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2012-06-06 04:53:10 PM  
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2012-06-06 04:55:29 PM  
You know, if Booker T. Washington is right that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work; if we take that as an axiom, does that mean that the people who are getting government assistance spend nearly no time in the Bible, therefore have no desire, and therefore no ability for hard work?

No.
 
2012-06-06 04:56:01 PM  
Yep. That's why poverty is almost non-existent in the Bible Belt.
 
2012-06-06 05:00:27 PM  
Because poor people have never been real big on religion
 
2012-06-06 05:00:28 PM  

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/thread, farking theocrats
 
2012-06-06 05:01:04 PM  

Quasar: Yep. That's why poverty is almost non-existent in the Bible Belt.


To be fair, those folks just aren't reading their Bibles hard enough. You really have to dig in order to get to Supply Side Jesus...
 
2012-06-06 05:02:20 PM  

hubiestubert: Quasar: Yep. That's why poverty is almost non-existent in the Bible Belt.

To be fair, those folks just aren't reading their Bibles hard enough. You really have to dig in order to get to Supply Side Jesus...


Wait. You think they can even read?
 
2012-06-06 05:02:48 PM  
If you believe that, my buddy Karl & I have some Opiates to sell you.
 
2012-06-06 05:15:10 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If you believe that, my buddy Karl & I have some Opiates to sell you.


aren't you supposed to be distributing those to the masses?
 
2012-06-06 05:19:06 PM  

Kazan: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If you believe that, my buddy Karl & I have some Opiates to sell you.

aren't you supposed to be distributing those to the masses?


I think that's on Sundays, isn't it?
 
2012-06-06 05:24:47 PM  
OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
 
2012-06-06 05:26:34 PM  
I think if they didn't read the Bible, they'd be a little bit less likely to be on welfare since they wouldn't be losing out on that 10% that they give to little baby Jebus every Sunday.
 
2012-06-06 05:29:37 PM  
What if they're using the Bible to find chapter & verse numbers to assist with God-endorsed lottery purchases?
 
2012-06-06 05:29:44 PM  

ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?


WITCH! BURN HER!
 
2012-06-06 05:31:50 PM  

ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?


That you have a Sugar Daddy?
 
2012-06-06 05:32:18 PM  
No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

It's a Divine Get Out Of Jail Free card for Christians with money. They are clearly graced, and the poor are not. Even poor Christians. They just aren't getting it. If they were, they'd be wealthy and comfortable.

The logic is absurd to the point of causing physical pain in my head. But they get away with it. And you know what's better......?

When they do sin (and boy do they sin), it's OK because they're God's chosen and He has a bigger plan for them. Such hypocrisy or minor moral failings are just nuisance details. Mere distractions from His Big Plan.

It must be nice.

It's also why unions are evil. And may I point out who Walker first thanked in his victory speech last night. If you work for a Godly employer, you don't need a union. A union is an antagonist to God's chosen leader for you. It's a creation of man and as such is worldly and subject to evil. You should always trust, obey, and have faith in your Christian leaders.
 
2012-06-06 05:32:58 PM  
But I was always told that people were on welfare because they're lazyasses.

I guess they're too lazy to read the Bible. It all makes sense now!
 
2012-06-06 05:33:18 PM  
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I don't have anything constructive to add, but I'd just like to say I preferred looking at Jenna Bush's tits instead of this guy on the sidebar.
 
2012-06-06 05:35:29 PM  
I think the poor should eat the bible.

Discuss?
 
2012-06-06 05:35:58 PM  
Run with this, republicans. Go on, tell Appalachia and the rust belt that they're a bunch of dirty heathens. It's not like they take their religion pretty seriously there.
 
2012-06-06 05:36:02 PM  

ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?


Chosen One?
 
2012-06-06 05:37:31 PM  
You can't read after smoking crack ack ack ack
 
2012-06-06 05:38:24 PM  
I don't know, let me me ask my Tea Party, Christian ex-uncle.

Me: Hey, ex-Uncle Kevin, because you're on disability and therefore welfare, does that mean you don't read the Bible enough?
Ex-Uncle Kevin: Shut up! I'm disabled! I NEED my welfare, unlike all those lazy blacks!

/Thank FSM my aunt divorced that loser
//We're still dealing with the repurcussions of that union, though
///He just got married to ANOTHER lady he can mooch off!
 
2012-06-06 05:38:33 PM  
Sounds like this guy has no clue what is in the Bible regarding welfare and helping you fellow man...
 
2012-06-06 05:38:39 PM  

Poopspasm: Run with this, republicans. Go on, tell Appalachia and the rust belt that they're a bunch of dirty heathens. It's not like they take their religion pretty seriously there.


Doesn't matter. The new god is not the Christian one, but the Capitalist one. You can get away with ignoring the teachings of Christ, so long as you advocate nothing which runs counter to capitalism.

tl;dr: Capitalism is the true god.
 
2012-06-06 05:39:04 PM  

Cletus C.: I think the poor should eat the bible.

Discuss?


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2012-06-06 05:40:37 PM  
Yes, I would have to agree. It makes perfect sense for people who have no sense.
 
2012-06-06 05:40:41 PM  
Jesus was on welfare.

He depended on handouts and was homeless, and He encouraged others to be on welfare and be homeless.
 
2012-06-06 05:40:43 PM  
poor folk have it so good they don't need eternal salvation.

there might be something to that, i mean, non-poor are always so evil they pretty much require some sort of cleansing before death.
 
2012-06-06 05:41:35 PM  

Kazan: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If you believe that, my buddy Karl & I have some Opiates to sell you.

aren't you supposed to be distributing those to the masses?


That would be socialism.
 
2012-06-06 05:41:40 PM  
Makes sense. They must have given away all their possessions to the poor.
 
2012-06-06 05:42:21 PM  

Quasar: Yep. That's why poverty is almost non-existent in the Bible Belt.


To be fair, those people can't read.
 
2012-06-06 05:43:49 PM  

Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.


I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.
 
2012-06-06 05:43:52 PM  

illegal.tender: Poopspasm: Run with this, republicans. Go on, tell Appalachia and the rust belt that they're a bunch of dirty heathens. It's not like they take their religion pretty seriously there.

Doesn't matter. The new god is not the Christian one, but the Capitalist one. You can get away with ignoring the teachings of Christ, so long as you advocate nothing which runs counter to capitalism.

tl;dr: Capitalism is the true god.


Exactly.

The kept the framework but threw out all the substance and replaced it with their own meaning.
 
2012-06-06 05:43:55 PM  

Poopspasm: Run with this, republicans. Go on, tell Appalachia and the rust belt that they're a bunch of dirty heathens. It's not like they take their religion pretty seriously there.


If you haven't already noticed, Christianity is centered around feeling guilt-ridden for the rest of your life. Why do you think there are still a lot of women who are Christians? Why do you think there are a lot of poor people who are Christian?

"Obviously it's the Original Sin, and if things are going wrong for me, either I'm not obeying my husband enough or I'm not praying enough. If it continues despite this, it means I'm such a terrible person that only God could love me, and I must sacrifice everything for him. After all, I'm such a horrible person that I was horrible since I was born, and God let his son die to give me the mere chance of absolving my sins."

It kind of answers the question of why they think atheists are arrogant, if you really think about it.

Meanwhile, the rich Christians, especially rich preachers/politicians (not a lot of difference at this point) are riding these poor suckers all the way to the bank.

And yes, I do live in the Appalachian Mountains in the south. Why do you ask?
 
2012-06-06 05:44:49 PM  

Impasse: Cletus C.: I think the poor should eat the bible.

Discuss?

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I like that. The guy's like "Here you go!", the woman in the background is like "Look how much we're helping!", and the Haitian woman is like "WTF is this?"
 
2012-06-06 05:45:36 PM  
I don't really care to think about who's responsible for tying wealth and God at the hip in "modern" society, just fark them, whoever they are.
 
2012-06-06 05:46:03 PM  

theorellior: Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.


I really think it's importance in understanding this country cannot be overstated. You think the Koch brothers are bad? Not even close to what the Family is up to.

And I believe they're members. Have to look that one up. They're MO is certainly spot on.
 
2012-06-06 05:46:17 PM  

vernonFL: Jesus was on welfare.

He depended on handouts and was homeless, and He encouraged others to be on welfare and be homeless.


Jesus used gifts from his father to further his political ambitions, like Grover Norquist. Which is why liberals can't stand Norquist, because it reminds them of their hatred to the reality of Jesus existence.
 
2012-06-06 05:46:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Wait. You think they can even read?


I wonder when the fundie bigwigs are finally gonna tell their flocks that they shouldn't read the Bible, they should let their ministers do that and tell them what's in it.

I mean, they do that anyway, but nobody's actually come out and said, "God says let your pastor decide what's in The Book."
 
2012-06-06 05:47:19 PM  
The Prosperity Gospel was pretty much the worst thing to have happen to Christianity.
 
2012-06-06 05:47:29 PM  
Wait, don't conservative pundits tend to adhere to the "JEWS RULE HOLLYWOOD" mantra?

How does that square off with this?
 
2012-06-06 05:47:53 PM  

Gato Blanco: Poopspasm: Run with this, republicans. Go on, tell Appalachia and the rust belt that they're a bunch of dirty heathens. It's not like they take their religion pretty seriously there.

If you haven't already noticed, Christianity is centered around feeling guilt-ridden for the rest of your life. Why do you think there are still a lot of women who are Christians? Why do you think there are a lot of poor people who are Christian?

"Obviously it's the Original Sin, and if things are going wrong for me, either I'm not obeying my husband enough or I'm not praying enough. If it continues despite this, it means I'm such a terrible person that only God could love me, and I must sacrifice everything for him. After all, I'm such a horrible person that I was horrible since I was born, and God let his son die to give me the mere chance of absolving my sins."

It kind of answers the question of why they think atheists are arrogant, if you really think about it.

Meanwhile, the rich Christians, especially rich preachers/politicians (not a lot of difference at this point) are riding these poor suckers all the way to the bank.

And yes, I do live in the Appalachian Mountains in the south. Why do you ask?


Where at? I was in southwest Virginia a couple of weeks ago to see family (Lee county, and the inappropriately named Wise county).
 
2012-06-06 05:47:56 PM  

lockers: vernonFL: Jesus was on welfare.

He depended on handouts and was homeless, and He encouraged others to be on welfare and be homeless.

Jesus used gifts from his father to further his political ambitions, like Grover Norquist. Which is why liberals can't stand Norquist, because it reminds them of their hatred to the reality of Jesus existence.


Call me when Grover heals the sick and feeds the masses.
 
2012-06-06 05:48:31 PM  

Diogenes: I really think it's importance in understanding this country cannot be overstated.


That and "The Authoritarian Specter" should be required reading in civics classes.
 
2012-06-06 05:50:06 PM  
You know, if my fever dreams are right, and I have two penises and therefore am awesome; If we take that as an axiom then doesn't it make sense to say that I am a literal sex machine?
 
2012-06-06 05:52:00 PM  

Diogenes: lockers: vernonFL: Jesus was on welfare.

He depended on handouts and was homeless, and He encouraged others to be on welfare and be homeless.

Jesus used gifts from his father to further his political ambitions, like Grover Norquist. Which is why liberals can't stand Norquist, because it reminds them of their hatred to the reality of Jesus existence.

Call me when Grover heals the sick and feeds the masses.


He's trying, but the libs are refusing to compromise in the least. Once Norquist succeeds with rolling back government overreach and onerous confiscatory taxation all will be employed and can afford food and health care for themselves.
 
2012-06-06 05:52:20 PM  

themindiswatching: The Prosperity Gospel was pretty much the worst thing to have happen to Christianity.


In fairness, Buddhism has its own version too.

"Don't feel sorry for them because it's their karma!"

Yeah, it's just as odious...
 
2012-06-06 05:53:19 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Wait, don't conservative pundits tend to adhere to the "JEWS RULE HOLLYWOOD" mantra?

How does that square off with this?


Easy. The conservatives are the ones always quoting the Torah, particularly Leviticus. The second part of the Bible is just filler.
 
2012-06-06 05:54:01 PM  
Jesus would like a word with him. Considering this very attitude, that the poor are poor because they're moral failures, was one of the things he was very much opposed to.
 
2012-06-06 05:55:53 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Ex-Uncle Kevin: Shut up! I'm disabled! I NEED my welfare, unlike all those lazy blacks!


And that's the general thought - from Romney on down to Uncle Kevin.
 
2012-06-06 05:56:40 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Jesus would like a word with him. Considering this very attitude, that the poor are poor because they're moral failures, was one of the things he was very much opposed to.


I'm a moral failure and I have a good job. Does this mean I'm Enoch or something? Because awesome.
 
2012-06-06 05:56:44 PM  
Whatever. Radio show hosts love to say stuff to get people riled up because it keeps people tuned in. I'm convinced that they'd perform live executions if it would help their ratings.

In short, what a radio show host blathers on about (whether it's about politics or sports or whatever) means jack shiat to me, and I'm sure that if we scratch the surface, we can find 1000 other radio hosts saying equally retarded crap.

It's why I prefer local news radio for local news/weather/traffic and NPR for everything else.
 
2012-06-06 05:58:03 PM  

MrEricSir: Fluorescent Testicle: Wait, don't conservative pundits tend to adhere to the "JEWS RULE HOLLYWOOD" mantra?

How does that square off with this?

Easy. The conservatives are the ones always quoting the Torah, particularly Leviticus. The second part of the Bible is just filler.


Well, they seem to forget about OTHER parts of Leviticus...

Leviticus 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Which seems to point to Yahweh being down with welfare and assisting folks in need.

Leviticus 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Yahweh seems to be down with helping the handicapped too.

Leviticus 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.

So, apparently, lying and telling tales is not approved of, and that communities should stand together. Not just the pale people or the brown people, but all y'all's people...

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Guess wishing death and terribleness on your neighbors is out too. How many Democrats or Libertarians or Scientologist you think live in your neighborhoods?

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Gee. Love thy neighbor. Nor on the children of your people. Whuddathunkit?

And, of course, there is something about immigrants that is completely ignored by the rabid Christian nationalists...

Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.


Does that mean we can end this ridiculousness about trying to repeal the 14th Amendment, since Leviticus was down with that sort of thing LONG before the Founding Fathers or Lincoln?
 
2012-06-06 05:58:08 PM  
There are times when I think that sarcasm is just a way to keep

lockers: Diogenes: lockers: vernonFL: Jesus was on welfare.

He depended on handouts and was homeless, and He encouraged others to be on welfare and be homeless.

Jesus used gifts from his father to further his political ambitions, like Grover Norquist. Which is why liberals can't stand Norquist, because it reminds them of their hatred to the reality of Jesus existence.

Call me when Grover heals the sick and feeds the masses.

He's trying, but the libs are refusing to compromise in the least. Once Norquist succeeds with rolling back government overreach and onerous confiscatory taxation all will be employed and can afford food and health care for themselves.


You know, there are times when I think sarcasm and humor are the only things keeping us for reaching for our guns.
 
2012-06-06 05:59:09 PM  

Impasse: Cletus C.: I think the poor should eat the bible.

Discuss?

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Dammit. That very image is copied into my clipboard that this moment.

*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-06-06 05:59:44 PM  
*at*
 
2012-06-06 06:03:37 PM  
Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.
 
2012-06-06 06:06:34 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.


"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14
 
2012-06-06 06:07:54 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.


Well, it certainly might have save Newt and Rush from their own marriage disasters, wouldn't it? Stoopid Commandments...
 
2012-06-06 06:08:21 PM  

SmackLT: Whatever. Radio show hosts love to say stuff to get people riled up because it keeps people tuned in. I'm convinced that they'd perform live executions if it would help their ratings.

In short, what a radio show host blathers on about (whether it's about politics or sports or whatever) means jack shiat to me, and I'm sure that if we scratch the surface, we can find 1000 other radio hosts saying equally retarded crap.

It's why I prefer local news radio for local news/weather/traffic and NPR for everything else.


I think you're underestimating the influence these people have as a coordinated whole. It is not entirely about the ratings, or even primarily. These people are true believers, well-funded and zealous in their beliefs about capitalism and the prosperity gospel. They have had a huge negative influence upon the republic and the world at large, and shouldn't be ignored or dismissed.
 
2012-06-06 06:08:53 PM  

Poopspasm: Where at? I was in southwest Virginia a couple of weeks ago to see family (Lee county, and the inappropriately named Wise county).


I live in Western NC. Thankfully near Asheville. The area around it, though... oh jesus, it's pretty blood-red in terms of politics.
 
2012-06-06 06:09:39 PM  
Wouldn't it be interesting to do a study between those that are on welfare [dog whistle] and see how much and how often they read the Bible. You know, if Booker T. Washington [DOG WHISTLE!!] is right that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work; if we take that as an axiom, does that mean that the people who are getting government assistance spend nearly no time in the Bible, therefore have no desire, and therefore no ability for hard work [dog whistle]? I could go a lot of places with this [ARE YA HEARING THIS FRIGGIN' DOG WHISTLE YET??]. I would love to see this proven out in some kind of sociological study, but it makes perfect sense.
 
2012-06-06 06:10:07 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

I don't have anything constructive to add, but I'd just like to say I preferred looking at Jenna Bush's tits instead of this guy on the sidebar.


agreed.

And how dumb is that guy? Probably very.
 
2012-06-06 06:10:23 PM  
False assumption is false.

Republican, employed, not on welfare, doesn't read Bible.
 
2012-06-06 06:11:00 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.


why? does bible cause infertility?
 
2012-06-06 06:13:34 PM  

Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14


Hey, we're not the ones that are against making contraception cheap and affordable, or against abortions being accessible to the poor. And we ARE the ones that are defending welfare for poor people that do have kids that can't afford to raise them, instead of calling them welfare queens and forcing them into shame and guilt. Just super sayin'.
 
2012-06-06 06:14:49 PM  

hubiestubert: themindiswatching: The Prosperity Gospel was pretty much the worst thing to have happen to Christianity.

In fairness, Buddhism has its own version too.

"Don't feel sorry for them because it's their karma!"

Yeah, it's just as odious...


To be fair, prosperity gospel can only come from what I'd call the true worst thing to happen to Christianity, the idea of salvation by grace rather than by good works. If it comes down to believing the right thing, then what's the point of having any rules at all?
 
2012-06-06 06:17:51 PM  

SithLord: False assumption is false.

Republican, employed, not on welfare, doesn't read Bible.


A Sith lord Republican. What a surprise!

/I keed, I keed....
 
2012-06-06 06:19:05 PM  
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Pure evil: this is what its servants looks like.
 
2012-06-06 06:22:40 PM  

PonceAlyosha: To be fair, prosperity gospel can only come from what I'd call the true worst thing to happen to Christianity, the idea of salvation by grace rather than by good works.


It's funny how Bernie Madoff, The Secret, and Christianity all have this in common.
 
2012-06-06 06:24:34 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.


And if you read the Bible, you'd be trying to help them instead of trying to put them down.
 
2012-06-06 06:25:39 PM  

Gato Blanco: Poopspasm: Where at? I was in southwest Virginia a couple of weeks ago to see family (Lee county, and the inappropriately named Wise county).

I live in Western NC. Thankfully near Asheville. The area around it, though... oh jesus, it's pretty blood-red in terms of politics.


Yeah. I got to listen to my (very religious) uncle gripe about how greedy, obsessed with money, and generally unkind this country has become, then complain about Obama taxing the wealthy and tell me all about how he's going to vote republican.

It's no wonder he had a stroke a few years back. I love the guy though, because he actually means all that stuff about being kinder and less greedy. He just hasn't connected that conviction to his political affiliation yet.
 
2012-06-06 06:27:13 PM  

Isitoveryet: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

why? does bible cause infertility?


You can use the pocket-sized ones as a diaphragm.
 
2012-06-06 06:29:22 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because poor people have never been real big on religion


God only likes rich white people.
 
2012-06-06 06:32:03 PM  

TV's Vinnie: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because poor people have never been real big on religion

God only likes rich white people.


I think this was doctrine that began before 1492, but more intensely after.
 
2012-06-06 06:38:49 PM  

vernonFL: Jesus was on welfare.

He depended on handouts and was homeless, and He encouraged others to be on welfare and be homeless.


That's why he was nailed up.

But on a serious note, I have noticed that the more affluent you are, the more likely you're very religious. It fits nicely into their worldview that there is a supreme being out there who is watching over you and your money, defending your status quo. Go ahead and be a billionaire bastard, cuz Jehovah's got your back.

So, if richness IS godliness, then it's no surprise how they view the poor and homeless as minions of Satan. Sure, you can convert some of those savages into being Christian as well, but they're just "second class christians" who are supposed to know their place (which is most usually under your divine boot).

So, in the rich conservative universe, there are three levels of Humanity:

1. The Elite: Chosen by God, rewarded with lots and lots of money and power

2. The Obedient Poor: Also religious, but no way will they be let into Heaven on Judgement Day. Maybe they'll be allowed in during weekdays to clean your pools and mow your lawns

3. The Satanic Poor: Marked by God as Unclean and Unworthy. Crush them! Kill them! No mercy!
 
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2012-06-06 06:43:14 PM  

hubiestubert: Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Gee. Love thy neighbor. Nor on the children of your people. Whuddathunkit?


That doesn't say what you think it does. It doesn't say "love your neighbor" it says "love your neighbor as you love yourself"

How many of the Fox news watchers are self loathing?
 
2012-06-06 06:44:04 PM  
Mark 6: 8-10 "8 These were his instructions: "Take nothing for the journey except a staff-no bread, no bag, no money in your belts. 9 Wear sandals but not an extra shirt. 10 Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave that town."

Guess that needs some editing.
 
2012-06-06 06:55:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Because poor people have never been real big on religion

God only likes rich white people.


Rich white men. White wimmen at sluts.
 
2012-06-06 07:03:29 PM  
Why do you think that Conservapedia is rewriting the Bible?
 
2012-06-06 07:12:12 PM  
Some of the most fervent believers I know are on welfare...
 
2012-06-06 07:15:12 PM  

SmackLT: It's why I prefer local news radio for local news/weather/traffic and NPR for everything else.


Your NPR doesn't give you local news/traffic/weather?
 
2012-06-06 07:16:18 PM  
It seems to me that the vast majority of priests, preachers, pastors, vicars, bishops, cardinals, popes and the like all rely on handouts for their sustenance.

Maybe they should read the Bible?
 
2012-06-06 07:20:38 PM  
She's right. Look at how poor everyone was before the Bible was invented. It's only why God gave it to us in the first place.
 
2012-06-06 07:22:08 PM  

ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?


You slept your way to your current position just like Nancy Pelosi, you slut.
 
2012-06-06 07:23:35 PM  

LoneWolf343: She's right. Look at how poor everyone was before the Bible was invented. It's only why God gave it to us in the first place.


For some reason, I said "she." Sounded like something that the token bimbos on Fox News would say.

*RTFA*

Oh, so it's David Barton. fark it, I'm not apologizing.
 
2012-06-06 07:23:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: But on a serious note, I have noticed that the more affluent you are, the more likely you're very religious.


I've come to the direct opposite conclusion. I don't think the very rich are all that religious. But I think there are a lot of very poor people who are very religious. I think it is because the only positive thing they have to look forward to is some sort of salvation.
 
2012-06-06 07:24:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

You slept your way to your current position just like Nancy Pelosi, you slut.


So she should be worshiped, then.

/all hail the woman that likes sex
 
2012-06-06 07:26:29 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Satanic_Hamster: ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

You slept your way to your current position just like Nancy Pelosi, you slut.

So she should be worshiped, then.

/all hail the woman that likes sex


My ex-wife loved sex

/just not with me
 
2012-06-06 07:27:11 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: TV's Vinnie: But on a serious note, I have noticed that the more affluent you are, the more likely you're very religious.

I've come to the direct opposite conclusion. I don't think the very rich are all that religious. But I think there are a lot of very poor people who are very religious. I think it is because the only positive thing they have to look forward to is some sort of salvation.


According to my religious studies class in college, that's exactly right. Poor people have very little support in their lives, and they will often turn to religion to help them get through this shiatty life so they can have an eternity in paradise. That makes a lifetime of suffering worthwhile.
 
2012-06-06 07:29:35 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: TV's Vinnie: But on a serious note, I have noticed that the more affluent you are, the more likely you're very religious.

I've come to the direct opposite conclusion. I don't think the very rich are all that religious. But I think there are a lot of very poor people who are very religious. I think it is because the only positive thing they have to look forward to is some sort of salvation.


Wasn't that the whole point in the first place?

"Noble serf -- do not storm the castle to drink the King's mead, adorn yourself with his jewels or pull a waggon-train upon his comely daughters! Your squalorous, disease-ridden life of poverty among the mud pleases the Lord who shall reward ye with a even FINER castle, sweeter mead, more luxurious jewels and maidens fair who don't mind you using the 'rear drawbridge' if thee gets my drift!"
 
2012-06-06 07:32:21 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nadie_AZ: Satanic_Hamster: ToxicMunkee: OMG, I don't read the Bible and I'm not on welfare. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

You slept your way to your current position just like Nancy Pelosi, you slut.

So she should be worshiped, then.

/all hail the woman that likes sex

My ex-wife loved sex

/just not with me


There's a difference between biatch and slut. Your slut was a biatch.
 
2012-06-06 07:32:53 PM  
I have a professor (of mathematics) who believes that if people give up 20% of their wealth to the poor, they will always gain more money in return. He even backs it up with anecdotes. He pulls this from the scriptures, and is completely sure of it.

This is a man of science, of math, who believes that. I cannot wrap my head around it.

/"I've never heard of anyone who it didn't work for!"
//seriously.
 
2012-06-06 07:36:41 PM  
No, it's because they are UNABLE TO READ, farking moron. Also unable to think, but that doesn't stop the poor from filling your churches.

And many churches help to socioeconomically segregate the proletariat from the upper classes so they don't have to worry about getting any poor on them.
 
2012-06-06 07:46:06 PM  
This is what religious conservatives actually believe. Prosperity Gospel FTW.
 
2012-06-06 07:47:50 PM  
You read the the gospels and Jesus says one thing and now we are getting this version of the exact opposite. What would you call a message like that??? Hmmm.. It is like the anti-Jesus message. Anti, Anti, ... dang.. well I am sure it will come to me.
 
2012-06-06 07:58:07 PM  
It seems like a good percentage of the people I've encountered in welfare offices, self-help clinics and other poverty-stricken locales are VERY religious--they often have their Bibles or Good News books with them when they come in. Otoh, a lot of them are older black women, so that's probably correlation without causation.

What this guy sounds like is a rich white person trying to justify his classism and racism by using religion, which definitely is correlated.
 
2012-06-06 08:03:40 PM  
Why is it the only Christians the media quotes are ones that are so obviously wrong? S obviously hypocrites. And so obviously not educated in Christian principles. They disrespect all of us by assuming we are clueless. This disrespect the faith, they pretend to have to get elected or bad mouth others. It must be obvious to anyone who read this far, I'm Christian and a bit annoyed at these people. How would an atheist feel if they always quoted the guy who "believes" in evolution rather than the one who understands the scientific method. I'm guessing the rest would get a bit annoyed. Ignorance fuels the animosity and hatred between different people and is ubiquitous.
 
2012-06-06 08:11:32 PM  

Gato Blanco: Poopspasm: Where at? I was in southwest Virginia a couple of weeks ago to see family (Lee county, and the inappropriately named Wise county).

I live in Western NC. Thankfully near Asheville. The area around it, though... oh jesus, it's pretty blood-red in terms of politics.


I'm not too far from you - extreme north Georgia. Yes, if this place were any redder, sunsets would be invisible.
 
2012-06-06 08:13:02 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

I don't have anything constructive to add, but I'd just like to say I preferred looking at Jenna Bush's tits instead of this guy on the sidebar.


Looks like he's got a mouthful of Walker
 
2012-06-06 08:13:40 PM  
Basic statistical correlations would very strongly indicate the opposite. Poor people as something like twice as likely to self-identify as highly religious, so according to our friend's logic here, the Bible makes you lazy and worthless.

Though, to be fair, I may be on to something there, the bible does kind of encourage you not to act on things and just sit around on your fat ass waiting for God to sort them out...
 
2012-06-06 08:40:10 PM  

Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

It's a Divine Get Out Of Jail Free card for Christians with money. They are clearly graced, and the poor are not. Even poor Christians. They just aren't getting it. If they were, they'd be wealthy and comfortable.

The logic is absurd to the point of causing physical pain in my head. But they get away with it. And you know what's better......?

When they do sin (and boy do they sin), it's OK because they're God's chosen and He has a bigger plan for them. Such hypocrisy or minor moral failings are just nuisance details. Mere distractions from His Big Plan.

It must be nice.

It's also why unions are evil. And may I point out who Walker first thanked in his victory speech last night. If you work for a Godly employer, you don't need a union. A union is an antagonist to God's chosen leader for you. It's a creation of man and as such is worldly and subject to evil. You should always trust, obey, and have faith in your Christian leaders.


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If anyone is interested -

The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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2012-06-06 08:41:30 PM  
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If anyone is interested -

The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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Link should work now
 
2012-06-06 08:43:11 PM  

WalkingCarpet: You know, if Booker T. Washington is right that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work; if we take that as an axiom, does that mean that the people who are getting government assistance spend nearly no time in the Bible, therefore have no desire, and therefore no ability for hard work?

No.


Appeal to authority + logical leaps => nonsensical conclusion

This is religious reasoning 101.
 
2012-06-06 08:43:57 PM  
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WTF FARK? Link worked in preview
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The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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http://npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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2012-06-06 08:52:42 PM  
I seem to recall that atheists are significantly more affluent on average than the population as a whole. Also less likely to commit crimes by a huge margin.
 
2012-06-06 09:03:27 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

I don't have anything constructive to add, but I'd just like to say I preferred looking at Jenna Bush's tits instead of this guy on the sidebar.


He looks like he just took a load straight from Walker's hose.
 
2012-06-06 09:05:38 PM  

Choestoe: Gato Blanco: Poopspasm: Where at? I was in southwest Virginia a couple of weeks ago to see family (Lee county, and the inappropriately named Wise county).

I live in Western NC. Thankfully near Asheville. The area around it, though... oh jesus, it's pretty blood-red in terms of politics.

I'm not too far from you - extreme north Georgia. Yes, if this place were any redder, sunsets would be invisible.


Uncle lives in Habersham County. We have to just not discuss politics.
 
2012-06-06 09:05:59 PM  

Boatmech: `
WTF FARK? Link worked in preview
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The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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http://npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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Thanks for the link.
 
2012-06-06 09:23:29 PM  

Trolljegeren: [deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 585x400]

Pure evil: this is what its servants looks like.


Orange? Do you mean....they're Oompah Loompahs?
 
2012-06-06 09:42:23 PM  

Shirley Ujest: Boatmech: `
WTF FARK? Link worked in preview
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The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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http://npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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Thanks for the link.


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Wiki has a lot more information on them with sources. These guys are a prime example of why Religion needs to stay the hell out of Politics.
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The Family
 
2012-06-06 09:44:23 PM  
I see the thought police are working overtime deleting comments and threads...I'm not sure when Fark became exclusively a right wing troll hive but it's kind of sickening. This used to be a fun site.
 
2012-06-06 09:46:39 PM  
I see somebody just took an Intro to Sociology course and discovered Max Weber.
 
2012-06-06 09:47:50 PM  

orangehat: .... This used to be a fun site.


but now it's filled with angry trolls
 
2012-06-06 09:49:49 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Three Crooked Squirrels: TV's Vinnie: But on a serious note, I have noticed that the more affluent you are, the more likely you're very religious.

I've come to the direct opposite conclusion. I don't think the very rich are all that religious. But I think there are a lot of very poor people who are very religious. I think it is because the only positive thing they have to look forward to is some sort of salvation.

Wasn't that the whole point in the first place?

"Noble serf -- do not storm the castle to drink the King's mead,


Dammit! You're giving it away! How the fark are we supposed to keep everything now??
 
2012-06-06 09:51:46 PM  

Boatmech: Shirley Ujest: Boatmech: `
WTF FARK? Link worked in preview
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The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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http://npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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Thanks for the link.

`
Wiki has a lot more information on them with sources. These guys are a prime example of why Religion needs to stay the hell out of Politics.
/still not sure why Fark was mangling my link, gonna try it again -
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The Family


So a bunch of fundie Republicans get together for a men's only Christian meeting every other week? I'm sure that was a completely wholesome event.
 
2012-06-06 09:51:49 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Though, to be fair, I may be on to something there, the bible does kind of encourage you not to act on things and just sit around on your fat ass waiting for God to sort them out...


Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".
 
2012-06-06 09:53:38 PM  
Why do people think the Bible will solve everything?
 
2012-06-06 09:54:44 PM  

Neeek: I seem to recall that atheists are significantly more affluent on average than the population as a whole. Also less likely to commit crimes by a huge margin.


This doesn't surprise me at all.
 
2012-06-06 09:55:48 PM  

orangehat: Boatmech: Shirley Ujest: Boatmech: `
WTF FARK? Link worked in preview
`
The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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http://npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
`
NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
`
Thanks for the link.

`
Wiki has a lot more information on them with sources. These guys are a prime example of why Religion needs to stay the hell out of Politics.
/still not sure why Fark was mangling my link, gonna try it again -
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The Family

So a bunch of fundie Republicans get together for a men's only Christian meeting every other week? I'm sure that was a completely wholesome event.


I think you mean hole some. Or something like that. I can't think of a better non sequitur. I need to get more drunk first.
 
2012-06-06 09:58:12 PM  

exick: I think if they didn't read the Bible, they'd be a little bit less likely to be on welfare since they wouldn't be losing out on that 10% that they give to little baby Jebus every Sunday.


You bring up an excellent point. People that scream that taxes are socialist probably don't think twice about their weekly tithing.
 
2012-06-06 10:00:09 PM  
In my lifetime, the people I've known who had the most extensive knowledge of Christian scripture were atheists, agnostics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, or Unitarians. I also knew one Muslim who was pretty well-read about it, and I have known one or two evangelicals who'd retained what they learned at Bible college.

By the same token, I have never met more scripturally ignorant people than fundies and teabagger types who profess to be Christians. A terrifying percentage of them couldn't cite more than half of the Ten Commandments, regardless of the order. Lots of them don't know correctly whether several significant books are in the Old or New Testament, and they mostly know snippets of verse. A big thing in fundie churches is to dwell on certain verses and ignore many others; people have told me that their pastors command them to ignore entire portions as "insignificant".

Bottom line, preachers like this do not actually want their flock to genuinely read and comprehend the entire scope of the Bible, because there's a lot in there that's radical and contradictory and upsetting to the status quo. They just want them to go to Bible Study classes where they're spoon-fed the Prosperity Gospel dogma.
 
2012-06-06 10:09:32 PM  

orangehat: I see the thought police are working overtime deleting comments and threads...I'm not sure when Fark became exclusively a right wing troll hive but it's kind of sickening. This used to be a fun site.


imgs.xkcd.com
Not saying it doesn't happen, just haven't seen it today.
 
2012-06-06 10:17:53 PM  

Serious Black: orangehat: Boatmech: Shirley Ujest: Boatmech: `
WTF FARK? Link worked in preview
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The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family' 
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http://npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
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NPR article from 2009 with some background info.
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Thanks for the link.

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Wiki has a lot more information on them with sources. These guys are a prime example of why Religion needs to stay the hell out of Politics.
/still not sure why Fark was mangling my link, gonna try it again -
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The Family

So a bunch of fundie Republicans get together for a men's only Christian meeting every other week? I'm sure that was a completely wholesome event.

I think you mean hole some. Or something like that. I can't think of a better non sequitur. I need to get more drunk first.


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orangehat
It's a bit more than that but don't trouble yourself to do a little research on the subject.
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Serious Black
Drink More / Worry Less !
 
2012-06-06 10:27:14 PM  
So that's why Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian and the Koch brothers have so much money. It's because they all read the bible so much.
 
2012-06-06 10:28:42 PM  
The things that you're liable to read in the Bible ain't necessarliy jack-shiat.
 
2012-06-06 10:37:09 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Jesus would like a word with him. Considering this very attitude, that the poor are poor because they're moral failures, was one of the things he was very much opposed to.


That sort of christian has no interest in what that bleeding heart commie Jesus may or may not have said.
 
2012-06-06 10:49:48 PM  

PonceAlyosha: hubiestubert: themindiswatching: The Prosperity Gospel was pretty much the worst thing to have happen to Christianity.

In fairness, Buddhism has its own version too.

"Don't feel sorry for them because it's their karma!"

Yeah, it's just as odious...

To be fair, prosperity gospel can only come from what I'd call the true worst thing to happen to Christianity, the idea of salvation by grace rather than by good works. If it comes down to believing the right thing, then what's the point of having any rules at all?


Salvation by grace is what Jesus actually did say. He also said you can't earn your way into heaven - it's a free gift (grace) but only if you believe that Jesus is the son of God. Why it's so important to God that we believe in him I cannot imagine.

So, salvation by grace is a correct interpretation of the fairy tale, but the assertion that God wants people to be materially wealthy is completely and irrefutably incorrect. Something about camels passing through the eyes of needles.

But, to the credit of these new age mega church leaders, the prosperity they preach is actually for themselves not their suckers flock. So they are in effect sacrificing their own chance of salvation by taking the prosperity from their congregation unto themselves. And thus saving their congregation from never ending torture in the bowels of hell.

Praise the lord and pass the bullshiat!
 
2012-06-06 10:56:01 PM  

Proteios1: Why is it the only Christians the media quotes are ones that are so obviously wrong? S obviously hypocrites. And so obviously not educated in Christian principles. They disrespect all of us by assuming we are clueless. This disrespect the faith, they pretend to have to get elected or bad mouth others.


Because your kind keeps listening to them, sending them money, and voting for them. Because the corporate conservative media prefers their Prosperity Gospel message and its effect on the people.

It must be obvious to anyone who read this far, I'm Christian and a bit annoyed at these people. How would an atheist feel if they always quoted the guy who "believes" in evolution rather than the one who understands the scientific method.

Seeing as how those are the people most often quoted and straw-manned on the MSM...we'd feel about how we do right now.

I'm guessing the rest would get a bit annoyed. Ignorance fuels the animosity and hatred between different people and is ubiquitous.

Well mate, that's what happens when the villains from Marxist and socialist yarns come to life and gain near-total control of the nation.
 
2012-06-06 10:56:47 PM  

kg2095: PonceAlyosha: hubiestubert: themindiswatching: The Prosperity Gospel was pretty much the worst thing to have happen to Christianity.

In fairness, Buddhism has its own version too.

"Don't feel sorry for them because it's their karma!"

Yeah, it's just as odious...

To be fair, prosperity gospel can only come from what I'd call the true worst thing to happen to Christianity, the idea of salvation by grace rather than by good works. If it comes down to believing the right thing, then what's the point of having any rules at all?

Salvation by grace is what Jesus actually did say. He also said you can't earn your way into heaven - it's a free gift (grace) but only if you believe that Jesus is the son of God. Why it's so important to God that we believe in him I cannot imagine.

So, salvation by grace is a correct interpretation of the fairy tale, but the assertion that God wants people to be materially wealthy is completely and irrefutably incorrect. Something about camels passing through the eyes of needles.

But, to the credit of these new age mega church leaders, the prosperity they preach is actually for themselves not their suckers flock. So they are in effect sacrificing their own chance of salvation by taking the prosperity from their congregation unto themselves. And thus saving their congregation from never ending torture in the bowels of hell.

Praise the lord and pass the bullshiat!


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2012-06-06 10:57:36 PM  

Boatmech: orangehat: I see the thought police are working overtime deleting comments and threads...I'm not sure when Fark became exclusively a right wing troll hive but it's kind of sickening. This used to be a fun site.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 300x162]
Not saying it doesn't happen, just haven't seen it today.


The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show; a couple of comments I've made yesterday and today...
 
2012-06-06 10:59:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Jesus would like a word with him. Considering this very attitude, that the poor are poor because they're moral failures, was one of the things he was very much opposed to.


Well if you look at it in a very specific way...

-Most welfare people are extremely religious

-Most extremely Religious don't actually read their own bible, or only read tiny sections that talk about hate and fear of others

-therefore most welfare people don't read the bible.

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2012-06-06 11:07:31 PM  

jso2897: The things that you're liable to read in the Bible ain't necessarliy jack-shiat.


Mostly they're not, actually; it's only when you add crap like "It's the inerrant word of god" and "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" that it becomes jackshiat. Also when you try to take things that were perfectly cromulent for 3d millennium nomadic tribesmen and try to make them apply to 21st century urban Americans, without allowing for all the cultural and technological changes we've made since then, you're going to have problems.

There's really nothing wrong with the idea of loving thy neighbor as thyself.
 
2012-06-06 11:08:42 PM  

atomic-age: Choestoe: Gato Blanco: Poopspasm: Where at? I was in southwest Virginia a couple of weeks ago to see family (Lee county, and the inappropriately named Wise county).

I live in Western NC. Thankfully near Asheville. The area around it, though... oh jesus, it's pretty blood-red in terms of politics.

I'm not too far from you - extreme north Georgia. Yes, if this place were any redder, sunsets would be invisible.

Uncle lives in Habersham County. We have to just not discuss politics.


Union County here. Not sure if we're worse than Habersham. The population here is older probably, so more conservative, but maybe a tiny bit less rabid. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, really. Will be interesting to see how long I can keep an Obama sign in the yard before it is stolen/defaced/shot. Not that I have it there yet. Gonna wait until mid-August anyhow.
 
2012-06-06 11:10:30 PM  
never even heard of this clown.

keep grasping libs.
 
2012-06-06 11:19:32 PM  
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

Know how I know those poor people don't have Facebook accounts?
 
2012-06-06 11:19:34 PM  
Here's a question for all you, "poor people are lazy, welfare takes away the incentive to work" folk:

Since the obscenely rich are currently sitting on record piles of cash, doesn't that take away their incentive to make more money by being productive? Shouldn't we tax the producers harder so they have more incentive to "make up the difference" by making MORE money through superior production?

By your logic, tax increases should improve the economy.
 
2012-06-06 11:25:41 PM  

orangehat: Boatmech: orangehat: I see the thought police are working overtime deleting comments and threads...I'm not sure when Fark became exclusively a right wing troll hive but it's kind of sickening. This used to be a fun site.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 300x162]
Not saying it doesn't happen, just haven't seen it today.

The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show; a couple of comments I've made yesterday and today...


Ah, now I see.
/kthxby
 
2012-06-06 11:36:32 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Jim_Callahan: Though, to be fair, I may be on to something there, the bible does kind of encourage you not to act on things and just sit around on your fat ass waiting for God to sort them out...

Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".


No, he didn't.
 
2012-06-06 11:45:56 PM  

Huggermugger: ottom line, preachers like this do not actually want their flock to genuinely read and comprehend the entire scope of the Bible, because there's a lot in there that's radical and contradictory and upsetting to the status quo. They just want them to go to Bible Study classes where they're spoon-fed the Prosperity Gospel dogma.


Ironic, given that the invention of the printing press (& increased levels of literacy) led to Protestantism in the first place....

/ yes, I know these "Prosperity Gospel" types do not speak for most Protestants
 
2012-06-06 11:50:46 PM  

TheBigJerk: Here's a question for all you, "poor people are lazy, welfare takes away the incentive to work" folk:

Since the obscenely rich are currently sitting on record piles of cash, doesn't that take away their incentive to make more money by being productive? Shouldn't we tax the producers harder so they have more incentive to "make up the difference" by making MORE money through superior production?

By your logic, tax increases should improve the economy.


No, you're wrong. See, what you're forgetting is that the rich have been rewarded by God with financial success, and taxing the successful is like spitting at God in defiance of His judgment. Really, we should be taxing them less, if not refusing to tax them at all.
 
2012-06-07 12:10:22 AM  

Diogenes: theorellior: Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.

I really think it's importance in understanding this country cannot be overstated. You think the Koch brothers are bad? Not even close to what the Family is up to.

And I believe they're members. Have to look that one up. They're MO is certainly spot on.


The Family?
 
2012-06-07 12:12:20 AM  

orangehat: The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show;


Unngreened because thee kid deleted his Youtube channel.
 
2012-06-07 12:42:21 AM  

cc_rider: Diogenes: theorellior: Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.

I really think it's importance in understanding this country cannot be overstated. You think the Koch brothers are bad? Not even close to what the Family is up to.

And I believe they're members. Have to look that one up. They're MO is certainly spot on.

The Family?


C Street Family, let me google that for you.
 
2012-06-07 12:55:43 AM  

robmilmel: orangehat: The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show;

Unngreened because thee kid deleted his Youtube channel.


For what it's worth -
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Is a working (mobile) link to the kids video.
Up to you if it's worth watching.
 
2012-06-07 01:21:19 AM  

USP .45: never even heard of this clown.

keep grasping libs.


So that makes it ok. Good to know.
 
2012-06-07 01:45:49 AM  

theorellior: Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.


I think I made it about a quarter of the way.. was pissing me off too much.
 
2012-06-07 01:52:41 AM  
So if we invert that, is he claiming that judicious study of the Bible leads to great earthly wealth? Okay, we'll play in his park.

"Jesus said to him, 'If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.' But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property. And Jesus said to His disciples, 'Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" Matthew 19: 21-25

"But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness." 1 Timothy 6:9-11

"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure! Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and which has been withheld by you, cries out against you; and the outcry of those who did the harvesting has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and put to death the righteous man; he does not resist you." James 5: 1-6
 
2012-06-07 02:03:16 AM  
I've got to wonder about the intelligence of the type of people who listen to radio talk shows.
 
2012-06-07 02:03:17 AM  
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg
 
2012-06-07 02:58:52 AM  
This moronic thinking was used throughout the dark ages to justify the nobility mistreating the peasants. They were rich nobles because they were favored by god, the peasants were poor because they were not righteous enough. Just another farking excuse to be assholes.
 
2012-06-07 03:14:09 AM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.


DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!
 
2012-06-07 03:40:04 AM  

SmackLT: Whatever. Radio show hosts love to say stuff to get people riled up because it keeps people tuned in. I'm convinced that they'd perform live executions if it would help their ratings.

In short, what a radio show host blathers on about (whether it's about politics or sports or whatever) means jack shiat to me, and I'm sure that if we scratch the surface, we can find 1000 other radio hosts saying equally retarded crap.

It's why I prefer local news radio for local news/weather/traffic and NPR for everything else.


I really like WGN in Chicago because it is interesting talk radio without the punditry. When the Cubs come on, I get my phone and listen to WLW from Cincinnati.
 
2012-06-07 03:53:05 AM  

Gyrfalcon: There's really nothing wrong with the idea of loving thy neighbor as thyself.


Make sure to get consent first, or you might find yourself in jail.

:-/
 
2012-06-07 04:21:24 AM  

kg2095: Salvation by grace is what Jesus actually did say.


He didn't. Paul said that in the letter to the Ephesians, chapter 2 verse 8. Jesus summed his own

view very well in the parable of the sheep and the goats, in the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 31:

31"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. 36I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? 38When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?'
40"The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 41Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; 43I was a stranger, and you didn't take me in; naked, and you didn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'
44"Then they will also answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn't help you?'
45"Then he will answer them, saying, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.' 46These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

orangehat: The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show; a couple of comments I've made yesterday and today...


The thread about the kid on the radio show got pulled because the video was deleted, actually the youtube account was deleted. So it wasn't possible for people to see it. And that's standard procedure around here, if the source of a story disappears, so does the thread.
 
2012-06-07 04:26:09 AM  
Follow me and I will make you fishers of men's wallets!
 
2012-06-07 05:08:21 AM  

USP .45: never even heard of this clown.

keep grasping libs.


You have to have heard of someone for what they say to be a worthy topic of discussion. Got it.
 
2012-06-07 06:23:27 AM  

bugmn99: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 372x348]

Know how I know those poor people don't have Facebook accounts?


"He" should have been capitalized.
 
2012-06-07 07:05:47 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: bugmn99: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 372x348]

Know how I know those poor people don't have Facebook accounts?

"He" should have been capitalized.


Now, now. You can't expect religious people to know that.
 
2012-06-07 07:13:35 AM  
fark.upi.com

"Someday, with enough hard work and Republicans in power, I'll be as rich as Jesus!!!!"
 
2012-06-07 07:35:25 AM  

hubiestubert: themindiswatching: The Prosperity Gospel was pretty much the worst thing to have happen to Christianity.

In fairness, Buddhism has its own version too.

"Don't feel sorry for them because it's their karma!"

Yeah, it's just as odious...


And they stole THAT from their Hindu roots.

What large-ish religion does not have its factions which support inequality?
 
2012-06-07 07:38:57 AM  
Yes, but, the bible has this guy in it that's ... supposed to have gained hero status for looking after people, feeding them, that sort of stuff. Now, if ever you need to knock down a building, you wouldn't be amiss using the head of that guy in the pic above sporting the *Walker for President* cap for the wrecking ball. I'm sure he wouldn't feel a thing.
 
2012-06-07 07:40:28 AM  
What the hell would a "conservative talk show host" know about making sense?
 
2012-06-07 07:41:23 AM  

Trolljegeren: Pure evil: this is what its servants looks like.


Giant farking Oompa-Loompas.

At least evil has a sense of humor (twisted as it is).
 
2012-06-07 07:46:37 AM  

Amos Quito: It seems to me that the vast majority of priests, preachers, pastors, vicars, bishops, cardinals, popes and the like all rely on handouts for their sustenance.

Maybe they should read the Bible?


Ok, this what you said right here.
Said it better than me brain could manage.

/i hope you like 'insightful cyan'
 
2012-06-07 07:50:40 AM  

theorellior: Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.


The sad thing is that the theology behind The Family isn't really all that different than orthodox Calvinist teachings. The Presbyterians in the US have gone in a more egalitarian direction over time, but the whole "wealth and social position as the sign of God's favor" idea was an uncontroversial part of early Calvinist doctrine.
 
2012-06-07 08:22:32 AM  

kg2095: Salvation by grace is what Jesus actually did say. He also said you can't earn your way into heaven - it's a free gift (grace) but only if you believe that Jesus is the son of God. Why it's so important to God that we believe in him I cannot imagine.


It's an issue of debt. Linguistically the language of our relationship to god -"sin", "guilt", "redemption", "Jubilee", "reckoning"- is all derived from words related to financial debt. God made humans, Eve broke the rules, Adam when along with it, and God didn't just kill them and start all over. As a result, you're in debt to God over Original Sin, and you're doubly in debt to God because It, in the form of Its avatar Jesus, died to redeem this debt (to Itself), and of course, since non-existence and eternal damnation are the alternatives to God's mercy, these are debts that can never be repaid. Belief in and subservience to God is part of paying those unpayable, eternal debts, just as bondage, servitude, and patronage have long been used to pay unpayable debts in human to human interactions. Unsurprisingly, this concept of God seems to have first arisen as Israel and Judea were integrated into the commercial economy of the wider Mesopotamia.

Of course God's mind can't be known so for all practical purposes subservience to God means subservience to its secular servitors, and God made humans and knows everything, meaning it created Adam and Eve with the intent that they'd "sin" and knowing that they'd do so, and being eternal and unbounded by physical laws God really can't "die" or suffer like we do, even if in the form of a mortal man, though according to non-Arian Christianity, Jesus was always divine and eternal, not mortal, making his "sacrifice" even more meaningless. That it was all God's plan, that there was never any chance of it not going God's way, and that God never really gave or even risked anything of consequence in its implementation, even according to their own arguments, changes nothing to the believer, though to my eyes it renders the modern Christian god into something rather similar to a mobster running a crooked poker game. Is it any wonder that people who view the world in these terms demand society-crushing austerity in response to recessions, or that they're willing to throw democracy out with the bath-water and turn to authoritarians to ensure it?
 
2012-06-07 08:29:41 AM  
Reading really ain't all that hard to do. Its the interpreting part that's difficult.
 
2012-06-07 08:32:14 AM  

Le French Boo: Reading really ain't all that hard to do. Its the interpreting part that's difficult.


'Understanding is a three edged sword.'
 
2012-06-07 08:40:09 AM  
www.justsaypictures.com

 
2012-06-07 08:42:43 AM  

EyeballKid: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

"Someday, with enough hard work and Republicans in power, I'll be as rich as Jesus!!!!"


That was brilliant!!!! You win two free internetz!!!!
 
2012-06-07 08:44:41 AM  

Proteios1: Why is it the only Christians the media quotes are ones that are so obviously wrong? S obviously hypocrites. And so obviously not educated in Christian principles. They disrespect all of us by assuming we are clueless. This disrespect the faith, they pretend to have to get elected or bad mouth others. It must be obvious to anyone who read this far, I'm Christian and a bit annoyed at these people. How would an atheist feel if they always quoted the guy who "believes" in evolution rather than the one who understands the scientific method. I'm guessing the rest would get a bit annoyed. Ignorance fuels the animosity and hatred between different people and is ubiquitous.


Maybe the "moderate" Christians such as yourself should be a bit more farking vocal.

You get together with other Christians on Sundays, right? Just maybe you and the rest of your weekly club should band together and speak the fark up... Just sayin'.

You never do, though. So, honestly, just STFU and stop whining.
 
2012-06-07 08:46:28 AM  

Heron: kg2095: Salvation by grace is what Jesus actually did say. He also said you can't earn your way into heaven - it's a free gift (grace) but only if you believe that Jesus is the son of God. Why it's so important to God that we believe in him I cannot imagine.

It's an issue of debt. Linguistically the language of our relationship to god -"sin", "guilt", "redemption", "Jubilee", "reckoning"- is all derived from words related to financial debt. God made humans, Eve broke the rules, Adam when along with it, and God didn't just kill them and start all over. As a result, you're in debt to God over Original Sin, and you're doubly in debt to God because It, in the form of Its avatar Jesus, died to redeem this debt (to Itself), and of course, since non-existence and eternal damnation are the alternatives to God's mercy, these are debts that can never be repaid. Belief in and subservience to God is part of paying those unpayable, eternal debts, just as bondage, servitude, and patronage have long been used to pay unpayable debts in human to human interactions. Unsurprisingly, this concept of God seems to have first arisen as Israel and Judea were integrated into the commercial economy of the wider Mesopotamia.

Of course God's mind can't be known so for all practical purposes subservience to God means subservience to its secular servitors, and God made humans and knows everything, meaning it created Adam and Eve with the intent that they'd "sin" and knowing that they'd do so, and being eternal and unbounded by physical laws God really can't "die" or suffer like we do, even if in the form of a mortal man, though according to non-Arian Christianity, Jesus was always divine and eternal, not mortal, making his "sacrifice" even more meaningless. That it was all God's plan, that there was never any chance of it not going God's way, and that God never really gave or even risked anything of consequence in its implementation, even according to their own arguments, changes nothing ...


This is quite interesting. Christianity as a long-running debt game that can never, ever be paid off, along with the monotheistic God being a loan shark. While I don't think you have to go this far to con stupid people that equate martyrdom to self-destruction and disenfranchisement, it sure as hell helps.
 
2012-06-07 08:55:15 AM  
David Barton, the guy that's wrong more than Bill Kristol?
 
2012-06-07 08:59:12 AM  

Jackson Herring: You know, if my fever dreams are right, and I have two penises and therefore am awesome; If we take that as an axiom then doesn't it make sense to say that I am a literal sex machine?


There ought to be a grant funded study to look into this, but it makes perfect sense.
 
2012-06-07 09:11:27 AM  
I'm sure the article has data to back up this hypothesis.
 
2012-06-07 09:18:15 AM  

Graffito: I'm sure the article has data to back up this hypothesis.


What hypothesis might that be?

/Know how I know you dnrtfa?
 
2012-06-07 09:22:00 AM  

Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

It's a Divine Get Out Of Jail Free card for Christians with money. They are clearly graced, and the poor are not. Even poor Christians. They just aren't getting it. If they were, they'd be wealthy and comfortable.

The logic is absurd to the point of causing physical pain in my head. But they get away with it. And you know what's better......?

When they do sin (and boy do they sin), it's OK because they're God's chosen and He has a bigger plan for them. Such hypocrisy or minor moral failings are just nuisance details. Mere distractions from His Big Plan.

It must be nice.

It's also why unions are evil. And may I point out who Walker first thanked in his victory speech last night. If you work for a Godly employer, you don't need a union. A union is an antagonist to God's chosen leader for you. It's a creation of man and as such is worldly and subject to evil. You should always trust, obey, and have faith in your Christian leaders.


That is a pretty good synopsis of The Family. The whole book is great example of man making god in his image. What I don't get is why do the rich and powerful still have, what appears to be, a genuine need for religion? So much so that they construct this abominable theology just to meet that need.
 
2012-06-07 09:26:46 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".


Oh, I so look forward to your providing Chapter and Verse on that one, Sparky.
 
2012-06-07 09:27:42 AM  

BeesNuts: Graffito: I'm sure the article has data to back up this hypothesis.

What hypothesis might that be?

/Know how I know you dnrtfa?


I went back and read the article. The hypothesis is right there, princess smarty pants.

Wouldn't it be interesting to do a study between those that are on welfare and see how much and how often they read the Bible. You know, if Booker T. Washington is right that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work; if we take that as an axiom, does that mean that the people who are getting government assistance spend nearly no time in the Bible, therefore have no desire, and therefore no ability for hard work? I could go a lot of places with this. I would love to see this proven out in some kind of sociological study, but it makes perfect sense.

As I suspected, this is all conjecture on his part with no data. It's just a gut feeling that he wishes were so.
 
2012-06-07 09:31:08 AM  

Deucednuisance: thatboyoverthere: Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".

Oh, I so look forward to your providing Chapter and Verse on that one, Sparky.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-06-07 09:33:00 AM  
That must be why the apostles gave up their worldly possesions, why jesus cared for the poor, and why even today Catholic priests have to take a vow of poverty....makes sense.

The problem with debating people like this asshat is that I'm handicapped by a need to make sense when I argue.
 
2012-06-07 09:42:27 AM  

Deucednuisance: thatboyoverthere: Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".

Oh, I so look forward to your providing Chapter and Verse on that one, Sparky.


DAMNIT! I did some research it turns out that was a phrase that came about during the Ancient Greek Church. So I'm admitting I'm wrong on fark. Now the world will implode in the next three hours. Or the severs will crash because Drew got drunk again. One of the two.
 
2012-06-07 09:50:43 AM  

robmilmel: orangehat: The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show;

Unngreened because thee kid deleted his Youtube channel.


Ah, I knew something from yesterday was missing when I checked this morning but I couldn't remember what it was.

I have a feeling that there will be a follow up green involving this kid down the road.
 
2012-06-07 09:51:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: jso2897: The things that you're liable to read in the Bible ain't necessarliy jack-shiat.

Mostly they're not, actually; it's only when you add crap like "It's the inerrant word of god" and "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" that it becomes jackshiat. Also when you try to take things that were perfectly cromulent for 3d millennium nomadic tribesmen and try to make them apply to 21st century urban Americans, without allowing for all the cultural and technological changes we've made since then, you're going to have problems.

There's really nothing wrong with the idea of loving thy neighbor as thyself.


I tried that. Neighbor got a restraining order.
 
2012-06-07 09:51:35 AM  
Fartbummer reads the Koran and it said that if you give the masses 72 food stamps each, they'll go to heaven and have bacon for breakfast every day... or something.
 
2012-06-07 09:53:20 AM  

USP .45: never even heard of this clown.

keep grasping libs.



This is actually pretty amusing, and quite appropriate to the thread.

Because, much like the author of the article, and the segment of the population under scrutiny, you flaunt your ignorance being as superior to actually being informed.

Fascinating!

Please do go on, it's quite entertaining. And maybe (God willing!) one day you'll acquire enough self-awareness to have the capacity to be embarrassed about it!
 
2012-06-07 09:53:24 AM  

Alphax: theorellior: Diogenes: No one believes me when I say this exactly what The Family teaches.

I read The Family, and I stopped halfway through because I was going through a difficult time in my life and the subject matter made me to shoot either myself or everyone involved in that farked-up cult.

I think I made it about a quarter of the way.. was pissing me off too much.


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Which is why you both should finish that 1 book at least.
The more people learn about these groups the better.
 
2012-06-07 09:55:00 AM  
GOP economic plan = pray for money?
 
2012-06-07 09:58:40 AM  
When I see the words, "Conservative talk show host," my brain just stops reading. There's no point; anything that comes after that phrase is going to be stupid, hateful, or both.
 
2012-06-07 10:01:32 AM  

thatboyoverthere: So I'm admitting I'm wrong on fark. Now the world will implode in the next three hours.


No, no, it's good to admit to being wrong. I do it all the time (but then again, I'm married).

The hard part is applying the new knowledge to the previously-drawn conclusions: does this new information alter a previously held opinion? Why, or why not?

Now, go thou, and sin no more.
 
2012-06-07 10:03:16 AM  

Deucednuisance: ignorance being as as being superior


FTFM, dammit.
 
2012-06-07 10:04:21 AM  

TV's Vinnie: So, in the rich conservative universe, there are three levels of Humanity:

1. The Elite: Chosen by God, rewarded with lots and lots of money and power

2. The Obedient Poor: Also religious, but no way will they be let into Heaven on Judgement Day. Maybe they'll be allowed in during weekdays to clean your pools and mow your lawns

3. The Satanic Poor: Marked by God as Unclean and Unworthy. Crush them! Kill them! No mercy!


Oh look, the virulent strain of radial puritanism is reasserting itself. Jeez, you wonder sometimes why the British threw our ancestors out - and here it is.

In other words, you are granted salvation through God's grace. Those granted salvation are chosen at birth by divine grace. There is no way for you to commit good acts (or in the reverse bad acts) to effect your salvation, as those saved are already predestined. However, those chosen to be saved will be [more successful / richer / 'gooder'] than those who are not. Thus, those [more successful / richer / 'gooder'] are excused from any of their bad acts because they are predestined to be saved.

I'm beginning to feel like we're in the 1500s.
 
2012-06-07 10:06:59 AM  

NeverDrunk23: robmilmel: orangehat: The thread about the kid talking about homosexuality being a choice on his radio show;

Unngreened because thee kid deleted his Youtube channel.

Ah, I knew something from yesterday was missing when I checked this morning but I couldn't remember what it was.

I have a feeling that there will be a follow up green involving this kid down the road.


This (mobile) link goes to the kids video if anyone is interested.
I dislike it enough to recommend at least 1 viewing

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0/0/0/video.3gp

/can't seem to make the link thingee work this am
 
2012-06-07 10:10:36 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

I don't have anything constructive to add, but I'd just like to say I preferred looking at Jenna Bush's tits instead of this guy on the sidebar.


There's just a different kind of "punching" that I want to engage in.
 
2012-06-07 10:32:59 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Jim_Callahan: Though, to be fair, I may be on to something there, the bible does kind of encourage you not to act on things and just sit around on your fat ass waiting for God to sort them out...

Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".


Whenever I see someone claim this, it is an immediate confirmation that they are a woefully uninformed, faux Christian. It is almost always the only thing they can quote from the Bible and it's not even in the Bible. It signifies a complete lack of effort or willingness to educate themselves about their religion and usually leads to an increasing awareness of their ignorance when I debate them about the Bible.
 
2012-06-07 10:38:16 AM  

Graffito: BeesNuts: Graffito: I'm sure the article has data to back up this hypothesis.

What hypothesis might that be?

/Know how I know you dnrtfa?

I went back and read the article. The hypothesis is right there, princess smarty pants.

Wouldn't it be interesting to do a study between those that are on welfare and see how much and how often they read the Bible. You know, if Booker T. Washington is right that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work; if we take that as an axiom, does that mean that the people who are getting government assistance spend nearly no time in the Bible, therefore have no desire, and therefore no ability for hard work? I could go a lot of places with this. I would love to see this proven out in some kind of sociological study, but it makes perfect sense.

As I suspected, this is all conjecture on his part with no data. It's just a gut feeling that he wishes were so.


o_O

I'm guessing this is just early morning confusion on one of our parts. Probably mine...? The article is *about* that quote... And therefore the article isn't expected to support that hypothesis, merely to report on it. I thought you were saying that the article presented that hypothesis in the first place.

/Swigs coffee.
//Where the fark am I?
 
2012-06-07 11:29:21 AM  

Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14


WhyteRaven74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

And if you read the Bible, you'd be trying to help them instead of trying to put them down.


This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left. You're perfectly alright with people reproducing with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings. Nope, according to you it's just peachy when Mary Jane Rottencrotch from the trailer park or Shaniqua from the hood cranks out another unit for the state to care for and it's my duty to help them raise these kids with my money.

Also, I hate to break it to you people but contraception IS cheap and easily accessable. Any gas station or quickie mart sells condoms for a couple bucks per box. Evidently that's not cheap and accessable enough so we need the state to pay for that too..........right?

God forbid someone ask the poor, or anyone else for that matter, to accept a little responsibility and put just a little thought in when they engage in behavior which can result in life-altering consequenses. Oh wait, that's putting them down. How forgetful of me.
 
2012-06-07 11:50:35 AM  
BeesNuts:

I like how the quote states that he accepts as axiomatic, "that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work," then goes on to say that further study is needed.

I don't think that David Barton knows what an axiom is.

BTW - I come here for the snarky give and take. I just have to make sure it doesn't leak into other aspects of my life, because not everyone is so thick-skinned as the people here on fark.
 
2012-06-07 11:51:24 AM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left.


You're not terribly bright, are you.
 
2012-06-07 11:54:30 AM  

Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left.

You're not terribly bright, are you.


About what I expected. Don't bother with a reasoned, intelligent answer just insult my intelligence.

That's very cute..............and predictable.
 
2012-06-07 11:55:06 AM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14

WhyteRaven74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

And if you read the Bible, you'd be trying to help them instead of trying to put them down.

This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left. You're perfectly alright with people reproducing with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings. Nope, according to you it's just peachy when Mary Jane Rottencrotch from the trailer park or Shaniqua from the hood cranks out another unit for the state to care for and it's my duty to help them raise these kids with my money.

Also, I hate to break it to you people but contraception IS cheap and easily accessable. Any gas station or quickie mart sells condoms for a couple bucks per box. Evidently that's not cheap and accessable enough so we need the state to pay for that too..........right?

God forbid someone ask the poor, or anyone else for that matter, to accept a little responsibility and put just a little thought in when they engage in behavior which can result in life-altering consequenses. Oh wait, that's putting them down. How forgetful of me.


It doesn't matter one damn bit how inexpensive or available contraception is when school children are never taught how to use it.
 
2012-06-07 12:00:12 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left.

You're not terribly bright, are you.

About what I expected. Don't bother with a reasoned, intelligent answer just insult my intelligence.

That's very cute..............and predictable.


What intelligence? You jump on "the left" boogeyman with nothing to show for it but typical talk radio level blather. Take off your one dimensional blinders.

\agnostic libertarian
 
2012-06-07 12:00:41 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left. You're perfectly alright with people reproducing with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings.


That is where you are wrong. I am not perfectly OK with people reproducing with with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings.

The difference between me and you is that I recognize that that is not the sole source of poverty. Life is complicated. Apparently, I'm not as judgmental nor do I make the assumptions that you do about why somebody needs help.

Most people who are on welfare use it for less than two years. They may or may not go back as they work jobs, get laid off, etc. I like it that we have a social safety net. I like that we don't make applicants answer to a panel of self-righteous dickbags in order to collect their paltry allowance.
 
2012-06-07 12:14:19 PM  
loljesus
 
2012-06-07 12:33:34 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14

WhyteRaven74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

And if you read the Bible, you'd be trying to help them instead of trying to put them down.

This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left. You're perfectly alright with people reproducing with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings. Nope, according to you it's just peachy when Mary Jane Rottencrotch from the trailer park or Shaniqua from the hood cranks out another unit for the state to care for and it's my duty to help them raise these kids with my money.

Also, I hate to break it to you people but contraception IS cheap and easily accessable. Any gas station or quickie mart sells condoms for a couple bucks per box. Evidently that's not cheap and accessable enough so we need the state to pay for that too..........right?

God forbid someone ask the poor, or anyone else for that matter, to accept a little responsibility and put just a little thought in when they engage in behavior which can result in life-altering consequenses. Oh wait, that's putting them down. How forgetful of me.


Yes, the left is always preaching about the need for disinformation/abstinence education, closing planned parenthood, and restrictions on contraception?

/farking doublething is strong in you
 
2012-06-07 12:35:45 PM  
doublethink*
 
2012-06-07 01:19:38 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14

WhyteRaven74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

And if you read the Bible, you'd be trying to help them instead of trying to put them down.

This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left. You're perfectly alright with people reproducing with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings. Nope, according to you it's just peachy when Mary Jane Rottencrotch from the trailer park or Shaniqua from the hood cranks out another unit for the state to care for and it's my duty to help them raise these kids with my money.

Also, I hate to break it to you people but contraception IS cheap and easily accessable. Any gas station or quickie mart sells condoms for a couple bucks per box. Evidently that's not cheap and accessable enough so we need the state to pay for that too..........right?

God forbid someone ask the poor, or anyone else for that matter, to accept a little responsibility and put just a little thought in when they engage in behavior which can result in life-altering consequenses. Oh wait, that's putting them down. How forgetful of me.


Oh, how ironic. A religious and social conservative taking the "personal responsibility" high road in regards to reproduction.

Why do you hate personal responsibility so much? Why won't you man up and admit that your advocation of terrorism and regressive social policy restricts people's ability to ensure that they do not reproduce when they are not capable of supporting a child? Why won't you do the moral thing and acknowledge that bombing and torching clinics, assassinating women's doctors, refusing to teach our children about contraception, defunding programs that provide women with contraception, and forcing women to be raped before getting procedures related to their reproductive health has severely diminished their capacity to prevent children they can't support?

This is exactly what's wrong with the right, they have no desire to take responsibilty for their actions. They want everyone else to pay for their ethical shortcomings.
 
2012-06-07 01:23:30 PM  
fark.upi.com

Poop's coming out.


Let's look at the maps, shall we?

Religious affiliation.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Welfare.

www.zerohedge.com

SHUT UP, REPUBLICAN BIBLE THUMPERS, YOU SCROUNGING COCKS.
 
2012-06-07 01:23:53 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Deucednuisance: thatboyoverthere: Which is odd seeing as Jesus said "I help those who help themselves".

Oh, I so look forward to your providing Chapter and Verse on that one, Sparky.

DAMNIT! I did some research it turns out that was a phrase that came about during the Ancient Greek Church. So I'm admitting I'm wrong on fark. Now the world will implode in the next three hours. Or the severs will crash because Drew got drunk again. One of the two.


The bible does actually have plenty of parables about hard work, the problem is the major stories always boil down to, "the bad man worked hard and failed, the good man worked hard but spent half his work day praying for divine intervention, and because god rigs the system so you cannot hope to ever win ever without his intervention, the good man was rescued by divine intervention."

At no point are you supposed to ask why reality is rigged so you CAN'T succeed without god constantly rescuing your ass, and at no point is it determined what the ratio of real-world work to squatting and praying is for optimal results.
 
2012-06-07 04:24:29 PM  

iq_in_binary: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Impasse: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

Just saying.

"Don't be fruitful and don't think about multiplying until you're at least middle-upper class." ~ Bob 6:14

WhyteRaven74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Maybe if poor people read the bible they wouldn't be having illegitimate children that they can't afford to raise.

And if you read the Bible, you'd be trying to help them instead of trying to put them down.

This right here is precisely what's wrong with the left. You're perfectly alright with people reproducing with no clue how they are going to care for their crotch droppings. Nope, according to you it's just peachy when Mary Jane Rottencrotch from the trailer park or Shaniqua from the hood cranks out another unit for the state to care for and it's my duty to help them raise these kids with my money.

Also, I hate to break it to you people but contraception IS cheap and easily accessable. Any gas station or quickie mart sells condoms for a couple bucks per box. Evidently that's not cheap and accessable enough so we need the state to pay for that too..........right?

God forbid someone ask the poor, or anyone else for that matter, to accept a little responsibility and put just a little thought in when they engage in behavior which can result in life-altering consequenses. Oh wait, that's putting them down. How forgetful of me.

Oh, how ironic. A religious and social conservative taking the "personal responsibility" high road in regards to reproduction.

Why do you hate personal responsibility so much? Why won't you man up and admit that your advocation of terrorism and regressive social policy restricts people's ability to ensure that they do not reproduce when they are not capable of supporting a child? Why won't you do the moral thing and acknowledge that bombing and torching clinics, assassinating women's doctors, refusing to teach ou ...


I advocate terrorism? Regressive social policy? All because I believe that people should be responsible with their reproductive functions and, I don't know, wear a farking condom when they get it on? Is it also too much to ask for these same people to spend a dollar or 2 to pay for those condoms without some government program to do it for them? I think not.

Funnier still was your weak effort to link the actions of whack jobs who bomb clinics and kill doctors to those who simply believe abortion is wrong.

You are a moron. I mean a real blithering idiot...........one that has a gift for hyperbole as well.
 
2012-06-07 04:39:14 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: I advocate terrorism? Regressive social policy? All because I believe that people should be responsible with their reproductive functions and, I don't know, wear a farking condom when they get it on? Is it also too much to ask for these same people to spend a dollar or 2 to pay for those condoms without some government program to do it for them? I think not.

Funnier still was your weak effort to link the actions of whack jobs who bomb clinics and kill doctors to those who simply believe abortion is wrong.

You are a moron. I mean a real blithering idiot...........one that has a gift for hyperbole as well.



Actually, they had a pretty decent point. There are a lot more options out there than "condoms," but guess who provides a lot of that? PLANNED PARENTHOOD, who is now the enemy du jour (week, month, whatevs) of the GOP. And all they want to do is teach abstinence, which is completely ineffective, but we can't teach anything else, because Jesus.

If you think mean ol' libruls are the only ones on welfare, you are not good at collecting information & viewing it objectively.
 
2012-06-07 07:29:39 PM  

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Is it also too much to ask for these same people to spend a dollar or 2 to pay for those condoms without some government program to do it for them? I think not.


What does that have to do with poor people having children? That was your original point of contention.
 
2012-06-07 07:41:04 PM  
I think he meant "because WE don't read the bible".
 
2012-06-08 08:57:45 AM  

WalkingCarpet: No.


...err, actually, I think the conclusion does pretty much validly follow from the specified premise. (It should be "comparatively little time in the Bible" rather than "nearly no time in the Bible", but that's a bagatelle.) However, in so far as the conclusion is wrong, the "axiom" is not so axiomatic for the reality we actually live in.

"No" is admittedly more succinct.
 
2012-06-08 12:15:47 PM  

abb3w: "No" is admittedly more succinct.


You talk funny ;)


/i like it
//using "bagatelle" from now on
///thx
 
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