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(610 WIOD)   The 1942 L.A. County resolution for the forcible relocation of Japanese Americans to internment camps was rescinded and revoked in: a) 1945 b) 1951 c) yesterday   (wiod.com) divider line 89
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-07 07:00:29 AM
A few years ago Indians went on the warpath over a Colonial era law that directed guards to be placed at the entrance to Boston to keep Indians out during King Philip's War. They said they did not find any statute formally repealing the law and if the legislature did not re-repeal it they were racist Indian haters blah blah blah. If I were governor I would have vetoed the repeal, and if I were in a position to veto the LA resolution repeal I would veto it too. Both laws are long dead, since no later than the peaces that ended the wars, and these political shows should not be encouraged.
 
2012-06-07 07:43:46 AM
Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?
 
2012-06-07 08:05:06 AM
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Pretty is as pretty does, America.
 
2012-06-07 09:37:59 AM
Finally got around to nipping it in the bud, eh?
 
2012-06-07 09:37:59 AM

gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?


Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.
 
2012-06-07 09:38:35 AM
Don't be surprised if this happens again with China.
 
2012-06-07 09:38:58 AM
We were still under the potential threat of Gundams until recently.
 
2012-06-07 09:40:45 AM

SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.


So two wrongs DO make a right, and the people of Japanese descent living in America at that time were involved in all of those atrocities. Got ya.
 
2012-06-07 09:41:23 AM
Better rate than never.
 
2012-06-07 09:41:28 AM
Though Takei said he recalled the time through the innocent eyes of a child, he told of guard towers with machine guns, searchlights that followed him to the latrine at night and classes in a tar paper schoolhouse where he would recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

``I could see the machine guns and the barbed wire fences ... while I recited the words `with liberty and justice for all,''' Takei said.


Paranoia can make a country do strange things. And not much has changed today.
 
2012-06-07 09:41:40 AM

vudukungfu: Finally got around to nipping it in the bud, eh?


Zip it.
 
2012-06-07 09:42:56 AM

Twigz221: SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.

So two wrongs DO make a right, and the people of Japanese descent living in America at that time were involved in all of those atrocities. Got ya.


I'm not saying its right, I'm saying just about every country did farked up things in that war. I don't think anyone left WWII with a clean record. Even Switzerland
 
2012-06-07 09:43:10 AM

SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.


The people, many of them American citizens, many of them children, who were sent to internment camps had nothing to do with any of those things.
 
2012-06-07 09:44:20 AM
This was definitely necessary since this was still a burden. Great use of taxpayer money. Is there any wonder why California is so broke? I know we all needed a feel good story though. Flame on and tell me how imperfect my state is and how wrong I am.

/Go screw yourself CA
 
2012-06-07 09:45:11 AM
So what it was rescinded yesterday? It's not like we've still been sending them there. Someone was probably so bored, they were looking through old laws, found that one, and said "Whoops, this should have been removed" and set about doing so. Sounds like the responsible thing to me. How is this even news? There are all sorts of old crazy laws that are still on the books, like it being illegal to get a horse drunk while in a bathtub in Wyoming. (or something like that).

The only way this would be news if someone saw that it was still a law to put Japanese Americans in internment camps, and starting rounding them up.
 
2012-06-07 09:45:13 AM
www.zuguide.com

I was just trying to get that babbling gook off my lawn!
 
2012-06-07 09:45:24 AM

ZAZ: A few years ago Indians went on the warpath over a Colonial era law that directed guards to be placed at the entrance to Boston to keep Indians out during King Philip's War. They said they did not find any statute formally repealing the law and if the legislature did not re-repeal it they were racist Indian haters blah blah blah. If I were governor I would have vetoed the repeal, and if I were in a position to veto the LA resolution repeal I would veto it too. Both laws are long dead, since no later than the peaces that ended the wars, and these political shows should not be encouraged.


Laws that are not in effect SHOULD be repealed, especially when they're racist as hell.
 
2012-06-07 09:48:22 AM

SoCalSurfer: Twigz221: SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.

So two wrongs DO make a right, and the people of Japanese descent living in America at that time were involved in all of those atrocities. Got ya.

I'm not saying its right, I'm saying just about every country did farked up things in that war. I don't think anyone left WWII with a clean record. Even Switzerland


Don't know about Switzerland. The only thing they could be guilty of is helping billionaires avoid paying their fair share of taxes
 
2012-06-07 09:48:38 AM

angrycrank: SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.

The people, many of them American citizens, many of them children, who were sent to internment camps had nothing to do with any of those things.


The Nisei were loyal to America and partook in things like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Victory_Volunteers

We rounded them up and tossed them in camps. Some of those guys in the 442 were dying in Europe while their wives and kids were locked up in camps.

/one of the more embarrassing chapters of American history
 
2012-06-07 09:49:35 AM
Oh... myyyy.
 
2012-06-07 09:50:48 AM
so Kenji, by Fort Minor was playing on Pandora when I read this story...weird....
 
2012-06-07 09:52:14 AM

Trance750: SoCalSurfer: Twigz221: SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.

So two wrongs DO make a right, and the people of Japanese descent living in America at that time were involved in all of those atrocities. Got ya.

I'm not saying its right, I'm saying just about every country did farked up things in that war. I don't think anyone left WWII with a clean record. Even Switzerland

Don't know about Switzerland. The only thing they could be guilty of is helping billionaires avoid paying their fair share of taxes


And providing paths for war materials, stolen art work, looted Jewish property, and money; and getting filthy rich in the process, all the while pretending to be the nice Aryans. AND hanging on to the ill-gotten gains like... well, two Jews to a copper penny.
 
2012-06-07 09:52:51 AM
This may seem like a trivial matter. But something like this is important. It shows that America can recognize the failures of the past, acknowledge and take responsibility for them, and then move forward.

It is an example of an adult way to deal with a problem. As opposed to, say, the way the Japanese government handles their war responsibility.
The issue of comfort women is a good example. The Japanese government still refuses to admit that state sponsored sexual slavery was a bad thing to do. A few months ago they even complained against a monument to the comfort women that was erected in the eastern US by a group of Koreans.

The war has been over for more than 50 years, yet much of Asia has yet to come to terms with what happened.
If the US can serve as an example, even if it is just a city government, then maybe other countries can be brave and do the right thing.

//If you wan't an idea of the comfort women issue then I recommend this (pops)
 
2012-06-07 09:55:31 AM

Dixie_Wrecked: This was definitely necessary since this was still a burden. Great use of taxpayer money. Is there any wonder why California is so broke? I know we all needed a feel good story though. Flame on and tell me how imperfect my state is and how wrong I am.

/Go screw yourself CA


How much exactly do you think it cost to do this? The council meets anyway. Maybe they bought some extra coffee and muffins for the extra people who came.

There are living people who were affected by the resolution. Aside from rescinding it for their sakes, it's an important reminder that it was wrong to treat people like that because of where they came from. There are people who'd love to put Muslims in the US into camps, so the country could use that reminder.
 
2012-06-07 09:56:49 AM

Mugato: vudukungfu: Finally got around to nipping it in the bud, eh?

Zip it.


That's a slippery slope.
 
2012-06-07 09:59:47 AM

Kar98: Oh... myyyy.


Wocka-MOH-lay.
 
2012-06-07 10:00:24 AM
All laws should have a sunset clause. All of them.
 
2012-06-07 10:00:30 AM

Gonz: Mugato: vudukungfu: Finally got around to nipping it in the bud, eh?

Zip it.

That's a slippery slope.


You guys certianly have a slanty way of looking at things.
 
2012-06-07 10:00:34 AM
If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.
 
2012-06-07 10:05:13 AM
angrycrank: Dixie_Wrecked: This was definitely necessary since this was still a burden. Great use of taxpayer money. Is there any wonder why California is so broke? I know we all needed a feel good story though. Flame on and tell me how imperfect my state is and how wrong I am.

/Go screw yourself CA

How much exactly do you think it cost to do this? The council meets anyway. Maybe they bought some extra coffee and muffins for the extra people who came.

There are living people who were affected by the resolution. Aside from rescinding it for their sakes, it's an important reminder that it was wrong to treat people like that because of where they came from. There are people who'd love to put Muslims in the US into camps, so the country could use that reminder.


Just because they show up for work doesn't mean they are being productive. Maybe some job cuts are in order. I can pretend to be busy at my job by doing fluff work too and it cost the company more than just a free Coke that we get. Smart people understand past mistakes and move forward. Others tend to slow the wheel of progress down.
 
2012-06-07 10:08:02 AM

ZAZ: If I were governor


Well we can safely assume that that will never happen.
 
2012-06-07 10:10:19 AM

Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.


I did not know that. How come you mostly hear about the Japs?
 
2012-06-07 10:11:18 AM

Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.


Gotta source for that claim? According to wiki only 2048 Germans were interned, and ALL of them were German citizens...not US citizens.
 
2012-06-07 10:12:13 AM

Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.


Or you actually read the editorials and speeches that called for the Japanese internment and realize that it was very much racially motivated. But that would require putting aside politics and dealing with the fact that we farked up bad with the internment thing, and it revealed a really, really ugly side of the American people.

The fact that others were also interned does not mean that the Japanese internment was racially motivated. No adult citizens of German or Italian descent were interned, while almost all Japanese Americans in the proscribed zones were even if they were native born citizens.
 
2012-06-07 10:14:47 AM

Mugato: Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.

I did not know that. How come you mostly hear about the Japs?


Because his statement isn't true.
 
2012-06-07 10:14:57 AM
musculature...
 
2012-06-07 10:15:00 AM

Dixie_Wrecked: angrycrank: Dixie_Wrecked: This was definitely necessary since this was still a burden. Great use of taxpayer money. Is there any wonder why California is so broke? I know we all needed a feel good story though. Flame on and tell me how imperfect my state is and how wrong I am.

/Go screw yourself CA

How much exactly do you think it cost to do this? The council meets anyway. Maybe they bought some extra coffee and muffins for the extra people who came.

There are living people who were affected by the resolution. Aside from rescinding it for their sakes, it's an important reminder that it was wrong to treat people like that because of where they came from. There are people who'd love to put Muslims in the US into camps, so the country could use that reminder.

Just because they show up for work doesn't mean they are being productive. Maybe some job cuts are in order. I can pretend to be busy at my job by doing fluff work too and it cost the company more than just a free Coke that we get. Smart people understand past mistakes and move forward. Others tend to slow the wheel of progress down.



Trolololo

/RIP
//but seriously, 4/10 - you got a bite
 
2012-06-07 10:16:07 AM

SoCalSurfer: Twigz221: SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.

So two wrongs DO make a right, and the people of Japanese descent living in America at that time were involved in all of those atrocities. Got ya.

I'm not saying its right, I'm saying just about every country did farked up things in that war. I don't think anyone left WWII with a clean record. Even Switzerland


ESPECIALLY SWITZERLAND. And Sweden, and a few other neutrals, who were making money hand over fist doing banking and selling food, steel, iron ore , heavy machinery, and weapons as fast as they could produce them to the Axis. Without ever having to take the chance that the tiniest cuckoo clock might get knocked off the wall, or a single Volvo might get strafed on the road.
 
2012-06-07 10:25:09 AM

cynicalbastard: SoCalSurfer: Twigz221: SoCalSurfer: gopher321: Yeah, best for those damn, dirty Japs to forget the whole thing, huh?

Cough rape of nanking, medical unit (can't remember the unit #), Bataan death march etc etc.

What I'm saying is that everyone did things that they regret.

So two wrongs DO make a right, and the people of Japanese descent living in America at that time were involved in all of those atrocities. Got ya.

I'm not saying its right, I'm saying just about every country did farked up things in that war. I don't think anyone left WWII with a clean record. Even Switzerland

ESPECIALLY SWITZERLAND. And Sweden, and a few other neutrals, who were making money hand over fist doing banking and selling food, steel, iron ore , heavy machinery, and weapons as fast as they could produce them to the Axis. Without ever having to take the chance that the tiniest cuckoo clock might get knocked off the wall, or a single Volvo might get strafed on the road.


To be fair, so did we. Hell, we still do. War profiteering is kinda our thing.

Being neutral doesn't mean you don't engage in commerce. Not to do so would be rather un-neutral.
 
2012-06-07 10:26:03 AM

Masterstuff: We were still under the potential threat of Gundams until recently.


which really only goes to show that God really is on our side since he removed that threat for us

/I feel like an asshole for saying that
 
2012-06-07 10:29:03 AM

StoneColdAtheist: Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.

Gotta source for that claim? According to wiki only 2048 Germans were interned, and ALL of them were German citizens...not US citizens.


Make that over 11,000 German American and Latin American citizens and residents during World War II.
 
2012-06-07 10:32:15 AM
arizona's law requiring everyone to produce proof of citizenship on demand, alabama's law against even allowing illegal immigrants to ride in your car, and the new york city and murfreesboro mosque freakouts suggest that americans compartmentalize elements of our past and put them in separate little boxes. this allows us to avoid applying the lessons of history to our current situation.

"oh, committing genocide against native americans was bad, but that's back when we were all racist. same with japanese internment. same with slavery, jim crow, and segregation. martin luther king fixed all that. we're not racist anymore. therefore quit bringing it up."

history doesn't exist in a vacuum. the people who were interned, the people who did the rounding up, or at least quietly approved of it, were our beloved and storied grandparents and great-grandparents. phrases like "the greatest generation" ignore the complexities of that time period. a lot of the guys who marched across europe came home and turned firehoses and attack dogs on their fellow countrymen for trying to go to public school.

many people around the world recall the lessons and outcome of history much, much older than japanese internment. the "let bygones be bygones" attitude frees us up to commit more atrocities. every american should remain painfully aware that japanese internment happened, and that it violated every principle a nation could hope to stand for.
 
2012-06-07 10:41:09 AM

havocmike: musculature...


Tsunami.
 
2012-06-07 10:44:51 AM

Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.


Bullshiat. Otherwise I would have had my grandparents, aunts, uncles, and their ancestors interned. At least my husband's Japanese mother moved to America after this internment debacle.

/100% Italian on mother's side
//also, nice use of the word "Jap," racist
 
2012-06-07 10:50:01 AM

Kar98: StoneColdAtheist: Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.

Gotta source for that claim? According to wiki only 2048 Germans were interned, and ALL of them were German citizens...not US citizens.

Make that over 11,000 German American and Latin American citizens and residents during World War II.


I'm not excusing any internment, but again, virtually all of them were German citizens. In contrast, virtually EVERY Japanese-American on the west coast was rounded up and interned in what persons of that era readily acknowledge was a racially motivated program, there being no evidence they were engaged in any anti-American activities.
 
2012-06-07 10:50:50 AM
I am finally safe!! Thank you LA for removing this, I can sleep soundly now that I dont have to worry about the military kicking in my door and dragging me off to the camps.
 
2012-06-07 10:54:45 AM

StoneColdAtheist: Kar98: StoneColdAtheist: Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.

Gotta source for that claim? According to wiki only 2048 Germans were interned, and ALL of them were German citizens...not US citizens.

Make that over 11,000 German American and Latin American citizens and residents during World War II.

I'm not excusing any internment, but again, virtually all of them were German citizens. In contrast, virtually EVERY Japanese-American on the west coast was rounded up and interned in what persons of that era readily acknowledge was a racially motivated program, there being no evidence they were engaged in any anti-American activities.


They had slantie eyes and therefore cannot be trusted!

/has slantie eyes..
//shouldnt be trusted..
 
2012-06-07 11:29:40 AM

angrycrank: Laws that are not in effect SHOULD be repealed, especially when they're racist as hell.


Exactly. And it's easy. Obviously it means something to a lot of people. Most of all, if human rights mean anything to you, you don't keep laws like that in place. So reasons enough.
 
jvl
2012-06-07 11:37:50 AM

Oldiron_79: If the internment ONLY happened to Japs I might be moved by your "dats Wacist" Wargarbll, but they interned Germans and Italians too. Infact there was more of them interned than Japs.


Here's why you are an idiot: they interned German Nationals and Italian Nationals. That's a normal thing to do during wartime.

The problem with the Japanese internment is that they interned loyal American Citizens who had done nothing wrong and were willing to cooperate fully with the American Government. No American Citizens of German or Italian decent were interned.

FDR knew this was wrong when he did it. He was appeasing California which at the time was virulently racist against Japanese. Their racism predated Pearl Harbor by a ninety years.
 
2012-06-07 12:08:10 PM
If a city council is occupied with rescinding unenforced, stupid laws...I'd say that's money well-spent, and keep them from screwing up other things. And anything and reduces the number of laws which might be, however unadvisedly, enforced in the future, is a good thing. Plus, reducing the number of laws for which a citizen is responsible for following is also good.
 
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