liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: Waldo Pepper: no different that the one night stand the chick gets knocked up and she decides to have the baby and the man has to pay child support for a kid he doesn't want.

Holy shiat.

Seriously? Men shouldn't have to pay child support? (Provided of course, they "didn't want" the kid?) You're seriously advocating that? I thought the poster above was being harsh when he said don't procreate, but I had no idea until just now how morally abhorrent you are.

did I say men shouldn't pay child support? dang nothing like making an issue out of nothing. i simply said it is unfair the a man has to pay child support if he doesn't want the kid but the has no say if the woman doesn't want to have the kid and he does. how is that abhorrent? I also said in the "one night stand context"

If you don't know how that's abhorrent, i honestly don't know what to say to you. You're even pro-life. Which means if a man and a woman have a one-night stand and the woman gets pregnant you believe it is wrong and should be illegal for her to have an abortion and that it is unfair for the man to pay child-support. Do I have that right?

only from a rights stand point yes you have it wrong. why should a woman have more rights than a man? if all things are equal why does the man have no choice? that is all i'm saying.

Things are not equal between men and women involving children. Women have more rights because they are the one stuck with the kid most of the time and they birth the child. Natural law and all.

in the 1800's those duties were more evenly divided before the industrial revolution.

Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: If you think christians advocating against gay marriage has nothing to do with hate against a group then I know quite a few folk who would like to have a word with you. Obama doesn't even matter. Denying civil rights to a group whose sexual orientation is different is still denying civil rights. It isn't easier to say standing up against gay rights is easier since people have been denying it for a very long time. I have an aunt who is gay and over 60 years old and struggled with coming out for decades specifically because she knew people would absolutely destroy her self-esteem for not being what they think is normal.

sorry for your aunts struggles. it is possible to love someone and not agree with what they are doing doesn't make it hate. the gay issue is tough for Christians anything we say seems harsh,mean or evil.

I thought I was quite clear on what i said if they are pure in heart in working against it from a purely religious standpoint I can't argue. that is their belief. but most who fight against issues in the public forum have other agendas for it.

I would appreciate your comment more if you didn't say the exact thing that many of us feel. You say if they are doing it purely of religion you won't argue it is bad, but you feel most are doing it for agendas. Reverse that statement at yourself. You are basically washing your hands of it and still saying homosexuals are doing it purely for agendas and I have to wonder if you aren't doing the same.

Damn you fark. All the typing and it didn't even post it.

Waldo Pepper: the gay issue is tough for Christians anything we say seems harsh,mean or evil.

When speaking against homosexuality, why not use the same words Jesus used?

God made gay animals so God is obviously gay. Or at least Bi.

liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: If you think christians advocating against gay marriage has nothing to do with hate against a group then I know quite a few folk who would like to have a word with you. Obama doesn't even matter. Denying civil rights to a group whose sexual orientation is different is still denying civil rights. It isn't easier to say standing up against gay rights is easier since people have been denying it for a very long time. I have an aunt who is gay and over 60 years old and struggled with coming out for decades specifically because she knew people would absolutely destroy her self-esteem for not being what they think is normal.

sorry for your aunts struggles. it is possible to love someone and not agree with what they are doing doesn't make it hate. the gay issue is tough for Christians anything we say seems harsh,mean or evil.

I thought I was quite clear on what i said if they are pure in heart in working against it from a purely religious standpoint I can't argue. that is their belief. but most who fight against issues in the public forum have other agendas for it.

I would appreciate your comment more if you didn't say the exact thing that many of us feel. You say if they are doing it purely of religion you won't argue it is bad, but you feel most are doing it for agendas. Reverse that statement at yourself. You are basically washing your hands of it and still saying homosexuals are doing it purely for agendas and I have to wonder if you aren't doing the same.

sorry if it seems i'm washing my hands. I guess what I'm trying to say is the same thing Bill Mahr (sic?) said about those who flew into the world trade center, one has to admire their dedication to their beliefs. do I agree with what they did, Fark no. but dang that is some dedication.

The problem is discussing this with folks who think the Bible is a fairy tale. I believe it is 100% accurate, others don't.

I think there is a lot of agendas trying to be forced on American's from all sides. Would I rather have my kid go to Bob Jones Uni or Berkley, I would chose Berkley as I would rather have a kid who is well round then legalistic.

I didn't come in here to fight about gays, dang I simply said here we go again on with an anti Christian tread when the story is simply about a loon playing music too loud.

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: the gay issue is tough for Christians anything we say seems harsh,mean or evil.

When speaking against homosexuality, why not use the same words Jesus used?

other than a reply for "proof" have I quote the Bible here at all? I was always taught to be careful of those who quote the Bible to argue subjects it is not to be used that way.

Jesus didn't speak a lot against things, he left that up to his disciples

Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: the gay issue is tough for Christians anything we say seems harsh,mean or evil.

When speaking against homosexuality, why not use the same words Jesus used?

since you asked


. And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?'" (Matt. 19:4.)

The Bible is 100% accurate?

liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Benjamin Orr: The Bible is 100% accurate?

too tired to take that bait

Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Liar. My quote was the Weeners you made in this thread. Your very first statement had nothing to do with the article. Don't accuse me of something you never even tried to start with.

I do love the fark censor. Weeners seem to pop up everytime I don't want them too. Shut up.

liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Liar. My quote was the Weeners you made in this thread. Your very first statement had nothing to do with the article. Don't accuse me of something you never even tried to start with.

what weeners? seriously I thought I would post my thought have a few hits and go to bed lol.

really you have to sink to calling me a liar.

Have I called anyone a name in here?

Waldo Pepper:
The problem is discussing this with folks who think the Bible is a fairy tale. I believe it is 100% accurate, others don't.


Who is baiting who here?

Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Liar. My quote was the Weeners you made in this thread. Your very first statement had nothing to do with the article. Don't accuse me of something you never even tried to start with.

what weeners? seriously I thought I would post my thought have a few hits and go to bed lol.

really you have to sink to calling me a liar.

Have I called anyone a name in here?

No.
You have been polite, well spoken and amazingly patient.

Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Liar. My quote was the Weeners you made in this thread. Your very first statement had nothing to do with the article. Don't accuse me of something you never even tried to start with.

what weeners? seriously I thought I would post my thought have a few hits and go to bed lol.

really you have to sink to calling me a liar.

Have I called anyone a name in here?

Not familiar with fark censor?

Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Liar. My quote was the Weeners you made in this thread. Your very first statement had nothing to do with the article. Don't accuse me of something you never even tried to start with.

what weeners? seriously I thought I would post my thought have a few hits and go to bed lol.

really you have to sink to calling me a liar.

Have I called anyone a name in here?

No.
You have been polite, well spoken and amazingly patient.

awe geez thank you unless your being snarky this is after still Fark LOL and i doubt i've been well spoken unless one enjoys my ramblings

liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

No offense. But if you don't want an anti-christian thread, don't invite it by telling everyone it will be an anti-christian thread. Feel free to say it happens all the time though when you actually ask why christianity makes someone's life worse.

None taken. but dang i thought more time would be spent on the article lol

Liar. My quote was the Weeners you made in this thread. Your very first statement had nothing to do with the article. Don't accuse me of something you never even tried to start with.

what weeners? seriously I thought I would post my thought have a few hits and go to bed lol.

really you have to sink to calling me a liar.

Have I called anyone a name in here?

Not familiar with fark censor?

i assume it means you typed a word not allowed on fark. dang i miss the pre money making days of fark when everything was allowed

Considering I didn't use a curse word I'm curious as to what it blocked. Ni*bong is next I'm sure. ;)

Waldo Pepper: I was always taught to be careful of those who quote the Bible to argue subjects it is not to be used that way.

Right. Because if there's one book that should never be used to illustrate what god desires of his followers, it's the Bible...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16

Are you really, honestly, truly, saying that 1, the Bible should not be quoted or used to instruct others, and 2, that Paul, writing under inspiration from God, was wrong when he wrote that the Bible should be quoted and used to instruct others?

Well folks it has been fun and I appreciate the discussion but I have to get to bed, have a ladies softball game to shoot at 7:30 am and ugh it's almost 2:30.

goodnight to all and God bless :-)

This isn't applicable anymore?

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: I was always taught to be careful of those who quote the Bible to argue subjects it is not to be used that way.

Right. Because if there's one book that should never be used to illustrate what god desires of his followers, it's the Bible...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16

Are you really, honestly, truly, saying that 1, the Bible should not be quoted or used to instruct others, and 2, that Paul, writing under inspiration from God, was wrong when he wrote that the Bible should be quoted and used to instruct others?

ugh no i just know when it is too easy to quote the Bible to try and prove one's points out and coming across as holier than thou, or in the classic "oh yea well God says this" and totally not what is meant. Much like Satan on the mountaintop trying to tempt God.

liquidsiphon: [coasm.files.wordpress.com image 604x523]This isn't applicable anymore?

I prefer from living on this planet for many years and seeing how the word of God has proven to be accurate over and over again and how it wall works out. I've had nothing else in my life be as accurate as the word of God.

Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: [coasm.files.wordpress.com image 604x523]This isn't applicable anymore?

I prefer from living on this planet for many years and seeing how the word of God has proven to be accurate over and over again and how it wall works out. I've had nothing else in my life be as accurate as the word of God.

2+2 works pretty well.

Waldo Pepper: ugh no i just know when it is too easy to quote the Bible to try and prove one's points out and coming across as holier than thou, or in the classic "oh yea well God says this" and totally not what is meant. Much like Satan on the mountaintop trying to tempt God.

There's a subtle difference between "but the bible says so everything you believe is wrong", and replying with a quote to someone who specifically requested to hear said quote.

Waldo Pepper: Jesus didn't speak a lot against things, he left that up to his disciples

Yeah, except for that whole "turn the other cheek" thing, where he specifically instructed his followers NOT to lash out or fight back against others...

liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: [coasm.files.wordpress.com image 604x523]This isn't applicable anymore?

I prefer from living on this planet for many years and seeing how the word of God has proven to be accurate over and over again and how it wall works out. I've had nothing else in my life be as accurate as the word of God.

2+2 works pretty well.

Rare blood disease, no cure, almost died 3 times in a 6 week period, transfusions not taking. I've always been leery of folks who "hear God talk", I hear God speak while lying in the hospital bed with tubes in both arms going to my heart, "you will be okay, My peace is with you."

been in remission 9 years no issues, got rear ended 3 weeks ago by a f350 super duty who's driver fell asleep while he was doing 85mph, totaled my little car, i walk away not even needing the hospital, air bags didn't deploy.

I will choose God over the fsm all the time.

Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: [coasm.files.wordpress.com image 604x523]This isn't applicable anymore?

I prefer from living on this planet for many years and seeing how the word of God has proven to be accurate over and over again and how it wall works out. I've had nothing else in my life be as accurate as the word of God.

2+2 works pretty well.

Rare blood disease, no cure, almost died 3 times in a 6 week period, transfusions not taking. I've always been leery of folks who "hear God talk", I hear God speak while lying in the hospital bed with tubes in both arms going to my heart, "you will be okay, My peace is with you."

been in remission 9 years no issues, got rear ended 3 weeks ago by a f350 super duty who's driver fell asleep while he was doing 85mph, totaled my little car, i walk away not even needing the hospital, air bags didn't deploy.

I will choose God over the fsm all the time.

Uhh.. What are you trying to say here? I know someone who is alive and required chemotherapy twice and it worked both times (thank you science) or should I credit that to God. I'm not sure what your point is here. shiat happens maybe?

Seems like God could have just not given you a disease in the first place... and maybe made the driver stay awake,

Don't judge the majority of Christians over the actions of a few bad apples...

Okay.

Don't judge the majority of Athiests over the actions of a few bad apples..
Don't judge the majority of Gays over the actions of a few bad apples...

The thing is, everyone sees everyone else's judgments, but never their own. That is because they view their own judgements as being positive because they are right, whereas everyone else is wrong.

This gives rise to behaviour where someone will loudly (and sometimes forcefully) judge others a hundred time, yet take offense at a single judgement aimed at themselves.

Wow, serious thread is serious.

zzrhardy: Don't judge the majority of Christians over the actions of a few bad apples...

Okay.

Don't judge the majority of Athiests over the actions of a few bad apples..
Don't judge the majority of Gays over the actions of a few bad apples...

The thing is, everyone sees everyone else's judgments, but never their own. That is because they view their own judgements as being positive because they are right, whereas everyone else is wrong.

This gives rise to behaviour where someone will loudly (and sometimes forcefully) judge others a hundred time, yet take offense at a single judgement aimed at themselves.

I like this. Perception is a gift while judgment is a conviction.

Benjamin Orr: Seems like God could have just not given you a disease in the first place... and maybe made the driver stay awake,

God never promised an easy life. God didn't give me a disease. God works thru science, Luke was a doctor.

heck I don't know just felt like sharing, it's time for bed, LOL

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: ugh no i just know when it is too easy to quote the Bible to try and prove one's points out and coming across as holier than thou, or in the classic "oh yea well God says this" and totally not what is meant. Much like Satan on the mountaintop trying to tempt God.

There's a subtle difference between "but the bible says so everything you believe is wrong", and replying with a quote to someone who specifically requested to hear said quote.

and that i did

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Have I called anyone a name in here?

No.
You have been polite, well spoken and amazingly patient.

awe geez thank you unless your being snarky this is after still Fark LOL and i doubt i've been well spoken unless one enjoys my ramblings

No snark. Consider that most Farkers that share your point of view usually end up screaming obscenities and insults or do a Bevets I appreciate your effort.

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Have I called anyone a name in here?

No.
You have been polite, well spoken and amazingly patient.

awe geez thank you unless your being snarky this is after still Fark LOL and i doubt i've been well spoken unless one enjoys my ramblings

No snark. Consider that most Farkers that share your point of view usually end up screaming obscenities and insults or do a Bevets I appreciate your effort.

I can agree with that.

Waldo Pepper: God never promised an easy life. God didn't give me a disease. God works thru science, Luke was a doctor.

heck I don't know just felt like sharing, it's time for bed, LOL

I find it funny as an agnostic that some Christians are so anti evolution. It seems like an easy goal for them to me, ie, "evolution is one of the many tools that God created. God meant for life to evolve".

More to the point, if their God deliberately created life to evolve, who the heck are these twats to question his methods and or purpose?

liquidsiphon: zzrhardy: Don't judge the majority of Christians over the actions of a few bad apples...

Okay.

Don't judge the majority of Athiests over the actions of a few bad apples..
Don't judge the majority of Gays over the actions of a few bad apples...

The thing is, everyone sees everyone else's judgments, but never their own. That is because they view their own judgements as being positive because they are right, whereas everyone else is wrong.

This gives rise to behaviour where someone will loudly (and sometimes forcefully) judge others a hundred time, yet take offense at a single judgement aimed at themselves.

I like this. Perception is a gift while judgment is a conviction.

good one. And it seems to me that a lot of folks like to "judge" others on issue they secretly are fighting.

I honestly try to see everyone point of view, okay i confess I do have a hard time taking scientology seriously. I once serve on a jury for a murder trial and it was eye opening how I would go back and forth between guilty and not guilty as the trial unfolded, dropping my early perceptions and coming to what I and the other jury members hope was the right decision.

liquidsiphon: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.
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Have I called anyone a name in here?

No.
You have been polite, well spoken and amazingly patient.

awe geez thank you unless your being snarky this is after still Fark LOL and i doubt i've been well spoken unless one enjoys my ramblings

No snark. Consider that most Farkers that share your point of view usually end up screaming obscenities and insults or do a Bevets I appreciate your effort.

I can agree with that.

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Then let the guy get some sleep and save the asshattery for Bevets and his ilk.

zzrhardy: Waldo Pepper: God never promised an easy life. God didn't give me a disease. God works thru science, Luke was a doctor.

heck I don't know just felt like sharing, it's time for bed, LOL

I find it funny as an agnostic that some Christians are so anti evolution. It seems like an easy goal for them to me, ie, "evolution is one of the many tools that God created. God meant for life to evolve".

More to the point, if their God deliberately created life to evolve, who the heck are these twats to question his methods and or purpose?

i think it is the evolve from monkeys part. I have no problem with evolution from a horses got bigger, stronger and developed over time. I do not think we came from single cell and worked our way up. Like i said I believe in Creation 100%. I'm also a young earth person but will allow that God days were longer at the beginning so what was done in 6 days could have meant 6 million years, i doubt it but will say it could be. not sure in the long run if being 6 24 hour days or day=million years matters

So hard to resist. As if I ever get to save anything for bevets.. as if anyone does. He doesn't talk back much. He recites and is gone.

liquidsiphon: So hard to resist. As if I ever get to save anything for bevets.. as if anyone does. He doesn't talk back much. He recites and is gone.

So why take it out on this guy?

Boatmech: liquidsiphon: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: liquidsiphon: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.
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Have I called anyone a name in here?

No.
You have been polite, well spoken and amazingly patient.

awe geez thank you unless your being snarky this is after still Fark LOL and i doubt i've been well spoken unless one enjoys my ramblings

No snark. Consider that most Farkers that share your point of view usually end up screaming obscenities and insults or do a Bevets I appreciate your effort.

I can agree with that.

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Then let the guy get some sleep and save the asshattery for Bevets and his ilk.

thank you

Boatmech: liquidsiphon: So hard to resist. As if I ever get to save anything for bevets.. as if anyone does. He doesn't talk back much. He recites and is gone.

So why take it out on this guy?

no worries its all good

Difference of opinions on a subject is not taking it out on someone. I'm pretty sure he's free to do the same to my opinions.

Waldo Pepper: Boatmech: liquidsiphon: So hard to resist. As if I ever get to save anything for bevets.. as if anyone does. He doesn't talk back much. He recites and is gone.

So why take it out on this guy?

no worries its all good

Get some sleep/come back fresh, I've got a couple of simple questions I'd like to ask you.

liquidsiphon: Difference of opinions on a subject is not taking it out on someone. I'm pretty sure he's free to do the same to my opinions.

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Hey, this IS Fark, give the guy a little room. If he is sincere in his beliefs he'll be back.