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(American Thinker)   While the failures of public labor unions in Wisconsin get all the air time, no one is bothering to mention the ass kicking they took in California   (americanthinker.com) divider line 206
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2012-06-07 10:04:15 AM
Corporate media biased towards unions?

Color me shocked
 
2012-06-07 10:18:55 AM

cman: Corporate media biased towards unions?

Color me shocked


Did you just take the conclusion of an American Thinker article and respond "Well, duh"? Shame on you.
 
2012-06-07 10:19:40 AM
So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.
 
2012-06-07 10:20:32 AM

kingoomieiii: cman: Corporate media biased towards unions?

Color me shocked

Did you just take the conclusion of an American Thinker article and respond "Well, duh"? Shame on you.


No. I said in that thread that I could not read past the second paragraph.
 
2012-06-07 10:22:25 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.


Corporate brainwashing is complete.
 
2012-06-07 10:23:42 AM
California VOTERS are the idiots. What did they think would happen when they decided to throw everyone in prison with a "3 strikes" law? So California has overcrowded prisons now, and has to build more prisons and has to staff those prisons. Also they need more police more judges more lawyers, etc...All public sector workers.
 
2012-06-07 10:24:08 AM

cman: kingoomieiii: cman: Corporate media biased towards unions?

Color me shocked

Did you just take the conclusion of an American Thinker article and respond "Well, duh"? Shame on you.

No. I said in that thread that I could not read past the second paragraph.


OH WOW

My reading comprehension is worse today than normal.

fark
 
2012-06-07 10:28:20 AM

kingoomieiii: Did you just take the conclusion of an American Thinker article and respond "Well, duh"? Shame on you.


You're just being negative because American Thinker said something anti-liberal.
 
2012-06-07 10:30:13 AM

kronicfeld: kingoomieiii: Did you just take the conclusion of an American Thinker article and respond "Well, duh"? Shame on you.

You're just being negative because American Thinker said something anti-liberal.


Let me know when they say something pro-liberal. That's the day I stop being one.
 
2012-06-07 10:32:46 AM

cman: Corporate media biased towards unions?

Color me shocked


WTF is wrong with me today?

Why is my reading comprehension so farking poor?
 
2012-06-07 10:34:51 AM

cman: Corporate media biased towards unions?

Color me shocked


I sure would be shocked if corporations were fellating labor.
 
2012-06-07 10:45:27 AM

kronicfeld: kingoomieiii: Did you just take the conclusion of an American Thinker article and respond "Well, duh"? Shame on you.

You're just being negative because American Thinker said something anti-liberal.


I'm being negative because American Thinker publishes only anti-reality articles, and still gets greened. Even with headlines that paraphrase the article's premise and contain zero jokes.

Oh well. I guess it's seriously not news, because half the shiat the man is afraid of isn't farking real.
 
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2012-06-07 11:07:02 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.


That's kind of typical. They also try to devalue science and education because they are ignorant rather than learn. They want to stop immigration rather than acquire skills so they don't have to compete for unskilled jobs.

Generally they are people who want to pull others down to their level rather than improve themselves.
 
2012-06-07 11:07:30 AM
There's no way all this anti-union BS will come back to bite the American worker in the ass down the line. Nope, no possible way.
 
2012-06-07 11:39:47 AM
Corporate media biased towards unions?


holy fark is this not the dumbest sentence ever committed to the electronic ether?
 
2012-06-07 11:46:32 AM

Lando Lincoln: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.

Corporate brainwashing is complete.


Get out, everybody. Get out of the corporate game if you don't love it. You can start a business. You really can. It's like $175 for a license, depending where you live. I did it when I was 14, and I'm a fecking moron. You can do it! Don't trade your freedom to an employer. If the government made you work 8 hours a day for them just to get by, you'd be murdering those assholes in the streets. I realize working for a corporation is voluntary, but if you don't feel fulfilled or it starts to feel less than advantageous, find something else, I implore you. Get into a family-based business that works or become a partner in something. You don't have to stay in an abusive relationship. You can take charge of your life.

Do we all love corporations so much that we can't bear to leave them? There are other options.

You do not have to stay in a relationship you feel abused in. You don't.


No, you don't.
 
2012-06-07 11:52:01 AM
Voters in San Diego and San Jose, the 8th and tenth biggest municipalities in the United States, decisively voted to redistribute income from the rich (public employees) to the middle class

Stopped reading there

/you f*cking moron, WHO DO YOU THINK THE MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYERS ARE?
 
2012-06-07 12:04:20 PM

Jackson Herring: Corporate media biased towards unions?


holy fark is this not the dumbest sentence ever committed to the electronic ether?


"Christianity has never engaged in genocide"
 
2012-06-07 12:05:33 PM

vernonFL: California VOTERS are the idiots. What did they think would happen when they decided to throw everyone in prison with a "3 strikes" law? So California has overcrowded prisons now, and has to build more prisons and has to staff those prisons. Also they need more police more judges more lawyers, etc...All public sector workers.


JOBS!!!!!1! Why do you hate the economy?
 
2012-06-07 12:06:14 PM

kingoomieiii: Jackson Herring: Corporate media biased towards unions?


holy fark is this not the dumbest sentence ever committed to the electronic ether?

"Christianity has never engaged in genocide"


"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

"Mission Accomplished."
 
2012-06-07 12:10:32 PM
thinkprogress.org
Unions have been getting their asses kicked for a while now, just like the middle class. Maybe the pace is speeding up as anti-union corporate power increases, but this is nothing new.
 
2012-06-07 12:21:21 PM
This society is farked up when Corporations, whose only reason for existence is to make money for the shareholders and protect it are praised, while Unions, whose reason for creation was to protect workers, are vilified.

Corporations are people and unions are evil, apparently. Unfarkingbelievable.
 
2012-06-07 12:28:02 PM
Let's just ban unions already and get it over with. I'm sure a future President Romney can use a strike as a terrorist act and put all of them on the State Department's terrorist list or something.

/we actually WANT to be a third world shiathole out of a misplaced sense of "independence".
 
2012-06-07 12:28:45 PM

Wangiss: Get out, everybody. Get out of the corporate game if you don't love it. You can start a business. You really can. It's like $175 for a license, depending where you live.


Commercial brewer's licenses cost a good deal more than that.
 
2012-06-07 12:29:03 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: This society is farked up when Corporations, whose only reason for existence is to make money for the shareholders and protect it are praised, while Unions, whose reason for creation was to protect workers, are vilified.

Corporations are people and unions are evil, apparently. Unfarkingbelievable.


I dunno, man. Seems like the movement that brought us unions here was pretty important. The Labor movement got us the 40-hour week, an extra holiday, and even aided feminists in the fight against sex discrimination in the workplace. But is there no point at which their efforts get, I dunno, ridiculous? Unions negotiate for the workers, which is fine, but Public Unions also get to vote their boss in, then use a portion (dues) of the tax money the boss gives them as campaign donations. You don't see a conflict of interest there?
 
2012-06-07 12:31:46 PM
Also, if corporations are so butthurt about unions, why not provide awesome benefits in advance so that they can't take root in the first place? Oh right, that means that the CEO won't be able to afford his 5th Gulfstream jet.
 
2012-06-07 12:33:13 PM

Lando Lincoln: Wangiss: Get out, everybody. Get out of the corporate game if you don't love it. You can start a business. You really can. It's like $175 for a license, depending where you live.

Commercial brewer's licenses cost a good deal more than that.


Building a power plant does, too.
 
2012-06-07 12:37:02 PM

themindiswatching: Also, if corporations are so butthurt about unions, why not provide awesome benefits in advance so that they can't take root in the first place? Oh right, that means that the CEO won't be able to afford his 5th Gulfstream jet.


The company I'm working with right now does that (the bennefits, not the jet). It's consistently voted best to work for in the region. It's easy to bring in good talent that way.
 
2012-06-07 12:37:03 PM

Wangiss: Lando Lincoln: Wangiss: Get out, everybody. Get out of the corporate game if you don't love it. You can start a business. You really can. It's like $175 for a license, depending where you live.

Commercial brewer's licenses cost a good deal more than that.

Building a power plant does, too.


So you're refuting your own premise? Uh...okay.
 
2012-06-07 12:42:42 PM

Lando Lincoln: Wangiss: Lando Lincoln: Wangiss: Get out, everybody. Get out of the corporate game if you don't love it. You can start a business. You really can. It's like $175 for a license, depending where you live.

Commercial brewer's licenses cost a good deal more than that.

Building a power plant does, too.

So you're refuting your own premise? Uh...okay.


No, I'm not refuting my own premise. Think harder.
 
2012-06-07 12:50:59 PM

Wangiss: I dunno, man. Seems like the movement that brought us unions here was pretty important. The Labor movement got us the 40-hour week, an extra holiday, and even aided feminists in the fight against sex discrimination in the workplace. But is there no point at which their efforts get, I dunno, ridiculous? Unions negotiate for the workers, which is fine, but Public Unions also get to vote their boss in, then use a portion (dues) of the tax money the boss gives them as campaign donations. You don't see a conflict of interest there?


Sure I do. But to the GOP, Corporations are blessed entities, the paragon of all that is good and holy, the beacon of free market freedom, and as such should have no restrictions or regulations on them, even though they exist to do one thing: make money, and keep it, regardless of who gets farked over in the process, even if if is the entire nation that suffers.

Unions at least started out as a way to protect workers (from those same Corporations, BTW,) and while they have their share of corruption, it is nowhere near what goes on in corporate America.

The amount of vitriol thrown at unions is vastly disproportionate to that which is thrown at corporations, who deserve it much more, and who are being given more and more power and rights while unions are having theirs stripped away.
 
2012-06-07 01:01:18 PM
I don't got mine, fark you?


Good thing the pension reform in San Jose will be overturned. The city has contracts with the Public Employee Unions that they signed off on. No judge in their right mind would void those contracts.
 
2012-06-07 01:01:34 PM
Yeah, kick their asses. We don't need public service employees. The zombie apocalypse is coming and it will be everyone for themselves!
 
2012-06-07 01:02:00 PM
It's surprising how many Americans are anti-labor.

They might rethink their position when they're homeless.
 
2012-06-07 01:02:42 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.


Yep, that's always the way I've viewed it as well. Instead of organizing to make their own pay and benefits better they'd rather screw everyone who is doing better than them. I've never really understood it myself.
 
2012-06-07 01:03:51 PM
The first sentence of the article was: "Voters in San Diego and San Jose, the 8th and tenth biggest municipalities in the United States, decisively voted to redistribute income from the rich (public employees) to the middle class taxpayers who earn far less on average."

WTF?

Is this an attempt at deflection, brain-breaking cognitive dissonance, or just colossal dickery?
 
2012-06-07 01:04:58 PM
it's a harbinger.

tremble and weep more.
 
2012-06-07 01:06:45 PM

vernonFL: California VOTERS are the idiots. What did they think would happen when they decided to throw everyone in prison with a "3 strikes" law? So California has overcrowded prisons now, and has to build more prisons and has to staff those prisons. Also they need more police more judges more lawyers, etc...All public sector workers.


No, you just set up private prisons, private security guards, etc. What commie Euro nation are you from?
 
2012-06-07 01:07:39 PM

DarwiOdrade: [thinkprogress.org image 460x329]
Unions have been getting their asses kicked for a while now, just like the middle class. Maybe the pace is speeding up as anti-union corporate power increases, but this is nothing new.



Each set of numbers having an independant y-axis invalidates the usefulness of the chart. Using that method you could take any 2 decreasing numbers and align them to make a similar point.
 
2012-06-07 01:10:15 PM
As I said, somewhat more verbosely, elsewhere:

9/12/01: Remember the Heroes! Our brave boys in blue! Nothing is too good!

1/20/09: Ooooh hate public-sector unions! Cops! Firefighters! Janitors! TEACHERS!!!11

The same kind of doublethink behind "Buy American, you rice-burner-driving traitor!" along with "Let GM, Ford and Chrysler fail!"

Or "Freedom isn't free!" along with "Intrusive government! Reduce spending!"

Or the most concise example, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare."
 
2012-06-07 01:10:20 PM

kronicfeld: You're just being negative because American Thinker said something anti-liberal.


Wow, if they said something anti-Libral, does that mean that Hell has frozen over? Oh wait, that's the same as the sky being up and water being blue. Get back to me when they say anything BUT anti-liberal screeds...
 
2012-06-07 01:11:32 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.


You magnificent bastard. Putting that s**t right there on my facebook for the morons to argue over.
 
2012-06-07 01:11:46 PM
Citizen's United is allowing the 0.1% to turn states like Wisconsin and California into Alabama.
 
2012-06-07 01:13:14 PM

Needlessly Complicated: The first sentence of the article was: "Voters in San Diego and San Jose, the 8th and tenth biggest municipalities in the United States, decisively voted to redistribute income from the rich (public employees) to the middle class taxpayers who earn far less on average."

WTF?

Is this an attempt at deflection, brain-breaking cognitive dissonance, or just colossal dickery?


I don't know about you but when that 2012 BMW 650i Convertible cut me off in traffic yesterday the first thought that went through my mind was "goddamn public employee flaunting his riches and cutting me off in traffic".
 
2012-06-07 01:13:33 PM
Damn those schoolteachers and firemen. Assholes. Why won't they just accept the pittance we offer them? Hell, they should be volunteering.
 
2012-06-07 01:14:59 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Wangiss: I dunno, man. Seems like the movement that brought us unions here was pretty important. The Labor movement got us the 40-hour week, an extra holiday, and even aided feminists in the fight against sex discrimination in the workplace. But is there no point at which their efforts get, I dunno, ridiculous? Unions negotiate for the workers, which is fine, but Public Unions also get to vote their boss in, then use a portion (dues) of the tax money the boss gives them as campaign donations. You don't see a conflict of interest there?

Sure I do. But to the GOP, Corporations are blessed entities, the paragon of all that is good and holy, the beacon of free market freedom, and as such should have no restrictions or regulations on them, even though they exist to do one thing: make money, and keep it, regardless of who gets farked over in the process, even if if is the entire nation that suffers.

Unions at least started out as a way to protect workers (from those same Corporations, BTW,) and while they have their share of corruption, it is nowhere near what goes on in corporate America.

The amount of vitriol thrown at unions is vastly disproportionate to that which is thrown at corporations, who deserve it much more, and who are being given more and more power and rights while unions are having theirs stripped away.


Yeah, it's the public-private collusion that pisses me off. It's very difficult to sue someone for polluting upstream because the government "handles" that already. We gave them the authority to rule us, but we gave too much. Then they sold it because they can.

It would seem, however, that your coming to the defense (along with others who agree with you) of public unions by referring to private company unions actually aids the fight against unions as a whole. I'd love to be wrong about that.
 
2012-06-07 01:16:29 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.


San Diego is quite conservative, thanks to all those military folks from out of town. I'm the rare San Diego native. Of course, I was born here because my grandfathers moved to San Diego from somewhere else when they were in the military during and after WWII.
 
2012-06-07 01:16:41 PM

cman: WTF is wrong with me today?


Same thing that's wrong with you most days.

Your knee-jerk need to declare "Obama bad! Unions bad! Both sides wrong so vote Republican!" overrides your brain. Your car is in "drive" before the keys are in the ignition.
 
2012-06-07 01:17:12 PM

ArkPanda: vernonFL: California VOTERS are the idiots. What did they think would happen when they decided to throw everyone in prison with a "3 strikes" law? So California has overcrowded prisons now, and has to build more prisons and has to staff those prisons. Also they need more police more judges more lawyers, etc...All public sector workers.

No, you just set up private prisons, private security guards, etc. What commie Euro nation are you from?


And the contracts you sign with the private prisons somehow don't save a farking dime and in fact actually costs more then the previous system. The guards get paid minimum wage instead of a living wage. It is what the republicans call a win/win, their friends get rich, the idiots that vote for them get screwed, those that don't vote them get pissed off at them which, in their fevered imaginations, means they are doing the right thing.
 
2012-06-07 01:17:48 PM

Pincy: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, people are upset that union workers get better pensions than they do - and their answer to that is not to organize and demand better benefits themselves, or pass laws that make sure everyone gets good benefits, but to fark over the unionized city employees so they get the same corporate-controlled, shiatty retirement option as everyone else.

Great. Absolute genius, you farking assholes.

Yep, that's always the way I've viewed it as well. Instead of organizing to make their own pay and benefits better they'd rather screw everyone who is doing better than them. I've never really understood it myself.


Soviet Boris finds a genie bottle and is granted a wish: "I wish Ivan's goat would die!"

We are all Soviets now.

/moar caffeine
 
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