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(The Daily Caller)   Labor Dept. counts garbage men as "green jobs." Hey, trash bags are green   (dailycaller.com) divider line 64
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2012-06-08 10:43:32 AM  
imokwiththis.jpg
 
2012-06-08 11:17:27 AM  
And this outrage means what exactly?
 
2012-06-08 11:18:46 AM  
Mine are purple
 
2012-06-08 11:19:58 AM  
I don't know, kind of makes sense.
 
2012-06-08 11:20:42 AM  
Many garbage jobs now also include a recycle pick up which would make it a GREEN job.
 
2012-06-08 11:21:07 AM  
I'm ok with that.

Not so sure about this:


REP. ISSA: OK. I apologize. The real last last is, how about an oil lobbyist? Wouldn't an oil lobbyist count as having a green job if they are engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
 
2012-06-08 11:21:40 AM  
Hey, trash bags are green

For God's sake, tell my kids. They are convinced that green trash bags are actually black, and they laugh at me for calling them green. But I know I'm right, and I'll never give in.
 
2012-06-08 11:21:52 AM  
He testified that a bus driver was a green job... and so was the person putting the gas in the bus. He also testified that someone working in a 2nd hand record store counted as a green job.

Talk about stretching the definition. Wow.
 
2012-06-08 11:22:55 AM  
Hmmm...

Duplicity in definitions of "green jobs" by an administration advocating a concept that has little meaning or economic viability.

Color me surprised.

How about we try this for once--just stop lying. I think we all know a "green job" would be something like everyone working in a solar panel factory, not a garbage man or used book dealer.

And politicians wonder why we doubt everything they say and do.
 
2012-06-08 11:24:01 AM  
A hospital janitor works in health care. A hotel janitor works in hospitality. An airplane janitor works in aviation.

A solar panel factory janitor has a green job. This one is the bad one.
 
2012-06-08 11:25:38 AM  

fickenchucker: How about we try this for once--just stop lying.


What are they lying about? Would the environment be better if we just let trash gather on the streets?
 
2012-06-08 11:27:20 AM  
Juking the stats
 
2012-06-08 11:27:50 AM  
On this day, my last hope for humanity dies.
 
2012-06-08 11:29:29 AM  
So the trash men are actually jobs?
 
2012-06-08 11:30:13 AM  

Wendy's Chili: What are they lying about?


Go watch the testimony before commenting. See some of the jobs that this administration considers "green".
 
2012-06-08 11:30:33 AM  
Mine are white, does that mean they are absence of color? Or the combination of all color?

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2012-06-08 11:31:47 AM  
Garbage men work to dispose of trash properly, often handling recycling as well as disposal. But even without recycling, if there were no garbage men, the garbage would build up... Where? Class? That's right, in the environment.

My god, I didn't realize the Republicans' war on 'green' included the word 'green'. Here's a job that, by its nature, can be considered good for the environment, and now we want to argue about THAT? I guess we can't have things that are 'good' for the environment, because that means there must be things that are bad for the environment. Why not just argue there is no environment, put up the Mission Accomplished banner, and be done with it?
 
2012-06-08 11:32:38 AM  

fickenchucker: I think we all know a "green job" would be something like everyone working in a solar panel factory, not a garbage man or used book dealer.


I too wonder why we don't use the fickenchucker "green job" reference guide when deciding these things.
 
2012-06-08 11:33:25 AM  
fox news told me to be outraged so I am outraged!
 
2012-06-08 11:34:12 AM  

RobotSpider: if there were no garbage men, the garbage would build up... Where? Class? That's right, in the environment.


So the garbage men tow it all outside the environment for us?
 
2012-06-08 11:36:05 AM  
The issue is redefining "green job", not how someone interprets it. "Engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues" would just need to be changed to "engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues in favor of a cleaner, healthier environment".

The whole used record store, antique dealer is just classified as "resale/reuse/recycle"... hell that makes half of craigslist green.

The only thing that can be gained from the current definition is statistical data for green jobs.. unless there's some kind of bonus given to any and all persons that can claim to have a green job get some kind of bonus pay (cus face it, if it were just a tax break, the GOP would be all for it) ... so really it seems that by wasting the time and money (to have everyone gathered) nitpicking over the definition of what a "green job" is, is to discredit any campaigning that would boast "so many green jobs added".... So we're using congressional oversight committees as political anti-campaign platforms?
Why aren't these used, then, for blatant lies, rather than vague definitions?
 
2012-06-08 11:36:38 AM  
i have a green life style. I don't do anything all day and I don't start that until noon. Less CO2 by less heavy breathing. No CO driving to a job that pays taxes.
 
2012-06-08 11:39:18 AM  

Wendy's Chili: fickenchucker: How about we try this for once--just stop lying.

What are they lying about? Would the environment be better if we just let trash gather on the streets?


Subby? Can you please explain to chili why this is is bigger than just calling trash collectors green jorbs?

Fickenfark RTA!

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2012-06-08 11:40:38 AM  
Garbagemen clean up garbage, which is absolutely "green" unless you're an idiot.
 
2012-06-08 11:41:14 AM  
used-record store clerks and school bus drivers.....antique shop clerks

uhhhmmm, somebody is fudging the numbers.
 
2012-06-08 11:42:21 AM  
shovel ready like a mother farker
 
2012-06-08 11:46:06 AM  
If a diesel bus is scrapped in favor of a new electric bus is the driver counted as a green job created.....do they count the loss of the fossil fuel bus driver or are they counting jobs twice.......its the same guy doing the job, the bus has changed.
 
2012-06-08 11:47:32 AM  
Hauling organic material to a landfill and burying it is carbon sequestration. So, yeah, your garbage man has a very green job indeed.
 
2012-06-08 11:48:54 AM  
Subby counts to potato. That counts as a green job.
 
2012-06-08 11:50:21 AM  
At one time, I thought I was green until the EPA declared the expelled CO2 from my lungs a pollutant. Now my existence hurts the earth. I haz a sad
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-08 11:50:40 AM  
The ones in my area do the recycling, and they collect yard waste, which will be used to produce bio-fuels soon.
 
2012-06-08 11:51:47 AM  

Semantic Warrior: The issue is redefining "green job", not how someone interprets it. "Engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues" would just need to be changed to "engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues in favor of a cleaner, healthier environment".

The whole used record store, antique dealer is just classified as "resale/reuse/recycle"... hell that makes half of craigslist green.

The only thing that can be gained from the current definition is statistical data for green jobs.. unless there's some kind of bonus given to any and all persons that can claim to have a green job get some kind of bonus pay (cus face it, if it were just a tax break, the GOP would be all for it) ... so really it seems that by wasting the time and money (to have everyone gathered) nitpicking over the definition of what a "green job" is, is to discredit any campaigning that would boast "so many green jobs added".... So we're using congressional oversight committees as political anti-campaign platforms?
Why aren't these used, then, for blatant lies, rather than vague definitions?


Are you saying they aren't? You don't see that these definitions are specifically being broadened, fudged, and lied about specifically for political capital to be used to influence thought and perception?

The Global County Fair where a voice every few feet screams out claiming to cure whatever ails you, our politicians have become the spokesmen, financiers of all these ideas and we sit back spewing beer and pretzles on the proverbial TV when our team isn't winning.

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2012-06-08 11:52:12 AM  

doubled99: Garbagemen clean up garbage, which is absolutely "green" unless you're an idiotRepublican.


FTFY
 
2012-06-08 11:52:44 AM  

whatsupchuck: Hauling organic material to a landfill and burying it is carbon sequestration. So, yeah, your garbage man has a very green job indeed.




That's incredibly disingenuous. Politically speaking the concept of green jobs is to show a shift from the status quo. Redefining jobs that already existed is fibbing at best, outright lying at worst.


I'm all for the government seed funding for viable technology shifts, just don't lie about reality.
 
2012-06-08 11:56:05 AM  
Please don't let kids that work in record stores know they have green jobs. They already feel 'entitled' enough, we don't want to go adding to that.
 
2012-06-08 11:56:10 AM  

fickenchucker: whatsupchuck: Hauling organic material to a landfill and burying it is carbon sequestration. So, yeah, your garbage man has a very green job indeed.



That's incredibly disingenuous. Politically speaking the concept of green jobs is to show a shift from the status quo. Redefining jobs that already existed is fibbing at best, outright lying at worst.


I'm all for the government seed funding for viable technology shifts, just don't lie about reality.


So you're saying that green jobs never existed until just recently? Interesting.
 
2012-06-08 11:56:19 AM  

fickenchucker: That's incredibly disingenuous. Politically speaking the concept of green jobs is to show a shift from the status quo. Redefining jobs that already existed is fibbing at best, outright lying at worst.


Are you saying we never did ANYTHING green before?

ANYTHING???

Why do we have to start at zero to show an increase? Have you no concept of a baseline value?
 
2012-06-08 11:59:19 AM  

RobotSpider: Garbage men work to dispose of trash properly, often handling recycling as well as disposal. But even without recycling, if there were no garbage men, the garbage would build up... Where? Class? That's right, in the environment.

My god, I didn't realize the Republicans' war on 'green' included the word 'green'. Here's a job that, by its nature, can be considered good for the environment, and now we want to argue about THAT? I guess we can't have things that are 'good' for the environment, because that means there must be things that are bad for the environment. Why not just argue there is no environment, put up the Mission Accomplished banner, and be done with it?


I'm a DBA. I convert paper data to digital. Since I reduce paper usage, and that saves trees, is my job considered a green job?
 
2012-06-08 12:00:17 PM  

fickenchucker: That's incredibly disingenuous. Politically speaking the concept of green jobs is to show a shift from the status quo. Redefining jobs that already existed is fibbing at best, outright lying at worst.


I'm all for the government seed funding for viable technology shifts, just don't lie about reality.


...as you deny the reality of green jobs that have already existed...
 
2012-06-08 12:00:53 PM  
This is silly but it doesn't bother me at all. I mean my job is a "green job" under this because I work for art galleries that resale art. I also sell stuff at a swap meet so that is another "green job". Of course they want to pad the stats to use them to make themselves look better or to promote a narrative. And of course the other side is going to try to make a big deal out of it to make themselves look better. This is politics, I wouldn't expect any less from either.
 
2012-06-08 12:13:59 PM  

damitjim: He testified that a bus driver was a green job... and so was the person putting the gas in the bus. He also testified that someone working in a 2nd hand record store counted as a green job.

Talk about stretching the definition. Wow.


I really don't have a problem with defining a green job in any way that they want to. If it results in a job that burns trash in an incinerator being classified as a green job, then so be it.

The problem is that they set the definition to show that X number of "green jobs" were created during the Obama administration. I'm pretty sure that not one of the "green jobs" that was "created" by having an existing job redefined was put into the "job loss" column in the industry it was robbed from.
 
2012-06-08 12:17:03 PM  

JerseyTim: imokwiththis.jpg


This.

Our garbage men also cart away the recycling.
 
2012-06-08 12:18:00 PM  
I'd like a "green job" if you know what I mean.



/ Sure hope that's a euphemism for sex
 
2012-06-08 12:18:34 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: I really don't have a problem with defining a green job in any way that they want to.


Seriously? A kid in a used record store a green job and you're ok with that definition? You are part of the problem. Do or say anything to advance the lie.
 
2012-06-08 12:18:55 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: damitjim: He testified that a bus driver was a green job... and so was the person putting the gas in the bus. He also testified that someone working in a 2nd hand record store counted as a green job.

Talk about stretching the definition. Wow.


The problem is that they set the definition to show that X number of "green jobs" were created during the Obama administration. I'm pretty sure that not one of the "green jobs" that was "created" by having an existing job redefined was put into the "job loss" column in the industry it was robbed from.


THIS.
 
2012-06-08 12:27:22 PM  

vpb: The ones in my area do the recycling, and they collect yard waste, which will be used to produce bio-fuels soon.



My company recycles 1000's of tons of material per month and gets paid very well for it. We provide "Zero Landfill" services, taking the non-recyclable waste to trash to energy plants etc... it's all possible now.

It's just going to take time before people really get to a point of making the changes in actions. Fear and penalty is the worst motivator of all time.

Incentivize people and they will follow the carrot.
 
2012-06-08 12:28:18 PM  

Tellingthem: This is silly but it doesn't bother me at all. I mean my job is a "green job" under this because I work for art galleries that resale art. I also sell stuff at a swap meet so that is another "green job". Of course they want to pad the stats to use them to make themselves look better or to promote a narrative. And of course the other side is going to try to make a big deal out of it to make themselves look better. This is politics, I wouldn't expect any less from either.


The Labor department and Obama have been spurting how many Green jobs have been created, if you asked the average American what a green job was they'd probably think Manufacturing (Solar, Wind, LED lightbulbs) or something along those lines, they would not think an antiques dealer would be considered a Green job. The labor department and government has been spending money on creating Green jobs. They use statistics like these to show how well they've done at creating those jobs. So if you do the math we spent x boosting Green jobs and were able to add y jobs at a cost of z per job. Well when a huge portion of the jobs are borderline not green or in no way are impacted by Green legislation that is deceptive because the labor department didn't help create those jobs, so the true cost for creating true Green jobs was higher.

This is the House oversight committee, quite frankly they should be calling BS and so should everyone else who has a vested interest. Republican's to show how the democrats are deceiving people. Democrats because what they were promised, Green jobs, and told what was created, Green jobs, were basically bus drivers, garbage men, and oil lobbyists not jobs making Solar panels like what is inferred at any Green jobs discussion.
 
2012-06-08 12:29:35 PM  

Carousel Beast: RobotSpider: Garbage men work to dispose of trash properly, often handling recycling as well as disposal. But even without recycling, if there were no garbage men, the garbage would build up... Where? Class? That's right, in the environment.

My god, I didn't realize the Republicans' war on 'green' included the word 'green'. Here's a job that, by its nature, can be considered good for the environment, and now we want to argue about THAT? I guess we can't have things that are 'good' for the environment, because that means there must be things that are bad for the environment. Why not just argue there is no environment, put up the Mission Accomplished banner, and be done with it?

I'm a DBA. I convert paper data to digital. Since I reduce paper usage, and that saves trees, is my job considered a green job?


yes and where are you? I have need for a good independent company for doc scanning.
 
2012-06-08 12:33:00 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: fickenchucker: That's incredibly disingenuous. Politically speaking the concept of green jobs is to show a shift from the status quo. Redefining jobs that already existed is fibbing at best, outright lying at worst.


I'm all for the government seed funding for viable technology shifts, just don't lie about reality.

...as you deny the reality of green jobs that have already existed...


You think accepting a disingenuous political lie above reality is a good idea?

As I said, we're talking about the increase of "green jobs" and the concept of shifting from a dirtier status quo, not redefining jobs to show a false picture.

But believe whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.
 
2012-06-08 12:35:25 PM  

GT_bike: Carousel Beast: RobotSpider: Garbage men work to dispose of trash properly, often handling recycling as well as disposal. But even without recycling, if there were no garbage men, the garbage would build up... Where? Class? That's right, in the environment.

My god, I didn't realize the Republicans' war on 'green' included the word 'green'. Here's a job that, by its nature, can be considered good for the environment, and now we want to argue about THAT? I guess we can't have things that are 'good' for the environment, because that means there must be things that are bad for the environment. Why not just argue there is no environment, put up the Mission Accomplished banner, and be done with it?

I'm a DBA. I convert paper data to digital. Since I reduce paper usage, and that saves trees, is my job considered a green job?

yes and where are you? I have need for a good independent company for doc scanning.


Good luck with that. I stay away from our Documentum team as much as possible. Holy crap that's a thankless gig.

We actually have an expert in from CA because we couldn't find someone competent locally.

On topic, I don't consider my job green - I consume a lot of electricity that paper in a cabinet just doesn't .But, my job can have a green component to it by adjusting it to a smaller footprint, which is something I've been doing for years and will continue to do as long as I'm in charge of things. Similarly, garbage men may be collecting recyclables, but that doesn't make their entire job a green one. This is just artificial inflation of numbers for political purposes.
 
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