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2012-06-07 08:52:37 PM  
Malcolm Gladwell and Bill Simmons?

That's got to be the Grand Unified Field Theory black hole vortex of naval-gazing narcissistic schmaltz delivered in pithy tracts masquerading as wisdom, sucking in every marketer too busy, stupid or lazy to learn anything about social psychology, and Celtics basketball fans.
 
2012-06-07 09:13:45 PM  
It's an interesting concept. Like most what if's though, it's totally pointless. He is hated because his career's been followed since high school. He is solidly in the "can't win the big one" camp right now, which Peyton will tell you is the worst spot on earth to be in. And that's before we even begin to talk about The Decision, one of the greatest media gaffes in the history of professional sports. And unfortunately, he's not getting those back.
 
2012-06-07 10:29:22 PM  

Ishkur: Malcolm Gladwell and Bill Simmons?

That's got to be the Grand Unified Field Theory black hole vortex of naval-gazing narcissistic schmaltz delivered in pithy tracts masquerading as wisdom, sucking in every marketer too busy, stupid or lazy to learn anything about social psychology, and Celtics basketball fans.


Even though I'm a big Simmons fan (neutral on Gladwell) there certainly is the potential for going way off the deep end when they have these exchanges. That said, I read the whole thing and it made a lot of sense to me.
 
2012-06-07 10:37:08 PM  
Why are we going to the take-aways from the article rather than the article itself?

Also, the nonstop internet coverage of game 6 is going to be unbearable.
 
2012-06-07 10:48:07 PM  

Ishkur: Malcolm Gladwell and Bill Simmons?

That's got to be the Grand Unified Field Theory black hole vortex of naval-gazing narcissistic schmaltz delivered in pithy tracts masquerading as wisdom, sucking in every marketer too busy, stupid or lazy to learn anything about social psychology, and Celtics basketball fans.


If forced at gunpoint to make your point in writing, Bill Simmons woulda needed three columns and well over 100 random low brow pop culture references in order to convey the meaning half as well. Gladwell would have gently started leading readers rowards your poinr, drifted well off the subject halfway through, become incurably lost himself and then finally closed the piece with an extremely well crafted rant to precisely play his regular readership's emotions in a way that unites them in ignorance and helps them forget the wild goose chase before the rant.
 
2012-06-07 11:09:32 PM  
LeBron James ruined LeBron James. In particular that crappy special called "The Decision" to announce that he'd be going to Miami...the way he treated Cleveland (his home state) during the process, etc. He's a douchebag.
 
2012-06-07 11:44:22 PM  

FriarReb98: It's an interesting concept. Like most what if's though, it's totally pointless. He is hated because his career's been followed since high school. He is solidly in the "can't win the big one" camp right now, which Peyton will tell you is the worst spot on earth to be in. And that's before we even begin to talk about The Decision, one of the greatest media gaffes in the history of professional sports. And unfortunately, he's not getting those back.


IF he was born 10 years earlier its very likely that he would not have been followed since high school and "The Decision" would have never been broadcast. There was no PTI, No Skip Bayless, and no Stephen A. Smith. ESPN actually showed sports during the day and not a bunch of annoying idiots.
 
2012-06-07 11:52:55 PM  
"It's a little different than Canada -- where they somehow utilize 147.3 percent of the available hockey talent."

Ha!
 
2012-06-08 12:04:40 AM  
\MALCOLM GLADWELL: Every Part Of LeBron James' Life Would Be Better If He Was Born 10 Years Earlier


Yeah his Mom would have been six then and not a crack whore yet, and his dad hadnt even got his second striike yet. Hell he coulda maybe \even lost championships for Detroit and Seattle instead of Cleveland and Miami if he had been born 10 years earlier. Best of all his career would be over already and we'd onlu be hearing about him in those "Former Rich Athlete is currently neither" articles.*

* What is it about reading an ESPN hack's sensationalist write-up about old broke ex athletes (who lives on bigger budgets than most old folks who dont work) that makes sports farkers lose their damned minds? These farkers have NEVER been rich nor athletic nor socially gifted nor old nor close to anyone who is, but they read bout a broke ass ex jock and suddenly they are moved to vehemently reveal their master plans to forever end poverty in wastral old jocks. The schemes I think are epiphanies from the same higher power which provides them with blueprints ro replace the BCS and the middle east governments with pleasant things that work smoothly for everyone involved..
 
2012-06-08 01:31:29 AM  
I appreciate that all the cool kids hate Simmons, but

i) that was one of the better pieces on sports and media you'll read this month.

ii) Gladwell brings out the best in Simmons, by forcing him to argue his point cogently (mainly) rather than with a barrage of irrelevant pop culture references that would cause Seth MacFarlane to say "Wooahhh, slow down".

I don't buy the bit about talent identification, mind.
 
2012-06-08 07:08:50 AM  

slayer199: LeBron James ruined LeBron James. In particular that crappy special called "The Decision" to announce that he'd be going to Miami...the way he treated Cleveland (his home state) during the process, etc. He's a douchebag.


Name the three best draft choices of the Cleveland Cavs over the last 15 years.
 
2012-06-08 07:43:31 AM  

Komplex: slayer199: LeBron James ruined LeBron James. In particular that crappy special called "The Decision" to announce that he'd be going to Miami...the way he treated Cleveland (his home state) during the process, etc. He's a douchebag.

Name the three best draft choices of the Cleveland Cavs over the last 15 years.


Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!
 
2012-06-08 08:54:05 AM  

FreakinB: Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!


Irving is pretty damned good, but I doubt Cleveland gets too many #1 overall picks if LeBron stays.
 
2012-06-08 08:59:05 AM  

you have pee hands: FreakinB: Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!

Irving is pretty damned good, but I doubt Cleveland gets too many #1 overall picks if LeBron stays.


Orlando managed it years ago with back-to-back #1's. Shaq and tehn Chris Webber (who was immediately traded for Penny Hardaway)
 
2012-06-08 08:59:05 AM  

Shoop008: ESPN actually showed sports during the day and not a bunch of annoying idiots.


You know how I know you don't know many professional athletes?

/ They were just showing a bunch of annoying idiots playing third tier sports instead of talking about them.
 
2012-06-08 09:28:37 AM  

Shoop008: FriarReb98: It's an interesting concept. Like most what if's though, it's totally pointless. He is hated because his career's been followed since high school. He is solidly in the "can't win the big one" camp right now, which Peyton will tell you is the worst spot on earth to be in. And that's before we even begin to talk about The Decision, one of the greatest media gaffes in the history of professional sports. And unfortunately, he's not getting those back.

IF he was born 10 years earlier its very likely that he would not have been followed since high school and "The Decision" would have never been broadcast. There was no PTI, No Skip Bayless, and no Stephen A. Smith. ESPN actually showed sports during the day and not a bunch of annoying idiots.


I would cut off three of my fingers for a world without Stephen A. Smith.
 
2012-06-08 09:32:37 AM  

LucklessWonder: you have pee hands: FreakinB: Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!

Irving is pretty damned good, but I doubt Cleveland gets too many #1 overall picks if LeBron stays.

Orlando managed it years ago with back-to-back #1's. Shaq and tehn Chris Webber (who was immediately traded for Penny Hardaway)


And the NBA changed the lottery because of it. Thus encouraging the massive tanking we see today.

The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

Remember, if one of the reasons why you hate LeBron is because he left Cleveland, then you have to hate the Thunder for the same reason.
 
2012-06-08 09:39:34 AM  

IHateLongIsland:

In response to your handle I have to say, as a lifelong resident (aside from college, when I ventured all the way to the city), that it's not so bad as long as you associate with the right people. And they do exist.

Komplex: The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990


I couldn't agree more.
 
2012-06-08 09:45:50 AM  

Komplex: LucklessWonder: you have pee hands: FreakinB: Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!

Irving is pretty damned good, but I doubt Cleveland gets too many #1 overall picks if LeBron stays.

Orlando managed it years ago with back-to-back #1's. Shaq and tehn Chris Webber (who was immediately traded for Penny Hardaway)

And the NBA changed the lottery because of it. Thus encouraging the massive tanking we see today.

The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

Remember, if one of the reasons why you hate LeBron is because he left Cleveland, then you have to hate the Thunder for the same reason.


The Thunder left Cleveland?

I'm actually kind of conflicted, I'd like to see Durant win a title, but because the team he's in set a bad precedent and screwed Seattle, I don't want OKC to be champions. I wouldn't mind seeing LeBron win a title just so the ESPN story shifts away from the can't win the big one narrative, but I loathe the Miami Heat because of Pat Riley and them being an in state rival of the team I support. Also, the way their 2006 title was officiated taints them. I'm sick of Boston fans in general, and on Fark in particular crowing every time a Boston team wins a title, but they are the one team that I don't mind seeing win this year. Go C's, I guess.
 
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2012-06-08 10:33:40 AM  

Komplex: The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990.


Yeah but Glenn Beck doesn't play basketball.

Sports fans in general seem to have a strong sense of schadenfreude about hyped up players, even if the hype is generated solely by the media. In this case, it would seem that in the past he's done plenty to help create that hype himself, so you're going to have folks who enjoy watching him lose just as much as they may like watching someone else win.
 
2012-06-08 10:38:33 AM  

mikaloyd: Ishkur: Malcolm Gladwell and Bill Simmons?

That's got to be the Grand Unified Field Theory black hole vortex of naval-gazing narcissistic schmaltz delivered in pithy tracts masquerading as wisdom, sucking in every marketer too busy, stupid or lazy to learn anything about social psychology, and Celtics basketball fans.

If forced at gunpoint to make your point in writing, Bill Simmons woulda needed three columns and well over 100 random low brow pop culture references in order to convey the meaning half as well. Gladwell would have gently started leading readers rowards your poinr, drifted well off the subject halfway through, become incurably lost himself and then finally closed the piece with an extremely well crafted rant to precisely play his regular readership's emotions in a way that unites them in ignorance and helps them forget the wild goose chase before the rant.


It's called being entertaining. Sure, Simmons could make his point using less words, but then not nearly as many people would read his columns. You may not care for his writing style, but a lot of people disagree with you.
 
2012-06-08 10:45:30 AM  

Komplex: The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990.


I root against LeBron, I don't hate him. I certainly dislike him more than Tiger Woods, who doesn't really belong lumped in with Ben Rothlesberger, Mike Vick, Ray Lewis, or (random Internet meme).
 
2012-06-08 10:54:50 AM  

tommylikewingy: It's called being entertaining. Sure, Simmons could make his point using less words, but then not nearly as many people would read his columns. You may not care for his writing style, but a lot of people disagree with you.


I know when I'm reading his columns at work to kill time, I want them over as quickly as possible so I can work more! God it sucks spending time on entertainment!
 
2012-06-08 10:56:41 AM  
1. Every part of LeBron's life would be better if he was born in 1970. Gladwell said: "... I do believe that there are moments when the particular mix of available technologies don't actually combine to make your life better - and I think we're in one of those moments now."

He said LeBron would be able to live a "normal life" while making just as much money and having the conversation about him reduced by "a factor of 10."


Being a world-famous entertainer without blatantly being an insufferable dick to your former employers/coaches/teammates/fans would also help.
 
2012-06-08 11:14:21 AM  

cjmook21: Being a world-famous entertainer without blatantly being an insufferable dick to your former employers/coaches/teammates/fans would also help.


Didn't hurt any of the guys who played in the '80s-'90s.
 
2012-06-08 11:18:54 AM  

Komplex: The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

Remember, if one of the reasons why you hate LeBron is because he left Cleveland, then you have to hate the Thunder for the same reason.

1) I can dislike different people for different reasons. I can dislike rothlesburger, kobe, or vick for more serous (and criminal offenses) and still dislike lebron becuase he's a d-bag. It's an "A" or "B" situation.

2) Most people don't hate lebron for leaving (Cleveland does)...its how he left. As a 25 year old with $200 million; I'd probably want to live in miami with "my boys" too. He played out his contract; he has every right to go wherever he wants.

BUT....He didn't politely tell his former team he was leaving...he kept his decision a secret and then he requested a 1 hour fellatio session special on espn so the whole world could suck his---watch his decision. Then after the blowback from his stupidity on that little PR disaster, he decided to proclaim that he was going to win 8 rings...

In real people terms....It's the difference between giving your boss two weeks notice, thanking him/her for the opportunity, and politely leaving shaking the hands of everyone on the way out....and (say) showing up one random day, giving your boss the middle finger, and telling him off becuase you're taking this sweet new job in Florida.

In sports terms....It's the difference between the way Peyton Manning left Indy and how lebron left cleveland.
 
2012-06-08 11:22:45 AM  

Komplex: Name the three best draft choices of the Cleveland Cavs over the last 15 years.


I'm not saying Cleveland gets a pass. The point is that James kept them on the hook and built up anticipation of his self-aggrandizing "Decision" show. He could have basically said, "You guys haven't made the team competitive enough for me to win a title here. I'm leaving." While that would have resulted in some butthurt from Cleveland fans, people would have understood and respected James for handling it in that manner.
 
2012-06-08 11:35:04 AM  

mikaloyd: Hell he coulda maybe \even lost championships for Detroit and Seattle instead of Cleveland and Miami if he had been born 10 years earlier.


If Lebron was in the 1993 draft instead, the top (3) of the draft went: Chris Webber - Orlando (traded to Golden State), Shawn Bradley - Philadelphia, Anfernee Hardaway (traded to Orlando). Lebron going to Orlando with Shaq would have been interesting, although I don't doubt he'd have been traded to Golden State too.

you have pee hands: FreakinB: Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!

Irving is pretty damned good, but I doubt Cleveland gets too many #1 overall picks if LeBron stays.


That pick belonged to the Clippers so, yes, they could have had Irving and Lebron.
 
2012-06-08 11:36:28 AM  

mrtoadswildride: Komplex: The Decision and the Party were stupid PR moves, but that's all they are stupid PR moves. It's silly to still be butthurt over it. It's not like he cheated on his wife with a bunch of stanky strippers, or rape a couple of girls in the bathroom of a club, or engaged in dogfighting, or obstructed a murder investigation, or raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

Remember, if one of the reasons why you hate LeBron is because he left Cleveland, then you have to hate the Thunder for the same reason.
1) I can dislike different people for different reasons. I can dislike rothlesburger, kobe, or vick for more serous (and criminal offenses) and still dislike lebron becuase he's a d-bag. It's an "A" or "B" situation.

2) Most people don't hate lebron for leaving (Cleveland does)...its how he left. As a 25 year old with $200 million; I'd probably want to live in miami with "my boys" too. He played out his contract; he has every right to go wherever he wants.

BUT....He didn't politely tell his former team he was leaving...he kept his decision a secret and then he requested a 1 hour fellatio session special on espn so the whole world could suck his---watch his decision. Then after the blowback from his stupidity on that little PR disaster, he decided to proclaim that he was going to win 8 rings...

In real people terms....It's the difference between giving your boss two weeks notice, thanking him/her for the opportunity, and politely leaving shaking the hands of everyone on the way out....and (say) showing up one random day, giving your boss the middle finger, and telling him off becuase you're taking this sweet new job in Florida.

In sports terms....It's the difference between the way Peyton Manning left Indy and how lebron left cleveland.


Do you have the same hate for Michael Jordan? If you read enough about him you'll realize he was a poor sport and a bad teammate. He often humiliated his opponents, ripped his teammates to shreds if they didn't live up to his standards, and even punched teammates in practice on multiple occasions. Sure, he won a lot of championships, and maybe people forgive his behavior because of that, but that doesn't mean he wasn't/isn't a dick.

LeBron, on the other hand, has been talked about as a great teammate by almost anyone who has played with him. You may argue that he cares more about his brand than winning, and you might be right. That being said, I don't really understand all of the hate directed toward him.

I think he was completely oblivious about how people would react to "The Decision". I don't really think that it was his idea, but more so his agent/management, and he went along with it. Think about it, if you had people kissing your ass and telling you how good you were from the age of 14, you probably wouldn't be very well adjusted and/or self aware either. I don't think that makes him a terrible person worthy of hate though.
 
2012-06-08 11:38:46 AM  

Droog8912: mikaloyd: Hell he coulda maybe \even lost championships for Detroit and Seattle instead of Cleveland and Miami if he had been born 10 years earlier.

If Lebron was in the 1993 draft instead, the top (3) of the draft went: Chris Webber - Orlando (traded to Golden State), Shawn Bradley - Philadelphia, Anfernee Hardaway (traded to Orlando). Lebron going to Orlando with Shaq would have been interesting, although I don't doubt he'd have been traded to Golden State too.

you have pee hands: FreakinB: Hey, if LeBron couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving then he's terrible and Delonte West is now president!

Irving is pretty damned good, but I doubt Cleveland gets too many #1 overall picks if LeBron stays.

That pick belonged to the Clippers so, yes, they could have had Irving and Lebron.


No, they wouldn't have. They only got the Clippers pick because they took on Baron Davis' huge contract, something they would not have been able to do if Lebron had stayed.
 
2012-06-08 11:40:36 AM  

tommylikewingy:
No, they wouldn't have. They only got the Clippers pick because they took on Baron Davis' huge contract, something they would not have been able to do if Lebron had stayed.


I'm not going to argue the "would they trade xxx", all I said was the pick was not the Cleveland pick.
 
2012-06-08 11:42:20 AM  

mrtoadswildride: In sports terms....It's the difference between the way Peyton Manning left Indy and how lebron left cleveland.


He should've sat out for a year and gotten paid $20 million for not doing anything, then waffled and gone wherever would pay him the most?

slayer199: The point is that James kept them on the hook and built up anticipation of his self-aggrandizing "Decision" show. He could have basically said, "You guys haven't made the team competitive enough for me to win a title here. I'm leaving." While that would have resulted in some butthurt from Cleveland fans, people would have understood and respected James for handling it in that manner.


He announced "The Decision" on July 8. The NBA season ended June 17 and free agency begins July 1. He couldn't go enter talks with teams until July 1. Players could not sign with a new team until...July 8. He said the entire time he was on his last contract that he wanted to explore free agency and see his options. So he signed on Day 1 of being able to sign with a new team. Wow, he really strung it out!

Of course, now everyone's going to blame him for not saying something sooner...is he supposed to say mid-season that yeah, he's leaving his team because they suck? Is he supposed to lie and say he's staying for sure? No - the media had to create a story and spent two years speculating about what would happen when his contract was over, so of course it seems like he was stringing them along, when all he ever said was "I want to explore free agency, let's stop talking about this and focus on basketball for the season."
 
2012-06-08 11:44:35 AM  

Droog8912: tommylikewingy:
No, they wouldn't have. They only got the Clippers pick because they took on Baron Davis' huge contract, something they would not have been able to do if Lebron had stayed.

I'm not going to argue the "would they trade xxx", all I said was the pick was not the Cleveland pick.


You won't argue it because you are wrong. If they had kept Lebron, they would have been over salary cap, and wouldn't have been able to trade for the Clips pick in a trade that was basically a salary dump. The lesson being, if you have the best player in the world on your team and you are guaranteed to make the playoffs every year, it is very hard to improve your team, especially through the draft.
 
2012-06-08 11:52:13 AM  
Furthermore, yes, the Decision was bad form from a PR perspective - but instead of just having a press conference, which would get just as many eyes and be all about him anyway, he wound up earning $4 million for a charity. What a dick!

The 8 championships "guarantee:"

Here's the link, his actual quote: "We believe we can win multiple championships if we take care of business and do it the right way." Everything else in the clip is hype because it's a pep rally (which is the part that annoys me - that they all went to Miami, a place that can get three of the best players in the league and still NEED a pep rally to sell tickets).

OMGZ WHAT AN EGO-DRIVEN DOUCHEBAG! He thought, after once making the Finals with the corpse of Larry Hughes and Mo Williams being the second-best player on the team during his entire career there, that it would be easy to win titles while teaming up with two guys! He's since learned that it's still difficult and has pretty much been nothing but a class act all playoff year long. But let's keep hating him over a media-inflated quote from a pep rally two years ago!
 
2012-06-08 02:17:13 PM  

tommylikewingy: Do you have the same hate for Michael Jordan? If you read enough about him you'll realize he was a poor sport and a bad teammate. He often humiliated his opponents, ripped his teammates to shreds if they didn't live up to his standards, and even punched teammates in practice on multiple occasions. Sure, he won a lot of championships, and maybe people forgive his behavior because of that, but that doesn't mean he wasn't/isn't a dick.


Apples to oranges...specifically in the fact that I'm taling Lebron james. I don't care what Jordan did/didn't do. it has nothing to do with how Lebron James has acted in the last few years. James isn't less of a dick simply becuase someone else is one.

LeBron, on the other hand, has been talked about as a great teammate by almost anyone who has played with him. You may argue that he cares more about his brand than winning, and you might be right. That being said, I don't really understand all of the hate directed toward him.

I"ll spell it out. The way he left cleveland was unprofessional and childish. Not that he left, THE WAY HE LEFT. Every aspect of that whole decision making process, including "the decision" looked like it should have been an episode of "my super sweet 16."


I won't pretend to know the etiquette for signing an NBA player and making that announcement...But I don't remember anything like "the decision" when shaq (in his prime) moved to LA, garnett moved to Boston, A-rod went to the yankess...etc.


I think he was completely oblivious about how people would react to "The Decision". I don't really think that it was his idea, but more so his agent/management, and he went along with it. Think about it, if you had people kissing your ass and telling you how good you were from the age of 14, you probably wouldn't be very well adjusted and/or self aware either. I don't think that makes him a terrible person worthy of hate though.

See, if it was just the decision..people would have let it slide. Especially if he had said "This was my bad. I (and my camp) never really examined the potential drawbacks of our actions. I'm sorry. In hindsight, I realize now that it was unprofessional and I should have informed everyone involved of my decision...etc"

But then he ads in his "8 rings speech", his chosen 1 tattoo, his cutesy little, "what should I do?" commercial...he doesn't get it at all. They don't hate him...they think he's a d-bag

/All he's ever said is "maybe he would have done things a little different"
 
2012-06-08 02:29:56 PM  

IAmRight: Furthermore, yes, the Decision was bad form from a PR perspective - but instead of just having a press conference, which would get just as many eyes and be all about him anyway, he wound up earning $4 million for a charity. What a dick!

The 8 championships "guarantee:"

Here's the link, his actual quote: "We believe we can win multiple championships if we take care of business and do it the right way." Everything else in the clip is hype because it's a pep rally (which is the part that annoys me - that they all went to Miami, a place that can get three of the best players in the league and still NEED a pep rally to sell tickets).

OMGZ WHAT AN EGO-DRIVEN DOUCHEBAG! He thought, after once making the Finals with the corpse of Larry Hughes and Mo Williams being the second-best player on the team during his entire career there, that it would be easy to win titles while teaming up with two guys! He's since learned that it's still difficult and has pretty much been nothing but a class act all playoff year long. But let's keep hating him over a media-inflated quote from a pep rally two years ago!


Wow, you and LeBron should get a room somewhere.

Since you don't have a problem with LeBron, it may be difficult for you to understand why people think he's a douchebag.
 
2012-06-08 02:57:57 PM  

mrtoadswildride: I"ll spell it out. The way he left cleveland was unprofessional and childish. Not that he left, THE WAY HE LEFT. Every aspect of that whole decision making process, including "the decision" looked like it should have been an episode of "my super sweet 16."


I won't pretend to know the etiquette for signing an NBA player and making that announcement...But I don't remember anything like "the decision" when shaq (in his prime) moved to LA, garnett moved to Boston, A-rod went to the yankess...etc.


You are actually making Gladwell/Simmons' point, There wasn't nearly the same amount of press following Shaq/A-Rod during their "decision" (and KG was past his prime). During LeBron's final year in Cleveland every city asked him where he was going to go next year. Every Team which thought they had a chance to sign him were making one-sided trades to clear cap space. Basketball related websites had at least one post a day. It was a story everyday on ESPN, etc...

This was uncharted territory of media saturation and LeBron made two wrong decisions:
1) Not to give Cleveland a heads up that he wasn't going to resign at the end of the season.
2) Announcing his "decision" at the end of the show instead of in the beginning.

They were stupid, and everybody had the right to call him out for the misstep, but it's almost two years ago. Grow the fark up.

Because of the blowback against James we have witnessed the following:
1) Carmelo telling Denver he wasn't going to stay and would only play in NYC.
2) The Dwight Howard circus.

So what we've learned since the decision?

You are farked if you do and farked if you don't.
 
2012-06-08 03:25:35 PM  

slayer199: Wow, you and LeBron should get a room somewhere.


Other rule of the internet: Every time you speak rationally and don't surround anything with bullsh*t, you must have some generic homosexual suggestion thrown at you.

Komplex: 1) Not to give Cleveland a heads up that he wasn't going to resign at the end of the season.
2) Announcing his "decision" at the end of the show instead of in the beginning.


Well, he announced the decision about halfway through the show (ESPN had a pre-decision show that became the show for a while. And supposedly he did contact the Cavs a few minutes prior to the announcement, if the articles put out at the time are to be believed. Someone also leaked the information all over social media (probably the Cavs) prior to the airing of the show anyway (I remember I found out it was all but certain before the special aired).

/checked the Fark thread from the Decision and it was 9:27 when it was announced (hour-long special starting at 9)
 
2012-06-08 05:17:52 PM  

Komplex: mrtoadswildride: I"ll spell it out. The way he left cleveland was unprofessional and childish. Not that he left, THE WAY HE LEFT. Every aspect of that whole decision making process, including "the decision" looked like it should have been an episode of "my super sweet 16."


I won't pretend to know the etiquette for signing an NBA player and making that announcement...But I don't remember anything like "the decision" when shaq (in his prime) moved to LA, garnett moved to Boston, A-rod went to the yankess...etc.

You are actually making Gladwell/Simmons' point, There wasn't nearly the same amount of press following Shaq/A-Rod during their "decision" (and KG was past his prime). During LeBron's final year in Cleveland every city asked him where he was going to go next year. Every Team which thought they had a chance to sign him were making one-sided trades to clear cap space. Basketball related websites had at least one post a day. It was a story everyday on ESPN, etc...

This was uncharted territory of media saturation and LeBron made two wrong decisions:
1) Not to give Cleveland a heads up that he wasn't going to resign at the end of the season.
2) Announcing his "decision" at the end of the show instead of in the beginning.

They were stupid, and everybody had the right to call him out for the misstep, but it's almost two years ago. Grow the fark up.

Because of the blowback against James we have witnessed the following:
1) Carmelo telling Denver he wasn't going to stay and would only play in NYC.
2) The Dwight Howard circus.

So what we've learned since the decision?

You are farked if you do and farked if you don't.



Mark teixera, alberlt pujols, crawl crawford, adrian gonzalez, chris paul, CC sabathia....If I really thought about it..I'm sure I cold list more.

This isn't uncharted territory. Big name players move teams all the time. It happens.

Let's ignore the decision....You're still ignoring the all the other things he's done since then, his what should I do commercial?, his 8 ring speech...and the fact that has never admitted he did anything wrong...or apologized the people involved (publicly or privately). The closet he's come is say that he's sorry about how it was perceived...." (translation: he's not sorry he did it...he's sorry it upset people and hurt his image).

Honestly, I don't care what he does or who he plays for. But don't pretend he's not an arrogant, selfish d-bag.
 
2012-06-08 05:31:33 PM  
mrtoadswildride:
Apples to oranges...specifically in the fact that I'm taling Lebron james. I don't care what Jordan did/didn't do. it has nothing to do with how Lebron James has acted in the last few years. James isn't less of a dick simply becuase someone else is one.


It doesn't have anything to do with what Jordan did/didn't do, but it shows that you and pretty much everyone on earth hold Lebron to a higher standard.
 
2012-06-08 10:37:01 PM  

IAmRight: Other rule of the internet: Every time you speak rationally and don't surround anything with bullsh*t, you must have some generic homosexual suggestion thrown at you.


Obviously I was being facetious.

The following sums up why James is a douchebag...his statement:

"All the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. They can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. But they have to get back to the real world at some point."
 
2012-06-08 10:46:49 PM  

tommylikewingy: mrtoadswildride:
Apples to oranges...specifically in the fact that I'm taling Lebron james. I don't care what Jordan did/didn't do. it has nothing to do with how Lebron James has acted in the last few years. James isn't less of a dick simply becuase someone else is one.

It doesn't have anything to do with what Jordan did/didn't do, but it shows that you and pretty much everyone on earth hold Lebron to a higher standard.


It's no different standard than what Jordan, Manning, and A-Rod were held to. Those guys were considered the best at what they did, and they were called out endlessly for not being able to win the big one, until they finally won. Lebron gets that same treatment until he wins a title. It just gets amplified for Lebron because we've been told since he was in high school that he was the best.
 
2012-06-09 04:50:01 PM  

mrtoadswildride: and the fact that has never admitted he did anything wrong...or apologized the people involved (publicly or privately).


What, precisely, should he apologize for? For leaving? For using his position to raise several million dollars for kids' charities while becoming demonized personally? For participating in a pep rally and saying he thinks his new team can win multiple championships (which was the entire purpose for leaving Cleveland)?

90% of the buttmad is completely irrational and based on others' expectations of him, not based on anything he is responsible for or did wrong.
 
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