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2012-06-08 08:37:39 PM  

torr5962: Im all for a voter's test, similar to a driving test, that at least shows you know something about politics. I work around adults who sweat when asked about the 3 branches of government or how many Senators represent our state. I dont blame this on stupidity though-I blame this on our schools. Civics is taught as an afterthought, mostly by teachers who don't have a good clue how to teach it. I still laugh thinking back to all the wrong things by Social Studies teachers taught. Then I get sad.


Did your history teacher mention that we had something like that in the South up until the 60s? It didn't work out so well.

/I'm tempted to make a joke about your English teacher being sad as well. . .
 
2012-06-08 08:42:08 PM  

hubiestubert: Again I ask: should we move the age requirement for service to 21?

Old enough to drink, old enough to vote, might as well be old enough to fight. You want to go that route, then let's go for it.

Kid's too stupid to vote, then he has to be too stupid to fight too. Right?


What about too stupid to drive? Why is it that you can be too stupid to drink but old enough to go to grownup jail if you get caught drinking?

If it's 18 to vote, then it's 18 to drink, 18 to serve, 18 to go to prison. OR:
21 to vote, 21 to drink, 21 to serve, 21 to go to prison.

Stop this mishmash of age rights. Either you're an adult and can do everything an adult can do, or you're not.
 
2012-06-08 08:42:31 PM  
I trust most young people to make a better decision on who to vote for than I do 80% of Republicans.

At least the kid would think about it.
 
2012-06-08 08:42:42 PM  

hubiestubert: Old enough to drink, old enough to vote, might as well be old enough to fight. You want to go that route, then let's go for it.


Hahahaha, LOL, next you're gonna say we should have a draft so everyone's son gets to serve regardless of background.
 
2012-06-08 08:44:18 PM  

cc_rider: Thanks, though I think the author was entirely too kind. He should have asked some Auschwitz survivors how they felt about Goldberg's utterly ridiculous comparisons.


There's more than that one article. It's a whole series of journal pieces explaining why Jonah Goldberg is a doughy pantload.

But we should ask some Auschwitz survivors, too, just for the lulz.
 
2012-06-08 08:45:08 PM  
FTFA: Authoritarian and intolerant speech has been breaking taboos by slowly creeping into the Conservative lexicon.

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2012-06-08 08:53:45 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Vodka Zombie: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Says the man who invented his "no tax pledge" at the age of eleven.

Wrong dude. Norquist was the tax pledge moron. Goldberg is the imbecile who tried labeling liberals as fascist.

I do find it funny when either of them tries to criticize the intellect of others.

Sorry. Doughy white guys all look the same to me.


If you're saying I look like Rush Limbaugh, that hurts, man. That really hurts.
 
2012-06-08 08:54:24 PM  

abb3w: So are a lot of rednecks.
Neither, however, are too stupid to be dangerous as cannon fodder in an armed revolt if they are disenfranchised. Thus, we allow both to vote.


You don't disenfranchise youth by not allowing them to vote, not permanently at least. They'll understand that with age, they'll be allowed to vote.

You can't compare it to not allowing coloured, women, or, rednecks to vote.
 
2012-06-08 08:57:26 PM  

Lorelle: Nah, they're too LAZY to vote.


And were done here.

/Jersey Shore is on, dawg...
 
2012-06-08 09:01:44 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Vodka Zombie: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Says the man who invented his "no tax pledge" at the age of eleven.

Wrong dude. Norquist was the tax pledge moron. Goldberg is the imbecile who tried labeling liberals as fascist.

I do find it funny when either of them tries to criticize the intellect of others.

Sorry. Doughy white guys all look the same to me.

If you're saying I look like Rush Limbaugh, that hurts, man. That really hurts.


Do some situps and stop eating so much pudding.
 
2012-06-08 09:05:07 PM  

theorellior: hubiestubert: Old enough to drink, old enough to vote, might as well be old enough to fight. You want to go that route, then let's go for it.

Hahahaha, LOL, next you're gonna say we should have a draft so everyone's son gets to serve regardless of background.


I'm just saying, that if a kid is too stupid to vote, and too stupid to drink, then why do we allow these knuckleheads to sign up for the military? By Goldberg's reasoning, they can't make that decision, right?

Boils down to it: Goldberg is scared witless that the next generation doesn't give a rat's butt about what he cares for. He and his ilk and their shrieking has been going on long enough, that the kids are inured to it, like a car alarm that just gets tuned out.

And that's the problem.

There ARE legitimate concerns with the President. Those get lost in the constant tirade that would accuse him of being disloyal to the nation if he ate apple pie, and tries to read outrage in his choice of condiments. This constant shrill shrieking doesn't end. And with that, legitimate concerns get lost in the signal to noise ratio. This is the problem with the Justification Machine going 24/7. Folks are used to the constant tirade, and after a while, it just gets tuned out. At least for any thinking person. And that is the real fear--that kids are going to think for themselves. That they might get their ideas from someone else than "approved" sources, and this is where the charges of Fascism on the part of the Radical Right come from: a very real desire to frame ALL debate and ALL discussion in terms of Right and Left, and the converse right and wrong, with that framework in mind. In these folks minds, there are no shades of gray. No compromise. With us, or against us. We're right, they're wrong. Nothing in between.

People like Goldberg have warped the national debate by making politics into a team sport, not about issues or policy. It is this adherence to a party line, that doesn't allow for disagreement, discussion, or compromise. With us, or with Evil. That's it. Nothing in between. And rather than discuss issues, they have to frame it in hyperbolic terms full of ire and invective that do nothing to actually address the issues. My opponent is obviously mad/delusional/evil/socialist/commie/Muslim/wrong, and if they're wrong, I MUST be right by default. And it's this brand of stupidity that has warped the process.

Jonah Goldberg perfectly expresses Backpfeifengesicht. This fatuous asshat is part of the problem.
 
2012-06-08 09:07:42 PM  

xanadian: FTFA: Authoritarian and intolerant speech has been breaking taboos by slowly creeping into the Conservative lexicon.

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"As you know, one of the key points in the GOPAC tapes is that "language matters." In the video "We are a Majority," Language is listed as a key mechanism of control used by a majority party, along with Agenda, Rules, Attitude and Learning. As the tapes have been used in training sessions across the country and mailed to candidates we have heard a plaintive plea: "I wish I could speak like Newt."

That takes years of practice. But, we believe that you could have a significant impact on your campaign and the way you communicate if we help a little. That is why we have created this list of words and phrases."

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2012-06-08 09:08:58 PM  

hubiestubert: Jonah Goldberg perfectly expresses Backpfeifengesicht. This fatuous asshat is part of the problem.


Amen, brother.
 
2012-06-08 09:10:44 PM  

hubiestubert: theorellior: hubiestubert: Old enough to drink, old enough to vote, might as well be old enough to fight. You want to go that route, then let's go for it.

Hahahaha, LOL, next you're gonna say we should have a draft so everyone's son gets to serve regardless of background.

I'm just saying, that if a kid is too stupid to vote, and too stupid to drink, then why do we allow these knuckleheads to sign up for the military? By Goldberg's reasoning, they can't make that decision, right?

Boils down to it: Goldberg is scared witless that the next generation doesn't give a rat's butt about what he cares for. He and his ilk and their shrieking has been going on long enough, that the kids are inured to it, like a car alarm that just gets tuned out.

And that's the problem.

There ARE legitimate concerns with the President. Those get lost in the constant tirade that would accuse him of being disloyal to the nation if he ate apple pie, and tries to read outrage in his choice of condiments. This constant shrill shrieking doesn't end. And with that, legitimate concerns get lost in the signal to noise ratio. This is the problem with the Justification Machine going 24/7. Folks are used to the constant tirade, and after a while, it just gets tuned out. At least for any thinking person. And that is the real fear--that kids are going to think for themselves. That they might get their ideas from someone else than "approved" sources, and this is where the charges of Fascism on the part of the Radical Right come from: a very real desire to frame ALL debate and ALL discussion in terms of Right and Left, and the converse right and wrong, with that framework in mind. In these folks minds, there are no shades of gray. No compromise. With us, or against us. We're right, they're wrong. Nothing in between.

People like Goldberg have warped the national debate by making politics into a team sport, not about issues or policy. It is this adherence to a party line, that doesn't allow for disagreem ...


My god, I love you.
 
2012-06-08 09:13:05 PM  
Youth of the nation not stupid enough to be Jonah Goldberg.
 
2012-06-08 09:22:00 PM  
I hare when some people try to pull this shiat. Maybe the first people to be diqualified to vote should be those that advocate others shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Fark, I just disqualified myself... damn, I meant just those other people, those other people are the problem, not me...

Aww, hell, I'll just say it, shut the hell up Goldberg.
 
2012-06-08 09:22:17 PM  
This is the legacy of Jonah Goldberg and his ilk: Generation Chickenhawk
 
2012-06-08 09:32:29 PM  

jpo2269: I hare when some people try to pull this shiat. Maybe the first people to be diqualified to vote should be those that advocate others shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Fark, I just disqualified myself... damn, I meant just those other people, those other people are the problem, not me...

Aww, hell, I'll just say it, shut the hell up Goldberg.


I just absolutely cannot tolerate people who are intolerant!
 
2012-06-08 09:43:00 PM  

hubiestubert: theorellior: hubiestubert: Old enough to drink, old enough to vote, might as well be old enough to fight. You want to go that route, then let's go for it.

Hahahaha, LOL, next you're gonna say we should have a draft so everyone's son gets to serve regardless of background.

I'm just saying, that if a kid is too stupid to vote, and too stupid to drink, then why do we allow these knuckleheads to sign up for the military? By Goldberg's reasoning, they can't make that decision, right?

Boils down to it: Goldberg is scared witless that the next generation doesn't give a rat's butt about what he cares for. He and his ilk and their shrieking has been going on long enough, that the kids are inured to it, like a car alarm that just gets tuned out.

And that's the problem.

There ARE legitimate concerns with the President. Those get lost in the constant tirade that would accuse him of being disloyal to the nation if he ate apple pie, and tries to read outrage in his choice of condiments. This constant shrill shrieking doesn't end. And with that, legitimate concerns get lost in the signal to noise ratio. This is the problem with the Justification Machine going 24/7. Folks are used to the constant tirade, and after a while, it just gets tuned out. At least for any thinking person. And that is the real fear--that kids are going to think for themselves. That they might get their ideas from someone else than "approved" sources, and this is where the charges of Fascism on the part of the Radical Right come from: a very real desire to frame ALL debate and ALL discussion in terms of Right and Left, and the converse right and wrong, with that framework in mind. In these folks minds, there are no shades of gray. No compromise. With us, or against us. We're right, they're wrong. Nothing in between.

People like Goldberg have warped the national debate by making politics into a team sport, not about issues or policy. It is this adherence to a party line, that doesn't allow for disagreem ...


Will you marry me?
 
2012-06-08 09:51:23 PM  

fusillade762: Will you marry me?


Are you a brunette with nice cans and a cute tush? With a name like Jeff, I technically could marry you in Mass, but I am strictly AC/DC. ;)

You got a sister?
 
2012-06-08 09:54:04 PM  

hubiestubert: fusillade762: Will you marry me?

Are you a brunette with nice cans and a cute tush? With a name like Jeff, I technically could marry you in Mass, but I am strictly AC/DC. ;)

You got a sister?


Hey, I asked first!!!

Also I'm a woman with kind of a big butt, but matching gazongas. But I live in California.
 
2012-06-08 10:03:53 PM  

spawn73: abb3w: So are a lot of rednecks.
Neither, however, are too stupid to be dangerous as cannon fodder in an armed revolt if they are disenfranchised. Thus, we allow both to vote.

You don't disenfranchise youth by not allowing them to vote, not permanently at least. They'll understand that with age, they'll be allowed to vote.

You can't compare it to not allowing coloured, women, or, rednecks to vote.


You'll get a few bites, but you're a little late to the party.
 
2012-06-08 10:06:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Hey, I asked first!!!

Also I'm a woman with kind of a big butt, but matching gazongas. But I live in California.


/makes note to change Gyrfalcon's color...
 
2012-06-08 10:10:44 PM  

hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: Hey, I asked first!!!

Also I'm a woman with kind of a big butt, but matching gazongas. But I live in California.

/makes note to change Gyrfalcon's color...


You have a "big butt" color code too?

Lookin' at you, skullkrusher.
 
2012-06-08 10:12:29 PM  

LasersHurt: hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: Hey, I asked first!!!

Also I'm a woman with kind of a big butt, but matching gazongas. But I live in California.

/makes note to change Gyrfalcon's color...

You have a "big butt" color code too?


Hey, hate The Game man, not the playa

Hate The Game...
 
2012-06-08 10:14:43 PM  

hubiestubert: I'm just saying, that if a kid is too stupid to vote, and too stupid to drink, then why do we allow these knuckleheads to sign up for the military? By Goldberg's reasoning, they can't make that decision, right?

Boils down to it: Goldberg is scared witless that the next generation doesn't give a rat's butt about what he cares for. He and his ilk and their shrieking has been going on long enough, that the kids are inured to it, like a car alarm that just gets tuned out.

And that's the problem.


No, that's just a liberal lie to distract from what is a real problem of ignorance among younger voters. And if you're not a concern troll who pretends to be conservative occasionally to radiate concern, you sure act like one.

Too many youngsters have been indoctrinated into believing that centralized government and socialism can save the world. It just results in bankrupty because cetralized govt interventions don't work. The types of interventions championed by Obama and Pelosi are just the latest in a century's worth of failures. Eventually, after a few more awkward financial collapses, there's some hope that the worlds democracies will wake up before they are all buried in debt.


However, raising the voting age or discouraging young adults from voting won't solve anything, even if the number of idiot voters in that age group is staggering.
 
2012-06-08 10:22:59 PM  

Gyrfalcon: hubiestubert: fusillade762: Will you marry me?

Are you a brunette with nice cans and a cute tush? With a name like Jeff, I technically could marry you in Mass, but I am strictly AC/DC. ;)

You got a sister?

Hey, I asked first!!!

Also I'm a woman with kind of a big butt, but matching gazongas. But I live in California.


You sound hot.
 
2012-06-08 10:27:45 PM  
whoa..was that welll-written? I think that was well written.
 
2012-06-08 10:30:16 PM  

Garet Garrett: the ill-conceived cult of youth in politics.



Unless they vote for Saint Messiah Reagan. Then they're divinely inspired.
 
2012-06-08 10:37:28 PM  

Animatronik: hubiestubert: I'm just saying, that if a kid is too stupid to vote, and too stupid to drink, then why do we allow these knuckleheads to sign up for the military? By Goldberg's reasoning, they can't make that decision, right?

Boils down to it: Goldberg is scared witless that the next generation doesn't give a rat's butt about what he cares for. He and his ilk and their shrieking has been going on long enough, that the kids are inured to it, like a car alarm that just gets tuned out.

And that's the problem.

No, that's just a liberal lie to distract from what is a real problem of ignorance among younger voters. And if you're not a concern troll who pretends to be conservative occasionally to radiate concern, you sure act like one.

Too many youngsters have been indoctrinated into believing that centralized government and socialism can save the world. It just results in bankrupty because cetralized govt interventions don't work. The types of interventions championed by Obama and Pelosi are just the latest in a century's worth of failures. Eventually, after a few more awkward financial collapses, there's some hope that the worlds democracies will wake up before they are all buried in debt.


However, raising the voting age or discouraging young adults from voting won't solve anything, even if the number of idiot voters in that age group is staggering.


The ignorance in general is the problem. How many folks think that the President is a Muslim? How many folks are concerned about the 14th Amendment? How many think that this President is just waiting until his second term to grab all their guns?

That's not just ignorance, it's a lot of lies spread, and folks who are damned gullible are lapping it up.

What do you call socialism? The US Post Office? Public libraries? Those were concepts that the Founders were actually down with.

We DO need to address our spending issues. We DO need to address our taxation issues. But using the dogwhistle of "Socialism" for anything that folks don't like, and "business friendly" when it's spending we DO like isn't doing anyone any favors.

THAT is the problem. This team cheering, as opposed to actual discussion of the issues. Conflating "good for our troops" to be "spending an assload of cash for weapon systems that even the military doesn't really want" is part of that. Conflating family planning with "abortions on demand" is part of the problem. Treating politics as an all or nothing affair is what has us unable to pass much of anything in Congress now.

At some point, we need to stop cheering "our" side, and get down to the hard work of actually compromising and solving some of these issues. Maybe taking a long hard look at what we are spending to incarcerate folks, as opposed to educating them. Maybe taking a long hard look at our energy policy, as well as the subsidies that we give to agribusiness, but no one calls "socialism" since it's tax money going to private business.

Using the "socialism" banner is tired. It is just the next iteration of the Red Scare, and we need to get past that. This isn't a Right or Left issue, this is a problem when you cannot disagree with asinine policies, and let's face it, asshats like Goldberg mucking up the national debate, without getting called RINO or worse.

Reagan couldn't pass the test today. He would lose out on Norquist's own policy hammer, and that is an issue that seems no one likes to talk about. Bob Dole couldn't be elected to office today. Margaret Chase Smith couldn't be elected today. The GOP's intransigence is an issue, and if you bring it up, then loyalty is brought into question. And that is pretty much why I had to leave the party, because there is no more Big Tent. Just enough to cover the Idiot Brigade shouting loud, and saying nothin' while a lot of folks are urging them with scare tactics to shout MOAR LOUDER, and looking to get their votes on subsidies that they won't call socialism, but aiding the elderly is? Worse, aiding the elderly who've paid into the system already, that's terrible, but subsidizing industries that will take their profits overseas and we see very little in return, that's OK?

Yes, Goldberg isn't the only issue, but he does exemplify a dumbing down of rhetoric, and his ilk are why I left the party.
 
2012-06-08 10:39:23 PM  

Animatronik: hubiestubert: I'm just saying, that if a kid is too stupid to vote, and too stupid to drink, then why do we allow these knuckleheads to sign up for the military? By Goldberg's reasoning, they can't make that decision, right?

Boils down to it: Goldberg is scared witless that the next generation doesn't give a rat's butt about what he cares for. He and his ilk and their shrieking has been going on long enough, that the kids are inured to it, like a car alarm that just gets tuned out.

And that's the problem.

No, that's just a liberal lie to distract from what is a real problem of ignorance among younger voters. And if you're not a concern troll who pretends to be conservative occasionally to radiate concern, you sure act like one.

Too many youngsters have been indoctrinated into believing that centralized government and socialism can save the world. It just results in bankrupty because cetralized govt interventions don't work. The types of interventions championed by Obama and Pelosi are just the latest in a century's worth of failures. Eventually, after a few more awkward financial collapses, there's some hope that the worlds democracies will wake up before they are all buried in debt.


However, raising the voting age or discouraging young adults from voting won't solve anything, even if the number of idiot voters in that age group is staggering.


There are also a lot of stupid and ignorant older people on the planet as well. When has completely corrupt capitalism ever led to widespread prosperity? The failures that led to the financial collapse were very carefully engineered by people who turned our economy into the world's biggest casino and installed themselves as the house. When young people rally against capitalism, what they're rallying against is people who even Ayn Rand hates more than poor people: looters. Rent seeking is the single worst thing someone can do in the economic sphere.
 
2012-06-08 10:50:42 PM  

jpo2269: I hare when some people try to pull this shiat. Maybe the first people to be diqualified to vote should be those that advocate others shouldn't be allowed to vote.


Or maybe we shouldn't let people vote if they are so old they won't live to see the ramifications of the decision made by those that are elected. I'd be that would be met with a welcomed response.
 
2012-06-08 10:51:09 PM  

Animatronik: And if you're not a concern troll who pretends to be conservative occasionally to radiate concern, you sure act like one.


Sometimes, after a long while, you meet a conservative who has actually thought about these matters, rather than a Movement Conservative who holds on to his thirteen-year-old black-and-white convictions with white-knuckled intensity. Sometimes that can be disconcerting to people of both liberal and conservative stripe.

And lordamercy, you should be the last one tossing out accusations of playing the ingenue in order to get a thread moving. Care to cry "Stain! Stain upon your fair name!" again, thou tar-coated cast-iron cooking vessel of bubbling hot pitch?
 
2012-06-08 10:56:10 PM  

Cletus C.: Maybe if you can't figure out how to register to vote without someone shoving the form under your nose and filling out everything but your signature for you or does it for you automatically when you get a driver's license, you're too stupid.

Maybe if you can't figure out how to prove you are who you are when you vote, you're too stupid.

Maybe if you can't remember to vote unless someone knocks on your door or calls you with a reminder on election day, you're too stupid.

That's a big demographic.


Maybe if you're an American citizen over age 18 and not a convicted felon you have the right to vote - even if you're stupid.
 
2012-06-08 10:59:57 PM  
Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...
 
2012-06-08 11:03:22 PM  

togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...


So stupid people should not be represented?

/Also, you are just talking out your ass.
//We should institute a law saying ass-talkers can't vote.
 
2012-06-08 11:11:11 PM  

togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...


I've never known intelligence to be age dependent. Intelligence is an innate function, which can be further developed. Perhaps the word you're looking for is ignorance. That too though is tricky territory, since too many assume ignorance/stupidity is the cause of people disagreeing with them.

So really, the problem as I see it, is arrogance. It's arrogant to assume that people who don't agree with you are stupid or ignorant. I know people on the right who I disagree with, but still respect their intelligence. Then there's the teabagger brigade. The types who've been listening to Rush Limbaugh for so long that they can no longer form a rational thought about politics.
 
2012-06-08 11:11:12 PM  
Al Jazeera.... Goldberg..... I thought this was gonna be a chance to bash the criminal apartheid state of Israel. Oh well, this is almost as good.

Those views could be applied to any age group, race ,creed, whatever, in this country. It's not because we're generally stupid people, it's because of television and other outlets for what we hilariously consider the "free press."

We're constantly distracted from things that matter a lot with things that matter significantly less. Yeah, the Trayvon situation is important, regardless of which side you fall on it. It's not even close to making the list of the top 20 issues facing the country today, though, and it's brought up literally every time I watch any local or national news broadcast for more than 10 minutes. I can't remember the last time I saw China or their impending domination of the world mentioned.
 
2012-06-08 11:17:39 PM  

Sabyen91: togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...

So stupid people should not be represented?

/Also, you are just talking out your ass.
//We should institute a law saying ass-talkers can't vote.


Stupid people are already over-represented. They can just suffer for a while till the numbers even out through attrition.

To be fair, although togaman is talking out his ass, I get what he's saying semi-facetiously about requiring an intelligence test to vote. The state of civic awareness in this country is shocking; like hubie was saying, people who seem to think anything left of Moses is OMG SOSHULIZM! are out there voting for President; people who dont' know the Second Amendment from the Second Commandment from the Seventh Inning Stretch are making laws about how we should be allowed to live. The old turn-your-head-and-cough before voting just hasn't served us well in the last 20 years or so.
 
2012-06-08 11:23:55 PM  
The maximum age to vote should be set to to when you are eligible to receive SSA retirement benefits.
 
2012-06-08 11:25:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...

So stupid people should not be represented?

/Also, you are just talking out your ass.
//We should institute a law saying ass-talkers can't vote.

Stupid people are already over-represented. They can just suffer for a while till the numbers even out through attrition.

To be fair, although togaman is talking out his ass, I get what he's saying semi-facetiously about requiring an intelligence test to vote. The state of civic awareness in this country is shocking; like hubie was saying, people who seem to think anything left of Moses is OMG SOSHULIZM! are out there voting for President; people who dont' know the Second Amendment from the Second Commandment from the Seventh Inning Stretch are making laws about how we should be allowed to live. The old turn-your-head-and-cough before voting just hasn't served us well in the last 20 years or so.


The left and right both have people who honestly think stupid people shouldn't vote. They disagree on who the stupid ones are. If I were the arbiter of all things stupid that would be great, slack-jawed teabaggers are out...but in reality large blocks of inner city people would likely be barred because they lack quality education.

/It would never pass any sort of Constitutional muster.

/
 
2012-06-08 11:30:31 PM  

Sabyen91: togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...

So stupid people should not be represented?

/Also, you are just talking out your ass.
//We should institute a law saying ass-talkers can't vote.


Luckily it only took two responses for me to catch my typo - intelligence is age-independent, whereas anyone can be educated on a topic no matter what their age is.

Really though, the important thing to take away is the point that with education, not intelligence, comes the ability to make good choices at the voting booth, and "stupid" people by and large lack such intelligence. I cannot fathom why it would be a good idea to let ignorant people have an equal say as educated people in whatever topic they are knowledgeable.

I should've left it all to Hamilton, like I originally started with. Far greater man than I.
 
2012-06-08 11:34:00 PM  

LectertheChef: togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...

I've never known intelligence to be age dependent. Intelligence is an innate function, which can be further developed. Perhaps the word you're looking for is ignorance. That too though is tricky territory, since too many assume ignorance/stupidity is the cause of people disagreeing with them.

So really, the problem as I see it, is arrogance. It's arrogant to assume that people who don't agree with you are stupid or ignorant. I know people on the right who I disagree with, but still respect their intelligence. Then there's the teabagger brigade. The types who've been listening to Rush Limbaugh for so long that they can no longer form a rational thought about politics.


Bah, like I said in a previous response, the typo was saying age-dependent instead of age-independent. As said, you were spot on. As long as everyone knows what their talking about and can form their opinion thusly, the democratic system will work splendidly.
 
2012-06-08 11:35:00 PM  

togaman5000: Sabyen91: togaman5000: Hamilton had it right - people as a whole tend to be too stupid to trust to vote well. Intelligence is absolutely age-dependent, while education is not. However, the majority of the nation forms opinions on vital topics without having even a moderate education in said topic. Increasing the voting age isn't the answer; instituting exams to vote is.

/I know, I know, discrimination charges and blah blah blah
//In a perfect world though...

So stupid people should not be represented?

/Also, you are just talking out your ass.
//We should institute a law saying ass-talkers can't vote.

Luckily it only took two responses for me to catch my typo - intelligence is age-independent, whereas anyone can be educated on a topic no matter what their age is.

Really though, the important thing to take away is the point that with education, not intelligence, comes the ability to make good choices at the voting booth, and "stupid" people by and large lack such intelligence. I cannot fathom why it would be a good idea to let ignorant people have an equal say as educated people in whatever topic they are knowledgeable.

I should've left it all to Hamilton, like I originally started with. Far greater man than I.


Because they are American citizens.
 
2012-06-08 11:41:13 PM  

abb3w: So are a lot of rednecks.
Neither, however, are too stupid to be dangerous as cannon fodder in an armed revolt if they are disenfranchised. Thus, we allow both to vote.


You got my first ever vote for funny and smart.

/wonders what youth voting rates would be if you could text your vote
 
2012-06-08 11:44:19 PM  
Conservative Jonah Goldberg: 'Youth of the nation are too stupid to vote'

I bet he gets to talk to a lot of young republicans.
 
2012-06-08 11:46:49 PM  

OhioUGrad: abb3w: So are a lot of rednecks.
Neither, however, are too stupid to be dangerous as cannon fodder in an armed revolt if they are disenfranchised. Thus, we allow both to vote.

You got my first ever vote for funny and smart.

/wonders what youth voting rates would be if you could text your vote


I think we should have a talent portion for political campaigns.

/No, it can't be for cannibalizing companies and destroying local economies.
 
2012-06-08 11:47:05 PM  

Rann Xerox: [i78.photobucket.com image 600x330]

/Obligatory


By blowjob that went horribly wrong, I assume you mean she spit it out and hit her own c00nt.
 
2012-06-08 11:55:54 PM  

cc_rider: This is the legacy of Jonah Goldberg and his ilk: Generation Chickenhawk


Regarding some of the medical excuses, asthma as far as I know will get you denied enlistment. There might be a waiver for it, but I'm not sure. They thought I had asthma so I had to take the pulmonary function test twice, once at entry and another time during basic. As for the dude with knee problems, that's too vague to make a judgment. It sounded pretty weak but there might be more to his story. Another guy was at least thinking about the Reserves. Other than that, yes, a lot of weak excuse-making, like Cheney's "I had other priorities" back when his turn was up.

Considering eczema can keep you from joining but a criminal record necessarily doesn't, joining the military can be a hassle. Waivers are applicable to many situations of course, and I think one kid implied one was going to be required for his case, so he backed out of joining. That signals some glibness on his part, because yes, if he wanted to support the war that bad, his recruiter probably did waivers all the time, and all it usually requires on the part of the recruit are some additional medical records and forms to be filled out. If you can't stomach that, then please, don't join the military. You'd be a f*cking rock and worthless to everyone else wearing the uniform. That's the epitome of chickenhawk, imo.
 
2012-06-09 12:07:07 AM  

Sabyen91: OhioUGrad: abb3w: So are a lot of rednecks.
Neither, however, are too stupid to be dangerous as cannon fodder in an armed revolt if they are disenfranchised. Thus, we allow both to vote.

You got my first ever vote for funny and smart.

/wonders what youth voting rates would be if you could text your vote

I think we should have a talent portion for political campaigns.

/No, it can't be for cannibalizing companies and destroying local economies.


Oh you're just begging to open the flood gates for "Who's Your Daddy", "Religions that start with the letter "M", and well if they had a bikini competition...we're all in trouble.
 
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