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(Lansing State Journal)   School proposes cuts to balance $43,000 budget shortfall. Specifically, cutting down the school's 200-year-old trees for profit   (lansingstatejournal.com) divider line 77
    More: Sad, De Witt, finance director, Lansing State Journal  
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-07 09:00:17 PM  
a $43,000 hole in the district's budget

Cut off one of the school administrator's limbs instead. That'll save even more than $43,000.
 
2012-06-07 09:24:13 PM  
You should have used the sappy tag.
 
Pud
2012-06-07 09:34:52 PM  
Even with the profit from selling the trees, DeWitt schools will still face a $777,000 deficit next year,

Just have one of the school board members sell a kidney, they would be out of debt almost immediately. If they go back into the red next year because of the financial gain. Sell another kidney. This shiat will stop in no time.
 
2012-06-08 01:02:42 AM  
I believe that a single bolt on an F-22 costs well more than $43,000.
 
2012-06-08 01:50:36 AM  
How's that defence budget going, US?

/sad
 
2012-06-08 01:50:46 AM  

John Paul Jones: I believe that a single bolt on an F-22 costs well more than $43,000.


Yeah but...but...TERRORISM!
 
2012-06-08 03:53:22 AM  

Pud: Just have one of the school board members sell a kidney, they would be out of debt almost immediately


Kidneys are like $5000 right now, $2500 in Mexico.
 
2012-06-08 04:03:10 AM  
Funny, here in the Bay Area some seniors cut down old trees on campus for a prank and now they're not graduating.
 
2012-06-08 04:06:43 AM  
An entomologist at New College, Oxford ("New" because its only a few centuries old), discovered beetles infesting the oak beams supporting the roof of the Great Hall. It was fairly urgent that these be replaced before the roof collapsed--but anyone who has looked at the price of oak lately can tell you that this was not something the college budget was prepared for.

Since oak from a commercial supplier was out of the question, someone suggested that the college Forester be sent for. His job was to administer the various scattered tracts of land that had been deeded to the college when it was founded. The trustees hoped he might know of suitable trees on college land.

It turned out that there was indeed a suitable stand of mighty oaks. They had been planted when the college was founded, and down the centuries each Forester had told his successor: "You don't cut those oaks; those are for when the beetles get into the beams in the Main Hall."
 
2012-06-08 04:07:24 AM  
I was wondering if I would be the first to tease Romney about his "The trees in Michigan are the right height" pander... Apparently so.
 
2012-06-08 04:08:27 AM  

Ivo Shandor: An entomologist at New College, Oxford ("New" because its only a few centuries old), discovered beetles infesting the oak beams supporting the roof of the Great Hall. It was fairly urgent that these be replaced before the roof collapsed--but anyone who has looked at the price of oak lately can tell you that this was not something the college budget was prepared for.

Since oak from a commercial supplier was out of the question, someone suggested that the college Forester be sent for. His job was to administer the various scattered tracts of land that had been deeded to the college when it was founded. The trustees hoped he might know of suitable trees on college land.

It turned out that there was indeed a suitable stand of mighty oaks. They had been planted when the college was founded, and down the centuries each Forester had told his successor: "You don't cut those oaks; those are for when the beetles get into the beams in the Main Hall."


What did I tell you? THERE'S ALWAYS MONEY IN THE OAK STAND!
 
2012-06-08 04:19:38 AM  
School board treasurer Sarah Hartman said that she had recently walked in the tree lot and felt that many of the trees marked for removal were already dead.

Well if a school board treasurer says the tree is dead then it must be dead.

My elementary school had half a dozen redwoods in the playground. It was awesome.
 
2012-06-08 04:20:17 AM  

Enigmamf: I was wondering if I would be the first to tease Romney about his "The trees in Michigan are the right height" pander... Apparently so.


I don't think that was pandering. It was true flummox.
 
2012-06-08 04:35:11 AM  
What happens next year when they have no money and no trees left to cut down?

/Easter Island didn't work that out either
 
2012-06-08 04:35:12 AM  
Lets just sell the school board presidents kidney.......Ameriduh!!! Fark the future
 
2012-06-08 05:00:24 AM  

Nidiot: What happens next year when they have no money and no trees left to cut down?

/Easter Island didn't work that out either


Sell the kids.
 
2012-06-08 05:04:14 AM  
Because eliminating a few administrators would never happen.
 
2012-06-08 05:17:04 AM  

libranoelrose: Enigmamf: I was wondering if I would be the first to tease Romney about his "The trees in Michigan are the right height" pander... Apparently so.

I don't think that was pandering. It was true flummox.


I thought it was a programming error.
 
2012-06-08 05:18:34 AM  
Deiter noted, however, that deciding to not cull the trees would mean renegotiating the contract with the forester, with the possibility that the district could wind up paying the total amount anyway.

What?? You already signed a contract and wrote in that you'd have to pay the forester for doing nothing if you backed out???
You shouldn't be allowed to sign yourself up for cable. You're TERRIBLE with contracts.
 
2012-06-08 05:36:51 AM  
If all these trees are really that unique, then they should take them and put them in a tree museum
then they could charge all the people $1.50 just to see 'em

/I think that's my taxi outside
 
2012-06-08 05:56:52 AM  
I wonder if they have The Lorax in their school library.

But who speaks for the trees?
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I do.
 
2012-06-08 06:01:03 AM  
No Giving Tree reference? I am disappoint.
 
2012-06-08 06:09:50 AM  
Meh. They would have cut them down anyway. Socialists always sell off the family silver for short-term cash to propo up their wasteful ways.

In tough times, they try and make the sell-off as spectacular as possible to maximise outrasge. This strengthens the argument that innocent people should be compelled by force to pay money to them. Socialists are really just extorionists.
 
2012-06-08 07:09:30 AM  

Enigmamf: Ivo Shandor: An entomologist at New College, Oxford ("New" because its only a few centuries old), discovered beetles infesting the oak beams supporting the roof of the Great Hall. It was fairly urgent that these be replaced before the roof collapsed--but anyone who has looked at the price of oak lately can tell you that this was not something the college budget was prepared for.

Since oak from a commercial supplier was out of the question, someone suggested that the college Forester be sent for. His job was to administer the various scattered tracts of land that had been deeded to the college when it was founded. The trustees hoped he might know of suitable trees on college land.

It turned out that there was indeed a suitable stand of mighty oaks. They had been planted when the college was founded, and down the centuries each Forester had told his successor: "You don't cut those oaks; those are for when the beetles get into the beams in the Main Hall."

What did I tell you? THERE'S ALWAYS MONEY IN THE OAK STAND!


What, do you think we'll turn a profit selling chocolate-covered acorns?

I'm going to burn down that oak stand just to spite you. Good thing we have insurance...
 
2012-06-08 07:10:35 AM  

snuff3r: How's that defence budget going, US?

/sad


Yeah, because Federal funding makes up so much of a Board of Education budget. Oh, wait...

www.michigan.gov

/Does support increased education spending
 
2012-06-08 07:17:14 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Meh. They would have cut them down anyway. Socialists always sell off the family silver for short-term cash to propo up their wasteful ways.


Yes, it's a well documented hallmark of socialism to privatise or otherwise sell stuff that the state owns.
 
2012-06-08 07:27:04 AM  

snuff3r: How's that defence budget going, US?

/sad


How're your Eurozone bailouts going, trolls?
 
2012-06-08 07:31:33 AM  
That's life on the Ferengi Home World.
 
2012-06-08 07:34:05 AM  
The funny thing is that I bet any one of us could cut their budget down to size with no impact to the services the school provides.
 
Skr
2012-06-08 07:49:06 AM  
History always seems to get the short end of the stick when balancing education budgets.
 
2012-06-08 07:56:47 AM  

borg: Funny, here in the Bay Area some seniors cut down old trees on campus for a prank and now they're not graduating.


Old people pull the best pranks.
 
2012-06-08 08:10:34 AM  
The trees just need to make like themselves and leave
 
2012-06-08 08:11:49 AM  
Nothing like a firesale of assets to mask your structural deficit for another year.
 
2012-06-08 08:20:44 AM  

randomjsa: Because eliminating a few administrators would never happen.


FWIW, in my daughter's school district, they eliminated the Principal of one of the elementary schools after last school year (June, '11). The Principal at my daughter's school was made Principal of both. I spoke to him a few times and he spent time at both school's every day. That guy works his ass off.
 
2012-06-08 08:21:39 AM  

theknuckler_33: school's


unnecessary apostrophe is unnecessary.
 
2012-06-08 08:23:37 AM  
Trees are a renewable resource, and they don't live forever. Selectively culling a stand isn't necessarily a negative thing.
 
2012-06-08 08:31:10 AM  
Screw it, close all the schools. Shut down the roads. Arm everybody to the teeth. Only the wealthy should have access to transportation and education. The rest of us proles merely take valuable space and oxygen from the more deserving enlightened upper class.

Turn off the lights, this place is done.

Lots of nice houses in Dewitt, BTW. McMansions aplenty.
 
2012-06-08 08:33:37 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Meh. They would have cut them down anyway. Socialists always sell off the family silver for short-term cash to propo up their wasteful ways.

In tough times, they try and make the sell-off as spectacular as possible to maximise outrasge. This strengthens the argument that innocent people should be compelled by force to pay money to them. Socialists are really just extorionists.


A truly edumacated individual you are.
 
2012-06-08 08:35:39 AM  

Oblio13: Trees are a renewable resource, and they don't live forever. Selectively culling a stand isn't necessarily a negative thing.


That was my first reaction too until I read that they face a budget deficit 10X greater next year. Maybe it will help this year, but doesn't really seem to be addressing the problem.
 
2012-06-08 08:38:42 AM  
I don't have a big problem with this. Seems to me they're acting responsibly, trying to put a forestry management plan in place. They're not going to clear cut the area, nor are they going to cut down all the big trees.

I also don't have an issue with the guy who said his biggest concern was doing this for reasons of financial gain (versus doing this because it was a good idea and would benefit the forest).

My point is that the two sides are not mutually exclusive.
 
2012-06-08 08:44:07 AM  

Wodan11: I don't have a big problem with this. Seems to me they're acting responsibly, trying to put a forestry management plan in place. They're not going to clear cut the area, nor are they going to cut down all the big trees.

I also don't have an issue with the guy who said his biggest concern was doing this for reasons of financial gain (versus doing this because it was a good idea and would benefit the forest).

My point is that the two sides are not mutually exclusive.


What about next year?
 
2012-06-08 08:53:49 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: What about next year?


What about it? They shouldn't sell timber because they won't be able to sell the same timber again next year?
 
2012-06-08 09:06:33 AM  
Education. The next bubble.
 
2012-06-08 09:07:22 AM  

Oblio13: StoPPeRmobile: What about next year?

What about it? They shouldn't sell timber because they won't be able to sell the same timber again next year?


Yep.
 
2012-06-08 09:10:03 AM  
Trees are overrated. They just stand there and wooden't leaft a finger to help you. They sometimes even fall on you. If you get caught outside in a thunderstorm and try to seek shelter under a tree, it'll just gesture to the storm "he's over here, come get him!"
 
2012-06-08 09:13:24 AM  

Molavian: The funny thing is that I bet any one of us could cut their budget down to size with no impact to the services the school provides.


You are probably wrong. Michigan has been tightening education budgets around the state for a long time. There is only so much fat to trim. Eventually you start hitting bone. I'm on a school board and while things haven't gotten this bad, there are a lot of unpopular decisions that have been made. Class sizes are way up. Transportation is only provided if the student is over a mile from school. We will probably be eliminating team sports from middle school in the 2013/4 school year. The school might have literally been in a situation of lose a classroom teacher or lose the trees. If the area won't increase their own levies that is what has to happen. Education>trees.
 
2012-06-08 09:21:03 AM  
Interesting idea to use natural resources to generate revenue.
 
2012-06-08 09:22:26 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Oblio13: StoPPeRmobile: What about next year?

What about it? They shouldn't sell timber because they won't be able to sell the same timber again next year?

Yep.


Should the grocery store stop selling groceries because they won't be able to sell the same groceries tomorrow?
 
2012-06-08 09:31:31 AM  

Oblio13: StoPPeRmobile: Oblio13: StoPPeRmobile: What about next year?

What about it? They shouldn't sell timber because they won't be able to sell the same timber again next year?

Yep.

Should the grocery store stop selling groceries because they won't be able to sell the same groceries tomorrow?


You aren't very bright, are you?
 
2012-06-08 09:34:04 AM  

Oblio13: StoPPeRmobile: Oblio13: StoPPeRmobile: What about next year?

What about it? They shouldn't sell timber because they won't be able to sell the same timber again next year?

Yep.

Should the grocery store stop selling groceries because they won't be able to sell the same groceries tomorrow?


Bad analogy is bad.
 
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