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2012-06-08 12:00:36 AM  
The guy filming at least had the courtesy to not disrupt the engineer's train of thought.
 
2012-06-08 12:01:29 AM  
I hear that train a comin', comin' 'round the bend, I ain't done the crossword since, I don't know when...
 
2012-06-08 12:02:43 AM  
Signals are in to make sure the engineer is paying attention. He stops reading to respond to the signals. What's the problem? Someone on the tracks? Like he's gonna be able to stop it in time. Larger obstacle? He'll be the first to go. Meh. Sounds like a nearly automated system anyway.
 
2012-06-08 12:04:51 AM  
He had no distractions reading the paper this morning.
 
2012-06-08 12:07:48 AM  
I showed this to a guy I work with who takes this line. Needless to say, he got a kick out of it.

It's good they took him off the line after this.
Asshat engineer, the farking reason you have breaks written into your job contract is to read the paper on your break.

You only have, perhaps a thousand peoples lives in your farking hands.

/20-year plus train commuter
//has a lot of respect the NJTransit crews.. great bunch of dedicated people
 
2012-06-08 12:08:23 AM  
If only there was something that trains could ride along that kept them from veering off course so that the operators could read a paper without worrying where to steer it.

/snic
 
2012-06-08 12:08:25 AM  
What's the deal with him making the sign of the cross TM about 30 seconds into the video? Is it common to say a prayer when reading the NY Post?
 
2012-06-08 12:08:41 AM  
Pshhh. That guy looks out the window more than the average person that texts while driving.

Seriously, the guy taking this video probably got in his car and facebooked and twittered the event as he was driving home, aghast at the irresponsible train conductor.

Besides, the operator had probably driven that route many times and knew when he could take a few seconds of break.
 
2012-06-08 12:08:58 AM  
Computers, how do they work?
 
2012-06-08 12:09:28 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: I showed this to a guy I work with who takes this line. Needless to say, he got a kick out of it.

It's good they took him off the line after this.
Asshat engineer, the farking reason you have breaks written into your job contract is to read the paper on your break.

You only have, perhaps a thousand peoples lives in your farking hands.

/20-year plus train commuter
//has a lot of respect the NJTransit crews.. great bunch of dedicated people


Yeah, this. Breaks are for taking a break.
 
2012-06-08 12:09:32 AM  

Marshall Willenholly: What's the deal with him making the sign of the cross TM about 30 seconds into the video? Is it common to say a prayer when reading the NY Post?


Speed reading. That's not a cross. He only has so long to read before a curve comes up.
 
2012-06-08 12:10:33 AM  
knowing their engineer is well informed

Nice try, Subby, but he's reading the Post.
 
2012-06-08 12:11:03 AM  

Marshall Willenholly: What's the deal with him making the sign of the cross TM about 30 seconds into the video? Is it common to say a prayer when reading the NY Post?


Dear God, I hope no one's watching me read this paper...
 
2012-06-08 12:14:17 AM  

CJHardin: Pshhh. That guy looks out the window more than the average person that texts while driving.

Seriously, the guy taking this video probably got in his car and facebooked and twittered the event as he was driving home, aghast at the irresponsible train conductor.

Besides, the operator had probably driven that route many times and knew when he could take a few seconds of break.


Deer know his break schedule too. Cars and the suicidal know his downtime while there are 1000 people on his train.
 
2012-06-08 12:25:47 AM  
What would Arlo Guthrie say?

/At least he wasn't passing the paper bag that holds the bottle/
 
2012-06-08 12:27:15 AM  
Dude spent way more time watching the tracks than reading the paper. FFS, he didn't get past the first inside page.

It's called peripheral vision. You can bet he was using it. And for crying out loud, it's a train. It's not very mentally stimulating to drive.
 
2012-06-08 12:27:37 AM  
Think of it as evolution in action.
 
2012-06-08 12:30:11 AM  
By the time you see a problem in a train it's already too late to do anything about it.
 
2012-06-08 12:33:09 AM  

foo monkey: CJHardin: Pshhh. That guy looks out the window more than the average person that texts while driving.

Seriously, the guy taking this video probably got in his car and facebooked and twittered the event as he was driving home, aghast at the irresponsible train conductor.

Besides, the operator had probably driven that route many times and knew when he could take a few seconds of break.

Deer know his break schedule too. Cars and the suicidal know his downtime while there are 1000 people on his train.


While this guy was definitely being very unprofessional (like another farker said, this guy was at the controls of a machine carrying lots of people), it's not like the outcome of a suicide attempt or car impact would have been any different if he had been watching it happen or not. It's being a bit overblown. The train still wouldn't have stopped in time unless he saw the obstacle from a mile off. However, what he did could have easily lead to a really nasty accident if there had been some sort of system failure with the automation of the trains.
 
2012-06-08 12:33:19 AM  

flamingboard: By the time you see a problem in a train it's already too late to do anything about it.


Yeah, but you don't want to miss that kind of thing.
 
2012-06-08 12:33:53 AM  
He looks like he knows what he's doing.

Guy needs a curtain though.
 
2012-06-08 01:02:37 AM  

Ooba Tooba: I hear that train a comin', comin' 'round the bend, I ain't done the crossword since, I don't know when...


well there's a reference I wasn't expecting
 
2012-06-08 01:05:24 AM  
But what if he had to swerve to avoid an adorable little kitten?
 
2012-06-08 01:10:18 AM  
It's a train. What are you going to do? Steer wrong?
 
2012-06-08 01:17:15 AM  
He may have run over Nummy with that devil may care attitude.
 
2012-06-08 01:18:41 AM  
Well didn't you see his uniform?

www.myteespot.com
 
2012-06-08 01:38:18 AM  

buckler: It's a train. What are you going to do? Steer wrong?


Yeah, you know what? If it's really that easy then fire them all and replace then with people making $30,000. For Eighty large plus overtime and insane pensions I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the guy to spend his whole shift looking out the window.
 
2012-06-08 01:58:39 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: buckler: It's a train. What are you going to do? Steer wrong?

Yeah, you know what? If it's really that easy then fire them all and replace then with people making $30,000. For Eighty large plus overtime and insane pensions I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the guy to spend his whole shift looking out the window.


Well if you saw something on the tracks, you're there to hit the brakes.

It's an unbelievably mindless job. I mean, sure, there are shiat jobs of all sorts, but it's a special kind of torture to send a guy out who has almost no input all day, yet is still supposed to be attentive at every moment.

It's like, say you were put in a room and told to watch a green light and instructed to respond within a couple of seconds if it ever went red. It could go red at any moment, but it doesn't go red under normal circumstances and you don't do anything else. That's maddening. I mean, flipping burgers and cleaning the grease traps, you probably don't give a shiat about cooking them really, but this is "different".
 
2012-06-08 01:59:26 AM  
beats the view of the Pelham Parkway
 
2012-06-08 04:08:58 AM  
The sad thing is that these guys make 6 figures. This is not speculation
 
2012-06-08 07:44:35 AM  

Oznog: Manfred J. Hattan: buckler: It's a train. What are you going to do? Steer wrong?

Yeah, you know what? If it's really that easy then fire them all and replace then with people making $30,000. For Eighty large plus overtime and insane pensions I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the guy to spend his whole shift looking out the window.

Well if you saw something on the tracks, you're there to hit the brakes.

It's an unbelievably mindless job. I mean, sure, there are shiat jobs of all sorts, but it's a special kind of torture to send a guy out who has almost no input all day, yet is still supposed to be attentive at every moment.

It's like, say you were put in a room and told to watch a green light and instructed to respond within a couple of seconds if it ever went red. It could go red at any moment, but it doesn't go red under normal circumstances and you don't do anything else. That's maddening. I mean, flipping burgers and cleaning the grease traps, you probably don't give a shiat about cooking them really, but this is "different".


If I were conductor I'd put a fake steering wheel on the control panel and pretend I was a grand prix or rally car race driver, and make necessary sound effects with my voice. That would make it much more interesting and no busybodies with cell phone cameras would have anything to complain about.


Mmmmmrrrrrrrrrrrooooooommmmrooooommmm mm!
 
2012-06-08 07:54:34 AM  

foo monkey: CJHardin: Pshhh. That guy looks out the window more than the average person that texts while driving.

Seriously, the guy taking this video probably got in his car and facebooked and twittered the event as he was driving home, aghast at the irresponsible train conductor.

Besides, the operator had probably driven that route many times and knew when he could take a few seconds of break.

Deer know his break schedule too. Cars and the suicidal know his downtime while there are 1000 people on his train.


Good point. That man has extensive training in stopping that train on a dime or swerving to avoid a deer. God forbid he hit a deer, it would derail the whole damn train. Even worse if someone committed suicide because the train would explode. You can ask any conductor that's still alive how they dodge these things on a daily basis.

Now suicidal deer are an entirely different matter.
 
2012-06-08 08:00:32 AM  
Here's why it matters.

Thanks to that numbnut engineer in California four years ago who was texting while operating his train...and got 25 people killed that way...passenger railroads across the country are under a federal mandate (unfunded, naturally) to install safety upgrades on top of the safety upgrades they already installed. Whether or not the safety upgrades actually upgrade safety is not relevant.

That would be another billion-dollar mandate, instead of installing cameras in the train cabs under a much-more-simple and much-less-expensive We Will Fire Your Goldbricking Ass If You Pull That Shiat program.

Yay again for public employee unions. You may have had a rough time of it in Wisconsin this week, but you still run the show in New York.
 
2012-06-08 08:16:46 AM  

Gulper Eel: Here's why it matters.

Thanks to that numbnut engineer in California four years ago who was texting while operating his train...and got 25 people killed that way...passenger railroads across the country are under a federal mandate (unfunded, naturally) to install safety upgrades on top of the safety upgrades they already installed. Whether or not the safety upgrades actually upgrade safety is not relevant.

That would be another billion-dollar mandate, instead of installing cameras in the train cabs under a much-more-simple and much-less-expensive We Will Fire Your Goldbricking Ass If You Pull That Shiat program.

Yay again for public employee unions. You may have had a rough time of it in Wisconsin this week, but you still run the show in New York.


How the hell does a mandate by the Federal Railroad Administration = public employee union win?

Why is it not relevant if the safety upgrades actually upgrade safety?

What happens when the person watching the cameras for goldbricking becomes lax and starts goldbricking themselves? Put a camera on them?

I'm not advocating that this train operator was at all responsible, but I doubt that putting cameras on the tracks would be as effective as an autonomous safety system that removes the human error aspect.
 
2012-06-08 08:58:50 AM  

CJHardin: How the hell does a mandate by the Federal Railroad Administration = public employee union win?


Point of clarification: the mandate originated in Congress.

Why is it not relevant if the safety upgrades actually upgrade safety?

You assume too much. This was kneejerk legislation passed after the California wreck. Rarely is legislation passed under such circumstances a good thing, as my Patriot Act-opposing friends have told me.

The only thing missing from this bill was a bunch of congressman calling a press conference to pat themselves on the back for passing 'Frank and Hassan and Maria and Jacques and Brittany and Jayden and Um, Those Other 19 Dead People's Law'.

In other words, the safety improvement will likely be negligible compared to the money that has to be spent, given that the railroad already is working on safety upgrades, and the money being spent on it will be coming out of more realistic upgrades elsewhere, including upgrades that would get more people off the roads (where the death rate is higher) and onto the trains.

And as for public-sector unions, no -way- would they back cameras in the cab, not even if it freed up money that could be spent on union member compensation - which is already pretty sweet. It's about showing legislators who's their daddy.
 
2012-06-08 09:30:30 AM  

Zeno-25: However, what he did could have easily lead to a really nasty accident if there had been some sort of system failure with the automation of the trains.


... which is faaaaar less likely than human error causing an accident.

His line is safety automated. There's nothing out his window that he can react to in time to change the train's path, except signals... which produce audibles, AND will force the train to brake safely if he doesn't respond.

If his job states he must be looking forward, he failed, and should be fired for passenger peace-of-mind reasons, at least. But the systems we're installing theses days will run all day without humans on board, safer than ever before. With redundancy. And fail-to-safe precautions at every juncture.
 
2012-06-08 10:42:59 AM  

Gulper Eel: Here's why it matters.

Thanks to that numbnut engineer in California four years ago who was texting while operating his train...and got 25 people killed that way...passenger railroads across the country are under a federal mandate (unfunded, naturally) to install safety upgrades on top of the safety upgrades they already installed. Whether or not the safety upgrades actually upgrade safety is not relevant.

That would be another billion-dollar mandate, instead of installing cameras in the train cabs under a much-more-simple and much-less-expensive We Will Fire Your Goldbricking Ass If You Pull That Shiat program.

Yay again for public employee unions. You may have had a rough time of it in Wisconsin this week, but you still run the show in New York.


Was waiting for the MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS whargarble. Thanks for alerting us, citizen.
 
2012-06-08 11:00:40 AM  

phoolishone: Gulper Eel: Here's why it matters.

Thanks to that numbnut engineer in California four years ago who was texting while operating his train...and got 25 people killed that way...passenger railroads across the country are under a federal mandate (unfunded, naturally) to install safety upgrades on top of the safety upgrades they already installed. Whether or not the safety upgrades actually upgrade safety is not relevant.

That would be another billion-dollar mandate, instead of installing cameras in the train cabs under a much-more-simple and much-less-expensive We Will Fire Your Goldbricking Ass If You Pull That Shiat program.

Yay again for public employee unions. You may have had a rough time of it in Wisconsin this week, but you still run the show in New York.

Was waiting for the MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS whargarble. Thanks for alerting us, citizen.


I never pay attention to the Republitards that talk about their tax dollars. Every intelligent Liberal knows that all the money belongs to the government and what you take home in your paycheck is what it allows you to keep.
 
2012-06-08 11:01:31 AM  

imprimere: Signals are in to make sure the engineer is paying attention. He stops reading to respond to the signals. What's the problem? Someone on the tracks? Like he's gonna be able to stop it in time. Larger obstacle? He'll be the first to go. Meh. Sounds like a nearly automated system anyway.


Yea. And these trains are pretty much automated. Some don't even have "drivers" these days. Subways are not like cargo rail lines.
 
2012-06-08 11:05:58 AM  

phoolishone: Was waiting for the MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS whargarble. Thanks for alerting us, citizen.


What is whargarbl about this? It's close to TSA-level stupidity. Train engineer does something idiotic, and the reaction is not a) let's do something about the idiotic train engineers, but b) without investigating the costs and consequences, let's mandate that states and cities nationwide spend billions on systems of unknown usefulness and so what if they delay spending on other needed railroad improvements (with which I have no problem)?

You, for one, welcome your grandstanding empty-suited congressional masters.
 
2012-06-08 11:19:40 AM  

Gulper Eel: phoolishone: Was waiting for the MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS whargarble. Thanks for alerting us, citizen.

What is whargarbl about this? It's close to TSA-level stupidity. Train engineer does something idiotic, and the reaction is not a) let's do something about the idiotic train engineers, but b) without investigating the costs and consequences, let's mandate that states and cities nationwide spend billions on systems of unknown usefulness and so what if they delay spending on other needed railroad improvements (with which I have no problem)?

You, for one, welcome your grandstanding empty-suited congressional masters.


So updating 50 year old crash avoidance technology is stupid? All the rail companies want to do with that money is make more lines and add more trains which will only exacerbate the current safety issues. This will more than likely have more to do with a profit and less with consideration for the public. The fact remains that the current safety measures are not acceptable. If I am welcoming my grandstanding empty-suited congressional masters by thinking that improved safety systems in rail transportation is more important than adding more trains, then so be it.
 
2012-06-08 11:26:35 AM  

Gulper Eel: phoolishone: Was waiting for the MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS whargarble. Thanks for alerting us, citizen.

What is whargarbl about this? It's close to TSA-level stupidity. Train engineer does something idiotic, and the reaction is not a) let's do something about the idiotic train engineers, but b) without investigating the costs and consequences, let's mandate that states and cities nationwide spend billions on systems of unknown usefulness and so what if they delay spending on other needed railroad improvements (with which I have no problem)?

You, for one, welcome your grandstanding empty-suited congressional masters.


Oh, and they DID do something about the idiotic train engineers. They put preempting autonomous safety measures in place to reduce the element of human error.
 
2012-06-08 03:03:21 PM  

CJHardin: Oh, and they DID do something about the idiotic train engineers. They put preempting autonomous safety measures in place to reduce the element of human error.

So updating 50 year old crash avoidance technology is stupid? All the rail companies want to do with that money is make more lines and add more trains which will only exacerbate the current safety issues. This will more than likely have more to do with a profit and less with consideration for the public. The fact remains that the current safety measures are not acceptable. If I am welcoming my grandstanding empty-suited congressional masters by thinking that improved safety systems in rail transportation is more important than adding more trains, then so be it.


Rail companies? Profit? You are talking out of your shorts. We're talking about a mandate that applies almost exclusively to public-sector-operated railroads - in the case of TFA I linked to, that's the MTA in New York. Which already has similar safety measures in place, as has been noted by commenters other than me. And what they want to do is improve their technology so as to be able to safely use more trains on the same tracks by means of automated operation that'll be safer than Joe the Lazy-Ass Metro North Engineer...thus, as I said, getting more commuters off the roads where the death toll is far, far higher. And that kind of spending I have no problem with.

But Congress, instead, demands that the municipal railroads reinvent the wheel. It doesn't actually make anybody safer, but the Congressmen get to strut and their contributors in the contracting business get to wet their beaks.

Think of it as Congress mandating that you put a second set of brakes in your car, even if the first set works just fine.
 
2012-06-08 05:01:05 PM  

Gulper Eel: CJHardin: Oh, and they DID do something about the idiotic train engineers. They put preempting autonomous safety measures in place to reduce the element of human error.

So updating 50 year old crash avoidance technology is stupid? All the rail companies want to do with that money is make more lines and add more trains which will only exacerbate the current safety issues. This will more than likely have more to do with a profit and less with consideration for the public. The fact remains that the current safety measures are not acceptable. If I am welcoming my grandstanding empty-suited congressional masters by thinking that improved safety systems in rail transportation is more important than adding more trains, then so be it.

Rail companies? Profit? You are talking out of your shorts. We're talking about a mandate that applies almost exclusively to public-sector-operated to all railroad operations -
But Congress, instead, demands that the municipal allrailroads reinvent the wheel upgrade to current technologies . It doesn't actually make's people safer.

Think of it as Congress mandating that you put a second set of brakeshave an airbag in your new car, even if the first setyour seatbelt works just fine.

 
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