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(Fox News)   Worried that Norwegian mass murderer might be found insane and avoid high-security prison? Clever Norwegians are all ready to set up a mental hospital inside that prison. Problem solved   (foxnews.com) divider line 74
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2012-06-08 09:06:35 AM
They know what to do with their teabaggers.
 
2012-06-08 09:09:17 AM
Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.
 
2012-06-08 09:11:59 AM

fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.


Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.
 
2012-06-08 09:12:09 AM
I suggest putting him on a small plane. And then have the pilot jump out for technical problems while he is hand cuffed to the chair.
 
2012-06-08 09:12:32 AM
Would a sane man think that "Conservatism" is a good WoW handle? I think not.
 
2012-06-08 09:13:05 AM
you want it you got it!!! well now you know!!!!
ABACAB!!!
 
2012-06-08 09:13:06 AM
Their high security prison is a five star hotel.
 
2012-06-08 09:13:39 AM
Well, that's thinking inside the box!
 
2012-06-08 09:13:45 AM

filter: fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.

Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.


This. We're going to do this right. He's a killer, the rest of us aren't.

/Most of us anyway.
 
2012-06-08 09:14:01 AM

fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.


I know that answer feels good, but in the USA it costs more than life imprisonment. And life imprisonment prolongs the pain.

He'll be shanked, anyway; cheapest way out.
 
2012-06-08 09:14:58 AM
Norway>USA
 
2012-06-08 09:15:08 AM

filter: fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.

Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.


Executing mass-murderers prevents said mass-murder from murdering more massively.
 
2012-06-08 09:15:22 AM
His stern look reminds me of the Wisconsin Walker guy.
 
2012-06-08 09:16:30 AM
The guy isn't insane, he is an idiot that is filled with hate. That isn't insane.
 
2012-06-08 09:17:21 AM
In case you're wondering: The video he was watching when that pic was taken was his own propaganda video.
 
2012-06-08 09:17:42 AM
Translation: Current cell to be painted pink.
 
2012-06-08 09:18:04 AM

fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.


This.

Or else in 23 years, he'll be in charge of Occupy Oslo.
 
2012-06-08 09:18:19 AM

ongbok: The guy isn't insane, he is an idiot that is filled with hate. That isn't insane.


Garbage in, garbage out. That's what I think happened to him.
 
2012-06-08 09:19:18 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

fillinn.com


What prison in Norway may look like.

No, seriously.

And yes, that is indeed a climbing wall in the gym...
 
2012-06-08 09:19:47 AM
This is from another article:

"A judge at the trial of Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik was caught playing solitaire on his laptop during Monday's proceedings, the VG newspaper reported.

Ernst Henning Eielsen, one of the five judges for the case, can clearly be seen on court cameras playing the card game.

According to VG, Eielsen was playing the game on a solitaire website, and images showed solitaire in his browser window for up to 16 minutes before the court was adjourned for lunch.

A Swedish expert was testifying while the judge played the game.

A court spokeswoman denied the judge was not paying attention and said the game may have helped him concentrate."

I don't think anyone in Norway really cares what happens with this guy. They could release him and not even the judge would notice. At least in the US, the court pays attention to the proceedings. Norway sucks.
 
2012-06-08 09:21:04 AM
'That Norwegian mass murderer' aside, the corrections model in Norway was quite shocking when I moved here (from the US). Prisons look more like college dorms than anything you would see in the US. I did a bit of consulting work with the prison system, and their mission was to rehabilitate each prisoner into someone you would want to have as your next door neighbor. That is quite a lofty goal-- and quite opposed to the US system of punishment.

The crazy thing is that it 'works' if you look at the recidivism rates (compared to punitive models). It might not "feel" as good to those who want to treat prisoners like animals (if not kill them outright), but it serves society better than creating monsters who will never function in society.

All that said, I don't believe it is that effective for crazed east European criminal immigrants (for example), for whom prison is a life better than what they have at home. But even so, those cases are relative rarities.
 
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2012-06-08 09:21:08 AM

HotWingConspiracy: They know what to do with their teabaggers.


We need to do that with out teabagers.
 
2012-06-08 09:22:27 AM

schattenteufel: Executing mass-murderers prevents said mass-murder from murdering more massively.


So does imprisoning them.
 
2012-06-08 09:23:09 AM

spentmiles: At least in the US, the court pays attention to the proceedings.


LOL
 
2012-06-08 09:24:13 AM

spentmiles: This is from another article:

"A judge at the trial of Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik was caught playing solitaire on his laptop during Monday's proceedings, the VG newspaper reported.

Ernst Henning Eielsen, one of the five judges for the case, can clearly be seen on court cameras playing the card game.

According to VG, Eielsen was playing the game on a solitaire website, and images showed solitaire in his browser window for up to 16 minutes before the court was adjourned for lunch.

A Swedish expert was testifying while the judge played the game.

A court spokeswoman denied the judge was not paying attention and said the game may have helped him concentrate."

I don't think anyone in Norway really cares what happens with this guy. They could release him and not even the judge would notice. At least in the US, the court pays attention to the proceedings. Norway sucks.


Either that or the judge doesn't care what the experts say or any testimony form the defense because he knows that it is pretty much a done deal that he is going to be convicted. But still he should at least fake like he is paying attention.
 
2012-06-08 09:27:06 AM

schattenteufel: filter: fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.

Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.

Executing mass-murderers prevents said mass-murder from murdering more massively.


And it turns the state into a mass murderer. Ironic, huh? Incarceration forever also would prevent a mass-murdered form murdering more massively, as would amputating multiple limbs, breaking a prisoner's neck, etc... but killing the prisoner is not a unique way to solve the problem, and it creates all sorts of additional problems.
 
2012-06-08 09:27:24 AM
In my mind, "certainty of guilt" plus "heinousness of crime" add up to a perfectly good justification for discarding all notions of cruel and unusual punishments.

When John Salvi, the abortion clinic shooter was on trial, I thought it would be quite appropriate to have a weekly darts tournament on Boston Common using Salvi's posterior as a dartboard, then give him superficial medical attention and haul him out again every weekend for as long as the public remained interested.

But in the end he got what he deserved, as wiki says: "Salvi was found dead in his prison cell on November 29, 1996. The official report states that Salvi's death was a suicide. This was a source of some controversy, as other reports[who?] claim he was found with his hands and feet tied together, with cotton shoved in his mouth and a bag placed and tied with a shoelace over his head. His lawyers are quoted as saying that his body showed marks of having been beaten before his death."

So what the justice system won't do, let the GP and/or guards do it. I'm fine with that.
 
2012-06-08 09:27:57 AM
I've never understood why sanity should make any difference. How can you be "not guilty by reason of insanity"? Did you do the crime or not? If you did (split personalities count) then you're guilty, by definition. You may also be insane; so what?
It's not like we have the ability to cure fully-grown crazy people.
 
2012-06-08 09:28:48 AM
That's why they have five judges. The trial is just a dog and pony show.... a shaggy dog and pony show.... and dog and shaggy pony show.... something like that....

ongbok: spentmiles: This is from another article:

"A judge at the trial of Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik was caught playing solitaire on his laptop during Monday's proceedings, the VG newspaper reported.

Ernst Henning Eielsen, one of the five judges for the case, can clearly be seen on court cameras playing the card game.

According to VG, Eielsen was playing the game on a solitaire website, and images showed solitaire in his browser window for up to 16 minutes before the court was adjourned for lunch.

A Swedish expert was testifying while the judge played the game.

A court spokeswoman denied the judge was not paying attention and said the game may have helped him concentrate."

I don't think anyone in Norway really cares what happens with this guy. They could release him and not even the judge would notice. At least in the US, the court pays attention to the proceedings. Norway sucks.

Either that or the judge doesn't care what the experts say or any testimony form the defense because he knows that it is pretty much a done deal that he is going to be convicted. But still he should at least fake like he is paying attention.

 
2012-06-08 09:30:42 AM
filter
'That Norwegian mass murderer' aside, the corrections model in Norway was quite shocking when I moved here (from the US). Prisons look more like college dorms than anything you would see in the US. I did a bit of consulting work with the prison system, and their mission was to rehabilitate each prisoner into someone you would want to have as your next door neighbor. That is quite a lofty goal-- and quite opposed to the US system of punishment.

The crazy thing is that it 'works' if you look at the recidivism rates (compared to punitive models). It might not "feel" as good to those who want to treat prisoners like animals (if not kill them outright), but it serves society better than creating monsters who will never function in society.

All that said, I don't believe it is that effective for crazed east European criminal immigrants (for example), for whom prison is a life better than what they have at home. But even so, those cases are relative rarities.


Just curious. How do they treat drug offenders? You know. The ones who are convicted of possession and are 100% addicted to drugs who will kill you for a fix just as soon as they're released. In fact, the only reason they aren't murderous drug zombies RIGHT NOW is that the Department of Corrections Officers are well training in Zombie recognition and mitigation ("If you see a Zombie, Ned. Just crack it in the head").
 
2012-06-08 09:30:42 AM
filter: Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.

Some people can't be rehabilitated, and cannot be made to be meaningful members of society no matter how much medical treatment and education you provide.

And some people are just blatent sociopaths who do not favor human life over anything.

These people need to be removed from society, and it's an honest question to ask if a painless death is more humane than keeping them isolated and alone in an 8x10 cell for fourty or fifty years.
 
2012-06-08 09:31:36 AM

Uncle Tractor: In case you're wondering: The video he was watching when that pic was taken was his own propaganda video.


Thanks, I was wondering. He seemed to have a pretty strong reaction to what he was seeing.
 
2012-06-08 09:33:09 AM

HotWingConspiracy: They know what to do with their teabaggers.


Oh man tell me about it! I remember reading about the great Vahaaarrouuuseilg Tea Party of 1734
 
2012-06-08 09:33:56 AM

Silly Jesus: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x345]

[fillinn.com image 570x375]


What prison in Norway may look like.

No, seriously.

And yes, that is indeed a climbing wall in the gym...


Would like to point out that they have a far different view. The Norwegians realize that most prisoners will eventually return to society and have crafted prison to help them understand how to "Get Along By Going Along" with society. In contrast to our "Beat the Snot Out of Them So They Hate Everyone" philosophy.

Why do we incarcerate such a high percentage of our population? Vengance
If the way we incarcerate is so great why's there so much recidivism?
i2.listal.com
"Recidivism, do you know what that means H.I.?"
Discuss
 
2012-06-08 09:36:50 AM

filter: fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.

Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.


Im curious what problem feeding and housing him for life solves that killing him wouldnt. Its not like hes ever going to be rehabilitated.
 
2012-06-08 09:37:45 AM
Now I actually really hope he's found insane. He would hate that, having all of his horrible thoughts and actions dismissed as just crazy.
 
2012-06-08 09:39:15 AM

Alonjar: filter: fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.

Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.

Im curious what problem feeding and housing him for life solves that killing him wouldnt. Its not like hes ever going to be rehabilitated.


It keeps us firmly on this side of a line we don't want to cross.
 
2012-06-08 09:39:27 AM
Alonjar: Im curious what problem feeding and housing him for life solves that killing him wouldnt. Its not like hes ever going to be rehabilitated.

Because it's easier for him to reconcile his conscience with the fact that there is no blood on his hands for sending him to a needle, rather allowing him to rot and die naturally in a cell.
 
2012-06-08 09:41:57 AM

filter: Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.


This.

The worse part is that killing him might even create a martyr for all those idiots who are as deranged as this moron. But hey, there's nothing better than an uncivilized reaction to solve every problem, right?
 
2012-06-08 09:42:50 AM

macadamnut: I've never understood why sanity should make any difference. How can you be "not guilty by reason of insanity"? Did you do the crime or not? If you did (split personalities count) then you're guilty, by definition. You may also be insane; so what?
It's not like we have the ability to cure fully-grown crazy people.


It's a question of accountabilty, not just the nebulous "guilt". He feels little or none. The insane are not accountable, otherwise we would rely on every insane thing they say.

Lots of "fully-grown" people are crazy. Many are cured or, at least, managed. Some hold positions of power, with little or no accountabilty at all.
 
2012-06-08 09:44:46 AM

Pantubo: This.

Or else in 23 years, he'll be in charge of Occupy Oslo.



i775.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-08 09:45:02 AM
i49.tinypic.com

Approves of Norway's lax treatment of murderers.
 
2012-06-08 09:47:29 AM

Silly Jesus: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x345]

[fillinn.com image 570x375]


What prison in Norway may look like.

No, seriously.

And yes, that is indeed a climbing wall in the gym...


You're telling me prisoners in Norway live better than librarians in the United States?
 
2012-06-08 09:47:47 AM

filter: fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.

Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.


"human" rights should be applied to "humans". I'm against capital punishment of humans. However, some sickos cannot be accurately labelled as human. In this case, they should be treated humanely, as in humanely being put down with as little suffering as possible.

/not sure about this case
 
2012-06-08 09:55:47 AM

BronyMedic: filter: Yeah? Sounds like something that might happen in a country with shiatty human rights. Norway is better than that. Killing prisoners solves nothing.

Some people can't be rehabilitated, and cannot be made to be meaningful members of society no matter how much medical treatment and education you provide.

And some people are just blatent sociopaths who do not favor human life over anything.

These people need to be removed from society, and it's an honest question to ask if a painless death is more humane than keeping them isolated and alone in an 8x10 cell for fourty or fifty years.


I do not believe in execution as a form of punishment for serious crimes. The scope/severity of a crime is irrelevant. The question for me is that of humanity and potential for rehabilitation. If a person guilty of a capital offence only meets the biological definition of human but with no other intangible attributes and has no potential for rehabilitation, they should be put down much like a family pet who is suffering.
 
2012-06-08 09:57:43 AM
What a Norwegian mass murderer may look like

fvnorthwestern.com
 
2012-06-08 09:58:33 AM

fragMasterFlash: Put a bullet in that farkers head. Problem solved.


"Killing is bad!"
*BLAM!*
 
2012-06-08 10:01:04 AM

Thisbymaster: I suggest putting him on a small plane. And then have the pilot jump out for technical problems while he is hand cuffed to the chair.


Won't that cause the pilot to dangle along side the aircraft?
 
2012-06-08 10:01:38 AM
Nope, I wasn't worried.
 
2012-06-08 10:03:09 AM
filter:

Since you mentioned it, I did a Wiki on your city. Wow, beautiful place. What took you there, if you don't mind me asking?

Also, does it really never get above 65F there?

/Threadjack over
 
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