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(WRCB)   Gunman figures 67-year-old man would be an easy target. Sixty-seven-year-old combat veteran quickly disabuses him of his notion. "What I faced in Vietnam...no, it didn't shake me. It made me mad"   (wrcbtv.com) divider line 113
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2012-06-09 10:01:30 AM
To clarify what MythDragon said:

Double-action weapons, which include most handguns designed in the past 70 years (though plenty of earlier designs, like the 1911 and its derivatives, continue to be manufactured to this day), cock as part of the trigger's retraction process. If you were to watch in slow-motion (or just watch someone squeezing the trigger really slowly), you would see the hammer pulling back as the trigger is squeezed, until, , the trigger is squeezed back sufficiently far to release the hammer which springs forward.

Many pistols (as opposed to revolvers -- see MythDragon's picture of a Baretta 92F for an illustration of a typical pistol), particularly smaller ones, have internal hammers. They are technically single action, because the trigger does not cause the hammer to be pulled back. Rather, the hammer is pulled back by the slide when the previous round is extracted or when the user pulls the slide back to chamber an unloaded weapon. This is the same thing that happens on pistols with external hammers such as MythDragon's Baretta, or the Browning-designed, Colt-manufactured .45-calibre M1911. The M1911 (and really all modern pistols) evolved from the Browning-designed, Colt-manufactured .32-calibre M1903 which has an internal hammer. It's there, you just can't see it. You cock it, but not as a distinct operation.

Double-action means that the trigger can cock an uncocked hammer before releasing it. Single-action means that the trigger can only release a cocked hammer. MythDragon's Baretta is double-action. Conversely, most Colt pistols are single-action, since Colt hasn't made anything new in more than a century, aside from tweaking calibres (such as making the 1911 in a 10mm configuration) and evolving the old Armalite AR15 into the M16A2 and M4 series.
 
2012-06-09 10:28:03 AM

croesius: I like the part at the end where the police announce that this is not the proper way to react, and would rather you bow down, give up your dignity and possessions, and file a report later.


I used to work for this guy. There's a story he tells his students about the time a guy pulled a gun on him and demanded his wallet, and without thinking about it he kicked the gun out of the guy's hand.

When his students heard about this, one of them asked "Sifu, are we going to learn how to do that?" Sifu answered, "OH no. *I* kick the gun out of his hand. *You* give him your money."

He follows this anecdote up with a lecture about how stupid he felt after he did that, because he realized the guy could have shot him, and that you should never try to mess with someone who's pointing a gun at you... because which is more important? Your wallet, or your life?

Sifu is a pretty cool guy.

/I was his bookkeeper. He wouldn't take me as a student because he didn't think I was serious about it.
//He was sooooo right. I was just a pretentious teenager who thought doing kung fu would make me cool.
 
2012-06-09 10:44:44 AM
MythDragon: Either he wasn't smart enough to get a job that let him sit on the FOB, or he was and decided to go be a bullet catcher anyway, in which case I've got no sympathy for him either way. You got your job, we got ours. Neither can work without the other. If you don't complain about me sitting in the A/C all day, I won't complain when you come in the comms tent reaking of 3 day old swamp-ass.

THIS.

The majority of sane people do not go 11 Bravo (Infantryman) because they want to. The majority get put in that position because they have the ASVAB score of a potato, or they royally fark up during BCT or during their MOS' AIT.
 
2012-06-09 12:33:36 PM

BronyMedic: The majority of sane people do not go 11 Bravo (Infantryman) because they want to. The majority get put in that position because they have the ASVAB score of a potato, or they royally fark up during BCT or during their MOS' AIT.



You do not know what you are talking about.

The ASVAB scores required for infantry are higher than several MOSs. You want to see real knuckle-dragging morons? Go check out a field service company, mortuary affairs company, or laundry & showers company -- for that matter, QM and TC in general are pretty low on the ASVAB scores and high on the extra chromosomes.

Infantry is sort of odd in its intellectual diversity. There are idiots to be sure, but there are also brilliant guys, and everything in-between. Fellows are attracted to infantry for a variety of reasons: the bonuses and Army College Fund contributions are high, there's the proving-yourself angle, family tradition, and the sense that "if I'm going to be in the Army, I shouldn't do things half-way by not going infantry.
 
2012-06-09 12:37:12 PM

HopScotchNSoda: BronyMedic: The majority of sane people do not go 11 Bravo (Infantryman) because they want to. The majority get put in that position because they have the ASVAB score of a potato, or they royally fark up during BCT or during their MOS' AIT.


You do not know what you are talking about.

The ASVAB scores required for infantry are higher than several MOSs. You want to see real knuckle-dragging morons? Go check out a field service company, mortuary affairs company, or laundry & showers company -- for that matter, QM and TC in general are pretty low on the ASVAB scores and high on the extra chromosomes.

Infantry is sort of odd in its intellectual diversity. There are idiots to be sure, but there are also brilliant guys, and everything in-between. Fellows are attracted to infantry for a variety of reasons: the bonuses and Army College Fund contributions are high, there's the proving-yourself angle, family tradition, and the sense that "if I'm going to be in the Army, I shouldn't do things half-way by not going infantry.


Pretty much this. Some of my best friends were Infantry and not idiots. But I mocked 'em anyways. MI mocks Infantry, Infantry mocks MI, it's how the world works. However, there were the ones who could barely count to potato. I suggest you look at some of the Field Artillery units for those guys.

/HUMINT!
 
2012-06-09 12:48:58 PM
Strange but True and Slightly Tangential Story, Bro: Summer of 1997 I was riding a DOT bus on the Harper-Van Dyke route to get to work. I was without my own vehicle for a three-week period and had to rely on public transport to get to my job in a very sketchy area of Detroit. As a rule, I was the only white person on the bus, as I was on this particular evening. Climbed aboard at Van Dyke/Frontenac and took a seat near the front. There were two teenagers/maybe young 20-somethings conversing with each other very loudly and shouting out very rude (profanity-laced) remarks about other riders, including an elderly woman sitting by herself. After about 15 minutes this older man who'd been sitting alone reading a book stood up and confronted the teens with a rant of his own. "I did not risk my a** in Vietnam to come home and hear n-words like you show such disrespect. No one here wants to hear your farking foul mouths, we expect a peaceful ride on the bus." I was shrinking down in my seat and trying not to laugh out loud at his cuss word-laced diatribe against these kids for their foul mouths. Reminded me of my own Dad who used to admonish us "Watch your God-da**ed language!" He then yelled at the diminutive female driver "Bus driver, you stop this bus right now!" Surprisingly, she complied and Vietnam vet ordered the unruly youths off and they exited, even though he didn't brandish any sort of weapon. When the kids stepped off, several passengers applauded and the elderly woman hugged the vet and said "God bless you."
 
2012-06-09 12:56:56 PM

Ouisch: Summer of 1997


The last sighting of a real man.
 
2012-06-09 01:38:16 PM

Sider: Gunbarrel Road? Really?


Yep, and this is a major commercial street too.

/lol you crazy, Chattanooga
 
2012-06-09 03:50:36 PM

snorkblaster: Yup: see, for example, Nicole duFresne, famous for last words that included "What are you going to do now, shoot us?"


Her situation was much more dangerous: the gunman in front of his girlfriend and friends.

In this man's situation, he had one-on-one moral authority. In hers, she was challenging the gunman in front of his friends, and he panicked at the potential loss of face.

In Nicole's situation, I want to know: where the hell was her fiance? The article you linked to says he was "further up the block" at the time of the shooting. If that's right, that's a complete failure to man up.
 
2012-06-09 04:58:58 PM
"I said if you gonna shoot me then shoot me. I got a wife and three kids that you'll have to take care of." The implication being, "On the plus side, they'll be your problem now." Ah, family life!
 
2012-06-09 06:36:20 PM

Sider: Gunbarrel Road? Really?


Octavious Malone? Really?

Oblivious Moran, perhaps.

/don't fark with old men. They ain't got nothin' left to lose.
 
2012-06-09 11:37:51 PM
My son is a veteran of Afghanistan. He was home on leave, sitting at a stoplight, when a knife-wielding meth head tried to car jack him. The piece of human waste turned tail and ran when he saw my boy pulling his .45 1911 from his shoulder holster.

.45s make big, bloody holes in meth heads.
 
2012-06-09 11:42:40 PM

MythDragon: Pray 4 Mojo: I didnt know you could cock a 9mm.

I guess it could be a 9mm revolver...

Meh... What I don't know could fill a warehouse... so... whatever.

Just sounded funny to me.

/Mine doesn't cock. Just point it at what you want to die and pull the hangy down thing.

You should either attend some sort of firearms training, or stop having guns.
As a gun owner, you owe it to yourself and everyone around you to be familiar with how your weapon works, or any weapon you hold.

See that loopy, holey thing directly across from the barrel? That's the hammer. You can pull it back to cock it. Now not all guns have external hammers. Not all guns even have a hammer. Those without hammers at least have a firing pin. Those without firing pins have hammers. (unless you have an electric ignition fire system, but that is somewhat uncommon.) Regardless of what makes contact with the primer, something has to cock. You might not see it, but when you pull the trigger, something is being pulled back so it can strike the casing. Unless the gun is single action only, then you HAVE to cock it.


You need a refresher course yourself... You have to cock the weapon in order to insert a round into the chamber. If you have a revolver you only need to cock the weapon if it is single action.
 
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