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(WRCB)   The Lord said to make a joyful noise. He just didn't mean doing it for five hours at a time every Sunday as loud as you possibly can. Plus, you probably shouldn't be "goofing off and cussing" when police show up   (wrcbtv.com) divider line 214
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2012-06-08 11:05:46 PM  

Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: MAYORBOB: I love the incredible arrogance of, "I was doing this on my property."

Yeah but the noise you were making didn't stay on your property, Tammy Faye.

....and yet double standards (giant loud speakers, 5 times azan daily) are not only applied but actually encouraged for fear of offending the minorities in the good ole USA.

[img2.allvoices.com image 609x480]
Islamic Center, Dearborn MI


The call to prayer last like 2-5 minutes.
Not a solid 5 hours of blaring music.

Assuming you're not a Muslim....call me again when you hear some monotonal Arabic prayer chant at full blast lasting a full 5 minutes penetrating your walls into the deepest parts of your ear canal at 5 am in the morning ... everyday 5 times a day! if you're still ok with that I'll happily concede your point.



Can I call you when the Church bells go off at the Baptist church down the road instead at 5 Am in the morning...everyday 16 times a day?


The bells! They're getting closer!
 
2012-06-08 11:09:02 PM  
Did anyone notice the state this happened in? Tennseetucky. I'm shocked they didn't arrest the people who complained about this women the second she mentioned what she was doing was religious in nature and/or involved country music.

Perhaps we are making some progress.
 
2012-06-08 11:13:45 PM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Cue the "I hate Christian" liberal rhetoric in 3...2...


I don't think I've seen you around before, but I preemptively put you on the ignore list, cause...yeah.
 
2012-06-08 11:16:02 PM  
That's gonna be my new excuse for everything for now on. "I was just praising the Lord," I'll always say.
 
2012-06-08 11:17:37 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.


/Buzz. I'm gay.
 
2012-06-08 11:20:21 PM  

Waldo Pepper: SuperTramp: Waldo Pepper .
The anti Christian threads on fark are getting very old. I remember when Fark was a place for fun, snarky comments and boobies. Now it is simply anti Christian, pro gay and well it doesn't matter, the links are getting repetitive or simply linked to make money.

What's wrong wtih pro gay? Are you a witch-burning fundamentalist Christian?

/sounds like it, why aren't you at church?

typical response. nothing is wrong with being pro gay as there is nothing wrong with going against policies that are pro gay. personally on the gay issue i don't care either way. I'm pro life but I don't attack or make fun of those who are pro choice.
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I'm simply said the anti Christian threads on fark are getting old, we get it you hate christianity, you think they are stupid for their beliefs.


You believe there's nothing wrong with systematically denying basic human rights to those who don't share your opinion?

My religion says that any meal without Bacon is an abomination, and I think there should be a law requiring every meal to include bacon. I don't care about anyone who might be affected by this, they should either learn to follow my religious beliefs or deal with the consequences.

See how silly that sounds? This is exactly what people sound like when they defend laws based solely on personal religious beliefs.
 
2012-06-08 11:21:41 PM  
Maybe she's just a God Warrior
 
2012-06-08 11:23:37 PM  

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: SuperTramp: Waldo Pepper .
The anti Christian threads on fark are getting very old. I remember when Fark was a place for fun, snarky comments and boobies. Now it is simply anti Christian, pro gay and well it doesn't matter, the links are getting repetitive or simply linked to make money.

What's wrong wtih pro gay? Are you a witch-burning fundamentalist Christian?

/sounds like it, why aren't you at church?

typical response. nothing is wrong with being pro gay as there is nothing wrong with going against policies that are pro gay. personally on the gay issue i don't care either way. I'm pro life but I don't attack or make fun of those who are pro choice.
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I'm simply said the anti Christian threads on fark are getting old, we get it you hate christianity, you think they are stupid for their beliefs.

You believe there's nothing wrong with systematically denying basic human rights to those who don't share your opinion?

My religion says that any meal without Bacon is an abomination, and I think there should be a law requiring every meal to include bacon. I don't care about anyone who might be affected by this, they should either learn to follow my religious beliefs or deal with the consequences.

See how silly that sounds? This is exactly what people sound like when they defend laws based solely on personal religious beliefs.


May I join your baconogma?

I ascribe to this proteinogma too.

;)
 
2012-06-08 11:25:11 PM  

WordyGrrl: Maybe she's just a God Warrior


hatever that is, I am hatless...

;)
 
2012-06-08 11:25:19 PM  
I'll ask the lowly sparrow up in his lofty perch,
"Would you please direct me to the local Baptist church?"
I'll attend the Wednesday meeting, and there I'll speak in tongues,
I'll shout and holler "Praise the Lord" until I nearly burst my lungs.

/it's okay to disturb me
//that's what I came here for
 
2012-06-08 11:25:49 PM  

Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: MAYORBOB: I love the incredible arrogance of, "I was doing this on my property."

Yeah but the noise you were making didn't stay on your property, Tammy Faye.

....and yet double standards (giant loud speakers, 5 times azan daily) are not only applied but actually encouraged for fear of offending the minorities in the good ole USA.

[img2.allvoices.com image 609x480]
Islamic Center, Dearborn MI


The call to prayer last like 2-5 minutes.
Not a solid 5 hours of blaring music.


And it's no worse than clarion bells. Or would the xtians like it if we started calling for those to be banned too?
 
2012-06-08 11:26:25 PM  
This:

there is nothing wrong with going against policies that are pro gay

And this:

I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians

Are SOMEWHAT CONTRADICTORY.
 
2012-06-08 11:27:13 PM  

Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: MAYORBOB: I love the incredible arrogance of, "I was doing this on my property."

Yeah but the noise you were making didn't stay on your property, Tammy Faye.

....and yet double standards (giant loud speakers, 5 times azan daily) are not only applied but actually encouraged for fear of offending the minorities in the good ole USA.

[img2.allvoices.com image 609x480]
Islamic Center, Dearborn MI


The call to prayer last like 2-5 minutes.
Not a solid 5 hours of blaring music.

Assuming you're not a Muslim....call me again when you hear some monotonal Arabic prayer chant at full blast lasting a full 5 minutes penetrating your walls into the deepest parts of your ear canal at 5 am in the morning ... everyday 5 times a day! if you're still ok with that I'll happily concede your point.



Can I call you when the Church bells go off at the Baptist church down the road instead at 5 Am in the morning...everyday 16 times a day?


We can solve both problems by requiring all religious houses, regardless of religiousnessosity, to go back to non-electronic methods of spreading the word. Used to be the minarets and suchlike were used because in the Olden Olden Days, only the priests and imams had access to clocks, and used to make the call to prayer, ring the bells, etc., to tell everyone it was time to come pray. It's not something that's in anyone's book, Book, or scroll, that it has to be done aloud and with the speakers turned up to eleven.

I know that flies in the face of Tradition, but there's no reason you can't have bells or muezzin calls on your iPod.
 
2012-06-08 11:27:49 PM  

Waldo Pepper: There could also be what is known as natural law and there could be arguments saying homosexuality goes against nature.


There could be. But there isn't.
 
2012-06-08 11:28:03 PM  

Waldo Pepper: There could also be what is known as natural law and there could be arguments saying homosexuality goes against nature.


And where can I find this book of "natural laws"? And do gay animals know about these laws?
 
2012-06-08 11:28:54 PM  

Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: This:

there is nothing wrong with going against policies that are pro gay

And this:

I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians

Are SOMEWHAT CONTRADICTORY.

has it been all Christians that are going against those policies?


In this side of the world, primarily Christians, yes. In other parts of the world, Muslims pick up the anti-gay banner and run with it quite nicely.
 
2012-06-08 11:30:19 PM  

Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: Waldo Pepper: Great another fark thread where the atheist get to show off how cool they are by make fun of Christians.

okay we get it, you don't believe.

Have a nice day, please get on with your life I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians.

/Buzz. I'm gay.

Woody, I'll let my cousin know if he breaks up with his life partner. he is a heck of a guy


Dr. Freud to the white courtesy phone. Dr. Freud to the white courtesy phone, please.
 
2012-06-08 11:31:31 PM  

Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: MAYORBOB: I love the incredible arrogance of, "I was doing this on my property."

Yeah but the noise you were making didn't stay on your property, Tammy Faye.

....and yet double standards (giant loud speakers, 5 times azan daily) are not only applied but actually encouraged for fear of offending the minorities in the good ole USA.

[img2.allvoices.com image 609x480]
Islamic Center, Dearborn MI


The call to prayer last like 2-5 minutes.
Not a solid 5 hours of blaring music.

Assuming you're not a Muslim....call me again when you hear some monotonal Arabic prayer chant at full blast lasting a full 5 minutes penetrating your walls into the deepest parts of your ear canal at 5 am in the morning ... everyday 5 times a day! if you're still ok with that I'll happily concede your point.



Can I call you when the Church bells go off at the Baptist church down the road instead at 5 Am in the morning...everyday 16 times a day?


I guess I'll be waiting for a long time for that call then being that baptist churches DON"T freaking ring chuch bells.. let alone at 5 am and 16 times a day but pls go on with your lies.
 
2012-06-08 11:31:50 PM  

Waldo Pepper: the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: SuperTramp: Waldo Pepper .
The anti Christian threads on fark are getting very old. I remember when Fark was a place for fun, snarky comments and boobies. Now it is simply anti Christian, pro gay and well it doesn't matter, the links are getting repetitive or simply linked to make money.

What's wrong wtih pro gay? Are you a witch-burning fundamentalist Christian?

/sounds like it, why aren't you at church?

typical response. nothing is wrong with being pro gay as there is nothing wrong with going against policies that are pro gay. personally on the gay issue i don't care either way. I'm pro life but I don't attack or make fun of those who are pro choice.
.
I'm simply said the anti Christian threads on fark are getting old, we get it you hate christianity, you think they are stupid for their beliefs.

You believe there's nothing wrong with systematically denying basic human rights to those who don't share your opinion?

My religion says that any meal without Bacon is an abomination, and I think there should be a law requiring every meal to include bacon. I don't care about anyone who might be affected by this, they should either learn to follow my religious beliefs or deal with the consequences.

See how silly that sounds? This is exactly what people sound like when they defend laws based solely on personal religious beliefs.

where did I say I was denying basic human rights to anyone? please don't pull out the same old "well my religion says ..bacon" not the same and you know it. There could also be what is known as natural law and there could be arguments saying homosexuality goes against nature.
.


It's your flirting with ideas like " There could also be what is known as natural law and there could be arguments saying homosexuality goes against nature." that makes me think you're a bigot.
 
2012-06-08 11:36:26 PM  

Waldo Pepper: so you have been denied jobs, house, food, medical care by Christians because your gay?


You can't really be this naïve.
 
2012-06-08 11:42:36 PM  

Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: This:

there is nothing wrong with going against policies that are pro gay

And this:

I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians

Are SOMEWHAT CONTRADICTORY.

has it been all Christians that are going against those policies?

In this side of the world, primarily Christians, yes. In other parts of the world, Muslims pick up the anti-gay banner and run with it quite nicely.

so you have been denied jobs, house, food, medical care by Christians because your gay?


Are those the only questions I'm allowed to answer? Curious. Of all the things in the world, I'm only allowed to if I've been "denied" any of those four things.

What a curious Straw Man you've propped up. To answer, I had a Christian roommate angrily insist I leave our apartment (it was under his name) when I came out.
I haven't been denied the other three things (which are the only four things in the entire world, according to you), but I have friends who have lost their jobs after coming out, and who were kicked out of their homes after coming out.
Ooh, and I once knew a gay gay who told a story about how he was walking home one night and was mugged and shot and when the Christian neighbors ran out to see what the commotion was, the husband rushed forward to help the gay gay, but his wife screamed, "NO! He might have AIDS!" so they called the cops and kept their distance. Does that count as "medical care"?

So I at least got three of them. You know, out of the four things there are in the entire world for gay people to be denied.
 
2012-06-08 11:44:58 PM  
I was once denied a blow job by a Christian man. Well, come to think of it, I guess he might've been Jewish.
 
2012-06-08 11:45:30 PM  

Waldo Pepper: fredzilla:
well you're free to think whatever you desire. just curious would evolution sort of be considered a natural law ...



Who said evolution is a law? It just so happens that the overwhelming evidence supports that theory. Do I consider it correct? Until there is reasonable evidence otherwise, I will consider it to be correct.
 
2012-06-08 11:49:43 PM  

Waldo Pepper: just curious would evolution sort of be considered a natural law by atheist?


No. Natural Law is a nebulous, ever-changing concept, used by religious scholars and philosophers to ponder morality and the human condition. Evolution is science.
 
2012-06-08 11:51:12 PM  
I'm so confused. What kind of person creates this story? I know several people who would actually spend five hours noisily praising God all afternoon, but none of them listen to Randy Travis and cuss.
 
2012-06-08 11:51:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: MAYORBOB: I love the incredible arrogance of, "I was doing this on my property."

Yeah but the noise you were making didn't stay on your property, Tammy Faye.

....and yet double standards (giant loud speakers, 5 times azan daily) are not only applied but actually encouraged for fear of offending the minorities in the good ole USA.

[img2.allvoices.com image 609x480]
Islamic Center, Dearborn MI


The call to prayer last like 2-5 minutes.
Not a solid 5 hours of blaring music.

Assuming you're not a Muslim....call me again when you hear some monotonal Arabic prayer chant at full blast lasting a full 5 minutes penetrating your walls into the deepest parts of your ear canal at 5 am in the morning ... everyday 5 times a day! if you're still ok with that I'll happily concede your point.



Can I call you when the Church bells go off at the Baptist church down the road instead at 5 Am in the morning...everyday 16 times a day?

We can solve both problems by requiring all religious houses, regardless of religiousnessosity, to go back to non-electronic methods of spreading the word. Used to be the minarets and suchlike were used because in the Olden Olden Days, only the priests and imams had access to clocks, and used to make the call to prayer, ring the bells, etc., to tell everyone it was time to come pray. It's not something that's in anyone's book, Book, or scroll, that it has to be done aloud and with the speakers turned up to eleven.

I know that flies in the face of Tradition, but there's no reason you can't have bells or muezzin calls on your iPod.


I love this woman.
 
2012-06-08 11:53:32 PM  

Waldo Pepper: where did I say I was denying basic human rights to anyone?


You did not say that you were doing it, you said that there's nothing wrong with it.

If you're going to have a debate, at least try to remember your own words.

Waldo Pepper: There could also be what is known as natural law and there could be arguments saying homosexuality goes against nature.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

This "natural law" does not exist, or else there would be no documented cases of homosexuality among animals, let alone well documented in 500 species and observed in 1500.

There's my proof, now where's yours?
 
2012-06-08 11:54:31 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: Bunnyhat: SuperNinjaToad: MAYORBOB: I love the incredible arrogance of, "I was doing this on my property."

Yeah but the noise you were making didn't stay on your property, Tammy Faye.

....and yet double standards (giant loud speakers, 5 times azan daily) are not only applied but actually encouraged for fear of offending the minorities in the good ole USA.

[img2.allvoices.com image 609x480]
Islamic Center, Dearborn MI


The call to prayer last like 2-5 minutes.
Not a solid 5 hours of blaring music.

Assuming you're not a Muslim....call me again when you hear some monotonal Arabic prayer chant at full blast lasting a full 5 minutes penetrating your walls into the deepest parts of your ear canal at 5 am in the morning ... everyday 5 times a day! if you're still ok with that I'll happily concede your point.



Can I call you when the Church bells go off at the Baptist church down the road instead at 5 Am in the morning...everyday 16 times a day?

I guess I'll be waiting for a long time for that call then being that baptist churches DON"T freaking ring chuch bells.. let alone at 5 am and 16 times a day but pls go on with your lies.


Hmm...what?
Yea they do. They do operate around the local noise ordinance though that only lets them ring the bells between 6am to 9pm. So I'll admit the 5AM thing was just poetic license.

Or are you trying to claim that every single Baptist church in the country don't have bells? Cause if you are trying to convince me that Baptist, pretty much the most disagreeable sect of Christianity between themselves and other sects, have all agreed to not have bells; well frankly I will be the one calling you a liar.

Baptist Church bells
http://photoblog.statesman.com/one-more-ring-for-bell-at-sweet-home-m i ssionary-baptsit-church
More Bells
Bell sounds coming from outdoor loudspeakers instead
 
2012-06-08 11:57:32 PM  

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: where did I say I was denying basic human rights to anyone?

You did not say that you were doing it, you said that there's nothing wrong with it.

If you're going to have a debate, at least try to remember your own words.

Waldo Pepper: There could also be what is known as natural law and there could be arguments saying homosexuality goes against nature.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

This "natural law" does not exist, or else there would be no documented cases of homosexuality among animals, let alone well documented in 500 species and observed in 1500.

There's my proof, now where's yours?


This is the part where Christians say "well, since when do we take our moral cues from animals?!"
And around and around we go...
 
2012-06-09 12:04:50 AM  

Waldo Pepper: the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: where did I say I was
i don't put animals in the same category as humans, no souls.


I'm not advocating one way or another, but how do you KNOW that?
 
2012-06-09 12:06:19 AM  

Tommy Moo: I'm so confused. What kind of person creates this story? I know several people who would actually spend five hours noisily praising God all afternoon, but none of them listen to Randy Travis and cuss.


I believe we may be dealing with the all too easily found creature, the Fat Ugly Aging Redneck Attention-Whore.

/what a few million gallons of napalm on the south part of the Ocala Forest and all of Sumter County could do to cure that.
 
2012-06-09 12:07:18 AM  

Waldo Pepper: so really your life hasn't been hampered much by Christians, sure so horrible events but nothing truly horrible. feel free to use other examples like I was going to list everything in the world

but basic human rights you seem to have done okay.

Your roommate might just be a jerk regardless of religion.

that was your friend telling a story so no it doesn't count towards your medical care.

again I don't care if your gay, I will work with or for you, I will gladly have you as a neighbor, we can go hang out, I'll invite you to the christmas play at church. if you got fired from a place for being gay I will be as pissed off as you are for it.


Nothing "horrible" has happened to me as a result of coming out,no. But that wasn't what you said originally. You said "I seriously doubt your life has been made worse by Christians". and it has been. I can't get married because of Christians and my Christian mother went to therapy for years after I came out because she believed I was "sinning". Nothing major, I'll grant you, but it has been made worse.

Obviously, there are many dead teens who had it way worse than me.
 
2012-06-09 12:08:50 AM  

eddiesocket: This is the part where Christians say "well, since when do we take our moral cues from animals?!"
And around and around we go...


Waldo Pepper: i don't put animals in the same category as humans, no souls.


DING DING DING!
 
2012-06-09 12:14:59 AM  

Waldo Pepper: i don't put animals in the same category as humans, no souls.


Very well, since you can provide no proof of this "natural law", I will assume you're basing it on religion until you can prove otherwise (extraordinary claims...).

Now, assuming your side is based on religion, why is it that I am not allowed to impose my religious beliefs on your family, yet you feel that it's fine for people to impose your religious beliefs on mine?

If I am wrong, if your argument not based on religion, then you should be able to provide some credible peer-reviewed scientific proof of the "natural law" you claim to base your beliefs on.
 
2012-06-09 12:17:31 AM  

the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: i don't put animals in the same category as humans, no souls.

Very well, since you can provide no proof of this "natural law", I will assume you're basing it on religion until you can prove otherwise (extraordinary claims...).

Now, assuming your side is based on religion, why is it that I am not allowed to impose my religious beliefs on your family, yet you feel that it's fine for people to impose your religious beliefs on mine?

If I am wrong, if your argument not based on religion, then you should be able to provide some credible peer-reviewed scientific proof of the "natural law" you claim to base your beliefs on.


Isn't that remarkable? He actually argued that human beings having souls is part of natural law.
 
2012-06-09 12:23:10 AM  

Waldo Pepper: sorry to hear about your mom, sure you can get married in some states now. I've always been on the side of civil unions, i do have an issue with the marriage part but i'm sure that is more from a traditional stand point than a religious one.

this one might surprise you but i sort of want to see "in God we trust" removed from our money. I'm sure God is thrilled with having his name on bills begin used to buy porn, drugs, crooked deals. seems wrong

prayer being led by the schools, no. students being able to pray or even lead a prayer at graduation sure it is there right, if a muslim kid wants to lead a muslim prayer his/her right.

abortion i hate, I feel it is murder (extreme case issues aside). in this day and age with th e easy access to birth control no excuse for the number of abortions being done. should they be outlawed, nah back alley abortions are worse. I would rather see the need for abortions going down. i do hate hearing "woman's right to choose", if that is my baby I feel I should have a say (hard one to work out).


You need to sterilize yoursell, now, mans...
 
2012-06-09 12:24:44 AM  

Waldo Pepper: in this day and age with th e easy access to birth control


Another way that many people's lives are made worse by Christians, is that many Christians seek to limit access to birth control.
 
2012-06-09 12:29:31 AM  

Waldo Pepper: fredzilla: Waldo Pepper: the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: where did I say I was
i don't put animals in the same category as humans, no souls.

I'm not advocating one way or another, but how do you KNOW that?

The Bible tells me so (couldn't resist)


Citation needed (not that the bible is any authority)
 
2012-06-09 12:31:38 AM  

Waldo Pepper: eddiesocket: Waldo Pepper: in this day and age with th e easy access to birth control

Another way that many people's lives are made worse by Christians, is that many Christians seek to limit access to birth control.

and many don't


You didn't say "I doubt your life has been made worse by every single Christian"
 
2012-06-09 12:34:30 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Indubitably: Waldo Pepper: sorry to hear about your mom, sure you can get married in some states now. I've always been on the side of civil unions, i do have an issue with the marriage part but i'm sure that is more from a traditional stand point than a religious one.

this one might surprise you but i sort of want to see "in God we trust" removed from our money. I'm sure God is thrilled with having his name on bills begin used to buy porn, drugs, crooked deals. seems wrong

prayer being led by the schools, no. students being able to pray or even lead a prayer at graduation sure it is there right, if a muslim kid wants to lead a muslim prayer his/her right.

abortion i hate, I feel it is murder (extreme case issues aside). in this day and age with th e easy access to birth control no excuse for the number of abortions being done. should they be outlawed, nah back alley abortions are worse. I would rather see the need for abortions going down. i do hate hearing "woman's right to choose", if that is my baby I feel I should have a say (hard one to work out).

You need to sterilize yoursell, now, mans...

why? You don't agree with me so I should be sterilized. what did i say in this section that is so horrible?


You said a man should have a right to force a woman to carry a baby to term, which is pretty insane.
 
2012-06-09 12:37:11 AM  

Waldo Pepper: fredzilla: Waldo Pepper: fredzilla: Waldo Pepper: the ha ha guy: Waldo Pepper: where did I say I was
i don't put animals in the same category as humans, no souls.

I'm not advocating one way or another, but how do you KNOW that?

The Bible tells me so (couldn't resist)

Citation needed (not that the bible is any authority)

First, man and animals do not share kinship-all the claims of evolutionists (and those sympathetic to them) notwithstanding. The apostle Paul addressed this very point in 1 Corinthians 15 when he wrote: "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes" (v. 15, emp. added). As Stuart Walker correctly commented: "Genesis 1:26-30 and 2:7,21-25 clearly states that man was a special creation with no phylogenetic relationship to any other creature. Thus, there is a phylogenetic discontinuity between man and animals-we are not physically interrelated" (1991, 5[2]:21, emp. added). As Adam previewed the animals in the Garden of Eden for a mate and went about naming them (Genesis 2:18-20), this "discontinuity" became clear. Among all the animals that God had created, there was none that corresponded to him. Not one sufficed to remove him from his personal isolation of being "alone" (Genesis 2:18). As Walker went on to note:

Thus, we share in the life principle, but it is not the life principle itself that is precious.... Ontological continuity cannot be established upon the experiences of life, the intrinsic value of life itself, or physical parallels between animals and humans; rather, we are separated from the animal world by an impassable gulf-a chasm of essential difference in who we are (1991, 5[2]:22, emp. added).

Link


Neither the bible, nor Adam and Eve, nor souls are part of "natural law". You asserted that Natural Law says being gay is wrong. When pointed out to you that animals are part of nature and some of them are gay, you said they don't count as part of a discussion of natural law because they don't have souls.
 
2012-06-09 12:44:26 AM  

Waldo Pepper: no different that the one night stand the chick gets knocked up and she decides to have the baby and the man has to pay child support for a kid he doesn't want.


Holy shiat.

Seriously? Men shouldn't have to pay child support? (Provided of course, they "didn't want" the kid?) You're seriously advocating that? I thought the poster above was being harsh when he said don't procreate, but I had no idea until just now how morally abhorrent you are.
 
2012-06-09 12:44:57 AM  

Waldo Pepper: First, man and animals do not share kinship-all the claims of evolutionists (and those sympathetic to them) notwithstanding. The apostle Paul addressed this very point in 1 Corinthians 15 when he wrote: "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes"


Wouldn't that imply that sometime, somewhere, there was a fish Adam, a beast Adam, and a bird Adam? After all, if each group is "one flesh", that would imply that they all descended from the same parents, otherwise each species of animal would be a unique creation from one another, just as humans are a unique creation from the others.
 
2012-06-09 12:48:23 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I simply said "some might say" I did not say I agreed it was natural law.


Who are you, Fox News?

Only religious people use "natural law" as an argument against gay rights. I've never meant a non-religious person against gay rights. I'm sure they exist, at least in theory, but they have to be the most minor of minorities possible.
 
2012-06-09 12:51:23 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I simply said "some might say" I did not say I agreed it was natural law.


Very well, if you do not agree in natural law, why do you believe there's nothing wrong with systematically denying basic human rights to those who don't share your opinion?
 
2012-06-09 12:55:30 AM  
Trolling in Christianity threads is useless. There is no way to tell the troll from the Christians.

May as well piss into the wind.
 
2012-06-09 12:57:24 AM  

Waldo Pepper:

First, man and animals do not share kinship-all the claims of evolutionists (and those sympathetic to them) notwithstanding. The apostle Paul addressed this very point in 1 Corinthians 15 when he wrote: "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes" (v. 15, emp. added). As Stuart Walker correctly commented: "Genesis 1:26-30 and 2:7,21-25 clearly states that man was a special creation with no phylogenetic relationship to any other creature. Thus, there is a phylogenetic discontinuity between man and animals-we are not physically interrelated" (1991, 5[2]:21, emp. added). As Adam previewed the animals in the Garden of Eden for a mate and went about naming them (Genesis 2:18-20), this "discontinuity" became clear. Among all the animals that God had created, there was none that corresponded to him. Not one sufficed to remove him from his personal isolation of being "alone" (Genesis 2:18). As Walker went on to note:

Thus, we share in the life principle, but it is not the life principle itself that is precious.... Ontological continuity cannot be established upon the experiences of life, the intrinsic value of life itself, or physical parallels between animals and humans; rather, we are separated from the animal world by an impassable gulf-a chasm of essential difference in who we are (1991, 5[2]:22, emp. added).

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Thanks for going to the effort of backing up your interpretation of what the bible says.

I understand why you believe what you believe; but there is no solid evidence beyond the fairy tale Bible you quote. in fact, souls in any creature have never been proven to exist. this natural law thing is a sick world view that you use to sift against facts. There are gay animals, their are gay people. People are considered to be yet another species among all the other interconnected species on this planet.

You have to be willing to look at evidence for your claims instead of interpretations of your fairy tale.
 
2012-06-09 01:01:15 AM  
There is no god.
 
2012-06-09 01:06:16 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I also understand arguing about it with those who don't feel the same is pretty much a waste of time. There is no 100% concrete scientific proof on the non creation/non divine intervention side and other than the Bible which is taken as false by non Christians nothing 100% on the creation side.


What makes you believe I'm an athiest? I follow the teachings of Jesus every day. Though to be fair I follow the homeless hippie philosopher google ("don't be evil") Jesus, not the flying zombie psychopath ("if you don't eat the living flesh from my body I will send you and everyone you have ever loved to a place of everlasting fire and torment") Jesus.
 
2012-06-09 01:08:26 AM  

Waldo Pepper: where have i denied anyone a basic human right?


You did not say that you were doing it, you said that there's nothing wrong with it.

If you're going to have a debate, at least try to remember your own words.

/I knew this would be a circular argument, but I didn't expect it to be copy-and-paste level circular.
 
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