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(Eurogamer)   Steam:Walmart::Origin:Macy's. Namely, one has everything you want at cheap prices while the other is slowly going out of business   (eurogamer.net) divider line 158
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2012-06-06 02:42:48 PM
Origin is an EA product that only sells the games that EA publishes, whereas Steam is a middleman that serves many companies including independent developers.
If Origin were to outperform Steam it would be a very ill omen.
 
2012-06-06 02:49:57 PM
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2012-06-06 03:10:38 PM
That's a terrible analogy. Wal*Mart convinces trusted brands to sell reduced quality goods at their stores.
 
2012-06-06 03:19:49 PM
DeMartini teased an alternative to Steam discounts will come to Origin, but stopped short of revealing what it is. "We don't believe in the drop-it-down, spring-it-up, 75 per cent off approach, but we've got something else that we do believe in that we'll be rolling out," he said.

I'm guessing he's referring to that plan where Origin locks you out of all the games you already own until you buy some new release that you didn't want. Or something.
 
2012-06-06 03:28:42 PM
I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.
 
2012-06-06 03:40:38 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.


Saving 75% off of retail is "saving only a few bucks?"

When I was young and stupid, I had to have the games RIGHT NOW NOW NOW.

Nowadays, I can handle the wait for the vast majority of games.

I love Steam's 75% off sales.
 
2012-06-06 03:41:46 PM
And I'm glad to hear that Origin is going out of business. Fark EA. Fark them right in the ass.
 
2012-06-06 03:45:32 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.


I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.
 
2012-06-06 04:02:26 PM

Linoleum_Blownapart: That's a terrible analogy. Wal*Mart convinces trusted brands to sell reduced quality goods at their stores.


I don't know, it seems EA has been doing a good job of destroying quality brands like Origin for a while now.
 
2012-06-06 04:29:36 PM

RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.


How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?
 
2012-06-06 04:30:30 PM
Off to register peopleofsteam.com

/how hard would it be to get people to upload stupid pics of themselves.
 
2012-06-06 04:31:35 PM

LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?


Sorry, I meant in the last year, not since January 1st.
 
2012-06-06 04:32:53 PM
I love steam sales. My brother's much bigger into them than I am, but I've still bought several games on sale that I wouldn't ever have bothered with otherwise. Some Bass Playing Guy is right. If it's a title I'm really waiting for and looking forward to, it's almost certainly getting bought quickly - Portal 2, for example. The sales are for getting people to impulse buy things they wouldn't have bought at all otherwise.
 
2012-06-06 04:33:04 PM

LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?


The only thing I can think of is his buddy decided to buy the best of the best pc hardware (which you really don't need to run the majority of games at fine levels) and file it under "Yah dude, I spent SOOOO much money on games!"

I'm also guessing he bought it from either Apple or Dell because even the best of the best when building you're own PC should only run you 2-3k.
 
2012-06-06 04:33:35 PM
FTFA:Origin is now the number two direct to consumer game service with over 11 million registered users, having launched a year ago. It is second only to Steam, which has some 40 million accounts.

First off, Origin mandates a membership for access to any online content, regardless of hardcopy or console/PC. That creates a falsely high number of "subscribers."

Second, what's the "number three direct to consumer game service"? Second place in a field of two isn't impressive.

Third, Origin sucks and needs to die as soon as possible. It's not a client for direct distribution of games, it's an overly-restrictive DRM method for EA. That was the intent when it was designed, and while they've dialed it back a tiny bit from its worst form, that's still the primary point of its existence.
 
2012-06-06 04:33:50 PM

RexTalionis: LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?

Sorry, I meant in the last year, not since January 1st.


How can someone spend over 250 a week on video games?
 
2012-06-06 04:33:57 PM

RexTalionis: LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?

Sorry, I meant in the last year, not since January 1st.


That's still a ridiculous amount, I think he's pulling you're leg.
 
2012-06-06 04:34:37 PM

Lando Lincoln: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.

Saving 75% off of retail is "saving only a few bucks?"

When I was young and stupid, I had to have the games RIGHT NOW NOW NOW.

Nowadays, I can handle the wait for the vast majority of games.

I love Steam's 75% off sales.


I have a love/hate relationship with Steam's fire sales. You just start browsing and add a little to cart here and there and then *BAM!!* You've got a shiat load of games that you haven't played. I still haven't played Borderlands, Left 4 Dead 2, finished Portal 2 or started Torchlight.

/ white people problems
// but they're SOOOO CHEAP!!!!
 
2012-06-06 04:36:13 PM

RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.


HOW THE F**K DO YOU......I.......wait, dude...what?
Does that include a top shelf PC gaming rig? Gold/Classic/Collector editions in 24k gold boxes? WTF?
 
2012-06-06 04:38:20 PM

albuquerquehalsey: RexTalionis: LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?

Sorry, I meant in the last year, not since January 1st.

How can someone spend over 250 a week on video games?


He's a massive collector and his law practice feeds his collection. He buys pretty much every Wii game except for the shovelware crap, as well as all the PS3 and Xbox 360 games and some of the PC titles. He also buys multiple copies of the same game - a collector's set plus a regular retail copy that he'd play. He's also got, by his last count 28+ consoles and several thousand games. He's also into vintage hardware and games.

That's how he spends that much a year.
 
2012-06-06 04:38:28 PM
Wouldn't this make more sense as the analogy?

Steam:Orgin::Walmart:Macy's
 
2012-06-06 04:39:04 PM
Yeah, Origin blows. If EA has any dreams about crushing Steam, they're going to have to actually invest in a system that works rather then what they have now. My wife wanted SWTOR a couple of months ago, and rather then drive 20 minutes to get a physical copy, we did everything through Origin. I figured that it had been months since the nightmare launch of Battlefield 3 and EA had gotten everything straightened out. We bought it, downloaded it and were then told that we had not bought it. Had to go through a 3rd party website that handled the CC transaction that itself required a second website from a different company that was owned by the 3rd party only to be told that the transaction had already been charged to our card. Had to then chat with an Origin representative who took 15 minutes or so to unlock the game so that it could be played.

Had I done this on Steam, I would have paid for and downloaded the game, installed it, and then started playing. The biggest hassle would have been installing Direct X for the 10th time.
 
2012-06-06 04:42:07 PM
Want to know the ironic part? The guy is so busy with work that he doesn't have much time for games.
 
2012-06-06 04:43:10 PM
Steam just has a bigger library, a better interface, and far more publishers/developers. If I were to pick one source for my PC gaming needs (and I would like to; less online credentials to forget/expose), it's Steam by a country mile over Origin. And the Steam sales are ridiculous, in an epically good way, not to mention they usually lead to people like me spending money on games that I normally would not have, simply because they are part of a package deal. EA was dumb to take their stuff off Steam.

Not to mention it's VALVe vs EA. I try and walk the road less evil.
 
2012-06-06 04:43:19 PM
Steam:Jesus::Origin:Satan
 
2012-06-06 04:43:24 PM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: The biggest hassle would have been installing Direct X for the 10th time.


That always confuses the hell out of me. Why does Steam keep doing that?
 
2012-06-06 04:44:28 PM

Skanque: Wouldn't this make more sense as the analogy?

Steam:Orgin::Walmart:Macy's


That's what I was thinking
 
2012-06-06 04:44:35 PM
Doesnt steam suck though? I remember it used to suck so bad when it first came out that I deleted it
 
2012-06-06 04:45:04 PM
How about c) none of the above.
 
2012-06-06 04:46:44 PM

Felgraf: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: The biggest hassle would have been installing Direct X for the 10th time.

That always confuses the hell out of me. Why does Steam keep doing that?


This is why.
 
2012-06-06 04:48:17 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.


You don't know a lot of gamers, then. I have 14 games on my Wish list on steam, iirc, waiting for the next sale. I know a LOT of people who might buy one or two new games a year, but will drop $300 bucks during the X-Mas and other sales.

In addition to that, some people also like to wait for all patches and DLC to come out.

And as for Origin... It's a damn virus. I've pre-ordered every Bioware game except the Sonic one. But I haven't gotten ME3 yet because, well, fark Origin and fark EA and fark their spyware.
 
2012-06-06 04:48:24 PM
I don't mind Origin so much anymore. I much prefer Steam and will never buy anything through Origin, but the platform itself is relatively unobtrusive and you can run it through Steam without hassle (so you can get the Steam overlay/chat while running Origin games).
 
2012-06-06 04:48:51 PM

alwaysjaded: Lando Lincoln: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.

Saving 75% off of retail is "saving only a few bucks?"

When I was young and stupid, I had to have the games RIGHT NOW NOW NOW.

Nowadays, I can handle the wait for the vast majority of games.

I love Steam's 75% off sales.

I have a love/hate relationship with Steam's fire sales. You just start browsing and add a little to cart here and there and then *BAM!!* You've got a shiat load of games that you haven't played. I still haven't played Borderlands, Left 4 Dead 2, finished Portal 2 or started Torchlight.

/ white people problems
// but they're SOOOO CHEAP!!!!


Yeah, totally. That's how I wind up with the "Commander Keen: Complete Pack", Rogue Warrior, and Call of Cthulu on my game list.

/not white, though, so upwardly-mobile middle class people problems.
//Might actually play Call of Cthulu one of these days, just to see what's up.
 
2012-06-06 04:49:13 PM
The naming convention over at CPAN really needs some guidelines, this is getting ridiculous.
 
2012-06-06 04:49:42 PM

Last Man on Earth: FTFA:Origin is now the number two direct to consumer game service with over 11 million registered users, having launched a year ago. It is second only to Steam, which has some 40 million accounts.

First off, Origin mandates a membership for access to any online content, regardless of hardcopy or console/PC. That creates a falsely high number of "subscribers."


Actually, I don't think they're inflating the numbers here. With Mass Effect 3, Battlefield 3, and Star Wars: The Old Republic all requiring Origin, I can see 11 million people who have registered specifically on Origin, rather than EA Online like all the console games shunt you off to.

Second, what's the "number three direct to consumer game service"? Second place in a field of two isn't impressive.

There's also Impulse, GamersGate, Gamefly (who bought out Direct2Drive), Green Man Gaming, GetGamesGo, GOG.com, and plenty of others...

In this area, I do think they are spinning the numbers. I bet GamersGate and Impulse (and maybe even GOG.com) get far more purchases (rather than just account registrations) than Origin.

Third, Origin sucks and needs to die as soon as possible. It's not a client for direct distribution of games, it's an overly-restrictive DRM method for EA. That was the intent when it was designed, and while they've dialed it back a tiny bit from its worst form, that's still the primary point of its existence.

I don't think it's too terrible as it stands. Barring, of course, some of the shenanigans going on with EA forum bans. I'd rather deal with Origin than disc checks.
 
2012-06-06 04:50:43 PM

bVork: There's also Impulse, GamersGate, Gamefly (who bought out Direct2Drive), Green Man Gaming, GetGamesGo, GOG.com, and plenty of others...


Don't forget Amazon itself and Gamespot.
 
2012-06-06 04:51:19 PM

RexTalionis: bVork: There's also Impulse, GamersGate, Gamefly (who bought out Direct2Drive), Green Man Gaming, GetGamesGo, GOG.com, and plenty of others...

Don't forget Amazon itself and Gamespot.


Gamestop, rather.
 
2012-06-06 04:51:53 PM

alwaysjaded: Lando Lincoln: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.

Saving 75% off of retail is "saving only a few bucks?"

When I was young and stupid, I had to have the games RIGHT NOW NOW NOW.

Nowadays, I can handle the wait for the vast majority of games.

I love Steam's 75% off sales.

I have a love/hate relationship with Steam's fire sales. You just start browsing and add a little to cart here and there and then *BAM!!* You've got a shiat load of games that you haven't played. I still haven't played Borderlands, Left 4 Dead 2, finished Portal 2 or started Torchlight.

/ white people problems
// but they're SOOOO CHEAP!!!!


Yeah, I tried to ban myself from buying any more Steam games when I realized how many were in my account that I've never played.

So I started to play one of them, Fallout: New Vegas.

Of course, I then had to go and buy all the DLCs for it after I got hooked...
 
2012-06-06 04:56:16 PM
I just think it cheapens your intellectual property.

Lulz. Well you just keep going on thinking that while PC gaming continues to ignore your service en masse.

The game makers work incredibly hard to make this intellectual property, and we're not trying to be Target. We're trying to be Nordstrom.

Here's a hint: If you're boss is comparing video games to knit tops and cargo shorts, maybe he's not the right guy for the job.
 
2012-06-06 04:57:21 PM

RexTalionis: albuquerquehalsey: RexTalionis: LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?

Sorry, I meant in the last year, not since January 1st.

How can someone spend over 250 a week on video games?

He's a massive collector and his law practice feeds his collection. He buys pretty much every Wii game except for the shovelware crap, as well as all the PS3 and Xbox 360 games and some of the PC titles. He also buys multiple copies of the same game - a collector's set plus a regular retail copy that he'd play. He's also got, by his last count 28+ consoles and several thousand games. He's also into vintage hardware and games.

That's how he spends that much a year.


I'm torn between admiration and horror. I think horror is winning.
 
2012-06-06 05:00:21 PM

Unoriginal_Username: Off to register peopleofsteam.com

/how hard would it be to get people to upload stupid pics of themselves.


I'm thinking a quote database would work better.
 
2012-06-06 05:01:55 PM

gamergirl23: I'm torn between admiration and horror. I think horror is winning.


Hey, you're the gamergirl, you should find this awesome.
 
2012-06-06 05:02:06 PM
Lando Lincoln: When I was young and stupid, I had to have the games RIGHT NOW NOW NOW.

When I was young and poor, I wanted to have games right NOW NOW NOW, but couldn't.

Now I'm older, and have a job, and you know what, fark it, I'm an adult, if I want it on day one I'll buy it on day one.

This doesn't mean that I'm out there buying any game that comes out at full price, only the ones I think are worth it. Some games don't fit that criteria, so I wait for the price to drop down to what I think the game is worth.

Which is why this whole industry BS about used games and first sale DLC kinda ticks me off. You want me to pay full price for a game? Make a farking better game.
 
2012-06-06 05:03:23 PM

RexTalionis: bVork: There's also Impulse, GamersGate, Gamefly (who bought out Direct2Drive), Green Man Gaming, GetGamesGo, GOG.com, and plenty of others...

Don't forget Amazon itself and Gamespot.


Oh, okay. They meant something different than I thought, then. I was under the impression that they were specifically referring to a client program for game purchase, download, and management, rather than simply any direct-download service. My mistake, I stand corrected.

bVork: In this area, I do think they are spinning the numbers. I bet GamersGate and Impulse (and maybe even GOG.com) get far more purchases (rather than just account registrations) than Origin.


Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my first point, not Origin vs. EA Online. Sorry if I phrased that poorly. With Steam, if you've never purchased a game directly from the service, you might never have an account. With Origin, if you've ever so much as played Sims 2/3/Medieval, Mass Effect 3, TOR, or any other EA game from the past several years, you're strong-armed into an account, whether you bought it directly off Origin or not. That makes it sound like a more successful service by accounts than it probably is in dollar amounts.
 
2012-06-06 05:05:09 PM

jayhawk88: Here's a hint: If you're boss is comparing video games to knit tops and cargo shorts, maybe he's not the right guy for the job.


Never mind the fact that when you shop at a department store, you're buying a different quality of product and/or shopping experience. I'm not going to pay nordstrom prices to buy walmart pants from a warehouse with TSA checkpoints.
 
2012-06-06 05:08:54 PM

gamergirl23: I'm torn between admiration and horror. I think horror is winning.


I don't entirely disagree, but if he has a job that allows him to afford it, then whatever. There are people who make tons of money who use it to buy a bigger house or a new car or something, as well. Seems to me that shelling out that money on games is no less valid than any other use of his play money.
 
2012-06-06 05:10:08 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.


I can think of a few games where I do - generally because it's also more 'I'll wait for a few DLC and the GOTY bundle to be on sale'.
Of course by that time the hype dies down, I buy the game and then play it for like 30 minutes :(

Dragon Age and Skyrim though I both purchased at launch (DA was actually the reason I started using Steam... D2D for some reason wasn't accepting my CC and I didn't want to go to a store).
 
2012-06-06 05:11:06 PM
per cent (¢) ≠ percent (%)
 
2012-06-06 05:16:54 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing. People who are really interested in a game will shell out the money when the game is released. Steam sales draw in people who aren't as interested or want to try something without paying fully price (because they're not sure if they like it or not).

I can't think of a single case were there was game I really wanted to play that I waited to save a few bucks on.


I skipped Mass Effect when it came out, but when Mass Effect 1 was on sale for like $5 on Steam (just before ME2 came out) I gave it a try and loved it. I also pirated ME2, and then I then bought ME2 and ME3 both for full price. (ME2 shortly after release and ME3 I pre-ordered)

I buy many games at full price, but they have to be games I really want. If I'm not sure about it then I'll skip it and possibly buy it later on a Steam sale (meanwhile usually paying full price in the meantime for other games I know I want, like Skyrim) or pirate it. If I like a game I'll either purchase a legit copy (if I pirated it) or I'll buy a future game at full price when it's released (usually preorder) if I liked the last thing I got from them on sale.

But I'm a working man... my wages have been falling for decades. I don't just have money to blow on every new release that comes out at full price. Motherfarkers, I got BILLS TO PAY! I only have time to play so many games a year, but I will definitely pay for the ones worth it. I just don't have enough money to leave that up to chance.

And Origin..... you guys were greedy farkers, and that's why that shiat is not working. I was hoping to preorder ME3 through Steam, but I preordered my ME3 at full price through Origin because you biatches wanted to cut Valve out... So I gave you a chance but you farked me with the day 1 DLC, Then the preorder extras I was supposed to get I didn't, and I needed to contact your customer service and get the codes a day or two later. After all that the only games you have on Origin are your OWN games, so after that bullshiat day 1 DLC thing - and the bullshiat with you setting up the multiplayer to milk me for more cash - I wasn't really in the mood to give you money for some game I'm not interested in.

So EA: put your shiat back on Steam and STFU.
 
2012-06-06 05:19:37 PM

MuonNeutrino: I love steam sales. My brother's much bigger into them than I am, but I've still bought several games on sale that I wouldn't ever have bothered with otherwise. Some Bass Playing Guy is right. If it's a title I'm really waiting for and looking forward to, it's almost certainly getting bought quickly - Portal 2, for example. The sales are for getting people to impulse buy things they wouldn't have bought at all otherwise.


Acutally, I have, because of Steam Sales, been able to buy games that I have been saving up for far quicker than I would have had I not caught the sale. It's not that I wouldn't have bought them at the higher price, It's that I would have had to wait longer to buy. I have bought two of the Assassin's Creed series this way, and I bought the first on sale as well as a curiosity buy. That's another bonus: if part of a series goes on sale, people like me will buy it out of curiosity, and may subsequently buy the other games when they can.

Other games I bought on sale that I was already saving up for:
Alan Wake
Bioshock 2
Borderlands (and some of the DLC)
Fallout 3
Recettear
Resident Evil 5
Torchlight
Dragon Age: Origins

I was already saving up for these games. I got them faster because of Steam's sales. Admittedly, there are some in my list that were impulse buys (the original Assassin's Creed, for example), but I have yet to regret a single sale purchase. Except maybe The Ball, but that was a HumbleBundle purchase anyway.

gamergirl23: RexTalionis: albuquerquehalsey: RexTalionis: LazarusLong42: RexTalionis: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'm not buying the whole "gamers will wait for a game to be cheap" thing.

I got a buddy who spent $15,000 on video games this year thus far, so I've seen gamers not being cheap first hand.

How can someone spend over 500 a week on video games?

Sorry, I meant in the last year, not since January 1st.

How can someone spend over 250 a week on video games?

He's a massive collector and his law practice feeds his collection. He buys pretty much every Wii game except for the shovelware crap, as well as all the PS3 and Xbox 360 games and some of the PC titles. He also buys multiple copies of the same game - a collector's set plus a regular retail copy that he'd play. He's also got, by his last count 28+ consoles and several thousand games. He's also into vintage hardware and games.

That's how he spends that much a year.

I'm torn between admiration and horror. I think horror is winning.


Admiration and a bit of jealousy for me. That is pretty farking scary, though...
 
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