0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: so why the hatred toward the Christian God?

I hate your god as much as you hate Odin.

and I give childish answer, why the hatred toward Christianity ?

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: what happens when you die?

Why assume that anything happens, other than the obvious oblivion and decay of the corpse?

okay so lets assume you simply die and that is it, the doctor tells you that you have 3 months to live what do you spend the 3 months doing

Waldo Pepper: 0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: oh wait I'm sorry I really would like to know what you believe in

I will believe in what can be shown to be real, until something better comes along.
All of my beliefs are provisional.

As for things I don't believe in - the most pertinent is the Bronze-Age tribal god of the ancient Hebrews and then the Iron Age belief that Jesus was his son (and himself) who had to be sacrificed (for a couple of days) to himself to appease himself of his anger towards his own creation who were damned because a woman, made from a rib of a man, ate the wrong piece of forbidden magical fruit.

what happens when you die?

why are you so scared to state what you believe. It must be sad to only have faith in what you believe "until something better comes along." I am sorry for your lack of a strong faith in your beliefs

Waldo Pepper: why are you so scared to state what you believe. It must be sad to only have faith in what you believe "until something better comes along." I am sorry for your lack of a strong faith in your beliefs

It isn't logical to hold beliefs that go against the available evidence.
It is, in fact, a strength to be able to change them when the evidence warrants.

The way you are arguing, it seems you would respect a person raised as a Muslim to remain a Muslim, rather than to convert to Christianity. That is, if you are being consistent. Which you seldom are.

Waldo Pepper: okay so lets assume you simply die and that is it, the doctor tells you that you have 3 months to live what do you spend the 3 months doing

Why assume that I would want to do anything different? My life is amazing enough already.

Waldo Pepper: and I give childish answer, why the hatred toward Christianity ?

Because it is wrong and can be dangerous if carried to excess.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: and I give childish answer, why the hatred toward Christianity ?

Because it is wrong and can be dangerous if carried to excess.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: and I give childish answer, why the hatred toward Christianity ?

Because it is wrong and can be dangerous if carried to excess.

still doesn't explain the hatred, most anything can be dangerous if carried to excess

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: okay so lets assume you simply die and that is it, the doctor tells you that you have 3 months to live what do you spend the 3 months doing

Why assume that I would want to do anything different? My life is amazing enough already.

not sure how amazing your life can be if you spend hours on fark with an illogical, childish, inconsistent person like me discussing something you absolutely don't believe in.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: why are you so scared to state what you believe. It must be sad to only have faith in what you believe "until something better comes along." I am sorry for your lack of a strong faith in your beliefs

It isn't logical to hold beliefs that go against the available evidence.
It is, in fact, a strength to be able to change them when the evidence warrants.

The way you are arguing, it seems you would respect a person raised as a Muslim to remain a Muslim, rather than to convert to Christianity. That is, if you are being consistent. Which you seldom are.

I absolutely respect a Muslim who's faith is solid in his/her belief does not mean I wouldn't hope they would convert at some point. A Muslim solid in their belief isn't a Muslim "until something better comes along". Heck I respect an atheist who holds true to their belief and doesn't waiver. This doesn't mean I agree with their belief but I do respect a person who is committed to their faith, beliefs.

See even though I might not be able to explain in an mature, consistent and logical manner what I believe or why I think God/Christ/Hold Spirit exist. I do know that God and his word are the most accurate and consistent deity/thing on the planet.

Where science can't decide if eggs are good for us or bad for us, if we are suffering from global warming or still in an ice age, or even how the universe was create. God and his Word never waiver year in and year out.

Understand that regardless of what you might think, the world is much more dangerous place without God and his people who believe in Him then it would be in a world filled with those who rely solely on man to guide them.

Waldo Pepper: Understand that regardless of what you might think, the world is much more dangerous place without God and his people who believe in Him then it would be in a world filled with those who rely solely on man to guide them.

So why is it that my city (Hong Kong), which has a minuscule number of Christians, is far, far, safer than any large city in your Bible Belt.
And the same goes for other cities in the Far East. In fact, the only really dangerous city around here is Manila - which just happens to be the only one with a shiatload of Christians.
Your hypothesis has failed. Try another.

Waldo Pepper: not sure how amazing your life can be if you spend hours on fark with an illogical, childish, inconsistent person like me discussing something you absolutely don't believe in.

Because you aren't the only one reading this.
I know people that have given up their superstitions because of Fark religion threads. And I am glad that I may have contributed to saving a life from ignorance and fear.
And it's raining like a motherfarker outside.

Waldo Pepper: still doesn't explain the hatred, most anything can be dangerous if carried to excess

I've seen this danger impact my family. Real lives and relationships have been ruined because of Christian nonsense.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: still doesn't explain the hatred, most anything can be dangerous if carried to excess

I've seen this danger impact my family. Real lives and relationships have been ruined because of Christian nonsense.

and real lives and relationships have been saved by Christian sense.

folks without Christ this would be a muslim controlled world, the freedoms you enjoy would be non existent and bacon would be outlawed.

really do you want to live in a world without bacon

Waldo Pepper: folks without Christ this would be a muslim controlled world, the freedoms you enjoy would be non existent and bacon would be outlawed.

Yeah...like a billion plus Chinese wouldn't put a stop to that nonsense.
Never come between a Chinaman and his pork. Prayers to imaginary gods (Muslim, Christian, whatever) won't help.

Waldo Pepper: Indubitably: Waldo Pepper: sorry to hear about your mom, sure you can get married in some states now. I've always been on the side of civil unions, i do have an issue with the marriage part but i'm sure that is more from a traditional stand point than a religious one.

this one might surprise you but i sort of want to see "in God we trust" removed from our money. I'm sure God is thrilled with having his name on bills begin used to buy porn, drugs, crooked deals. seems wrong

prayer being led by the schools, no. students being able to pray or even lead a prayer at graduation sure it is there right, if a muslim kid wants to lead a muslim prayer his/her right.

abortion i hate, I feel it is murder (extreme case issues aside). in this day and age with th e easy access to birth control no excuse for the number of abortions being done. should they be outlawed, nah back alley abortions are worse. I would rather see the need for abortions going down. i do hate hearing "woman's right to choose", if that is my baby I feel I should have a say (hard one to work out).

You need to sterilize yoursell, now, mans...

why? You don't agree with me so I should be sterilized. what did i say in this section that is so horrible?

Typical nonsense: did you actually read what I wrote?

I said "sterilize yoursell."

What is your sell, Mr. Pepper?

Typical misreading.

*sigh*

;)

Indubitably: Waldo Pepper: Indubitably: Waldo Pepper: sorry to hear about your mom, sure you can get married in some states now. I've always been on the side of civil unions, i do have an issue with the marriage part but i'm sure that is more from a traditional stand point than a religious one.

this one might surprise you but i sort of want to see "in God we trust" removed from our money. I'm sure God is thrilled with having his name on bills begin used to buy porn, drugs, crooked deals. seems wrong

prayer being led by the schools, no. students being able to pray or even lead a prayer at graduation sure it is there right, if a muslim kid wants to lead a muslim prayer his/her right.

abortion i hate, I feel it is murder (extreme case issues aside). in this day and age with th e easy access to birth control no excuse for the number of abortions being done. should they be outlawed, nah back alley abortions are worse. I would rather see the need for abortions going down. i do hate hearing "woman's right to choose", if that is my baby I feel I should have a say (hard one to work out).

You need to sterilize yoursell, now, mans...

why? You don't agree with me so I should be sterilized. what did i say in this section that is so horrible?

Typical nonsense: did you actually read what I wrote?

I said "sterilize yoursell."

What is your sell, Mr. Pepper?

Typical misreading.

*sigh*

;)

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: folks without Christ this would be a muslim controlled world, the freedoms you enjoy would be non existent and bacon would be outlawed.

Yeah...like a billion plus Chinese wouldn't put a stop to that nonsense.
Never come between a Chinaman and his pork. Prayers to imaginary gods (Muslim, Christian, whatever) won't help.

sorry for the misread, bifocals are a fark somedays.

just curious what do atheist parents do when their child is sick and the doctor comes up and says "sorry there is nothing else we can do, he/she is gonna die."

this is an honest question, pretty much parents that believe in God (any religion) at this point put their faith in God and pray. The results a lot if not most of the time are still the same and yet they had another option where if you don't believe at this point do you just give up?

truly not trying to be snarky here.

also what happens at funerals of atheist, what do people say.

I mean at most funerals of anyone of any religious faith there is always "well at least they are in a better place, you they will be looking down at you from heaven or something like that, heck even new age folks say something kind, their spirit is free or something.

but those who believe once you die you simply are gone.

honestly just trying to understand.

Waldo Pepper: just curious what do atheist parents do when their child is sick and the doctor comes up and says "sorry there is nothing else we can do, he/she is gonna die."

You feel like crap and cry.
And you never get over it, although it does get better.
That's life. And death.

Waldo Pepper: also what happens at funerals of atheist, what do people say.

You celebrate their life. And commiserate with your relatives.
And you realize that your turn will come soon enough and that you should make the most of what time you have left.
What I don't understand is how miserable Christians look at funerals. I mean, for old people. I can understand when you lose a child and will not be seeing them again for the rest of your life. But old people? Why the sadness? Aren't they going to a better place? But you all look so miserable! And goddamn, do my old (87 year old) fundamentalist aunt and uncle cling to life! Why?

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: just curious what do atheist parents do when their child is sick and the doctor comes up and says "sorry there is nothing else we can do, he/she is gonna die."

You feel like crap and cry.
And you never get over it, although it does get better.
That's life. And death.

it must really suck to have no hope and to feel totally powerless at that point. Now if you have Christian friends and they tell you that they will pray for you and your child does it make you feel better or do you hate them for it. I know that even when I think someone's religion is totally whacked tells me they will pray or whatever for me, I appreciate the kindness or love they are showing me.

Waldo Pepper: also what happens at funerals of atheist, what do people say.

You celebrate their life. And commiserate with your relatives.
And you realize that your turn will come soon enough and that you should make the most of what time you have left.
What I don't understand is how miserable Christians look at funerals. I mean, for old people. I can understand when you lose a child and will not be seeing them again for the rest of your life. But old people? Why the sadness? Aren't they going to a better place? But you all look so miserable! And goddamn, do my old (87 year old) fundamentalist aunt and uncle cling to life! Why?

there is always a time to grieve for the loss and it is for our loss of not having them here.
I do agree with the new orleans style for a Christian a funeral should be a going home party. Then afterwards the family and friends grieve for "their" loss.

I can understand from the non-believer's stand when an old person dies, "oh they had a good long life, leaves behind a great family" and so on and to feel that was it for them nothing afterwards. but dang when a young child is lost and to think that is it they are gone must be at times a bit rough