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(Daily Mail)   'Dead' Brazilian boy sits up his coffin, asks for water before lying back down lifeless. Zombie tag please?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 145
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2012-06-07 09:47:31 AM
Ayahuasca is a hell of a drug.
 
2012-06-07 09:47:51 AM
domine: Anyone with the most basic knowledge of human death and decomposition can give a logical explanation for this.
- Lactic acid collects in the intestines, causes the abdomen muscle to contract
- body sits up
- Gasses are expelled from stomach cavity, likely vibrating the vocal cords on the way out.


Oooooh, look who knows so much!

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2012-06-07 09:47:57 AM
"...a case that seems almost is too incredible to be true..."

FTFT...

Daily Fail Dumbasses....
 
2012-06-07 09:49:20 AM
Ambivalence: Elzar: Funny how this shiat only happens in 3rd world countries in a religious setting no less...

/ Not saying its fake, but its fake

If you read the article you'd notice the body wasn't embalmed, they literally just handed it over to the family. Dead bodies can do some strange things when they're decomposing.


I could believe a little movement. Maybe even sitting up, if the right muscles did the right things. But coherent speech is another matter entirely: the odds are just plain too low.

That said, I'm not inclined to believe that things actually happened the way these people say they did. They might honestly believe it, but someone is remembering something wrong.
 
2012-06-07 09:52:39 AM
JackalRabbit: Carth: If you just ask to be cremated you won't have to worry about being buried alive; or better yet taxidermied .

yuppers, being burned alive sounds like a much better option.


It would certainly be a lot faster. Given the kilns they use, the heat might even knock you out before you started to actually burn.
 
2012-06-07 09:55:51 AM
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2012-06-07 09:57:01 AM
ChrisDe: but Brazil isn't a third-world county. They have the world's fifth largest economy.

The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either capitalism and NATO (which along with its allies represented the First World), or communism and the Soviet Union (which along with its allies represented the Second World). This definition provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the earth into three groups based on social, political, and economic divisions. Due to many of the Third World countries being extremely poor, it became a stereotype such that people commonly refer to undeveloped countries as "third world countries," often used in a pejorative way.

TMYK
 
2012-06-07 10:04:13 AM
turboke: LaViergeNoire: I have a little boy (3, almost 4), and if that kind of thing happened, there is no FARKING way I'd bury him anyway the same day, doctors saying he's really dead or not. I've read enough Edgar Allen Poe and I'd try to get some better doctors.

/emotional
//sad story

I was rather thinking along the lines of H.P. Lovecraft.


The fall of the House of Usher.

'Nuff said.
 
2012-06-07 10:13:05 AM
I'd have given him some water, personally. I mean, that's just common courtesy.
 
2012-06-07 10:19:04 AM
He was declared dead at 7.40pm on Friday and his body was handed over to his family in a plastic bag.

I find this the most disturbing part of the story.
 
2012-06-07 10:22:53 AM
DON'T give him the water. An hour later he'll be up asking to use the bathroom.
 
2012-06-07 10:29:04 AM
Citrate1007: He was declared dead at 7.40pm on Friday and his body was handed over to his family in a plastic bag.

I find this the most disturbing part of the story.


Agreed, i thought hospital practice was that you had to be brought out in a wheelchair.
 
2012-06-07 10:37:28 AM
probesport: Citrate1007: He was declared dead at 7.40pm on Friday and his body was handed over to his family in a plastic bag.

I find this the most disturbing part of the story.

Agreed, i thought hospital practice was that you had to be brought out in a wheelchair.


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2012-06-07 10:39:10 AM
Oznog: Hand Banana: Ambivalence: Elzar: Funny how this shiat only happens in 3rd world countries in a religious setting no less...

/ Not saying its fake, but its fake

If you read the article you'd notice the body wasn't embalmed, they literally just handed it over to the family. Dead bodies can do some strange things when they're decomposing.

Ambivalence: Elzar: Funny how this shiat only happens in 3rd world countries in a religious setting no less...

/ Not saying its fake, but its fake

If you read the article you'd notice the body wasn't embalmed, they literally just handed it over to the family. Dead bodies can do some strange things when they're decomposing.

Like asking "Daddy, can I have some water?"

Seems kinda odd that, if waking up from a coma, that you'd sit up and ask for water. I mean, calling out for Mom and Dad, or asking what's happening. But just "hey, can I get some water here, uh never mind... (thud)". I'm not saying it's impossible, but sounds odd.

Maybe the kid's just faking?


He had a book report due.
 
2012-06-07 10:41:03 AM
Midnight Rambler: Abra cadaver!

a friend runs that company. Try the website, specially if you are a Disney fan. He's built some things for Disneyland.
 
2012-06-07 10:50:06 AM
Slip kid.

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2012-06-07 10:50:50 AM
SkunkWerks: probesport: Citrate1007: He was declared dead at 7.40pm on Friday and his body was handed over to his family in a plastic bag.

I find this the most disturbing part of the story.

Agreed, i thought hospital practice was that you had to be brought out in a wheelchair.

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You magnificent bastard.
 
2012-06-07 11:00:28 AM
Someone just saw that episode of The Simpsons one too many times. I'd be lying if I said I've never been tempted to try it at a funeral.

i45.tinypic.com

/legend of the dog-faced woman
 
2012-06-07 11:02:01 AM
Carth: If you just ask to be cremated you won't have to worry about being buried alive; or better yet taxidermied .
This. Shoulda turned him into a remote-controlled airplane....
 
2012-06-07 11:05:44 AM
FTFA:

On Saturday he allegedly sat up in his coffin and asked his father for a glass of water



Its amazing what you can get treated as news these days.
 
2012-06-07 11:40:55 AM
karnal: That's what happens in countries that use embalming fluid mixed from cocoa beans and guava.

Mmmmmmmm... Must make for one delicious cadaver.
 
2012-06-07 11:42:41 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: That's really heartbreaking. Holy shiat.

You're not alone. That is was my first sentiment, too.
 
2012-06-07 11:58:39 AM
Cases of comatose people "waking up" at their own funerals are not as rare as you might think. They seem to be reported every year, which means that they might be a one in billion chance. Even more individuals would fail to wake up at their funeral, which means that some wake in their grave or tomb.

This was a common fear in the 1700s and into the 1800s and many people took precautions. You could have your tomb built so it could be opened from the inside (like John Carter in the recent SF movie) or bells would be installed that could be rung by the deceased if they awoke in their grave. Nonetheless, there seems to be evidence that many people were buried alive due to the lack of a proper definition of death and failure to distinguish a coma from death proper.

In this case, the child seems to have died again. Perhaps speedy medical attention could have saved the poor little tyke, but his family were clearly not rich and educated enough to obtain help immediately.

This is why wakes are a good idea, especially if the deceased is not embalmed. If the deceased is embalmed, the option of revival is gone. The custom may have evolved to guard against just such a contingency.

Of course, it is possible that the story is made-up or the result of wishful thinking and natural behaviour of a cadaver. Bodies do "sit up" and gases do make noises, both of which have contributed to folklore and urban legend. The sitting up is just a spontaneous muscle contraction. Gas is released from the digestive system (or via the digestive system) as decay sets in (methanogenic bacteria are responsible for most of the gas).

Having spent many years reading Fortean and other weird news sources, I am not incredulous about the possibliity of such an event, but I choose not to firmly believe one way or the other. Journalism is unreliable, witnesses are unreliable, and sometimes the mystery remains mysterious despite reasonable efforts to determine the truth.

What a shame the boy was not successfully revived, assuming he was alive still or temporarily for some reason.

The reason why these stories originate in the Third World is that embalming is expensive and is not routine there, while in the First World, they'll toss you out of a hospital bed while you're still breathing and the embalmer maybe be called in before anybody sees the "deceased".

Death remains difficult to diagnose. The heart and lungs can cease functioning, the brain can apparently stop, but there might be a low level of slow and barely perceptible activity still. People have survived drowning for periods of 45 minutes or more, especially children who fall through ice and are "preserved" by the cold from some of the effects of low oxygen. People have been revived up to several days after supposed death, and have woken from comas after decades.

Most modern doctors use brain death (which has to be determined by a machine) as the definition of death, but apparently even the brain can be temporarily stopped--or at least the bits that make brainwaves. Many of the vital functions are controlled by the brain stem and thus can work even if the individual has barely any cerebellum at all. Several functional people have been found to have largely empty heads. I mean literally--fluid where "the brain. should be, and the famous case of Mike the Chicken, whose head was almost entirely chopped off but who lived for quite some time, results from the same basic structural facts--"Mike" had most of her brain stem intact, so she continued to live without much of the brain, but not with no brain.

Science denialists who believe in the soul try to prove the existence of the soul by claiming the brain is not necessary for thinking and identity, and this is the sort of evidence they misinterpret to confirm their beliefs.
 
2012-06-07 12:42:23 PM
MrDon: After 27 years in the funeral business I can tell you this, bullhshiat.

In the 1800's people used to be so afraid of being burried alive, they bought caskets with a lever or a rope installed on the inside they could grab if they woke up and had been burried. The lever or rope would activate a flag or bell above ground to tell the world they were still alive. People who attended the grave all night were refered to as working the "Graveyard Shift".

If you do not have the advantage of "Expert signs of death" available , wait 48 hours and the skin on the belly will start to turn green (putrafaction) - If you see that (and odor) you know for sure that person is dead.

The very first thing they taught us in mortuary science college was verifing that the person you are about to embalm is in fact dead. Good idea.


You mispelled "putrefaction".
 
2012-06-07 12:43:02 PM
washington-babylon: turboke: LaViergeNoire: I have a little boy (3, almost 4), and if that kind of thing happened, there is no FARKING way I'd bury him anyway the same day, doctors saying he's really dead or not. I've read enough Edgar Allen Poe and I'd try to get some better doctors.

/emotional
//sad story

I was rather thinking along the lines of H.P. Lovecraft.

The fall of the House of Usher.

'Nuff said.


We would have also accepted "The Premature Burial".
 
2012-06-07 12:48:10 PM
brantgoose: Most modern doctors use brain death (which has to be determined by a machine) as the definition of death, but apparently even the brain can be temporarily stopped--or at least the bits that make brainwaves. Many of the vital functions are controlled by the brain stem and thus can work even if the individual has barely any cerebellum at all. Several functional people have been found to have largely empty heads. I mean literally--fluid where "the brain. should be, and the famous case of Mike the Chicken, whose head was almost entirely chopped off but who lived for quite some time, results from the same basic structural facts--"Mike" had most of her brain stem intact, so she continued to live without much of the brain, but not with no brain.

Um. I want you to do me a favor.

Open up google, and type "POltry Neuroanatomy" and click on the images tab. Notice where the brain stem and motor centers are.

Now, type in "Human Neuroanatomy" and notice the difference, and see why the chickens can run around after their heads have been severed.

/Hypoxic-Ischemic Encephalopathy and Cerebral/Cerebellar Necrosis following devastating injury are not comparable to beheading a chicken.
//In brain death, there's no blood getting to the brain or stem. The body shunts it because the tissue is dead.
///No Blood to the Brain = No Chance of Coming back. You're a bag of organs at that point.
 
2012-06-07 01:14:53 PM
Allen. The end.: MrDon: After 27 years in the funeral business I can tell you this, bullhshiat.

In the 1800's people used to be so afraid of being burried alive, they bought caskets with a lever or a rope installed on the inside they could grab if they woke up and had been burried. The lever or rope would activate a flag or bell above ground to tell the world they were still alive. People who attended the grave all night were refered to as working the "Graveyard Shift".

If you do not have the advantage of "Expert signs of death" available , wait 48 hours and the skin on the belly will start to turn green (putrafaction) - If you see that (and odor) you know for sure that person is dead.

The very first thing they taught us in mortuary science college was verifing that the person you are about to embalm is in fact dead. Good idea.

You mispelled "putrefaction".


So you are saying, if someone is clinging to life, put them in a plastic bag and wait 48 hours? Got it.
 
2012-06-07 01:20:04 PM
My guess: decomp gases made the body appear to "sit up" briefly as they escaped. Might even have made a sound of some sort at the same time. The rest, grief adding in details.
 
2012-06-07 01:31:30 PM
God I hope this isn't true.

/will hug my kid a little tighter just in case.
 
2012-06-07 01:40:03 PM
unyon: Midnight Rambler: Abra cadaver!

Well played. I was fascinated by how he learned to speak English when dead.


Dammit, that made me burst out laughing.
 
2012-06-07 02:48:49 PM
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2012-06-07 02:49:12 PM
ChrisDe: DON'T give him the water. An hour later he'll be up asking to use the bathroom.

I think this gem of a post was overlooked by most. I LOL'd in my cube and I have to think of a lie now, youmagnificantsonofabiatch
 
2012-06-07 02:53:49 PM
MisterRonbo: My guess: decomp gases made the body appear to "sit up" briefly as they escaped.

brantgoose: Bodies do "sit up" and gases do make noises, both of which have contributed to folklore and urban legend.

domine: Anyone with the most basic knowledge of human death and decomposition can give a logical explanation for this.
- Lactic acid collects in the intestines, causes the abdomen muscle to contract
- body sits up


Good god, do bodies actually sit up like that? I can't imagine seeing that and being able to get a full nights sleep again.

Any reputable links to stories on this happening?
 
2012-06-07 02:57:59 PM
SkunkWerks: probesport: Citrate1007: He was declared dead at 7.40pm on Friday and his body was handed over to his family in a plastic bag.

I find this the most disturbing part of the story.

Agreed, i thought hospital practice was that you had to be brought out in a wheelchair.

[shop.mabisdmi.com image 400x430]


+1
 
2012-06-07 03:14:50 PM
Is "water" the Portugese word for "brains"?


domine: Sad story but come on.

Anyone with the most basic knowledge of human death and decomposition can give a logical explanation for this.
- Lactic acid collects in the intestines, causes the abdomen muscle to contract
- body sits up
- Gasses are expelled from stomach cavity, likely vibrating the vocal cords on the way out.

People freak out - father in the middle of what is likely the most traumatic event of his life claims his son asked for water. In the end though, the family is looking for someone to blame.

/ what is even more sad is that if the boy was actually alive, the story would have likely been about the boy and his parents burned at the stake for some sort of primitive religious fallacy.


Emphasis mine. Please note that gasses expelled from the stomach do not pass through the vocal cords. Vibrations from stomach gasses passing up the esophagus are sufficient by themselves to mimic human speech; that's how esophageal speech works for laryngectomees.
 
2012-06-07 03:15:22 PM
My father tells the story of a friend who drove a hearse. One night he looks in the rear view mirror just in time you see the corpse sit up and groan. He broke both his legs getting out of the car while it was doing sixty.

Not sure I believe it, but I suppose it's plausible.
 
2012-06-07 03:57:40 PM
vernterv: unyon: Midnight Rambler: Abra cadaver!

Well played. I was fascinated by how he learned to speak English when dead.

Dammit, that made me burst out laughing.


I aim to please. It was that or he sat up talking "eu quero cérebros", but I figured the audience for the Portuguese joke was smaller.
 
2012-06-07 03:59:30 PM
Allen. The end.: washington-babylon: turboke: LaViergeNoire: I have a little boy (3, almost 4), and if that kind of thing happened, there is no FARKING way I'd bury him anyway the same day, doctors saying he's really dead or not. I've read enough Edgar Allen Poe and I'd try to get some better doctors.

/emotional
//sad story

I was rather thinking along the lines of H.P. Lovecraft.

The fall of the House of Usher.

'Nuff said.

We would have also accepted "The Premature Burial".


Well, I didn't want to use up all of the entries ;)
 
2012-06-07 06:17:57 PM
no one else notice the bongs for sale on the shelf behind him @ 1:43?
 
2012-06-07 07:24:25 PM
Well at least he didn't ask to eat Daddy's eyes...
 
2012-06-07 07:26:31 PM
Why don't people coming back from the dead say anything useful?

"Don't buy the solar stock"

"I'll Have Another wins again"

"See you soon daddy."
 
2012-06-07 08:09:59 PM
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2012-06-07 08:18:09 PM
BronyMedic: iron_city_ap: So, you give them an hour and if they don't say anything, you go and bury them? I'm voting 'fake'

I'm voting incompetence.

No, really, I am. I figure some idiot of a third world, favela dwelling ghetto doctor declared the child dead without a thorough examination, listening to heart tones, checking pupils, or running an EKG, and the kid woke up long enough to ask for water before dying.


This.

Also, he may very well have been murdered a second time by the delay in funeral. They should have waited until there were actual signs of decomposition.

/That poor child...
 
2012-06-07 09:41:26 PM
LordOfThePings: [s2.hubimg.com image 520x548]

I think the bell would ring by being blown by the wind. There must have been a lot of false alarms and digging up of corpses.
 
2012-06-07 11:06:56 PM
kg2095: I think the bell would ring by being blown by the wind. There must have been a lot of false alarms and digging up of corpses.

Nah, they're pretty quiet when you take the clappers out.
 
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