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(Crooks & Liars)   "Every terrorist on US soil has been a muslim"   (videocafe.crooksandliars.com) divider line 233
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2012-06-08 09:34:03 AM
In other news, Fox News isn't racist, but is #1 with racists.
 
2012-06-08 09:43:56 AM
*cough*

www.truthmedia.8k.com
 
2012-06-08 10:18:49 AM
Eric Bolling is never, ever right about anything related to terrorism (likely anything else, for that matter)

Statement s from this imbecile:

-There were no terrorists attacks during the George W. Bush admin
-He had an envelope that he claimed contained the secret to low priced oil, and would only reveal it if Obama called him personally
-Asked if "Warren Buffet is a socialist"?
 
2012-06-08 10:20:33 AM

Shostie: *cough*

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That certainly is the most obvious one that springs to mind. Prior to 9/11 that was the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil. 168 if I recall.
 
2012-06-08 10:21:03 AM
Every one, except, of course, all the ones who wete not. Like the anthrax guy, the bastard who planted the bomb in WA for MLK day and the guy guy who shot the abortion doctor.

And the bastards in GA collectin ricin with plans to spread it in public areas.

And all the others.

The sad bit is the fact that a large group of Americans are too stupid to remember this. A large group of Americans still fall for all this bullshiat with unquestioning fealty to their right-wing overlords.

And these stupid assholes vote.
 
2012-06-08 10:24:10 AM
So much so, that GW's own Justice Department wrote a report on the domestic "Militia" movements that bore watching for possible threats.

It's terrible how crafty those Muslims are, infiltrating the White Power brigades and the abortion clinic bombers...

Or would you rather say that those folks are just concerned patriots?

Your call, O Brave Pioneers...
 
2012-06-08 10:25:27 AM

Hmm. define "terrorist."

If you want body counts, you can type up the many, many group homicides.

[typed in gang masscre on google news. first hit]

The recent surge in violence that left 10 dead in Chicago during the Memorial Day weekend underscores a continuing national struggle to control criminal gangs whose numbers continue to grow even as violent crime has declined throughout much of the nation.

Of the 200 murders in Chicago so far this year - up from 139 at the same time last year - local police said that about 80% were gang-related in a city whose gang membership is estimated at more than 100,000.

"We're trying to get our arms around it," said Robert Tracy, Chicago's chief of crime control strategies. "We're trying everything."

Tracy attributes much of the violence to a rapidly-changing gang structure in which young members of the city's established 59 gangs have splintered into more than 600 subgroups, all seeking to assert their authority.


Need it to be politically related? Seriously. The 20th century is filled with this. Yes, not only in the 1970's.

Everyone is going to want to put up pictures of McVeigh, but theres even more going on than that.
 
2012-06-08 10:29:43 AM

What? ............. I don't even. this makes no sense.

Wikipedia.

In the 1850s, John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery. Brown led a series of attacks between 1856 and 1859, the most famous in 1859 against the armory at Harpers Ferry. Local forces soon recaptured the fort and Brown was tried and executed for treason.[37] A biographer of Brown has written that his purpose was "to force the nation into a new political pattern by creating terror."[38]


[head explode .gif]
 
2012-06-08 10:30:08 AM
lol wut?
 
2012-06-08 10:34:02 AM
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2012-06-08 10:34:24 AM
The Federal Bureau of Investigation suspected Dr. Bruce Ivins of being behind the 2001 anthrax attacks. Jim David Adkisson was accused of killing two people and wounding seven others at a Tennessee church in 2008 because he wanted to kill liberals and Democrats. Anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder was convicted of the 2009 murder of Dr. George Tiller. White supremacist James W. von Brunn killed a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in 2010. And Andrew Joseph Stack flew a plane into a Texas office building in 2010, possibly targeting the Internal Revenue Service.

Yeah yeah, but, you see, all those were just misguided, loving Christians who just wanted to do the right thing by God in their eyes... they aren't really "Terrorists".
 
2012-06-08 10:34:26 AM
I guess one doesn't count as a terrorist if they mail it in?

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2012-06-08 10:34:50 AM

Party Boy: Everyone is going to want to put up pictures of McVeigh, but theres even more going on than that.


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2012-06-08 10:36:52 AM

FormlessOne: In other news, Fox News isn't racist, but is #1 with racists.


Not racist, but #1 with racists, and #1 at hiring racists to be the faces of their programming.
 
2012-06-08 10:37:22 AM
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the first part of that sentence is no longer true.
 
2012-06-08 10:37:33 AM

downstairs: I guess one doesn't count as a terrorist if they mail it in?

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Wow, I haven't seen that picture. He looks WAY more sane than in that crazy mugshot.
 
2012-06-08 10:41:31 AM

Party Boy: Need it to be politically related?


Politically or religious, I would say. That's what the term seems to have come to mean to most. By that definition McVeigh and Breivek most certainly fit the definition, but gang violence does not. It also seems to have come to be defined by quantity as well. If a Christian man shoots a Jewish man, it's just crime. If he blows up a synogauge and kills 5 people it's terrorism.

It's a bit of a grey area I guess.
 
2012-06-08 10:44:13 AM
Every terrorist on US soil has been a Muslim, except the ones that weren't
 
2012-06-08 10:47:19 AM

kingoomieiii: downstairs: I guess one doesn't count as a terrorist if they mail it in?

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Wow, I haven't seen that picture. He looks WAY more sane than in that crazy mugshot.


I just picked a random shot from Google Images, but I've seen it before. I think its from when he was a professor or whatever.
 
2012-06-08 10:47:32 AM
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2012-06-08 10:50:54 AM
Even Juan Williams was like LOL WUT?

"How is it every terrorist on American soil has been a Muslim?" Bolling wondered.

"Wait a second," Williams shot back. "You mean to say Oklahoma City [bombing] was conducted by a Muslim?"

"In the last 15 years," Bolling added.
 
2012-06-08 10:51:08 AM
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2012-06-08 10:54:35 AM
Every terrorist on American soil has been a Muslim

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At first I was like


In the last 15 years.

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But then I
 
2012-06-08 10:58:43 AM
I see pretty much all the angles have been covered, carry on.
 
2012-06-08 10:59:17 AM

vernonFL: In the last 15 years.


It's STILL not farking true. IRS guy, those militia guys who planned to kill a cop and then kill everyone who attended his funeral, etc.
 
2012-06-08 11:00:11 AM

nekom: but gang violence does not.


I bet i could make an intense argument for political motivations for gangland killings through power consilidation and intimidation.

Its employing a racist trope to say that these coordinated killings are incapable of intense political elements. Its just not the politics you (collective internet denziens) see and its not involving the politics you (collective internet denziens) care about..
 
2012-06-08 11:00:50 AM
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2012-06-08 11:01:30 AM
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2012-06-08 11:03:15 AM

Party Boy: I bet i could make an intense argument for political motivations for gangland killings through power consilidation and intimidation.

Its employing a racist trope to say that these coordinated killings are incapable of intense political elements. Its just not the politics you (collective internet denziens) see and its not involving the politics you (collective internet denziens) care about..


There's certainly an argument to be made, no doubt there are politics within gangs and drug rings, but still most people would not call them terrorists. A word gets defined by what the majority of people think it means and that does change over time. In a way, it's a moot point, crime is crime whatever the motivation or death toll.
 
2012-06-08 11:04:19 AM
When did the GOP convert to Islam?
 
2012-06-08 11:04:45 AM

nekom: but still most people would not call them terrorists.


Would you take this guy's actions and call them terrorism?

Party Boy: In the 1850s, John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery. Brown led a series of attacks between 1856 and 1859, the most famous in 1859 against the armory at Harpers Ferry. Local forces soon recaptured the fort and Brown was tried and executed for treason.[37] A biographer of Brown has written that his purpose was "to force the nation into a new political pattern by creating terror."[38]

 
2012-06-08 11:09:07 AM

Party Boy: John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery.


John Brown was a terrorist. Then again, so was Nelson Mandela.
 
2012-06-08 11:12:11 AM

vernonFL: Party Boy: John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery.

John Brown was a terrorist. Then again, so was Nelson Mandela.


Fair enough, though its certainly a bit painful to say it considering the term and how we use it.


Its definitely important to examine the tropes associated with how we construct the term. Well, especially important, considering the TFA and what it reflects.
 
2012-06-08 11:13:48 AM
Those are all criminals not terrorists.
 
2012-06-08 11:13:56 AM
There are certainly violent political actions that arent enacted at the state level. Sometimes this is considerably more local. Sometimes the boundaries are ethnic. There is a scalar component here regarding politics
 
2012-06-08 11:15:59 AM

Party Boy: Would you take this guy's actions and call them terrorism?

Party Boy: In the 1850s, John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery. Brown led a series of attacks between 1856 and 1859, the most famous in 1859 against the armory at Harpers Ferry. Local forces soon recaptured the fort and Brown was tried and executed for treason.[37] A biographer of Brown has written that his purpose was "to force the nation into a new political pattern by creating terror."[38]


I probably would, as it was politically motivated. I think my definition of terrorism would be a politically or religiously motivated attack which kills more than one person. Not sure WHY that's my definition really but that's really what I go by when using the word.
 
2012-06-08 11:17:38 AM

nekom: I probably would, as it was politically motivated. I think my definition of terrorism would be a politically or religiously motivated attack which kills more than one person. Not sure WHY that's my definition really but that's really what I go by when using the word.


Fair enough. Youll probably want to denote the level of scale for the definition of politics. Sometimes, its much more local than fomenting change at a state level. Sometimes its at the neighborhood level.
 
2012-06-08 11:20:55 AM

nekom: religiously motivated


Also, you might want to (perhaps - a suggestion) open this to a much broader term like ethnicity. Social, common heritage, language, religious ties, or any way a group of people come to understand themselves as ethnically distinct from the wider social landscape.
 
2012-06-08 11:29:09 AM

Party Boy: Also, you might want to (perhaps - a suggestion) open this to a much broader term like ethnicity. Social, common heritage, language, religious ties, or any way a group of people come to understand themselves as ethnically distinct from the wider social landscape.


I think those all fit into politics in a way. As long as it's broad politics. I mean, if someone shoots up his workplace that might be because of workplace politics, not really broad enough to call that terrorism. If that makes any sense. It really is a tough word to put a direct definition to. Almost like pornography, you just know it when you see it.
 
2012-06-08 11:29:09 AM
So according to Bolling, Timothy McVeigh was a brave warrior, fighting for smaller government?

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2012-06-08 11:29:45 AM
Would you say that Rep. Peter King (R-NY) was a Catholic terrorist?

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I would
 
2012-06-08 11:30:41 AM

Party Boy: vernonFL: Party Boy: John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery.

John Brown was a terrorist. Then again, so was Nelson Mandela.

Fair enough, though its certainly a bit painful to say it considering the term and how we use it.


Its definitely important to examine the tropes associated with how we construct the term. Well, especially important, considering the TFA and what it reflects.


It is, although, it is important to remember... Terrorists always believe that what they are doing at that moment is furthering a RIGHTOUS cause (at least in their mind, and usually in the mind of some others).

The fact that Mandela or Brown's cause's were seen by the majority of the world as "for good" in the long run doesn't change the fact that they had the same mindset as any Muslim terrorists, or Anti-Abortion terrorists, or anti-government terrorists, etc. Human progress eventually determines if it was a "worthy use of terror".
 
2012-06-08 11:37:09 AM
Fox News co-host Eric Bolling on Wednesday defended the New York Police Department's spying program that targets Muslims by claiming that "every terrorist on American soil has been a Muslim."

On Fox News' The Five, Bolling dismissed a lawsuit filed by Muslim Advocates, a legal rights group, because "the people that had their constitutional rights violated the most were the 9/11 victims, the 3,000 who were killed by 19 hijackers who happened all to be Muslims."


To be fair, Eric Bolling is a New Yorker.

They think "US soil" begins at the East River and ends at the Hudson.
 
2012-06-08 11:41:03 AM

nekom: I think those all fit into politics in a way. As long as it's broad politics. I mean, if someone shoots up his workplace that might be because of workplace politics, not really broad enough to call that terrorism. If that makes any sense. It really is a tough word to put a direct definition to. Almost like pornography, you just know it when you see it.


Sounds like you have an argument for your level of scale. Ok.


dletter: Terrorists always believe that what they are doing at that moment is furthering a RIGHTOUS cause (at least in their mind, and usually in the mind of some others).


The ideological argument. Interesting. Usually on here people go with the materialist argument on political actions.

No mix for you? All ideological?
 
2012-06-08 11:42:58 AM

Party Boy: What? ............. I don't even. this makes no sense.

Wikipedia.

In the 1850s, John Brown (1800-1859) was an abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed opposition to slavery. Brown led a series of attacks between 1856 and 1859, the most famous in 1859 against the armory at Harpers Ferry. Local forces soon recaptured the fort and Brown was tried and executed for treason.[37] A biographer of Brown has written that his purpose was "to force the nation into a new political pattern by creating terror."[38]

[head explode .gif]


What's confusing? John Brown was morally right, but his methods were effectively terrorism.

At one point he concocted a plot to place arms caches along the north-south border, so that abolitionsts and liberated slaves could access them and use them to attack southern slave owners.

I suppose you could look at his method as intended to directly liberate slaves, but there is no question he also intended to send a message to the south.

That's what terrorism is.
 
2012-06-08 11:43:51 AM
... in fact, I think that was his plan in attacking Harper's Ferry, to secure arms for that plot.
 
2012-06-08 11:46:42 AM

gilgigamesh: What's confusing? John Brown was morally right, but his methods were effectively terrorism.


The current tropes associated with terrorism dont conflict with how it is extended historically for you? It certainly would for others.
 
2012-06-08 11:50:21 AM

FlashHarry: the first part of that sentence is no longer true.


Religious ethnocentricism technically isn't "racism".
It is, however, bigotry.
 
2012-06-08 11:51:12 AM

Party Boy: gilgigamesh: What's confusing? John Brown was morally right, but his methods were effectively terrorism.

The current tropes associated with terrorism dont conflict with how it is extended historically for you? It certainly would for others.


What?

Dumb it down for me, Party Boy. Let's say a 6th grade reading level. It's early and I have a hang over.
 
2012-06-08 11:51:26 AM

Party Boy: nekom: I think those all fit into politics in a way. As long as it's broad politics. I mean, if someone shoots up his workplace that might be because of workplace politics, not really broad enough to call that terrorism. If that makes any sense. It really is a tough word to put a direct definition to. Almost like pornography, you just know it when you see it.

Sounds like you have an argument for your level of scale. Ok.


dletter: Terrorists always believe that what they are doing at that moment is furthering a RIGHTOUS cause (at least in their mind, and usually in the mind of some others).

The ideological argument. Interesting. Usually on here people go with the materialist argument on political actions.

No mix for you? All ideological?


If they are a "hired hand", I guess there could be some materialist argument, I guess I am more going with the people who would be willing to commit suicide (definitely, or if it came to that) to prove their point. Obviously at that point, it isn't about materialistic things (although, I guess if believed THAT strongly in heaven and you were getting 77 virgins, that is materialistic too).

Just going over all of the examples... every one of them did what they did because they felt they had to further progress to "Right a wrong" or "get rid of a wrong" (slavery, abortion, U.S. Government overreach, Western Culture, Liberals, etc). You could even argue throwing something like Columbine in that list, if you consider their perceived wrong "High school pricks". That is the ultimate "ideology" I am referring to.
 
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