fight! fight! fight!

I recommend AMPUTATION!!!

I think it's ironic that they are fighting over a libertarian and a liberal for the GOP nomination. See conservatives, this is what happens if you over use doublethink.

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That guy looks like he's about to rape that popcorn.

Demetrius: My guess is that one way or another the Paulites are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to get his people to give it up.

Yep, the race is going to be too close to have a "ralph nader type" out there taking votes away.

Demetrius: My guess is that one way or another the Paulites are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to get his people to give it up.

It won't be interesting. They'll be ignored, not given any positions on any meaningful committees, not given space at official pressers, and relegated to giving interviews at the fringes of the convention to lesser media outlets as the big ones will be elsewhere trying to get time with people who matter to the party. They'll probably stage an external rally that won't get more than 5 minutes of air time.

They'll be loud and annoying but will be all but gone from the news 3 days post-convention when the typical short-lived 'convention bump' every candidate gets raises Romney's poll numbers and that becomes the next horserace story.

Pat Robertson tried this same tactic in Michigan back in 1987. It failed miserably. At the Republican national convention, they refused to acknowledge the existence of Robertson's "Official" delegates, unsurprisingly preferring the delegates that actually represented the overwhelming majority of voters. As a secondary effect, Robertson's name became a dirty word in Michigan, and he couldn't get the time of day there for years afterwards.

Ron Paul supporters are deluded, as always. Nothing new here.

I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here. He's going to troll the shiat out of the GOP convention in Tampa, and if he runs as an independent, he'll split the conservative vote by a few percentage points. It's a win-win for liberals of all stripes. Whatever happened to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
You have to learn to work smart, not hard.

James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

Well, you aren't wrong.

cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

Deneb81: Demetrius: My guess is that one way or another the Paulites are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to get his people to give it up.

It won't be interesting. They'll be ignored, not given any positions on any meaningful committees, not given space at official pressers, and relegated to giving interviews at the fringes of the convention to lesser media outlets as the big ones will be elsewhere trying to get time with people who matter to the party. They'll probably stage an external rally that won't get more than 5 minutes of air time.

They'll be loud and annoying but will be all but gone from the news 3 days post-convention when the typical short-lived 'convention bump' every candidate gets raises Romney's poll numbers and that becomes the next horserace story.

Pretty much this. A few key Paul supporters will get wined and dined and plied with empty promises about their future in the party at the convention and the rest of the pack will just be shouting into the wind.

James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

They'd have to be libertarians to support the libertarian party. Ron Paul is not a libertarian and neither are his supporters. They just like to play pretend.

ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

Jubeebee: RON PAUL
RE[PUNCH]LUTION

I always thought that "rEVOLution" thing was about the dumbest marketing you could get.

1) you're incorporating 'LOVE' in your slogan to a base that is likely to immediately dismiss you as a hippie and not pay one bit of attention to anything else you say. Using that in a Republican campaign was tone deaf to the Nth degree.

2) to someone who DOESN'T pick up on the hippie 'love' schtick, it's bolding "EVOL". Is that short for evolution? That's again tone deaf for the R base.

3) or phonetically it's extremely similar to evil depending on dialect/accent. (r)EVIL? Why would you associate with that?

In any event, it was tone deaf AND poorly thought out.

cbcs: ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

For me it is because the idelogical purity required by the different bases of the GOP will do it all by itself.

FuturePastNow: James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

They'd have to be libertarians to support the libertarian party. Ron Paul is not a libertarian and neither are his supporters. They just like to play pretend.

But to be fair, the Libertarian Party candidate for President both in this election and in the last election haven't been libertarians either. The Libertarian Party is nothing more than a haven for failed Republicans.

cbcs: ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

Also the Democrats are bad at politics. Their advisers are worse.

Look on the bright side: Everyone gets to bring their guns to Tampa.

ReaverZ: cbcs: ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

For me it is because the idelogical purity required by the different bases of the GOP will do it all by itself.

Great point, but I'm going to reserve real hate for social conservatives.

cbcs: ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

The best thing to do with that is nothing. They will fight and they won't really care about what Democrats may say about their fight. It will be fun to see how much chaos Paul causes but realistically it will probably have little to no impact. Also, Ron Paul will definitely not run as an independent. He's a Republican party man first and somewhat libertarian guy second.

James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

Which is good. Libertarianism is just anarchism for rich people.

JAYoung: Look on the bright side: Everyone gets to bring their guns to Tampa.

They had better bring some big farking guns.
http://www2.tbo.com/list/rescue-drills/gallery/

Demetrius: Deneb81: Demetrius: My guess is that one way or another the Paulites are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to get his people to give it up.

It won't be interesting. They'll be ignored, not given any positions on any meaningful committees, not given space at official pressers, and relegated to giving interviews at the fringes of the convention to lesser media outlets as the big ones will be elsewhere trying to get time with people who matter to the party. They'll probably stage an external rally that won't get more than 5 minutes of air time.

They'll be loud and annoying but will be all but gone from the news 3 days post-convention when the typical short-lived 'convention bump' every candidate gets raises Romney's poll numbers and that becomes the next horserace story.

I'm not so sure. They've shown no reluctance to get into fights with the rank-and-file GOP. A little violence breaks out at the convention and you won't hear the end of it on any news outlet.

A few nuts annoying local area party Gestapo to excess doesn't scale to the national party.

I don't know how much local politics you've been involved in, but there's a LOT of mini-dictators with delusions of importance in both parties. They have neither the skill/savvy nor the intelligence/charisma of people higher up that will be at the convention. And the more aggressive Paulites will be screened out or escorted out before they can really start anything.

I can picture that giant evil roach on Family Guy saying 'Good, Good."

Ukraine based spambots.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Demetrius: My guess is that one way or another the Paulites are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to get his people to give it up.

The funny thing is that I don't think it's going to stop them. The whole RP thing has morphed into this weird personality cult that believes the country NEEDS what Paul is offering. After his concession speech, there were a lot of supporters talking about continuing the campaign even without Paul's support because his message is just too important to let it drop.

This is going to get out of control. This will lead to the creation of the Mississippi Freedom Republican Nazi Party. They will try to be seated at the national Republican convention but will be thrown out for being too nice.

This will get ugly.

If they die, they die.

Philip Francis Queeg: FuturePastNow: James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

They'd have to be libertarians to support the libertarian party. Ron Paul is not a libertarian and neither are his supporters. They just like to play pretend.

But to be fair, the Libertarian Party candidate for President both in this election and in the last election haven't been libertarians either. The Libertarian Party is nothing more than a haven for failed Republicans.

No true Scotsman!

Geotpf: Philip Francis Queeg: FuturePastNow: James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

They'd have to be libertarians to support the libertarian party. Ron Paul is not a libertarian and neither are his supporters. They just like to play pretend.

But to be fair, the Libertarian Party candidate for President both in this election and in the last election haven't been libertarians either. The Libertarian Party is nothing more than a haven for failed Republicans.

No true Scotsman!

The Libertarians are running a candidate who ran for the Republican nomination for President in this very election cycle.

Why the hell ANY self-proclaimed independent conservative would vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson baffles me.

Meh. Abbie Hoffman did it better.

Philip Francis Queeg: Geotpf: Philip Francis Queeg: FuturePastNow: James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

They'd have to be libertarians to support the libertarian party. Ron Paul is not a libertarian and neither are his supporters. They just like to play pretend.

But to be fair, the Libertarian Party candidate for President both in this election and in the last election haven't been libertarians either. The Libertarian Party is nothing more than a haven for failed Republicans.

No true Scotsman!

The Libertarians are running a candidate who ran for the Republican nomination for President in this very election cycle.

To be fair, Gary Johnson is pretty awesome.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Why the hell ANY self-proclaimed independent conservative would vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson baffles me.

I've been saying this since day one.

What a lovely, content free article.

As much as I would love for the Paultes to wreck havoc at the convention and hurt Romney's chances in November, I suspect this is a whole lotta sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Philip Francis Queeg: FuturePastNow: James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.

They'd have to be libertarians to support the libertarian party. Ron Paul is not a libertarian and neither are his supporters. They just like to play pretend.

But to be fair, the Libertarian Party candidate for President both in this election and in the last election haven't been libertarians either. The Libertarian Party is nothing more than a haven for failed Republicans.

Exactly. An awful lot of so-called libertarians are just Republicans who don't want to call themselves Republicans.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Why the hell ANY self-proclaimed independent conservative Republican embarrassed by W would vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson baffles me.

Does that clear it up?

That's OK, it's not like the GOP has had anything productive to offer in the last 10 years anyway. Let 'em fight it out, maybe the sane people will mount a surprise attack, and get rid of the crazy farktards who have taken over the Right. The Party needs a serious enema, that's for sure.

cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here. He's going to troll the shiat out of the GOP convention in Tampa, and if he runs as an independent, he'll split the conservative vote by a few percentage points. It's a win-win for liberals of all stripes. Whatever happened to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
You have to learn to work smart, not hard.

First off, I don't think he'll run as an Independent, and second, if he does, who's to say he'll only ciphon away Romney votes? There are a lot of anti-war Dems who are pissed at Obama's abuse of power in foreign policy decisions.

Karac: cbcs: have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Well, the Paulistinians only pay attention to Paul's positions on the federal reserve and maybe the war. They completely ignore his social policies which boil down to "The federal government doesn't have the authority to restrict civil right X, only the states can do that. And I don't want the federal government to be able to stop them either!"

It's not hard to understand how a democrat might not like the follower of a guy who's completely in favor of repealing every civil right achievement since 1954 and restricting the federal courts from even hearing cases concerning those rights.

You also forgot Paul's proud assertion that he can't get an amendment or federal law passed banning abortion so what he plans to do is remove federal court review over all laws on all levels of government regarding abortion. That way the states can violate the rights of women under the 14th amendment and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.

If that isn't the antithesis of libertarianism, then I don't know what is. It is also just simple old "the ends justify the means".

Yet they are still more coordinated than Wisconsin Democrats.

Mikey1969: That's OK, it's not like the GOP has had anything productive to offer in the last 10 years anyway. Let 'em fight it out, maybe the sane people will mount a surprise attack, and get rid of the crazy farktards who have taken over the Right. The Party needs a serious enema, that's for sure.

Most of Obamacare was modled after republican ideas.

Epoch_Zero: IrateShadow: After his concession speech, there were a lot of supporters talking about continuing the campaign even without Paul's support because his message is just too important to let it drop.

You know who else continued his message even after he was gone?

/no, not him
//yeah, him


You don't even know who I am.

Deneb81: I always thought that "rEVOLution" thing was about the dumbest marketing you could get.

1) you're incorporating 'LOVE' in your slogan to a base that is likely to immediately dismiss you as a hippie and not pay one bit of attention to anything else you say. Using that in a Republican campaign was tone deaf to the Nth degree.

2) to someone who DOESN'T pick up on the hippie 'love' schtick, it's bolding "EVOL". Is that short for evolution? That's again tone deaf for the R base.

3) or phonetically it's extremely similar to evil depending on dialect/accent. (r)EVIL? Why would you associate with that?

In any event, it was tone deaf AND poorly thought out.

Good album though, tone deaf or not:

coeyagi: rynthetyn: Please let the convention be awesomely lulzy. Pretty please.

Florida. Stripper Capitol of the World (Tampa). Open Firearm Carry. Stand your ground.

If there aren't lulz here, the world isn't worth saving.

You missed something.

Karac: Citrate1007: Mikey1969: That's OK, it's not like the GOP has had anything productive to offer in the last 10 years anyway. Let 'em fight it out, maybe the sane people will mount a surprise attack, and get rid of the crazy farktards who have taken over the Right. The Party needs a serious enema, that's for sure.

Most of Obamacare was modled after republican ideas.

Didn't most of the ideas in Obamacare come from the republican alterative to Hillarycare in the 90's? If anything, Mikey was being generous; when the last time you heard a republican saying we needed to go back to the days of GWB or even GHWB? They just want to resurrect the 80's - if not earlier.

Ah the 1980's when "Greed is Good" was the American motto. Of course they want that because that's when they started rigging the system for corporate control.

...let the market decide?

Don't Troll Me Bro!: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Please let the convention be awesomely lulzy. Pretty please.

Florida. Stripper Capitol of the World (Tampa). Open Firearm Carry. Stand your ground.

If there aren't lulz here, the world isn't worth saving.

You missed something.

There will also be OWL protestors and lots of people who speak spanish around, but they'll be getting pepper spray showers.

Citrate1007: Don't Troll Me Bro!: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Please let the convention be awesomely lulzy. Pretty please.

Florida. Stripper Capitol of the World (Tampa). Open Firearm Carry. Stand your ground.

If there aren't lulz here, the world isn't worth saving.

You missed something.

There will also be OWL protestors and lots of people who speak spanish around, but they'll be getting pepper spray showers.

Epoch_Zero: IrateShadow: After his concession speech, there were a lot of supporters talking about continuing the campaign even without Paul's support because his message is just too important to let it drop.

You know who else continued his message even after he was gone?

/no, not him
//yeah, him

Steve Jobs?

Time for those Paul supporters to Stand Their Ground. The mainstream Republicans too. Second Amendment solutions all the way around.

Citrate1007: Most of Obamacare was modled after republican ideas.

And if the GOP hadn't adopted 'Obstruction at any cost' as their mantra, I might consider them to have been at least partially productive, but since they are now fighting against THEIR ideas merely because Obama likes them, then they are useful as tits on a fish at this moment in history...

Epoch_Zero: Unity? Sounds like socialism to me.

Puff puff pass.

MisterRonbo: Time for those Paul supporters to Stand Their Ground. The mainstream Republicans too. Second Amendment solutions all the way around.

Let's see if they carry through on their threat to come armed this time.

I don't want anyone to be hurt, but even I'll admit a full scale riot, national guard action/martial law, and Tampa burned to the waterline would be funny.

Except for Windy City Pizza and Ozzy's Pizza on Memorial. Losing those would be sad. And maybe Pho Quen, the vietnamese place up the street.

Thoguh: Demetrius: es are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to g

The "Libertarian" title has been taken over by Tea Party people who don't want to call themselves Republican, despite those people not being Libertarian at all.

The Tea Party doesn't like paying taxes.....real farking brilliant platform there. When it comes to any stances beyond that they are clueless mouthpoopers.

I hope they bring dump truck loads of bath salts to Tampa!

Karac: I see a new money making venture for either Vince McMahon or Don King.

I'd bet on the RON PAUL supporters. Sure they're stereotypically little annoying college students as opposed to the guy in the Walker Wins picture to the right, but with that kind of fervor, they'll fight until they're burger.

That's the strategery. The RONPAUL supporters fight "until they're burger", and then the Walker For President guys eat them. Ummmmmm, Libertasty.

palelizard
I don't want anyone to be hurt, but even I'll admit a full scale riot, national guard action/martial law, and Tampa burned to the waterline would be funny.

Except for Windy City Pizza and Ozzy's Pizza on Memorial. Losing those would be sad. And maybe Pho Quen, the vietnamese place up the street.


I'm really shocked by your comment.

There's decent Vietnamese food anywhere in Florida?

Road trip!

Mikey1969: And if the GOP hadn't adopted 'Obstruction at any cost' as their mantra, I might consider them to have been at least partially productive, but since they are now fighting against THEIR ideas merely because Obama likes them, then they are useful as tits on a fish at this moment in history...

Agreed. It steams me that the Rs seem more interested in making sure Obama fails than governing the country.

This blocking of Paul supporters has been going on across the country. But this was Paul's strategy all along. Ignore the non-binding beauty contest primaries and focus on getting supporters to attend the local conventions. Mittens could do the same thing. But instead, the party powers are breaking their own rules and disenfranchising the Paul supporters.

You show your true colors when you're losing. Rules and laws and principles are all well and good as long as you're the one winning. But let someone else start winning and we'll see how long those rules last. The Rs have shown that even within their party they can't stand to lose power.

I believe one problem is that the rank & file local Rs are not energized by Mittens. The people who show up to the local conventions are the ones who select delegates. And few are showing up in support of Mittens. Or lots are showing up for Paul and the Mittens camp can't rally enough of their own troops to drown them out.

I suspect there will be plenty of popcorn worthy shenanigans at the national convention but the mainstream media won't cover them. The shenanigans will be too subtle for the media to turn into sound bites and the R powers will sternly warn the media not to cover the Paul shenanigans.

jasenj1: You show your true colors when you're losing. Rules and laws and principles are all well and good as long as you're the one winning. But let someone else start winning and we'll see how long those rules last.

Particularly telling for the Paultards. They've been saying all along RON PAUL was just going to sweep the popular vote and now they're perfectly OK with their savior securing concessions through shady backroom deals.

I wonder how they'll react once RON PAUL inevitably endorses Romney.

cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here. He's going to troll the shiat out of the GOP convention in Tampa, and if he runs as an independent, he'll split the conservative vote by a few percentage points. It's a win-win for liberals of all stripes. Whatever happened to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
You have to learn to work smart, not hard.

Do you want a short and punchy answer or a long-winded explanation?

short answer: Because paultard is as paultard does.

Long answer:

A lot of us don't. Plenty of the Ronulan-haters are Republicans and trolls. But a lot of others hate him because they have met his supporters (who are annoying and stupid) or have had to listen to his racism, dominionism, hypocrisy, and terrible horrible economic strategies and their disgust for his proposed policies extends to a hatred of him personally.

Some simply feel that what we post on fark doesn't matter so they'll make fun of the funny loser.

And then a lot of us have a problem with what he does to a lot of democrats. I live in Texas, I cannot count the number of people I have met who are "social liberal, fiscal conservative" and vote straight-ticket Republican because there is the national delusion that "democrat" actually means, "even remotely liberal at all." The majority of the nation believes the lie that Reaganomics was a good thing, that includes a lot of democrats.

Me? I think Ron Paul (in the general) would have been the most interesting candidate we've had in almost a century, I think his crazed rantings and wild ideas would push Obama farther left than any other force in the world. I think he would have lost handily but in doing so helped progress more than any 3 presidents you'd care to name.

But then, that's why the establishment will never let him do so...

cbcs: ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

Because, as a liberal, I care less about "winning" than I do about "victory" and a population splintered meaninglessly into half a dozen camps that consider one another enemies doesn't help America.

Yes. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But I don't consider conservatives, or even republicans "enemies". Occasionally misguided and unfortunate? Sure. But enemies? Naw.

What's winning mean when all you win is a broken harmonica buried in a half mile deep pile of shiat?

Dignity. Always dignity.

TheBigJerk:
[...]
Me? I think Ron Paul (in the general) would have been the most interesting candidate we've had in almost a century, I think his crazed rantings and wild ideas would push Obama farther left than any other force in the world. I think he would have lost handily but in doing so helped progress more than any 3 presidents you'd care to name.

But then, that's why the establishment will never let him do so...

In order to push the opponent anywhere at all, a candidate has to have at least some chance of victory. In your hypothetical, Obama could just ignore Senator SillyPants and nobody would care, because he has no change of winning.

TheBigJerk: But a lot of others hate him because they have met his supporters (who are annoying and stupid)

A million times THIS. RON PAUL is like the Radiohead of politics - esoteric to the point of autism. Some stuff you hear is totally alright, most of it makes you go like "what the fark is this shiat?" but the fans are what totally ruins it for you. They are irrationally fanatical and will smugly patronize you if you don't feel exactly as they do, when even they don't fully understand what is being said.

Abner Doon: TheBigJerk:
[...]
Me? I think Ron Paul (in the general) would have been the most interesting candidate we've had in almost a century, I think his crazed rantings and wild ideas would push Obama farther left than any other force in the world. I think he would have lost handily but in doing so helped progress more than any 3 presidents you'd care to name.

But then, that's why the establishment will never let him do so...

In order to push the opponent anywhere at all, a candidate has to have at least some chance of victory. In your hypothetical, Obama could just ignore Senator SillyPants and nobody would care, because he has no change of winning.

25% of Americans supported Bush in 2008 and approved of the job he was doing. If the GOP had to they would stack their chips behind Dr. Paul. The general propaganda plus Paul's ability to walk the talk means he would be a threat if Obama did not change anything. The war on drugs, corporate welfare, the war on terror, the ever-expanding TSA would all come into play and be pushed on by a Paul candidacy.

rynthetyn: Please let the convention be awesomely lulzy. Pretty please.

I'm hoping for fisticuffs. Or perhaps a caning. That'd be nice.

BeesNuts: cbcs: ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

I agree. They're intolerable. But the only person that hate more than Obama is Mittens. Why not use that to show how fractured the GOP is? Just a question.

Because, as a liberal, I care less about "winning" than I do about "victory" and a population splintered meaninglessly into half a dozen camps that consider one another enemies doesn't help America.

Yes. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But I don't consider conservatives, or even republicans "enemies". Occasionally misguided and unfortunate? Sure. But enemies? Naw.

What's winning mean when all you win is a broken harmonica buried in a half mile deep pile of shiat?

Yup.

Also, if liberals as a whole, or worse, the democratic party, were to jump in on the side of Ron Paul to pump him up relative to Romney, it would look like and be a false flag. Sometimes outside influence makes things worse. It could drive a larger backlash against the Paulites and it might even cause the Paulites to abandon their own cause under the bsrb fight the powers that be faith/belief/whatever.

Demetrius: My guess is that one way or another the Paulites are going to be not very welcome at the convention. Mitt's going to have to pay Paul off or make him huge promises and get him to get his people to give it up.


Rand Paul has 5 promises to extract from Rmoney's soul.

I just do not get it, and I never have. I walk around calling myself a libertarian, and yet when I meet people who also call themselves libertarians, I find that they're willing to mouth their allegiance to actual genuine liberties but not do anything about them that a Republican would find inconvenient.

Do they think gay marriage should be legal? Sure, why not. Do they support making the government too small to criminalize prostitution and drugs? I'm told they do. So are they going to actually vote for candidates who could arrange these things? Oh hell no.

And they're not even really any good at markets. I mean, if I walk around talking about how awesome the free market is, isn't it sort of my responsibility to point out when it's not the best fit for a problem? I can't just clap my hands and hope Jesus gets things done. It's my job to man up and say "yes, the market will tend to externalize this cost and that's really not what I'd like to see happen here".

So I call myself a libertarian, but I'm getting the feeling I need to stop, because everybody else is so bad at being one that I'm doing more harm than good.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Citrate1007: I think it's ironic that they are fighting over a libertarian and a liberal for the GOP nomination. See conservatives, this is what happens if you over use doublethink.

Mitt's only a liberal when he's running Mass. He's more than happy to be as conservative as it takes to be the GOP runner.

The thing is, if Mitt was on a blue ticket he would be adored by the left. It is mostly because people don't trust that he'd veto the penis goes where bible pounding or Ayn Rand budgetary legislation that would cross his desk. He's actually quite moderate, but he hasn't shown any reslove in putting muzzles on the crazies in his party....which is what the GOP needs before they become irrelevant. WW2 generation are slowing dying and there are only so many baby boomers that want a free meal (no taxes, but don't touch medicare/Social Security = Tea Party)

Citrate1007: The thing is, if Mitt was on a blue ticket he would be adored by the left.

Unlikely.

Anyone else notice you don't hear "empty suit" coming from the right anymore?

Deneb81: Jubeebee: RON PAUL
RE[PUNCH]LUTION

I always thought that "rEVOLution" thing was about the dumbest marketing you could get.

1) you're incorporating 'LOVE' in your slogan to a base that is likely to immediately dismiss you as a hippie and not pay one bit of attention to anything else you say. Using that in a Republican campaign was tone deaf to the Nth degree.

2) to someone who DOESN'T pick up on the hippie 'love' schtick, it's bolding "EVOL". Is that short for evolution? That's again tone deaf for the R base.

3) or phonetically it's extremely similar to evil depending on dialect/accent. (r)EVIL? Why would you associate with that?

In any event, it was tone deaf AND poorly thought out.



4) Revolve. I always see revolve first.

/subliminal?

ReaverZ: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here.

Because he and his followers are loony toones.

Also, Ron Paul is not a libertarian, he's a Republican, and a career politician. He says otherwise, but his actions say "Republican, career politician."

cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here. He's going to troll the shiat out of the GOP convention in Tampa, and if he runs as an independent, he'll split the conservative vote by a few percentage points. It's a win-win for liberals of all stripes. Whatever happened to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
You have to learn to work smart, not hard.

Shhh...dont tell Liberals that. Its fun watching them agree with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O"Reilly, Fox News, Sean Hannity, etc. You have to be UltraDerp to not realize that when you attack Ron Paul, you are marching lock-step goose-step w Rush, Fox , Hannity....

Karac: I see a new money making venture for either Vince McMahon or Don King.

I'd bet on the RON PAUL supporters. Sure they're stereotypically little annoying college students as opposed to the guy in the Walker Wins picture to the right, but with that kind of fervor, they'll fight until they're burger.

I think you had a little stroke at the end of your post there...

Link

I finally figured out what Ron Paul reminds me of his has the personalty of a cult leader. He tells his followers that if they elect him all there problems will be solved. I have challanged his supporters to name one accomplishment in government he has. Ron Paul is a loser he willl not be elected I hope his supporters cause chaos at the National convention like they have nationwide.

Big Taco: Link

I finally figured out what Ron Paul reminds me of his has the personalty of a cult leader. He tells his followers that if they elect him all there problems will be solved. I have challanged his supporters to name one accomplishment in government he has. Ron Paul is a loser he willl not be elected I hope his supporters cause chaos at the National convention like they have nationwide.

I challenge you to learn how to spell "challenged."
/and sentence structure

James!: If these RON PAUL supporters put their energy into the libertarian party they might actually have something, but they're wasting their time with the republicans.


That's because his supporters are not libertarian. Their simply in love with Ron Paul.
Ron Paul isn't libertarian, he's a states rights guy. The type of people who back in the year 20th century used states rights as a way to enact things like Jim Crow.

Other people have mentioned it already, but the scariest thing about Ron Paul is how he wants to remove the federal government from telling states that they can not violate the Constitution.

UCFRoadWarrior: cbcs: I have a hard time understanding the Paulistinian hate here on Fark, especially from the Democrats here. He's going to troll the shiat out of the GOP convention in Tampa, and if he runs as an independent, he'll split the conservative vote by a few percentage points. It's a win-win for liberals of all stripes. Whatever happened to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
You have to learn to work smart, not hard.

Shhh...dont tell Liberals that. Its fun watching them agree with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O"Reilly, Fox News, Sean Hannity, etc. You have to be UltraDerp to not realize that when you attack Ron Paul, you are marching lock-step goose-step w Rush, Fox , Hannity....

Sigh. Really?
I bet Hannity and Rush think the sky is blue too. If I, as a liberal, think the sky is blue, am I marching lock-step with them?

UCFRoadWarrior: Shhh...dont tell Liberals that. Its fun watching them agree with Rush Limbaugh, Bill O"Reilly, Fox News, Sean Hannity, etc. You have to be UltraDerp to not realize that when you attack Ron Paul, you are marching lock-step goose-step w Rush, Fox , Hannity....

i heard that Rush and Fox News and Hannity all had a problem with Osama Bin Laden too...

am i required to adore Osama Bin Laden because of that?

pretty dumb point you are trying (poorly) to make.