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(Food and Wine)   Even beer snobs can be annoyed by the aged beer snobs. "The older beer had a bready, yeasty character, with an almost umami richness to it. This one I would pair with eel, or foie gras"   (foodandwine.com) divider line 189
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2012-06-06 02:21:56 PM
If you use the phrase "almost umami" in your food/drink review, I don't care who you are. You need a killin'.
 
2012-06-06 02:42:56 PM
As a person who has a Vinotemp 28 dedicated to 22oz "small batch" beers, I concur.
 
2012-06-06 02:43:58 PM
I'm a home brewer. I love my local beers too.

But damn! Umami? I think using that in a beer review means you must spend eternity drinking Natty Lite.
 
2012-06-06 02:45:25 PM
Translation: It's gone skunky.
 
2012-06-06 02:45:41 PM
fark shiatdicks that say "umami" about everything. Yes, umami, umami, umami. I also watch Food Network and have also seen the Kikkoman commercials.
 
2012-06-06 02:46:31 PM
Ah thinks this'n's cheap and ud getcha drunk good-n-fast!
 
2012-06-06 02:47:01 PM
um, pretty much anyone who's into beer has a stash of stuff "getting better" (or worse in some cases!). is it really that foreign an idea to you subby that the flavor of beer changes with age?
 
2012-06-06 02:47:40 PM
Oh, my good lord WHY.

STAY AWAY FROM MY LITE BEER AND SAY NOTHING ABOUT IT YOU PETULANT INGRATES.

Go back to the wine cellars from whence you came and NEVER EVER RETURN.
 
2012-06-06 02:48:17 PM
sp6.fotolog.com
 
2012-06-06 02:48:18 PM
I only pair my finest beers while orally satisfying douchebag subby's Mom.

/the yeast is heady, but fantastic!
 
2012-06-06 02:48:54 PM
"The older beer had a bready, yeasty character, with an almost umami richness to it. This one I would pair with eel, or foie gras"
Or not.....Skunky Ass
t3.gstatic.com
/oblig
 
2012-06-06 02:49:18 PM
Take your yeasty elswhere, duck torturer!
 
2012-06-06 02:49:56 PM

jayhawk88: Translation: It's gone skunky.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2012-06-06 02:50:20 PM
maybe someday I will have enough money to by alcohol and not drink it for years....or months, or weeks, or even days.

maybe.
 
2012-06-06 02:50:53 PM
Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?
 
2012-06-06 02:50:58 PM
Oh, hai.

i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-06 02:51:04 PM

doublesecretprobation: um, pretty much anyone who's into beer has a stash of stuff "getting better" (or worse in some cases!). is it really that foreign an idea to you subby that the flavor of beer changes with age?


This, and yeah, with my luck they usually turn out worse.

jayhawk88: Translation: It's gone skunky.


I guess you have aged your beer in clear bottles on the rooftop.
 
2012-06-06 02:51:46 PM
This beer tastes like 'umama. Kinda salty with a salmon aftertaste.
 
2012-06-06 02:52:33 PM

eas81: Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?


Every one of those Bigfoot ales were fine. I kept them constantly refrigerated.
Sadly, they are all gone now.
Buuurp.
 
2012-06-06 02:53:55 PM
I still have two bottles left from a batch of Barleywine that I made back in 2005. The last time I opened one it was pretty good, but as impressive as the one before that (about 8 months before). I imagine that if I graphed the flavor over time, it would be somewhat sinusoidal. Not surprising to me, but interesting nonetheless.

I've also got a couple bottles of my first ever batch from 2003 that was mediocre at best, hoping it will turn out to be amazing some day. I kind of doubt it, though.

/oh, and "umami"? Really?
 
2012-06-06 02:54:27 PM

meat0918: I'm a home brewer. I love my local beers too.

But damn! Umami? I think using that in a beer review means you must spend eternity drinking Natty Lite Boh.

 
2012-06-06 02:54:32 PM

eas81: Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?


It won't make you sick from bacteria or something, but the alcohol can turn to vinegar if it gets infected.

Drinking vinegar straight has made me sick before. I think someone called it "Kombucha" though.
 
2012-06-06 02:54:45 PM
It's nothing that drinking some good whiskey can't solve
 
2012-06-06 02:56:13 PM

violentsalvation: doublesecretprobation: um, pretty much anyone who's into beer has a stash of stuff "getting better" (or worse in some cases!). is it really that foreign an idea to you subby that the flavor of beer changes with age?

This, and yeah, with my luck they usually turn out worse.

jayhawk88: Translation: It's gone skunky.

I guess you have aged your beer in clear bottles on the rooftop.


It's called Corona.
 
2012-06-06 02:56:17 PM
Eel ale: someone, somewhere, will brew such a named monster.
 
2012-06-06 02:56:45 PM
There is a huge difference between a beer snob and someone who merely enjoys good beer. I don't drink pilsners like Miller or Coors, simply because I do not like the taste, not the perceived notions associated with cheap pilsner drinkers. I am also fairly broke, white, and have bad taste in many things, but one thing I do differ in is the quality and flavor I expect in my beer. Bud/Miller/Coors, in my opinion, are nasty, misrepresentations of what beer should be. Thick stouts, hop bomb IPAs, smooth porters, this is beer. It's like putting some freezer burned chicken McNuggets that have sat out for awhile next to some exotic gourmet chef prepared chicken cuisine. There is nothing wrong with eating freezer burned chicken nuggets, certainly, but after tasting the best that there is to offer, I can't really go back when the store up the street has gourmet chicken cuisine for $1 more.
 
2012-06-06 03:00:19 PM
a pretty revolutionary idea in the beer world.

No. No, it's not. People have been aging beer for a while. See the Trappist ales.
 
2012-06-06 03:01:33 PM

chachi88: jayhawk88: Translation: It's gone skunky.

My thoughts exactly.



Beer goes skunky when iso-alpha-acids degrade from a photodegradation reaction that occurs from exposure to UV light in the presence of the catalyst riboflavin. This does not happen just from age.

The umami/brothy character is caused by autolysis of yeast cells as they die. They break open and release all sorts of funky vegemite/marmite-like aromas. Beer is not supposed to taste like this.


meat0918: eas81: Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?

It won't make you sick from bacteria or something, but the alcohol can turn to vinegar if it gets infected.

Drinking vinegar straight has made me sick before. I think someone called it "Kombucha" though.


Alcohol only turns to vinegar when infected by acetobacter in an aerobic environment. Not all beer will sour with acetic, most will sour with lactic via an anaerobic infection by a lactic acid bacteria.
 
2012-06-06 03:02:54 PM
Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?
 
2012-06-06 03:04:52 PM
Embden.Meyerhof

Beer goes skunky when iso-alpha-acids degrade from a photodegradation reaction that occurs from exposure to UV light in the presence of the catalyst riboflavin. This does not happen just from age.

The umami/brothy character is caused by autolysis of yeast cells as they die. They break open and release all sorts of funky vegemite/marmite-like aromas. Beer is not supposed to taste like this.

Alcohol only turns to vinegar when infected by acetobacter in an aerobic environment. Not all beer will sour with acetic, most will sour with lactic via an anaerobic infection by a lactic acid bacteria.


SCIENCE!

/if God wanted us to drink beer we would have stomachs
 
2012-06-06 03:05:20 PM

eas81: Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?



Yeah there are some good aged beers. Personally I've had some "Vertical Epic" yearly editions by Stone and also another aged Stone variety called Old Guardian (not a Stone fanboy). They were good beer; I probably wouldnt get the Vertical Epics again simply because they werent my cup of tea, but they were solid. The Old Guardian on the other hand is phenomenal whether aged or fresh. Also I believe there are some beer varieties like Lambics that actually need to be aged a bit, IIRC.
 
2012-06-06 03:06:11 PM

kronicfeld: Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?


Basically. Except Guinness is technically a meal. A Guinness and a bratwurst fill me up and make me feel bloaty for 2 days. Ugh.
 
2012-06-06 03:06:25 PM

Embden.Meyerhof: Alcohol only turns to vinegar when infected by acetobacter in an aerobic environment. Not all beer will sour with acetic, most will sour with lactic via an anaerobic infection by a lactic acid bacteria.


Thank you. I got my bacteria mixed up.

//I stand by my "Kombucha is nasty" though
 
2012-06-06 03:06:52 PM

eas81: Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?


That will depend. Some stronger bottle conditioned ales age pretty well, such as "Westvleteren 12" for example. If it's a pasteurized pale lager, then there isn't much point to "aging" it. When there is live yeast in the bottle, quite a few changes happen over time, most of it for the better - depending on your taste, of course. If there is any bacteria in the bottle, there is potential for it to go sour and attenuate further than the primary yeast has.
 
2012-06-06 03:09:17 PM

kronicfeld: Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?



This will make me sound like a snob, but Guinness draft isn't all that spectacular. Their stout is solid though. Also, Heineken is another "premium" beer that sucks. Once you look outside the pilsner and whatever-the-fuhk-Heineken is spectrum there is a huge array of tasty beers to explore. Shame if all you ever got around to was the domestic shiat.
 
2012-06-06 03:11:16 PM
Wake me when they start exporting McEwan's scotch ale again.
 
2012-06-06 03:13:41 PM
I'm glad guys that write like this aren't a big population of BA. I wouldn't be able to read that site anymore.

And god damn, one of the reasons I like beer over wine is because you can buy a world class 750 mL or 22 oz bomber of beer for $15 or $20. And get a damn fine one for $6/6pack. Let's keep it that way.
 
2012-06-06 03:14:15 PM

Embden.Meyerhof: chachi88: jayhawk88: Translation: It's gone skunky.

My thoughts exactly.


Beer goes skunky when iso-alpha-acids degrade from a photodegradation reaction that occurs from exposure to UV light in the presence of the catalyst riboflavin. This does not happen just from age.

The umami/brothy character is caused by autolysis of yeast cells as they die. They break open and release all sorts of funky vegemite/marmite-like aromas. Beer is not supposed to taste like this.


meat0918: eas81: Question here no trolling. Is there actually a beer that you would want to hold on to for more then a few months? From my understanding just like milk beer goes sour as well and can make you sick?

It won't make you sick from bacteria or something, but the alcohol can turn to vinegar if it gets infected.

Drinking vinegar straight has made me sick before. I think someone called it "Kombucha" though.

Alcohol only turns to vinegar when infected by acetobacter in an aerobic environment. Not all beer will sour with acetic, most will sour with lactic via an anaerobic infection by a lactic acid bacteria.


I get the impression I would enjoy having a beer with you.
 
2012-06-06 03:14:38 PM
I have noticed Mr. Beer brews get better with age.
 
2012-06-06 03:16:53 PM

Pocket Ninja: If you use the phrase "almost umami" in your food/drink review, I don't care who you are. You need a killin'.


A taint-smash at the very least.
 
2012-06-06 03:19:51 PM

kronicfeld: Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?


No.
 
2012-06-06 03:21:29 PM

kronicfeld: Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?


Guinness used to be ok..
 
2012-06-06 03:24:25 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: kronicfeld: Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?

Basically. Except Guinness is technically a meal. A Guinness and a bratwurst fill me up and make me feel bloaty for 2 days. Ugh.


I don't understand why people keep saying this, except possibly that their perceptions are being influenced by the color. Bottled Guinness has the same number of calories as Heinekin, Michelob or Budweiser. Draught Guinness has less (approx . 125 vs. 150).

I can drink Guinness all day long. It's my lawnmower beer.
 
2012-06-06 03:25:52 PM

WarszawaScream: Oh, my good lord WHY.

STAY AWAY FROM MY LITE BEER AND SAY NOTHING ABOUT IT YOU PETULANT INGRATES.

Go back to the wine cellars from whence you came and NEVER EVER RETURN.


There's more than two levels of beer drinkers.

There's the shiat beer drinkers that care more about calories or price than about taste.

There's the craft beer drinkers that care more about taste than calories or price.

Then there's the beer snobs that like to use phrases like, "a dark forest of oak" to describe how their beer tastes.
 
2012-06-06 03:27:25 PM
I got some old cans of Billy Beer , Old Style Cubs Fan cans and 1975 World Series Hudepohl . Lets drinkem !
 
2012-06-06 03:28:10 PM

Maud Dib: Oh, hai.

[i865.photobucket.com image 640x380]


If I was at home, I would take a pic of my last 1998 ;)

In fact... it has an interesting story

I had been holding on to a bottle of '96 and '98 for a few years. A long time ago, in the far away times, the brewery was sharing space with a distribution company, yes, that was very convient. well, one day they had to drop a bunch of Heavy Seas that had gone out of date so they dropped the pallet on the floor and told everybody to enjoy.
So I brought home a couple of cases of the stuff.

my sainted bride got into them and one of her all nighters with them. Normally, Haveing a wife who loves big strong funky beers is a blessing other times it's a curse, like say, around 4am, hammered and not paying attention to the bottles she was grabbing.
one of them happened to be my very last bottle of '98.

well, mind you, words were exchanged the following morning when I found out what happened.

Left the house to go to work with the words "FIX IT!"

I was a little angry.

bless her heart though... she contacted sierra nevada and admidted to them her crimes, her repentence and prayed for their mercy.

they had a laugh at her expence and they said they would see what they could do.

A week later I got a package from them... That package contained two new bottles of 1998 from their style library,

granted, they may very well have just put a 98 cap on a current year bottle, but it was the thought and effort that counts. And I guard it very jealously, and one of these days, I might actually get around to drinking it,
it hasn't snow globed up yet, so I assume it's still good. one day I'll find out. maybe in two years when I turn 40.

Here at this brewery we make a barley wine that has a good strong hopping and clocks in at around 15%abv.

I always look forward to bottling day for that stuff, because that means I can finally drink the previous years batch.

We tell folks that it will lay down well for up to four years, but I've had very agreeable product 6 years after bottling.
 
2012-06-06 03:28:56 PM

D_Evans45: This will make me sound like a snob, but Guinness draft isn't all that spectacular. Their stout is solid though. Also, Heineken is another "premium" beer that sucks. Once you look outside the pilsner and whatever-the-fuhk-Heineken is spectrum there is a huge array of tasty beers to explore. Shame if all you ever got around to was the domestic shiat.


Eh, but if you like a domestic pilsner, so be it. Drink what you like, not what other people think you should like.
 
2012-06-06 03:31:07 PM

CheekyMonkey: ecmoRandomNumbers: kronicfeld: Is this the thread where people come in to bash anyone who has ever consumed a Bud, Miller, Coors or Corona product and condescend to us with their refined opinion that Guinness is the pinnacle of achievement in the brewing of beer?

Basically. Except Guinness is technically a meal. A Guinness and a bratwurst fill me up and make me feel bloaty for 2 days. Ugh.

I don't understand why people keep saying this, except possibly that their perceptions are being influenced by the color. Bottled Guinness has the same number of calories as Heinekin, Michelob or Budweiser. Draught Guinness has less (approx . 125 vs. 150).

I can drink Guinness all day long. It's my lawnmower beer.


True that it is not that high in calories but that does not change the fact that it makes me bloated and shiat mud the day after. Maybe I would not mind if my office stocked something absorbent for TP instead of that wax paper stuff.
If Guinness is all there is to drink, sure I will have one and I will just not think about the next day. If I have a choice, there are tons of better stouts to drink that seem to leave less of an impact.
 
2012-06-06 03:31:23 PM
Serious question for homebrewers. About how long does it take to brew up a batch of beer? I'm sure that there are a lot of factors (the kind of taste you're going for, balance of different ingredients, pilsner vs ale vs bock, etc), but hypothetically, if a friend told me this morning that he just got done brewing a new batch and I'd get to taste it when it was ready, when could I expect to taste it? 1-2 days? 6-8 weeks?
 
2012-06-06 03:36:01 PM
shiat like this is why I gave up on craft beer and went back to High Life.
 
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