Waldo Pepper: but I didn't say it was an automatic pass, it is left up to God. if you believe in Christ and accept his salvation you are in automatically (yes i'm sure it is possible to later reject the gift before you die)
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I have no idea what you are referring to there.
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to keep on the Super Bowl theme, would you go to the super bowl without a ticket hoping someone will come up to you and give you a free one or would you buy one ahead of time to ensure your seat (unless it is held in dallas)
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{Irrelevant}
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so no I didn't say or at least mean to say anyone who has not heard gets in
`
Again, what does this have to do with my post?
`
As to the superbowl that you are using, it appears to be entirely imaginary. No field. No teams.
I look at your hand and it is empty.

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: but I didn't say it was an automatic pass, it is left up to God. if you believe in Christ and accept his salvation you are in automatically (yes i'm sure it is possible to later reject the gift before you die)
`
I have no idea what you are referring to there.
`
to keep on the Super Bowl theme, would you go to the super bowl without a ticket hoping someone will come up to you and give you a free one or would you buy one ahead of time to ensure your seat (unless it is held in dallas)
`
{Irrelevant}
`
so no I didn't say or at least mean to say anyone who has not heard gets in
`
Again, what does this have to do with my post?
`
As to the superbowl that you are using, it appears to be entirely imaginary. No field. No teams.
I look at your hand and it is empty.

I'm not sure post/responses are flowing in order.

saying you I'm offering you and empty hand really is joke. I stated I offered you a ticket. not since it appears you don't believe that anything I say will be countered by such comments as "I don't see a house" or "your Super Bowl is imaginary" so why continue.

as far as "my religion" I stated religions are man made, I follow God and the teaching of Christ. As i am not a scholar of all the religions of the world there very well maybe some that are teaching the same thing I don't know.

All I know if what I believe, i will share if asked or if I feel the need, I will defend my faith against anyone who tries to deny me my right to practice said faith. I will also defend others the right to practice what they believe as long as they are not hurting anyone (please don't ask me to explain that part we all know what I mean). I know my heart and mind are in agreement with my belief and at no time do I ever doubt the existence of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.

dang i can't type right

I think so to. The posts are not threading right.
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Boatmech: I think so to. The posts are not threading right.
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Boatmech: I think so to. The posts are not threading right.
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so what do you believe

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: I think so to. The posts are not threading right.
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so what do you believe

Sorry, I think I found the problem with the post/reply.
Had another browser set on this thread.
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I believe I have fixed the problem - give me a bit to read the last post

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: but I didn't say it was an automatic pass, it is left up to God. if you believe in Christ and accept his salvation you are in automatically (yes i'm sure it is possible to later reject the gift before you die)
`
I have no idea what you are referring to there.
`
to keep on the Super Bowl theme, would you go to the super bowl without a ticket hoping someone will come up to you and give you a free one or would you buy one ahead of time to ensure your seat (unless it is held in dallas)
`
{Irrelevant}
`
so no I didn't say or at least mean to say anyone who has not heard gets in
`
Again, what does this have to do with my post?
`
As to the superbowl that you are using, it appears to be entirely imaginary. No field. No teams.
I look at your hand and it is empty.

I'm not sure post/responses are flowing in order.
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From here down was your intended post?
`

saying you I'm offering you and empty hand really is joke. I stated I offered you a ticket. not since it appears you don't believe that anything I say will be countered by such comments as "I don't see a house" or "your Super Bowl is imaginary" so why continue.

as far as "my religion" I stated religions are man made, I follow God and the teaching of Christ. As i am not a scholar of all the religions of the world there very well maybe some that are teaching the same thing I don't know.

All I know if what I believe, i will share if asked or if I feel the need, I will defend my faith against anyone who tries to deny me my right to practice said faith. I will also defend others the right to practice what they believe as long as they are not hurting anyone (please don't ask me to explain that part we all know what I mean). I know my heart and mind are in agreement with my belief and at no time do I ever doubt the existence of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.

i guess

Waldo Pepper: i guess

Fine. Hang on one more time.

Waldo Pepper:

From here down was your intended post?
`
saying you I'm offering you and empty hand really is
joke. I stated I offered you a ticket. not since it
appears you don't believe that anything I say will be
countered by such comments as "I don't see a house"
or "your Super Bowl is imaginary" so why continue.
as far as "my religion" I stated religions are man
made, I follow God and the teaching of Christ. As i am
not a scholar of all the religions of the world there
very well maybe some that are teaching the same
thing I don't know.
All I know if what I believe, i will share if asked or if I feel the need, I will defend my faith against anyone
who tries to deny me my right to practice said faith. I will also defend others the right to practice what they
believe as long as they are not hurting anyone
(please don't ask me to explain that part we all know
what I mean). I know my heart and mind are in
agreement with my belief and at no time do I ever
doubt the existence of God, Christ and the Holy
Spirit.
`
The empty hand is a fact. You say you have this thing, you show my only your real hand, this 'ticket' is not there.
You are a man who has made his own Religion in the image YOU choose to view it. In your head you have a god.
In your hand you have nothing.
Please show me this ticket.

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:

From here down was your intended post?
`
saying you I'm offering you and empty hand really is
joke. I stated I offered you a ticket. not since it
appears you don't believe that anything I say will be
countered by such comments as "I don't see a house"
or "your Super Bowl is imaginary" so why continue.
as far as "my religion" I stated religions are man
made, I follow God and the teaching of Christ. As i am
not a scholar of all the religions of the world there
very well maybe some that are teaching the same
thing I don't know.
All I know if what I believe, i will share if asked or if I feel the need, I will defend my faith against anyone
who tries to deny me my right to practice said faith. I will also defend others the right to practice what they
believe as long as they are not hurting anyone
(please don't ask me to explain that part we all know
what I mean). I know my heart and mind are in
agreement with my belief and at no time do I ever
doubt the existence of God, Christ and the Holy
Spirit.
`
The empty hand is a fact. You say you have this thing, you show my only your real hand, this 'ticket' is not there.
You are a man who has made his own Religion in the image YOU choose to view it. In your head you have a god.
In your hand you have nothing.
Please show me this ticket.

prove my God doesn't exist first.

but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think you would be willing to do it.

Waldo Pepper: so no I didn't say or at least mean to say anyone who has not heard gets in

Of course you didn't. Where did I imply that you did?
What you are saying is extremely simple and understandable. It's just illogical.

how can you state the empty hand is a fact, are you able to prove with an absolute 100% facts that God does not exist?

Waldo Pepper: no it is a brilliant design that we screwed up. I thought I was clear on that one. of course feel free to continue picking on little parts of everything I write, it truly serves no purpose but if it makes you happy please feel free to continue

But all we can see is your "screwed up system". There is not the slightest evidence that there was ever a perfect system.
So you are basing your belief on creation on this perfect system for which there is no evidence, and then inventing the story about us screwing it up.

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:


`
The empty hand is a fact. You say you have this thing, you show my only your real hand, this 'ticket' is not there.
You are a man who has made his own Religion in the image YOU choose to view it. In your head you have a god.
In your hand you have nothing.
Please show me this ticket.

prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
Your god is only one claim among multitudes.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think you would be willing to do it.
`
Ok, go for it.

Waldo Pepper: how can you state the empty hand is a fact, are you able to prove with an absolute 100% facts that God does not exist?

So are you saying that you believe in every god and goddess that mankind has invented until the time that they are proven 100& to not exist?
You are if you want to be consistent.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: no it is a brilliant design that we screwed up. I thought I was clear on that one. of course feel free to continue picking on little parts of everything I write, it truly serves no purpose but if it makes you happy please feel free to continue

But all we can see is your "screwed up system". There is not the slightest evidence that there was ever a perfect system.
So you are basing your belief on creation on this perfect system for which there is no evidence, and then inventing the story about us screwing it up.

oh I don't know about that, the amazon rainforest is a pretty close. what do you mean no slightest evidence, even if one doesn't believe in the bible I think it would at least be taken as a slight evidence of a perfect world before sin lol

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: how can you state the empty hand is a fact, are you able to prove with an absolute 100% facts that God does not exist?

So are you saying that you believe in every god and goddess that mankind has invented until the time that they are proven 100& to not exist?
You are if you want to be consistent.

Waldo Pepper: oh I don't know about that, the amazon rainforest is a pretty close.

Yes, if you live in Brazil.
What do you mean..pretty close to perfect? How in the world do you define perfection?

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:


`
The empty hand is a fact. You say you have this thing, you show my only your real hand, this 'ticket' is not there.
You are a man who has made his own Religion in the image YOU choose to view it. In your head you have a god.
In your hand you have nothing.
Please show me this ticket.

prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
Your god is only one claim among multitudes.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think you would be willing to do it.
`
Ok, go for it.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: oh I don't know about that, the amazon rainforest is a pretty close.

Yes, if you live in Brazil.
What do you mean..pretty close to perfect? How in the world do you define perfection?

God

Boatmech: 0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: how can you state the empty hand is a fact, are you able to prove with an absolute 100% facts that God does not exist?

So are you saying that you believe in every god and goddess that mankind has invented until the time that they are proven 100& to not exist?
You are if you want to be consistent.
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i asked you to prove God is does not exist, you and I both know which God is the subject of the conversation

Waldo Pepper: God

How do you know that Kutkh is perfect? What has led you to believe this?
Or wait..are you talking about Unkulunkulu?

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
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prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think you would be willing to do it.

`
Prove your god.

Waldo Pepper: i asked you to prove God is does not exist, you and I both know which God is the subject of the conversation

No, you are assuming that it is your local god.
We are not.

really why waste time with that type of comment. You know the God I am referring to, i rather expect better of you that that.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: i asked you to prove God is does not exist, you and I both know which God is the subject of the conversation

No, you are assuming that it is your local god.
We are not.

in the context of this conversation I do believe we are or must I define God each time for you.

Waldo Pepper: in the context of this conversation I do believe we are or must I define God each time for you.

You are saying that the evidence of the perfect creation points to your god.
It is therefore perfectly logical for me to point out that your local god is not the only god and therefore your evidence, if that is what it is, could point to any of a thousand creator gods. And is therefore not evidence for your god.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: in the context of this conversation I do believe we are or must I define God each time for you.

You are saying that the evidence of the perfect creation points to your god.
It is therefore perfectly logical for me to point out that your local god is not the only god and therefore your evidence, if that is what it is, could point to any of a thousand creator gods. And is therefore not evidence for your god.

yet knowing that I'm a Christian it would be safe to assume when i say God you know to who I am talking.

so really there is no confusion and if you are confused at this point. then really i would do better to go to sleep then waste my time playing "what god are you referring to" after every comment.

gentlemen it hardly matters to me if you choose not to believe in God, that is between you and him. it appears it is impossible for anyone to prove me wrong in my faith I'm not sure what pleasure this is bringing anyone by having this discussion. it has degraded into the typical "prove your God exist or is the only god"

I offered a way of proving it ,but it appears no one is willing to take the chance to prove they are right and I am wrong

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

wow must be nice to just cross out my "prove my God doesn't exist first" are you unable?

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

you can't say I didn't offer you a way to prove me wrong. LOL

so what do you believe

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

you can't say I didn't offer you a way to prove me wrong. LOL

so what do you believe

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

you can't say I didn't offer you a way to prove me wrong. LOL

so what do you believe

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

you can't say I didn't offer you a way to prove me wrong. LOL

so what do you believe

`
childish troll

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

you can't say I didn't offer you a way to prove me wrong. LOL

so what do you believe

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

so you are saying you can't prove my God doesn't exist and yet you are saying the hand is empty based on fact?

okay and feel free to choose whatever method you desire to do it, simply put kill yourself and at that moment i guarantee you that you will realize God exist. no yes I now you won't be able to come back and say "dang it you were right all along" well I'm willing to for go the accolades of hearing that I'm right if you willing to do the test.

(please take that for the fun that is meant behind it)

Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

Unwilling or unable to do what you said?

you can't say I didn't offer you a way to prove me wrong. LOL

so what do you believe

Waldo Pepper: Boatme ...

excuse me?

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper:
`
prove my God doesn't exist first.
`
but I can prove my God exist but I don't' think
you would be willing to do it.
`
Prove your god.

wow must be nice to just cross out my "prove my God doesn't exist first" are you unable?

still waiting for your proof that God doesn't exist.

Waldo Pepper: still waiting for your proof that God doesn't exist.

You supposedly have the full power of your Holy Spirit to back you up, and yet your arguments are ridiculously illogical and childish.
Why don't you ask this spirit thing to help you?

You say I am constantly picking on your arguments and shouldn't do that. But here's a tip. If people are constantly picking on your logic, the best thing is to start arguing logically, rather than trying to shut down the ones who point out the flaws in your arguments.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: still waiting for your proof that God doesn't exist.

You supposedly have the full power of your Holy Spirit to back you up, and yet your arguments are ridiculously illogical and childish.
Why don't you ask this spirit thing to help you?

You say I am constantly picking on your arguments and shouldn't do that. But here's a tip. If people are constantly picking on your logic, the best thing is to start arguing logically, rather than trying to shut down the ones who point out the flaws in your arguments.

well maybe like Moses I need an Aaron to speak for me. point out what is childish in my belief and do so with proof that I am wrong.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: still waiting for your proof that God doesn't exist.

still waiting

Waldo Pepper: well maybe like Moses I need an Aaron to speak for me. point out what is childish in my belief and do so with proof that I am wrong.

I've already done that and you complained that I was doing it.

refresh me, it has been a long tread.

Waldo Pepper: refresh me, it has been a long tread.

oh wait I'm sorry I really would like to know what you believe in

I don't care about what you find childish in my explanations I've never claimed to be great at explaining things

well gentleman I thank you for allowing me to entertain you, sorry to disappoint you all with my illogical and childish explanations on my beliefs. but if you laughed or felt bigger because of it than cool if that helps you feel better.

Waldo Pepper: oh wait I'm sorry I really would like to know what you believe in

I will believe in what can be shown to be real, until something better comes along.
All of my beliefs are provisional.

As for things I don't believe in - the most pertinent is the Bronze-Age tribal god of the ancient Hebrews and then the Iron Age belief that Jesus was his son (and himself) who had to be sacrificed (for a couple of days) to himself to appease himself of his anger towards his own creation who were damned because a woman, made from a rib of a man, ate the wrong piece of forbidden magical fruit.

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: oh wait I'm sorry I really would like to know what you believe in

I will believe in what can be shown to be real, until something better comes along.
All of my beliefs are provisional.

As for things I don't believe in - the most pertinent is the Bronze-Age tribal god of the ancient Hebrews and then the Iron Age belief that Jesus was his son (and himself) who had to be sacrificed (for a couple of days) to himself to appease himself of his anger towards his own creation who were damned because a woman, made from a rib of a man, ate the wrong piece of forbidden magical fruit.

so why the hatred toward the Christian God?

0Icky0: Waldo Pepper: oh wait I'm sorry I really would like to know what you believe in

I will believe in what can be shown to be real, until something better comes along.
All of my beliefs are provisional.

As for things I don't believe in - the most pertinent is the Bronze-Age tribal god of the ancient Hebrews and then the Iron Age belief that Jesus was his son (and himself) who had to be sacrificed (for a couple of days) to himself to appease himself of his anger towards his own creation who were damned because a woman, made from a rib of a man, ate the wrong piece of forbidden magical fruit.

what happens when you die?

Waldo Pepper: so why the hatred toward the Christian God?

I hate your god as much as you hate Odin.

Waldo Pepper: what happens when you die?

Why assume that anything happens, other than the obvious oblivion and decay of the corpse?