an intensive six-month course in krav maga and then let the men see what happens when they get all gropey?


Nah. Takes too long. Instead, give the women knives and large fishhooks. Should be easy to conceal in the clothes they wear. Then next man that gets gropy gets a sharp and pointy something stuck in his hand.
 
2012-06-09 04:35:38 AM

Troublesome Strumpet: Buffet: Sexual harassment? The women (creatures) in that photo have NOTHING to worry about!!!

you are witty and observant!

 
2012-06-09 04:38:15 AM

Moonfisher: We need a "DERP" button up there with the Smart and Funny.


fc03.deviantart.net
 
2012-06-09 04:52:04 AM

pisceandreamer: Can we get these women an intensive six-month course in krav maga and then let the men see what happens when they get all gropey?


encouraging women to enter the physical arena with men is not going to end well for them.
 
2012-06-09 04:53:34 AM

IHadMeAVision: "Hasidic Jews open boxes no matter how many times you tell them not to"


I dunno, I think they're on to something. There's been many an occasion where I wished I had done that and I hadn't.

www.consumer.org.nz
 
2012-06-09 04:57:47 AM
I wonder if they'll try it twice?

/I know.. not very funny.
 
2012-06-09 05:58:21 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: pisceandreamer: Can we get these women an intensive six-month course in krav maga and then let the men see what happens when they get all gropey?

While I'm all in favor of people who grope learning their lesson the hard way (and nothing says the hard way like having your hand broken), it sort of ignores the large social context these sexual harassments take place in. I have a friend who has lived in the Middle East, primarily Egypt and Jordan for years, and it's hard to describe the scope of it. She said all the time on the bus she had people grab her ass, her boobs, all over. Even though she was fluent in Arabic, she avoided learning the dirty words (practically the first thing most foreigner learn in most places) because walking down the street people would call out things she knew were dirty and suggestive and didn't want to know exactly what they were saying.

And women, from the time they are little, are trained to just...take it. To fight back is to risk serious physical violence, and the authorities aren't necessarily going to be on your side when they're called. Now, if you're traveling with a man, no one is going to say anything because *he* would have to defend the honor of *his* woman. But a woman by herself, why she's just a whore, a slut, public property for everyone to abuse.

So good on these women for speaking out, because much more effective than teaching women martial arts is teaching them that they're full people, worthy of respect and equal treatment.


msnbcmedia4.msn.comwww.peopleofcolororganize.com

Geez, you guys can't hold a "please don't turn women into legal non-entities" protest without everyone getting all molest-y on you?

Over here, we have Slut Walks. SLUT WALKS. SLUT WALKS! And it all goes over mostly without a hitch and everyone goes home happy except for a few ultraconservatives who are both frowning and very confused but no one gets spat upon, that being the point.

Just an example to illustrate the difference here.
 
2012-06-09 06:24:58 AM
i250.photobucket.com

"Hey guys, some chicks are holding an anti-sexual-harassment rally in town today, let's go grope them."
 
2012-06-09 06:27:47 AM
We leave this country in 16 hours. Not a minute too soon.
/gonna get me some America
//Fark yeah!
 
2012-06-09 07:50:06 AM

Skyred: Why didn't these women just fight back? I can't say a dude has ever groped me but I figure throwing a fist would stop it


That would only work in America where the government protects women. Those women would simply get the shiat kicked out of them then groped anyway. American women have delusions of superiority supported by law, not nature.
 
2012-06-09 08:17:38 AM

Troublesome Strumpet: Buffet: Sexual harassment? The women (creatures) in that photo have NOTHING to worry about!!!

You're an asshole.


Can you explain why Amber? Not disputing you. Merely curious.
 
2012-06-09 08:34:55 AM

Terrydatroll: Skyred: Why didn't these women just fight back? I can't say a dude has ever groped me but I figure throwing a fist would stop it

That would only work in America where the government protects women. Those women would simply get the shiat kicked out of them then groped anyway. American women have delusions of superiority supported by law, not nature.


I agree. These women are fighting back. They are very brave to even attempt this march.
 
2012-06-09 08:46:02 AM

Buffet: Troublesome Strumpet: Buffet: Sexual harassment? The women (creatures) in that photo have NOTHING to worry about!!!

You're an asshole.

Can you explain why Amber? Not disputing you. Merely curious.


First off: Amber?

Second, that is a belief that ignores the foundation of sexual assault and harassment: it's about power. Sexual abuse and all its permutations are a form of bullying. In this particular case, it's an attempt to put those "uppity womenfolk" in their place. Looks and attraction have nothing to do with it. So when someone who may not be conventionally attractive- overweight or old or whatever- is harassed or raped, and people blow them off as trying to get attention when they try to talk about it or report it, it ignores the actual driving force behind such assaults and makes it harder for victims to get the help they need, and for this sort of thing to be stopped.
 
2012-06-09 08:57:44 AM
FTA: The marchers tried to flee while the attackers chased them and male supporters tried to protect them. But the attackers persisted, cornering several women against a metal sidewalk railing, including an Associated Press reporter, shoving their hands down their clothes and trying to grab their bags. The male supporters fought back, swinging belts and fists and throwing water.

WTF? Did a CBS reporter really refer to a woman's breasts as 'bags'?
 
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