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2012-06-09 02:00:12 AM
We have to stick with 50, though. So every new state means an old one is kicked out. Goodbye Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Oklahoma. They can combine into the new country of Redtardia.
 
2012-06-09 02:01:48 AM
About the only one I can REALISTICALLY see is Puerto Rico--and (not mentioned) I could see the Commonwealth of the Marianas being made into a state as well. (Guam and the VI are too small--if memory serves me right, there's a threshold of 50,000 residents that has to be met before statehood can be granted--and American Samoa is an unorganised territory whose residents are the only US nationals who aren't legally US citizens, so it'd have to be incorporated and organised (and American Samoans granted citizenship proper) before that could happen.

Cuba becoming a US state is about as likely as the Phillipines becoming a US state--and there's more actual connections between the US and the Phillipines. (Again, if memory serves me right, at least one proposal for statehood was considered for the Phillipines, but they voted for independence in their referendum instead.)

England or any other part of the UK becoming a US state...OK, I'm going to go ahead and set up the appointment for the nebuliser treatment I'm going to need after the asthma attack from LAUGHING at this bit of redonkulosity. Seriously, you'd have a better shot at statehood for Taiwan or Australia. You'd possibly have a greater shot of the United States willingly becoming a member of the Commonwealth of Nations (though one of the "republic" members of the Commonwealth without the Queen on the currency) than you would of ever seeing the states of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales.

(That said--I CAN see the UK breaking up into its constituent countries of Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales and all four being in the Commonwealth like Canada or Australia; there are already moves to set up independent parliaments in Wales and Scotland for home rule. I don't see the (American) State of Scotland in our future, though, not even the alternative future where Barack Obama AND Vladimir Putin AND Queen Elizabeth the Second are all wearing goatees.)

DC becoming a state would have some very serious issues, seeing as the federal district status of the District of Columbia is Constitutionally mandated and it's arguable a constitutional amendment would be necessary to change the legal status.

Much more likely IMHO is that the District is reduced in size to only cover the actual governmental buildings around the White House, Supreme Court and Congress (and housing for the Supreme Court Justices and Congresscritters while government functions are in session) and the land where Plain Folk actually live ends up being ceded to Maryland. There is actually precedent for this with the Arlington, VA metro area--much of which DID formerly belong to the District of Columbia until ceded to Virginia. You also don't have the constitutional issues that could come up with formal statehood for the District; the federal government proper still meets in a federal district with no permanent residents other than governmental officials, and the areas of Washington which aren't the actual seat of government become parts of Maryland and thus get representation with their taxation and formal control of their own affairs.

I also have my doubts that New York City will be able to secede from New York State, or Chicago from Illinois (or hell, Louisville from the rest of Kentucky, which has ALSO been ha-ha-only-serious proposed); there are, again, some fairly serious constitutional issues that would generally prohibit this (the only state that actually has provisions in its statehood referendum and approval even providing for splits is Texas, and that's pretty much only in the case of secession); the only states where this has ever happened in practice are Virginia (Kentucky--which was functionally a territorial holding of Virginia until 1792--and West Virginia, accorded statehood thanks to the Civil War due to that area being in active rebellion against the Confederate government of Virginia proper--basically legally being a split within a Confederate state where a part held by a Union government-in-exile seceded from the Confederacy to join the US as a state) and Massachusetts (where Maine was also a de facto territorial holding of Massachusetts and which gained separate statehood in 1820); Vermont, which actually operated as a de facto independent country until 1791, arose from a territorial dispute between New York and New Hampshire that was ultimately settled with the area becoming its own colonial holding.

Specifically, the big holdup that largely prevents the split of states is that not only the area wishing statehood but also the state the area is presently in and its legislature must give approval. Pretty much no state has done this since 1820, when Maine became a state; West-By-God Virginia pretty much got statehood by virtue of "reverse secession" from a state in active rebellion against the US government, and were there not a civil war going on the legality of West Virginia's formation would have been squidgy. (Even MAINE got its statehood largely due to early attempts to forestall the Civil War in the Missouri Compromise--they needed a "free state" to balance out Missouri being admitted as a "slave state".)

Neither Illinois nor New York State are exactly willing to give up the tax dollars that Chicago or New York City provide to the state's coffers, so they'd fight like hell over attempts at forming, say, the State of New Amsterdam or the State of Chicago.

Honestly, about the ONLY proposed state splits that I think would actually have a hope in hell in my lifetime would be California splitting into two states--and even THEN that would be iffy for much the same reasons; I'll probably see the Second Civil War against the Neo-Confederacy before I see a state successfully split. :P (And yes, there's been lots of proposals for state splits--see here.)
 
2012-06-09 02:02:41 AM
Seriously?

www.1stchoiceaupairs.eu

The writer obviously had US-taught geography, as he has no idea that Great Britain and the U.K. are not the same thing as England.
 
2012-06-09 02:03:46 AM
1. Shock
2. Denial
3. Confusion
4. Fear
5. Rebellion
 
2012-06-09 02:03:52 AM

bluorangefyre: StopLurkListen: Paris1127: I don't know if Congress would want to let Puerto Rico become a state (its own citizens notwithstanding), as its population is entirely Spanish-speaking (respect are country and all), and having a state in the Caribbean could allow for easier illegal immigration.

Um...

Puerto Ricans are ALREADY American citizens. Statehood won't change that.

The point sailed so far over your head that it nearly collided with an aircraft.


www.bryan-thorne.com
Here's a map to explain it to him. One of the places on this map would become a magnet for illegal immigration if it became a state. Can you guess which one?
 
2012-06-09 02:06:07 AM
Author is a moron. The only place with any chance of becoming a state is Puerto Rico and they keep rejecting that idea because they are intelligent enough to realize having a vote in Congress is not worth the income taxes they would have to pay. Considering my "return on investment", I don't blame them one bit.

NYC? What an incredible stupid and unlikely idea. It would require Congressional approval (as stated in the Constitution) and there is no way that would ever happen.

Cuba? That would require a war. Maybe, but unlikely since the ruling party there only likes to talk big, but know they would get their asses handed to them if we were serious.

DC? Again, nope. DC was separated from Maryland for a damn good reason.

The UK? That's when I realized the author had a serious crack problem. They don't want to be Americans and we don't want the mess they've created.

I also note the complete absence of Germany on the list, which we already know will occur after a future president gets in a drunken fist fight with the German head of state.
 
2012-06-09 02:06:37 AM
6. China

7. The Sun
 
2012-06-09 02:09:30 AM
I cannot possibly believe the author of TFA typed the UK with a straight face. There would have to be some sort of cataclysmic shift in world geopolitics for that to happen. Like "Thundarr the Barbarian" style of shift. That must have been put there just to make 5.
 
2012-06-09 02:12:27 AM

Ryker's Peninsula: 1. Shock
2. Denial
3. Confusion
4. Fear
5. Rebellion


But probably not in that order.
 
2012-06-09 02:13:48 AM
Honestly, I think Puerto Rico should be a state..granted I do not live there, but they have been a part of this country for a while now and serve in the military at higher rates then a lot of real american states. I know they have voted on it several times and hasen't passed, but I wish they would get there. personally they deserve senators and congressmen. And at least from what i have read they have a healthy repub and democratic party there, though I think as a whole it leans blue. but alas it is their choice. U.K.? who wants a bunch a limeys screaming in the senate chamber?. As for Canada aren't I am happy only allowing in the funny ones.
 
2012-06-09 02:24:12 AM
I don't know the demographics for fark.com but lets say 30? So according to the IRS life expectancy tables that puts the remaining lifetime at 53.3 years. In today's world all but PR are doubtful but look out 50 years and a lot could change.

PR is whenever they vote for it
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NYC, Long Island, and wasn't there a Cascadia. Any succession or splits don't seem likely.

DC, it makes RI look like Texas and has a smaller population too. I doubt the surrounding suburbs would A) be released from there current state and B) want to join a state where all the tax money would go to support the inner city. Sorry but its too small and it would be broke on day 1, but if demographics improve in DC where it could be viable financially I could see it happening.

Cuba, When communism ends there will be some type of power vacuum and if the country opens up you may see some Cuban's that have lived in the US return home. It's possible if you look out 50 years.

UK (all or some of the 4). In 50 years who knows. After all the UK once offered to merge with France to form one country, sure the Nazis were knocking at the gates at the time but still. Drastic times, drastic measures.

All the overseas protectorates could form 1 or more states as well, because they can't vote then technically some international or UN rules that classify them negatively (colonies or something along those lines). If at some point the US has to allow citizens of the US territories in the Pacific to vote then statehood would allow that. I don't know how small a state government could be but maybe just a few Reps in congress, the islands could still govern themselves otherwise.

Other than that 50 years is along time and a lot of geopolitical change could occur. You could have a bunch of unions (more like the US than the EU) by then; European, Arab, African, Pacific...could also snowball as nations are forced to link up rather than be left alone when one of your old rivals suddenly has a bunch of friends backing them up.
 
2012-06-09 02:38:04 AM

ArkAngel: Probably not.
Not a chance.
Ain't happening.
Are you serious?
What are you smoking?


Exactly, this site has more bullshiat posted on it than cracked..
 
2012-06-09 02:38:09 AM

DeArmondVI: I expected the five to be

1. Puerto Rico
2. Virgin Islands
3. American Samoa
4. Guam
5. Northern Mariana Islands

Alas, the article only brought up Puerto Rico.

It's almost as though, despite nationalistic chest-thumping about being the mostest free country in the universe that seeks to spread liberty to all lands, the US is actually just an old school empire that refuses to either free or embrace colonies acquired by force.


Fairly certain Puerto Rico has been allowed to vote on sovereignty many times and they never choose it. Which kind of paints a different picture than your post doesn't it?
 
2012-06-09 02:40:01 AM

crab66: The UK?


Trololololol.


Trolololo, indeed.
 
2012-06-09 02:41:43 AM

Great Janitor: And why I mention Greenland is that when I was in Denmark 12 years ago I asked my Danish girlfriend about Greenland. She told me that the attitude over there is that they want to secede from Denmark and join either with the U.S. or Canada because they feel closer to those nations than to Denmark. So at least Greenland as apart of Canada or the U.S. is more likely than Cuba.


I gather you took your girlfriend because of her looks.
 
2012-06-09 02:41:54 AM
Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong?
 
2012-06-09 02:46:54 AM
Maybe Puerto Rico and DC.

PR keeps rejecting the idea though. Their status quo is just too good as it is for them.

DC should at least have some representation in Congress. If I were a DC resident and someone told me to write my Congressman I'd go off like an IED on their ass. At the very least we should give them at least a representative in the House.

NYC? No. sorry - the rest of us won't accept it.

Cuba? Nice idea, but it's not happening. Would Cubans even want this? The best way to change Cuba is to lift the dumbass embargo and open trade with them.

The UK? Seriously? They just had a 4 day celebration of the Queen's 60th anniversary as monarch. They would never even consider it. I saw a funny line from an interview about that - some American TV wench asked some British official to explain the fascination to the American public and he started off by saying how the US "foolishly" broke from the UK back in 1776.

None of these are likely to become states within my lifetime and if it ever is seriously discussed there will be much opposition with a lot of focus on how it would affect the electoral college.

Arguments which would be brought up about DC: They elected Marion Barry - more than once. We can't trust them to elect people to Congress.

And Puerto Rico? Aren't they just Mexicans on an island?

The GOP would see either option as strengthening the Democrats. Where that would be true or not, I really don't know but it seems a reasonable conclusion. So forget any GOP support.

We're not a friggin' empire nor should we strive to be one. I'm too young to remember the debates about letting Alaska and Hawaii in but I've put that on my list of things to do. I guess they were territories at the time and Alaska has way too many resources to ever consider letting them become independent while I guess Hawaii made for a great strategic military base half-way across the Pacific.
 
2012-06-09 02:52:32 AM

Asplenium: 6. China

7. The Sun


8. Omicron Persei 8

9. Alderaan

10. Narnia
 
2012-06-09 02:53:43 AM

spawn73: Great Janitor: And why I mention Greenland is that when I was in Denmark 12 years ago I asked my Danish girlfriend about Greenland. She told me that the attitude over there is that they want to secede from Denmark and join either with the U.S. or Canada because they feel closer to those nations than to Denmark. So at least Greenland as apart of Canada or the U.S. is more likely than Cuba.

I gather you took your girlfriend because of her looks.


looks and money. Her father owned a car dealership. She was a racist twit who pretty much looked down upon anyone she could for any reason she could dream up. Even the sex was bad.
 
2012-06-09 02:59:20 AM

Paris1127: bluorangefyre: StopLurkListen: Paris1127: I don't know if Congress would want to let Puerto Rico become a state (its own citizens notwithstanding), as its population is entirely Spanish-speaking (respect are country and all), and having a state in the Caribbean could allow for easier illegal immigration.

Um...

Puerto Ricans are ALREADY American citizens. Statehood won't change that.

The point sailed so far over your head that it nearly collided with an aircraft.

[www.bryan-thorne.com image 557x428]
Here's a map to explain it to him. One of the places on this map would become a magnet for illegal immigration if it became a state. Can you guess which one?


From where? The Dominican Republic? I suppose we might see some, but Cubans already have a shorter route and most of the other Caribbean islanders have no interest in a raft trip to Puerto Rico to get US citizenship. Venezuela? Good luck to them, but I don't see it happening.

Great Janitor: NobleHam: Great Janitor: It is possible for Puerto Rico to become a state. It has happened before that a U.S. territory has become a state. The only problem that I can see is that Puerto Rico is mostly spanish speaking, meaning that either the rest of the U.S. would have to officially switch to a bilingual status like Canada (English and French on all products) or Puerto Rico would have to adapt to being part of a mostly english speaking nation.

The U.S. does not have a national language, so no.

Officially, no. But when part of becoming a citizen is learning english, it's evident that English is the national language.


But that's already not a necessity for immigrants who have been living here long enough and Puerto Ricans are already citizens. Not to mention that they're already part of this nation, so they've already adapted.
 
2012-06-09 03:09:33 AM
50 is such a nice even number, if we add another state we'll also have to get rid of one.
 
2012-06-09 03:16:24 AM

NobleHam: From where? The Dominican Republic? I suppose we might see some, but Cubans already have a shorter route and most of the other Caribbean islanders have no interest in a raft trip to Puerto Rico to get US citizenship. Venezuela? Good luck to them, but I don't see it happening.


I was thinking Haiti.
 
2012-06-09 03:17:14 AM

Hand Banana: 50 is such a nice even number, if we add another state we'll also have to get rid of one.


Texas? Florida? Mississippi? Tough choice...
 
2012-06-09 03:25:20 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Puerto Ricans have voted on statehood a number of times and every time it's come up NFW

/if we want a 51st state, I say we split California


If we split California, we should split the east and the west along the coast ranges. We can call the west Libliberalistan, and the east New Arizona.
 
2012-06-09 03:30:23 AM
Why would the UK even want to become a state? How arrogant and ridiculous to even think such a thing. Might as well say the United States is going to dissolve and become a part of Canada. Author must be trolling, I'm surprised he didn't also list Antarctica or the Moon. Besides we can't even take care of the states we have, we don't need any more.
 
2012-06-09 03:30:34 AM

Paris1127: NobleHam: From where? The Dominican Republic? I suppose we might see some, but Cubans already have a shorter route and most of the other Caribbean islanders have no interest in a raft trip to Puerto Rico to get US citizenship. Venezuela? Good luck to them, but I don't see it happening.

I was thinking Haiti.


If the Haitians could afford boats they'd be in Jamaica by now.
 
2012-06-09 03:40:41 AM
Here's the biggest problem: 48 and 50 stars both form such a nice pattern on the flag. WTF would 51 stars look like? We'd have to add a 52nd state just to we'd have a good star pattern again.
 
2012-06-09 03:46:06 AM

Virtuoso80: Here's the biggest problem: 48 and 50 stars both form such a nice pattern on the flag. WTF would 51 stars look like? We'd have to add a 52nd state just to we'd have a good star pattern again.


Um...forget I said anything. 51 stars actually looks fine: Google
 
2012-06-09 03:48:48 AM

Paris1127: NobleHam: From where? The Dominican Republic? I suppose we might see some, but Cubans already have a shorter route and most of the other Caribbean islanders have no interest in a raft trip to Puerto Rico to get US citizenship. Venezuela? Good luck to them, but I don't see it happening.

I was thinking Haiti.


While we're at it, hasn't Dole fruit already conquered the Dominican a couple of times?
 
2012-06-09 03:53:22 AM

NobleHam: Paris1127: NobleHam: From where? The Dominican Republic? I suppose we might see some, but Cubans already have a shorter route and most of the other Caribbean islanders have no interest in a raft trip to Puerto Rico to get US citizenship. Venezuela? Good luck to them, but I don't see it happening.

I was thinking Haiti.

If the Haitians could afford boats they'd be in Jamaica by now.


They're somehow winding up off Florida. If not boats, what? Aliens?
 
2012-06-09 03:55:43 AM

Great Porn Dragon: About the only one I can REALISTICALLY see is Puerto Rico--and (not mentioned) I could see the Commonwealth of the Marianas being made into a state as well. (Guam and the VI are too small--if memory serves me right, there's a threshold of 50,000 residents that has to be met before statehood can be granted--and American Samoa is an unorganised territory whose residents are the only US nationals who aren't legally US citizens, so it'd have to be incorporated and organised (and American Samoans granted citizenship proper) before that could happen.

...


Hey! We've got 3 main Islands and 110,000 + people.
/quite happy to be a Territory
//would prefer the US kept its' continental nanny state laws to the states
 
2012-06-09 03:56:39 AM
What happened to the unlikely tag? Did it become a state too?
 
2012-06-09 03:58:41 AM
Washington D.C.???? Apparently Keith Veronese failed both "history" and "government" in high school. Jesus. It can't be both a state and the seat of federal power at the same time. Want full representation? Move to the 'burbs. Y'all have had over two centuries to come to grips with this.
 
2012-06-09 04:03:44 AM
51. Possible.
52. Unnecessary.
53. Unnecessary.
54. Extremely Doubtful.
55. LOLwut?
 
2012-06-09 04:03:51 AM

DamnYankees: The very idea that anyone would think anyone in the UK would ever WANT to become part of the US is psychotic. Talk about arrogance.


If anything, it should be Americans humbly saying to Britain, "Take us back - please? Thanks to the Xtian fundies, the rednecks, the tinfoil hat crowd and the plutocratic swine, we've proved ourselves incapable of self-governance and steady advancement as a civilization."
 
2012-06-09 04:24:49 AM

Virtuoso80: Here's the biggest problem: 48 and 50 stars both form such a nice pattern on the flag. WTF would 51 stars look like? We'd have to add a 52nd state just to we'd have a good star pattern again.


Forget that.

Give me the Spirit of 76:

img713.imageshack.us

Time to get busy annexin'.
 
2012-06-09 04:32:58 AM
I'd welcome some new states. You know, just to spice things up. I like the idea of New York City as its own state, we don't have anything like that but lot's of other countries already do. While we're at it, let's split California, and force Puerto Rico to shiat or get off the pot. I don't care about having a nice even number. I asked my grandpa once what it was like before we had 50, he said he never thought about it. The number of states was just the number of states, you learned it in school and could count the stars on the flag. Then you went about your farking business, because times were hard enough back then without worrying about having a round number of states.
 
2012-06-09 04:38:25 AM

rumpelstiltskin: RodneyToady: Wasn't one of the Canadian provinces rumored to be a potential state if Quebec broke away? That's at least more plausible that the UK, or even Cuba.

I can see the US offering to make Saskatchewan, Ontario, and Manitoba into North North Dakota, but the Canucks would probably insist we take Quebec and Nova Scotia in the bargain. The only realistic deal I see would be to take all of Canada, and trade Quebec back to France for some Algerian hookers and the right to call California sparkling wine Champagne.


Quebec is our poison pill. The french frightens and confuses conservatives. The only people with the urge to annex any part of Canada are the same ones that would quickly do the math on what adding 34m Democrats to the country would do.

Besides, we're buying you one recreational property in FL, AZ, and CA at a time. By time you realize it, us, Saudi Arabia, and China will own you anyways.
 
2012-06-09 04:40:47 AM

Virtuoso80: Here's the biggest problem: 48 and 50 stars both form such a nice pattern on the flag. WTF would 51 stars look like? We'd have to add a 52nd state just to we'd have a good star pattern again.


i218.photobucket.com

That said, Jefferson and Socal should break apart.

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The way California does it now, they are under-represented in government. This would fix it.

Winning: How about we split Texas into 2 or 3 states? That state has too much power.


Similarly, breaking apart Texas would increase their influence, but it might also confine some of the idiocy to only certain areas, like the aging know-nothing West Texas demographic that makes it ripe for the patent troll juries would get its influence confined to that state and the RIAA/MPAA would be confined to Socal.
 
2012-06-09 04:44:28 AM
M-O-O-N

That spells Russia, Nick ;)
 
2012-06-09 04:48:46 AM
Make the territories states or cut them lose. No funding, no protection, no voting, nothing. There is no reason to be there if they're not even going to pretend to contribute.
 
2012-06-09 04:52:37 AM

rumpelstiltskin: I can see the US offering to make Saskatchewan, Ontario, and Manitoba into North North Dakota, but the Canucks would probably insist we take Quebec and Nova Scotia in the bargain.


The scenario I heard was that Quebec breaks away and becomes an independent country. Both B.C. and Alberta decide to break away because they're both so distant from the capitol, then joining the U.S. for economic reasons. The Maritime provinces soon join for similar reasons. The rest of English Canada carries on for 4 or 5 decades before having a national referendum on joining the U.S. It fails at first, but they try every few years before it finally passes on the 5th or 6th time. Quebec remains independent because they've become so nationalistic.
 
2012-06-09 05:04:24 AM
God, that was retarded. A single city cannot be a farking state. The government seat of our entire country can't also have separate states rights, because that would give them unfair legislative power. These aren't antique, arbitrary boundaries and structures, it was all planned out on purpose.

With the truly bizarre exception of the nation of Hawaii, another entire sovereign nation like Cuba, Puerto Rico or the United Kingdom is not ever going to become a state. We purchased the land for Alaska from Russia.

You don't see anyone talking about making Panama, Iraq or Afghanistan states. We are a union, not a farking global empire. The founding fathers intentionally chose not to make the same mistakes that France and England made.
 
2012-06-09 05:07:17 AM
First, why the hell did this get greenlit, second, why Geek tab? I thought maybe it was gonna include the moon or something. Getting an early start on our daily Gawker quota?
 
2012-06-09 05:20:20 AM
My wife was born in Puerto Rico, it'd be nice if she were considered American?
 
2012-06-09 05:27:19 AM

DamnYankees: No.


Over in two
 
2012-06-09 05:31:58 AM
I don't know which was more dumb, the article or some of the comments on here.
 
2012-06-09 05:41:27 AM

rdyb: First, why the hell did this get greenlit, second, why Geek tab? I thought maybe it was gonna include the moon or something. Getting an early start on our daily Gawker quota?


They green lots of stupid shiat these days.

Everything is "geek" now. (subby saw it on his 'puter)

Also people are idiots, grass is usually green and the sky used to be blue.
 
2012-06-09 06:00:12 AM
In keeping with Drew Carey, my dick is so big it's considering a bid for statehood.
 
2012-06-09 06:04:09 AM
Explains the Obama "57 states" thing: he saw the future and got confused when his awareness snapped back to the present.
 
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