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(USA Today)   A group of fat-cat, mollycoddled Wal-Mart workers is leading a union-backed jihad against Wal-Mart's right to earn a profit   (usatoday.com) divider line 100
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2012-06-08 10:32:59 AM
Walmart spokesman David Tovar says about 300,000 U.S. workers have been with the company more than 10 years. He says that shows how many are happy with their jobs.

LOL
 
2012-06-08 10:33:37 AM
You gotta hand it to News Corp, getting Joe Sixpack to be more upset over teacher salaries than wall street bailouts continues to be a propaganda coup of epic proportions.
 
2012-06-08 10:35:12 AM
I can't wait until somebody stops by to explain why workers grouping together to form a structured bargaining unit that can represent a whole in the same way that executives and managers inherently have their own bargaining unit is a Bad Thing.

/ it's only fair when rich people leverage their strengths!
 
2012-06-08 10:38:16 AM
Walmart spokesman David Tovar

Kill yourself.
 
2012-06-08 10:57:05 AM
$11/hour for a front end manager? Wow. That's shiatty.
That said, you know what I'd do if my job didn't pay enough to cover my bills? Get a better paying job. You know what I wouldn't do? Go whine to the papers.
 
2012-06-08 11:00:46 AM

Honest Bender: $11/hour for a front end manager? Wow. That's shiatty.
That said, you know what I'd do if my job didn't pay enough to cover my bills? Get a better paying job. You know what I wouldn't do? Go whine to the papers.


They are trying to get a better job by making the position they currently hold better.

\Go fark yourself with a broken off pool cue.
 
2012-06-08 11:08:09 AM

max_pooper: They are trying to get a better job by making the position they currently hold better.

\Go fark yourself with a broken off pool cue.


Nobody is making them work at Wal-Mart.

I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.
 
2012-06-08 11:11:27 AM

max_pooper: \Go fark yourself with a broken off pool cue.


Your response is a little disproportionate to what I said... I even agreed that she was being paid crap. Show me on the doll where the bad manager touched you.
 
2012-06-08 11:12:20 AM

slayer199: Those are the choices at any income level.


Your refusal to acknowledge the third option that is clearly on the table does not invalidate it.
 
2012-06-08 11:13:45 AM
Then maybe they should go to college and get a job somewhere other than Walmart.
 
2012-06-08 11:17:29 AM

Honest Bender: $11/hour for a front end manager? Wow. That's shiatty.
That said, you know what I'd do if my job didn't pay enough to cover my bills? Get a better paying job. You know what I wouldn't do? Go whine to the papers.


Option C: Try to change the environment not just for myself but for others. Honest Bender only looks out for one person, and that is Honest Bender.
 
2012-06-08 11:17:33 AM
How dare employees organize themselves in a way to achieve the same economies of scale that their employer has.

Its like an affront to capitalism or something.
 
2012-06-08 11:18:24 AM
slayer199: I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.

When I read your comment, I immediately thought, "This person is a self-described libertarian who works in either engineering or IT." You're easy to spot.
 
2012-06-08 11:18:36 AM
Story: the working poor have a hard time getting by in America. Fark Solution™: stop being poor!
 
2012-06-08 11:18:44 AM

Splinshints: Your refusal to acknowledge the third option that is clearly on the table does not invalidate it.


Oh, by the third option you mean acquiring skills/education that may make me more employable and at higher wages?
 
2012-06-08 11:19:32 AM

curlyfries: slayer199: I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.

When I read your comment, I immediately thought, "This person is a self-described libertarian who works in either engineering or IT." You're easy to spot.


Doesn't refute my point...but thanks for pointing it out.
 
2012-06-08 11:20:10 AM

mantabulous: Story: the working poor have a hard time getting by in America. Fark Solution™: stop being poor!


perhaps by raising their taxes, we can give them an incentive to no longer be poor!
 
2012-06-08 11:20:47 AM

slayer199: max_pooper: They are trying to get a better job by making the position they currently hold better.

\Go fark yourself with a broken off pool cue.

Nobody is making them work at Wal-Mart.

I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.


Those are not the only choices. You can keeping asking for a raise until you get it. You can also use your first amendment right to expose the terrible working conditions you work under to try to guilt your employer into fair working conditions. You can also use your first amendment right to organize a group of like minded employees to combine your assets and bargaining power to negotiate a better contract.

You seem like a pussy who just gives up. Fortunately for the rest of us, there are enough people in the country fighting for fairness that many companies offer fair wages and good working conditions not out of the kindness of their hearts but because of labor laws and because they are scared of lawsuits and unionization.
 
2012-06-08 11:21:10 AM

curlyfries: slayer199: I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.

When I read your comment, I immediately thought, "This person is a self-described libertarian tax cheat who works in either engineering or IT." You're easy to spot.


FTFY
 
2012-06-08 11:26:08 AM

rooftop235: Then maybe they should go to college and get a job somewhere other than Walmart.


If everyone wen to law school who would work at Walmart? In any economy, for there to be rich people there have to be poor people. It does not matter how well educated the populace is, there will always be people who scrub toilets and dig ditches. As a society we have decided that those low income employees who are an absolute necessity deserve a minimum living standard. Republicans are constantly fighting to make the minimum living standard lower and lower. This is one of the many reasons I would never vote for a Republican.
 
2012-06-08 11:30:32 AM

Brontes: Option C: Try to change the environment not just for myself but for others. Honest Bender only looks out for one person, and that is Honest Bender.


Honest Bender doesn't need you! Honest Bender doesn't need anyone! RAWR!

That's awful nice of you to expend hours of your time and years of your life trying to elevate the noble profession of Walmart front-end manager, but I prefer to work smarter, not harder.

I've developed a taste for delux Cheetos and vintage Mountain Dew. $11/hour wont cut it.
 
2012-06-08 11:35:46 AM
if the mininum wage was indexed to inflation, or to the annual compensation changes of Congress, the poors wouldn't be so farked in America today.
 
2012-06-08 11:43:52 AM

max_pooper: Those are not the only choices. You can keeping asking for a raise until you get it. You can also use your first amendment right to expose the terrible working conditions you work under to try to guilt your employer into fair working conditions. You can also use your first amendment right to organize a group of like minded employees to combine your assets and bargaining power to negotiate a better contract.


There's plenty of reasons to criticize Wal-Mart. Lack of benefits, the shady way they make most people part-time, undeclared overtime. Those are legitimate criticisms. biatching about the wages they pay for unskilled workers is not.

You seem like a pussy who just gives up. Fortunately for the rest of us, there are enough people in the country fighting for fairness that many companies offer fair wages and good working conditions not out of the kindness of their hearts but because of labor laws and because they are scared of lawsuits and unionization.

The point is that the individual has a responsibility to themselves to improve their own status. 16 years ago I made little more than a Wal-Mart employee. I didn't give up, I didn't piss and moan, I didn't complain. I took responsibility for my own life and my own lack of skills and income. I built my skills, improved my education, and my career and income rose accordingly. Most importantly, I didn't expect anyone to hand me anything. So fark you for your "pussy" comment.

It amazes me for all the biatching about how parents don't make their kids responsible that the same standards don't hold for adulthood. People that make minimum wage are somehow victims of evil corporations and not at all responsible for their own station in life. Everyone wants to whine and complain about how selfish those of us are for NOT wanting minimum wage to go up. Why work to improve your status if the government will increase your income for you? When are people responsible for themselves?

I also give back. I mentor many young IT workers on their careers teaching them what I know, how to build their careers, networking people for skills and job leads, and how to build their skills. I've helped more than a few people that found themselves laid off to find a job (as it's happened to me 4 times since 2000...and I've never been out of work more than a month). That's more than you've probably ever done since you probably look to government and unions to solve all the problems of the average American.

And no, I'm not a Republican...I hate the GOP as much as the Democrats.
 
2012-06-08 11:47:44 AM
Ok, so, fine, you're working at Walmart, you shouldn't expect an amazing compensation package, but then I read about this bullshiat:

"she worked two shifts on Saturday, from 12 p.m. to 4 p.m. and then 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.".

No, she worked a full day with an unpaid hour for lunch. Calling it two shifts just seems like a way to get around giving paid breaks or something.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but something just doesn't smell right about giving people two four hour shifts on the same day.
 
2012-06-08 11:47:57 AM
Collectively, the Waltons control over 48% of the company, and are worth a combined total of $102.7 billion (as of 2012). They stand to make $2,711,066,930 in dividends off of their Walmart stock in fiscal year 2013 alone.

When is enough, enough? One would think that they could throw the employees a bone now and again. Maybe a bonus at the end of the year ( I don't know if they do or not, I'm guessing not ) or a raise. Not to the top management, but to the grunts on the floor. Wal Mart / Sams could be one of the best places to be employed with great benefits and a good living wage, but the greed of the shareholders won't make that possible.
I suppose this is one of the reasons Unions were created.
Remember this, the only companies that got a union deserved it for treating their employees like crap.
/ my two cents
 
2012-06-08 11:51:10 AM
More bullshiat:

"Craig Rowley, who leads the retail consulting practice at management consulting firm Hay Group, says that it's understandable store employees want predictability, but that retail is "not a predictable industry."

I can guarantee to you that any business the size of Walmart has very tightly defined predictions about sales numbers etc., they just want to have excuses to jerk people's schedules around at short notice.
 
2012-06-08 11:55:06 AM

slayer199: Splinshints: Your refusal to acknowledge the third option that is clearly on the table does not invalidate it.

Oh, by the third option you mean acquiring skills/education that may make me more employable and at higher wages?


FTFA:

Walmart's scheduling also makes it difficult for workers to hold a second job or take classes, several OUR Walmart members say.

Venanzi Luna, a deli manager at the Walmart in Pico Rivera, Calif., says senior managers at her store often schedule employees to work "knowing they have to go to school." She says she has complained to managers on behalf of her employees that they'll tell those who want to take classes or second jobs that they're "all for it," but then "make it hard for them."


The poverty trap, have you heard of it?
 
2012-06-08 11:56:59 AM

TheAlgebraist: No, she worked a full day with an unpaid hour for lunch. Calling it two shifts just seems like a way to get around giving paid breaks or something.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but something just doesn't smell right about giving people two four hour shifts on the same day.


THAT is a legitimate criticism of Wal-Mart. It's BS
 
2012-06-08 12:00:46 PM
"I have credit card debt that is unreal because I can't make it," Sparks says. "Walmart should pay a better wage."

She sounds like she makes good decisions.
 
2012-06-08 12:00:51 PM

max_pooper: slayer199: max_pooper: They are trying to get a better job by making the position they currently hold better.

\Go fark yourself with a broken off pool cue.

Nobody is making them work at Wal-Mart.

I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.

Those are not the only choices. You can keeping asking for a raise until you get it. You can also use your first amendment right to expose the terrible working conditions you work under to try to guilt your employer into fair working conditions. You can also use your first amendment right to organize a group of like minded employees to combine your assets and bargaining power to negotiate a better contract.

You seem like a pussy who just gives up. Fortunately for the rest of us, there are enough people in the country fighting for fairness that many companies offer fair wages and good working conditions not out of the kindness of their hearts but because of labor laws and because they are scared of lawsuits and unionization.


The rest of us are awesome enough that we make plenty without forming a gang.
 
2012-06-08 12:10:37 PM

Cletus from Canuckistan: The poverty trap, have you heard of it?


They Excuse Trap? Why do you make it?
 
2012-06-08 12:11:58 PM
Union-backed Walmart employees? Hope they like being unemployed...
 
2012-06-08 12:13:45 PM

slayer199: Splinshints: Your refusal to acknowledge the third option that is clearly on the table does not invalidate it.

Oh, by the third option you mean acquiring skills/education that may make me more employable and at higher wages?


Take this one step further. How do I get the money and time to acquire those skills/education while still paying for a roof over my head and food in my stomach?
 
2012-06-08 12:14:37 PM

slayer199: curlyfries: slayer199: I can go to my boss and ask for a raise. He can tell me to go fark myself. My choices are to stay or to look for another job. My income is irrelevant to the conversation. Those are the choices at any income level.

When I read your comment, I immediately thought, "This person is a self-described libertarian who works in either engineering or IT." You're easy to spot.

Doesn't refute my point...but thanks for pointing it out.


It doesn't refute it, but it does nicely highlight how completely full of shiat you are.
 
2012-06-08 12:15:36 PM

Honest Bender: $11/hour for a front end manager? Wow. That's shiatty.
That said, you know what I'd do if my job didn't pay enough to cover my bills? Get a better paying job. You know what I wouldn't do? Go whine to the papers.


Yeah, because jobs are just laying around everywhere, easily available for those a wide range of people who have high school diplomas or college degrees. After all, the stock market is up, so that must mean everything is great and it is easy for Walmart managers to go find new jobs.

Well, hey, its the internet and someone is bound to be wrong. Looks like it is your turn. Too bad you had to be so stupid about it at the same time.
 
2012-06-08 12:15:41 PM

Honest Bender: $11/hour for a front end manager? Wow. That's shiatty.
That said, you know what I'd do if my job didn't pay enough to cover my bills? Get a better paying job. You know what I wouldn't do? Go whine to the papers.


Yea it's really that black and white. Gee why didn't any of these people think of that?!
 
2012-06-08 12:16:20 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: slayer199: Splinshints: Your refusal to acknowledge the third option that is clearly on the table does not invalidate it.

Oh, by the third option you mean acquiring skills/education that may make me more employable and at higher wages?

Take this one step further. How do I get the money and time to acquire those skills/education while still paying for a roof over my head and food in my stomach?


Be more bootstrappier.
 
2012-06-08 12:16:51 PM

TheAlgebraist: Ok, so, fine, you're working at Walmart, you shouldn't expect an amazing compensation package, but then I read about this bullshiat:

"she worked two shifts on Saturday, from 12 p.m. to 4 p.m. and then 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.".

No, she worked a full day with an unpaid hour for lunch. Calling it two shifts just seems like a way to get around giving paid breaks or something.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but something just doesn't smell right about giving people two four hour shifts on the same day.


They had her working during that unpaid hour, dollars to donuts.
 
2012-06-08 12:17:38 PM

slayer199: Cletus from Canuckistan: The poverty trap, have you heard of it?

They Excuse Trap? Why do you make it?


For claiming to know so much about social issues, you sure skirt the issue when your bullshiat is pointed back out to you.
 
2012-06-08 12:18:24 PM

slayer199: max_pooper: Those are not the only choices. You can keeping asking for a raise until you get it. You can also use your first amendment right to expose the terrible working conditions you work under to try to guilt your employer into fair working conditions. You can also use your first amendment right to organize a group of like minded employees to combine your assets and bargaining power to negotiate a better contract.

There's plenty of reasons to criticize Wal-Mart. Lack of benefits, the shady way they make most people part-time, undeclared overtime. Those are legitimate criticisms. biatching about the wages they pay for unskilled workers is not.

You seem like a pussy who just gives up. Fortunately for the rest of us, there are enough people in the country fighting for fairness that many companies offer fair wages and good working conditions not out of the kindness of their hearts but because of labor laws and because they are scared of lawsuits and unionization.

The point is that the individual has a responsibility to themselves to improve their own status. 16 years ago I made little more than a Wal-Mart employee. I didn't give up, I didn't piss and moan, I didn't complain. I took responsibility for my own life and my own lack of skills and income. I built my skills, improved my education, and my career and income rose accordingly. Most importantly, I didn't expect anyone to hand me anything. So fark you for your "pussy" comment.

It amazes me for all the biatching about how parents don't make their kids responsible that the same standards don't hold for adulthood. People that make minimum wage are somehow victims of evil corporations and not at all responsible for their own station in life. Everyone wants to whine and complain about how selfish those of us are for NOT wanting minimum wage to go up. Why work to improve your status if the government will increase your income for you? When are people responsible for themselves?

I also give back. I ...


So who took your place working at Wal-mart wage job? Only if they did not replace you or replaced you with a robot does you argument stand. Everyone can't just get a better job. There will always be a need for people in low paid positions. That is the way an economy works.

People who work at Wal-Mart should unionize and fight for better working conditions and better compensation. That doesn't necessarily a mean higher hourly wage but health insurance, a company sponsored retirement plan, paid sick time and vacation time for all employees.
 
2012-06-08 12:19:10 PM

rooftop235: Then maybe they should go to college and get a job somewhere other than Walmart.


Lol that is funny as hell. This is the type of mentality that has led us to the current shiat storm climate we're in. Know how many people I know with college degrees that work at similar places like Walmart? An entire generation was told that college guarantees you a job and that blue collar jobs are for suckers. Yea well tell that to my welder friends that are making more than double their college grad counterparts.
 
2012-06-08 12:19:20 PM

TheAlgebraist: Ok, so, fine, you're working at Walmart, you shouldn't expect an amazing compensation package, but then I read about this bullshiat:

"she worked two shifts on Saturday, from 12 p.m. to 4 p.m. and then 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.".

No, she worked a full day with an unpaid hour for lunch. Calling it two shifts just seems like a way to get around giving paid breaks or something.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but something just doesn't smell right about giving people two four hour shifts on the same day.


It has been awhile since I have looked at the laws but it used to be you were required to get one 10 minute break for each f 4 hours and a half hour non-paid break for a six hour shift. I don't see how this schedule would deprive her of anything.
 
2012-06-08 12:19:26 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: It doesn't refute it, but it does nicely highlight how completely full of shiat you are.


The fact that you have nothing but ad hominem pretty much show's you can't refute it.
 
2012-06-08 12:21:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Take this one step further. How do I get the money and time to acquire those skills/education while still paying for a roof over my head and food in my stomach?


A lot of sacrifice. People are able to do this. It's not easy, but it's doable. Also, if you're that poor it's pretty much guaranteed that there are scholarships, grants, etc...to help pay for college.
 
2012-06-08 12:28:37 PM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Yeah, because jobs are just laying around everywhere, easily available for those a wide range of people who have high school diplomas or college degrees.


If you want to talk about how easy or difficult it is to find a job, that's fine. But it has no bearing on the discussion at hand or on my comment.

keepitcherry: Yea it's really that black and white.


Yeah, it really is. Empolyeement is an agreement between the employee and the employer. It's an agreement to do certain work in exchange for certain compensation. If you don't feel your compensation is sufficient for the work, ask for more. If your employer is unwilling to pay you more, then go find someone who will. It really is that simple.

Don't agree to work for less than you feel your time is worth and then biatch that you don't get paid what you feel your time is worth.
 
2012-06-08 12:33:20 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: For claiming to know so much about social issues, you sure skirt the issue when your bullshiat is pointed back out to you.


You know why I don't give a shiat about those that are in that situation...because I've been there. I was a 30 year-old loser making little more than minimum wage, little more than a high school education, and little future. Then things changed dramatically. I became a father. I took a hard look at my life and held myself accountable for my station. I busted my ass, went back to school, worked hard in my career and built a future not only for myself, but my son. So I know a LOT more than people like you sitting on the sidelines whining about those that are less fortunate and whining about everyone else needing to do more for them. The bottom line is that people have to do it for themselves and we as a nation don't encourage people to do that.

I did it...people that are dedicated can do it. And yes, I give back....not by handing anyone money...but by giving the the knowledge and tools they can use to be successful. That's more than the government will ever do. Ultimately it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their own lives...and that's something that fark libs never want to do is hold people accountable for their own life choices (Republicans aren't the answer either).
 
2012-06-08 12:37:01 PM

Brontes: Honest Bender: $11/hour for a front end manager? Wow. That's shiatty.
That said, you know what I'd do if my job didn't pay enough to cover my bills? Get a better paying job. You know what I wouldn't do? Go whine to the papers.

Option C: Try to change the environment not just for myself but for others. Honest Bender only looks out for one person, and that is Honest Bender.


That's not true. He returned that guy's artificial heart once.
 
2012-06-08 12:38:46 PM

slayer199: The My Little Pony Killer: For claiming to know so much about social issues, you sure skirt the issue when your bullshiat is pointed back out to you.

You know why I don't give a shiat about those that are in that situation...because I've been there. I was a 30 year-old loser making little more than minimum wage, little more than a high school education, and little future. Then things changed dramatically. I became a father. I took a hard look at my life and held myself accountable for my station. I busted my ass, went back to school, worked hard in my career and built a future not only for myself, but my son. So I know a LOT more than people like you sitting on the sidelines whining about those that are less fortunate and whining about everyone else needing to do more for them. The bottom line is that people have to do it for themselves and we as a nation don't encourage people to do that.

I did it...people that are dedicated can do it. And yes, I give back....not by handing anyone money...but by giving the the knowledge and tools they can use to be successful. That's more than the government will ever do. Ultimately it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their own lives...and that's something that fark libs never want to do is hold people accountable for their own life choices (Republicans aren't the answer either).


did your education come from an expensive private college or a government subsidized public college?
 
2012-06-08 12:39:04 PM
You want to go a ways to solving this problem? Open up a ton of nationally accredited trade schools. Then stop shoe-horning everyone into college. College != success these days.
 
2012-06-08 12:39:41 PM

slayer199: I did it...people that are dedicated can do it.


It is a difficult one for me. I grew up fairly broke and at 18 was turned loose on the world with no family support. I kicked around at lame jobs for the better part of my 20's. Then I got my act together and now make a pretty healthy salary. Sure it can be done.

On the other hand I have some advantages that not everyone has. I am a white male (those two alone are huge advantages in our society). I am more intelligent than most. I am charismatic and not unattractive. I attended decent schools and got a fairly good education (despite what my high school grades would indicate). There are probably others. Sure it can be done, but not all people are created equal.
 
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