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2012-06-06 11:40:25 AM
even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid
 
2012-06-06 11:48:46 AM
Yep, a lowly regional director for the NE sure does speak on behalf of the whole EPA...

Still, coal country would be much better off if they had bargained with regulators to slowly implement reforms and new standards over time to spread out the cost. Instead, they stonewalled it all for 30+ years, and now that they're out of cards to play, they're all up a shiat creek.

Even now, they refuse to advocate for making the transition from coal to wind, solar or nuclear...they're still hanging on to their coal like its gold.
 
2012-06-06 11:50:53 AM
Tough shiat.
 
2012-06-06 12:01:54 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Still, coal country would be much better off if they had bargained with regulators to slowly implement reforms and new standards over time to spread out the cost. Instead, they stonewalled it all for 30+ years, and now that they're out of cards to play, they're all up a shiat creek.


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"I would like to wholeheartedly endorse this product, event or idea."


Also, welcome to Globalization.
 
2012-06-06 12:07:03 PM
Think of how many jobs were lost when Nazism ended.

/Some jobs should not exist anymore.
 
2012-06-06 12:10:04 PM
Sounds like a bunch of dooty to me.

www.joblo.com
 
2012-06-06 12:27:09 PM

sweetmelissa31: Think of how many jobs were lost when Nazism ended.

/Some jobs should not exist anymore.


They were just victims of JOB KILLING concentration camp regulations.
 
2012-06-06 12:35:22 PM

Jackson Herring: They were just victims of JOB KILLING concentration camp regulations.


Thanks a lot, PROFESSOR George Marshall.
 
2012-06-06 12:36:46 PM

Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid


Yes, but people will be more interested in their short-term needs than the long-term effects on the environment. Sometimes, you gotta put food on the table.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even now, they refuse to advocate for making the transition from coal to wind, solar or nuclear...they're still hanging on to their coal like its gold.


Would renewable energy make up for all the jobs lost from killing coal? I really don't know.
 
2012-06-06 12:59:09 PM

xanadian: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

Yes, but people will be more interested in their short-term needs than the long-term effects on the environment. Sometimes, you gotta put food on the table.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even now, they refuse to advocate for making the transition from coal to wind, solar or nuclear...they're still hanging on to their coal like its gold.

Would renewable energy make up for all the jobs lost from killing coal? I really don't know.


Only if we create the alternate energy tech here. Which we won't. Because america loves shiatting where they eat.
 
2012-06-06 01:01:26 PM
Yeah, it's called "arriving in the 21st Century."
 
2012-06-06 01:10:13 PM

sweetmelissa31: Thanks a lot, PROFESSOR George Marshall.


ahh hahahah yessssss
 
2012-06-06 01:21:00 PM
Coal mining and burning is a dirty and dangerous business. The less coal we mine and burn, the better.

Natural gas far from perfect, but its better than coal.
 
2012-06-06 01:25:36 PM

Darth_Lukecash: xanadian: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

Yes, but people will be more interested in their short-term needs than the long-term effects on the environment. Sometimes, you gotta put food on the table.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even now, they refuse to advocate for making the transition from coal to wind, solar or nuclear...they're still hanging on to their coal like its gold.

Would renewable energy make up for all the jobs lost from killing coal? I really don't know.

Only if we create the alternate energy tech here. Which we won't. Because america loves shiatting where they eat.


Exactly. The same power conglomerates would hire H1Bs and other temp labor to do the work of installing hardware and software from China while allowing the old coal employees to wallow in the welfare line, all so they can maximize up front profits.
 
2012-06-06 01:30:53 PM
hating coal is retarded; poor people should be allowed connections to electricity as well.


/the people driving hybrids are the same that can afford $4+ dollar fuel.
 
2012-06-06 01:31:47 PM
Right. It's like when we close military bases due to tax cuts.
 
2012-06-06 01:35:44 PM

soakitincider: hating coal is retarded; poor people should be allowed connections to electricity as well.


j.wigflip.com
 
2012-06-06 01:36:24 PM
Even worse is coal flavored ice cream.
 
2012-06-06 01:40:12 PM

sweetmelissa31: Even worse is coal flavored ice cream.


still better than sherbet
 
2012-06-06 01:45:04 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Even worse is coal flavored ice cream.

still better than sherbet


Fruit ice cream: invented by a chef without Down Syndrome.
 
2012-06-06 01:54:10 PM

soakitincider: hating defending coal is retarded;


FTFY
 
2012-06-06 01:56:16 PM
Hooray for Curt Spaulding,
The African explorer,
Three cheers for Curt Spaulding,
Hooray, hooray, hooray!

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2012-06-06 01:58:21 PM

Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid


But why do Democrats continue to kill energy sources when there are no viable replacements?
 
2012-06-06 01:58:55 PM
With NG costing roughly 60% of coal per megawatt and falling, I don't see a bright future for coal in the US anyway.

Besides, they closed the buggy whip factory too. Move to the Bakken. They're paying more in salary for 1 year than you'll make in 5 years in WV.
 
2012-06-06 02:24:26 PM

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Even worse is coal flavored ice cream.

still better than sherbet

Fruit ice cream: invented by a chef without Down Syndrome.


this tab is really boring wow
 
2012-06-06 02:27:03 PM

lordaction: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

But why do Democrats continue to kill energy sources when there are no viable replacements?


"Black & Veatch, an Overland Park engineering and consulting firm that regularly surveys the industry, a year ago found that 82 percent of utility executives responding said that coal had a future when "fiscal realities were fully considered." But in this year's report, that number fell to 58 percent.

"The percentage of respondents who believe there is a future for coal in the United States has dropped significantly," the report concluded."


Everything you post on this site, in every thread you post it in, is pure idiocy. I have never, not once, seen you post a single thing that is honest and intelligent. Ever.
 
2012-06-06 02:47:49 PM

Splinshints: lordaction: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

But why do Democrats continue to kill energy sources when there are no viable replacements?

"Black & Veatch, an Overland Park engineering and consulting firm that regularly surveys the industry, a year ago found that 82 percent of utility executives responding said that coal had a future when "fiscal realities were fully considered." But in this year's report, that number fell to 58 percent.

"The percentage of respondents who believe there is a future for coal in the United States has dropped significantly," the report concluded."

Everything you post on this site, in every thread you post it in, is pure idiocy. I have never, not once, seen you post a single thing that is honest and intelligent. Ever.


So it ought to easy for you to say what the alternative is then?
 
2012-06-06 02:47:50 PM
If not coal, then nuclear or natural gas at this point, but nuclear is nimby'd and natural gas doesn't make anyone big bucks. So.... cold fusion?
 
2012-06-06 02:54:17 PM

lordaction: Splinshints: lordaction: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

But why do Democrats continue to kill energy sources when there are no viable replacements?

"Black & Veatch, an Overland Park engineering and consulting firm that regularly surveys the industry, a year ago found that 82 percent of utility executives responding said that coal had a future when "fiscal realities were fully considered." But in this year's report, that number fell to 58 percent.

"The percentage of respondents who believe there is a future for coal in the United States has dropped significantly," the report concluded."

Everything you post on this site, in every thread you post it in, is pure idiocy. I have never, not once, seen you post a single thing that is honest and intelligent. Ever.

So it ought to easy for you to say what the alternative is then?


Today's FT..

The share of electricity generated by burning coal in the US has fallen to its smallest in nearly 40 years amid historically low natural gas prices and the warmest March on record for much of America.

The rise in shale production has pushed down natural gas prices, prompting utilities to shift their power generation from coal to gas.

Coal still remains the largest source of electricity production in the US, but the country's Department of Energy said the commodity's share in electricity generation fell in March to 34 per cent, the lowest level since January 1973, the earliest date for which it has monthly statistics.

BTW, I usually don't see you in here. What's the occasion for you to visit the Business tab? Challenging your game?
 
2012-06-06 02:54:56 PM
OK, unfetachable URL

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4924ea34-afef-11e1-b737-00144feabdc0.h t ml?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fmarkets%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz1x1w LnP5Q
 
2012-06-06 03:07:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: lordaction: Splinshints: lordaction: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

But why do Democrats continue to kill energy sources when there are no viable replacements?

"Black & Veatch, an Overland Park engineering and consulting firm that regularly surveys the industry, a year ago found that 82 percent of utility executives responding said that coal had a future when "fiscal realities were fully considered." But in this year's report, that number fell to 58 percent.

"The percentage of respondents who believe there is a future for coal in the United States has dropped significantly," the report concluded."

Everything you post on this site, in every thread you post it in, is pure idiocy. I have never, not once, seen you post a single thing that is honest and intelligent. Ever.

So it ought to easy for you to say what the alternative is then?

Today's FT..

The share of electricity generated by burning coal in the US has fallen to its smallest in nearly 40 years amid historically low natural gas prices and the warmest March on record for much of America.

The rise in shale production has pushed down natural gas prices, prompting utilities to shift their power generation from coal to gas.

Coal still remains the largest source of electricity production in the US, but the country's Department of Energy said the commodity's share in electricity generation fell in March to 34 per cent, the lowest level since January 1973, the earliest date for which it has monthly statistics.

BTW, I usually don't see you in here. What's the occasion for you to visit the Business tab? Challenging your game?


Rapmaster2000: lordaction: Splinshints: lordaction: Kazan: even if i were to trust a fox news report... COAL SHOULD BE KILLED

for fark sake, do you have no farking idea how we're farking up our environment [over the long term] with that shiat. goddamn people are farking stupid

But why do Democrats continue to kill energy sources when there are no viable replacements?

"Black & Veatch, an Overland Park engineering and consulting firm that regularly surveys the industry, a year ago found that 82 percent of utility executives responding said that coal had a future when "fiscal realities were fully considered." But in this year's report, that number fell to 58 percent.

"The percentage of respondents who believe there is a future for coal in the United States has dropped significantly," the report concluded."

Everything you post on this site, in every thread you post it in, is pure idiocy. I have never, not once, seen you post a single thing that is honest and intelligent. Ever.

So it ought to easy for you to say what the alternative is then?

Today's FT..

The share of electricity generated by burning coal in the US has fallen to its smallest in nearly 40 years amid historically low natural gas prices and the warmest March on record for much of America.

The rise in shale production has pushed down natural gas prices, prompting utilities to shift their power generation from coal to gas.

Coal still remains the largest source of electricity production in the US, but the country's Department of Energy said the commodity's share in electricity generation fell in March to 34 per cent, the lowest level since January 1973, the earliest date for which it has monthly statistics.

BTW, I usually don't see you in here. What's the occasion for you to visit the Business tab? Challenging your game?


Yeah, that was my point. There is no alternative. Hopefully in the future maybe. I am in the Biz tab frequently but only comment when people are horribly incorrect which doesn't happen much in this section.
 
2012-06-06 03:11:00 PM

SpectroBoy: soakitincider: hating defending coal is retarded;

FTFY


why do you want the poor and middle classes to suffer? it's bad enough that we have to finance unconstitutional wars (both against other countries and ourselves); why continue to worsen the american quality of life?
 
2012-06-06 03:12:19 PM

bhcompy: natural gas doesn't make anyone big bucks.


Whodowhut?
 
2012-06-06 03:15:06 PM
lordaction

Yeah, that was my point. There is no alternative. Hopefully in the future maybe. I am in the Biz tab frequently but only comment when people are horribly incorrect which doesn't happen much in this section.

There is no alternative besides the natural gas alternative which has risen to 32% of US production vs. 34% for coal. You know, like it said in the FT article.

And we're only 5 years into the fracking revolution. Check out quotes for ANR or ACI if you want to see what the market thinks about your "no alternative" assertion.

Come on. Step it up.
 
2012-06-06 03:17:01 PM
Coal.

Blech.

I'd rather live downwind of a nuclear power plant.

I'd get less rads that way.
 
2012-06-06 03:21:55 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: bhcompy: natural gas doesn't make anyone big bucks.

Whodowhut?


It's a cheap byproduct of oil extraction. Emphasis on cheap.
 
2012-06-06 03:21:59 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: bhcompy: natural gas doesn't make anyone big bucks.

Whodowhut?


In a sense that's accurate. It's killing Chesapeake Energy and other firms who bet too heavily on NG just as supply exploded and prices dropped. But there's not much money in coal either.

g.foolcdn.com

It looks like NG supply is finally starting to pullback in reaction to low price. Production is being shifted to petroleum which is more profitable right now.

The only energy play I'm making right now is Total SA based on its battered price via European insecurity and it's high dividend and good margins. Oil is where it's at for energy right now.

I don't know how to play coal or gas. Both are cheap, but with high gas supply and lowering coal demand I don't see how I can make money. Someone else will find a way though.
 
2012-06-06 03:24:20 PM

Rapmaster2000: lordaction

Yeah, that was my point. There is no alternative. Hopefully in the future maybe. I am in the Biz tab frequently but only comment when people are horribly incorrect which doesn't happen much in this section.

There is no alternative besides the natural gas alternative which has risen to 32% of US production vs. 34% for coal. You know, like it said in the FT article.

And we're only 5 years into the fracking revolution. Check out quotes for ANR or ACI if you want to see what the market thinks about your "no alternative" assertion.

Come on. Step it up.


There are alternatives, nuclear being the best one, but none of these alternatives are acceptable to liberals. That is what I don't understand. It is as if they think if they regulate out of existence or ban energy sources that will somehow create a new source magically.

I'm really not trolling this thread, but am curious to what the Democrat energy game plan is.
 
2012-06-06 03:26:32 PM

soakitincider: hating coal is retarded; poor people should be allowed connections to electricity as well.


/the people driving hybrids are the same that can afford $4+ dollar fuel.


you know nothing about the economics of electricity generation and how the various different technologies compare.

especially if we started paying the REAL cost of coal.

/lives in one of the areas of the country that uses the least coal
//also has some of the cheapest electricity
 
2012-06-06 03:29:44 PM

bhcompy: If not coal, then nuclear or natural gas at this point, but nuclear is nimby'd and natural gas doesn't make anyone big bucks. So.... cold fusion?


Why not the more promising hot fusion? Seriously these guys slave away with a tiny sub-billion dollar budget, while we piss away subsidies to coal and oil (and fission) many times that. No respect. Give them a boost so they can roll into production sooner!
 
2012-06-06 03:31:43 PM

lordaction:

There are alternatives, nuclear being the best one, but none of these alternatives are acceptable to liberals. That is what I don't understand. It is as if they think if they regulate out of existence or ban energy sources that will somehow create a new source magically.

I'm really not trolling this thread, but am curious to what the Democrat energy game plan is.


Like I said, you want to be in the politics thread. I'm not going to give you the Democrat energy game plan. If there is one, I don't know what it is. Of course, this assumes that Democrats are the Borg.

There isn't a Republican energy plan either beyond random promises of making gasoline really cheap, and even then it isn't a Republican plan. It's Newt's plan or Sarah's plan. And it's not really a plan anyway, it's all rhetoric.

There are market forces which shape price and consumption far more than any government ever could. This is business.
 
2012-06-06 03:32:53 PM

bhcompy: It's a cheap byproduct of oil extraction. Emphasis on cheap.


Rapmaster2000: In a sense that's accurate


Everyone I know in the business is doing quite well. South Texas is still going like mad. Their biggest hope is that the government will start allowing exports sometime soon to alleviate the glut. There are some overseas markets that are screaming for product ad we have metric shiattons to sell.
 
2012-06-06 03:36:21 PM

Rapmaster2000: lordaction:

There are alternatives, nuclear being the best one, but none of these alternatives are acceptable to liberals. That is what I don't understand. It is as if they think if they regulate out of existence or ban energy sources that will somehow create a new source magically.

I'm really not trolling this thread, but am curious to what the Democrat energy game plan is.

Like I said, you want to be in the politics thread. I'm not going to give you the Democrat energy game plan. If there is one, I don't know what it is. Of course, this assumes that Democrats are the Borg.

There isn't a Republican energy plan either beyond random promises of making gasoline really cheap, and even then it isn't a Republican plan. It's Newt's plan or Sarah's plan. And it's not really a plan anyway, it's all rhetoric.

There are market forces which shape price and consumption far more than any government ever could. This is business.


Okay. I must have misunderstood. Thanks for explaining that.
 
2012-06-06 03:39:45 PM

xanadian: Would renewable energy make up for all the jobs lost from killing coal? I really don't know.



There already are more people employed in Green jobs than Coal in America.
 
2012-06-06 03:44:48 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: bhcompy: It's a cheap byproduct of oil extraction. Emphasis on cheap.

Rapmaster2000: In a sense that's accurate

Everyone I know in the business is doing quite well. South Texas is still going like mad. Their biggest hope is that the government will start allowing exports sometime soon to alleviate the glut. There are some overseas markets that are screaming for product ad we have metric shiattons to sell.


Doing well is different than appeasing rabid stockholders. Exxon wouldn't be worth as much if it was a natural gas company rather than an oil company. The end result is that equivalent units of oil generate more bottom line. They flare natural gas on oil extraction for a reason(though this activity is being curtailed somewhat)
 
2012-06-06 03:46:53 PM

intelligent comment below: xanadian: Would renewable energy make up for all the jobs lost from killing coal? I really don't know.


There already are more people employed in Green jobs than Coal in America.


citation please (i want to have that citation so i can stick it in tards faces)
 
2012-06-06 03:50:42 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: bhcompy: It's a cheap byproduct of oil extraction. Emphasis on cheap.

Rapmaster2000: In a sense that's accurate

Everyone I know in the business is doing quite well. South Texas is still going like mad. Their biggest hope is that the government will start allowing exports sometime soon to alleviate the glut. There are some overseas markets that are screaming for product ad we have metric shiattons to sell.


Cheniere Energy will be the first to open an LNG in Sabine Pass in 2016. ExxonMobil is pushing now for a second.

That said, I would avoid investing in it. There is a global race of LNG coming online right now and supply is likely to quickly reach levels that push down LNG prices. Australia, Indonesia, and SA are too far ahead.

I wouldn't invest in gas at all right now. Too much supply. Too much downside. Fracking is creating too much supply everywhere. Good for workers in the short term. Bad for investors in the long term. Fortunately for the workers, they can shift to oil production.
 
2012-06-06 03:54:54 PM

Splinshints: Everything you post on this site, in every thread you post it in, is pure idiocy. I have never, not once, seen you post a single thing that is honest and intelligent. Ever.


lol

www.planetcalypsoforum.com
 
2012-06-06 03:58:37 PM

bhcompy: Exxon wouldn't be worth as much if it was a natural gas company rather than an oil company.


Want to take a stab at who the largest natural gas producer in North America is? Their shareholders are pretty content right now.

But you are correct in the respect of the NG market being on shaky ground. While it's selling domestically for around the $2.25-$2.50 MCF range, Japan is paying over $15 and European markets are over $11MCF. Sadly the farking DoE is dragging their feet on issuing permits.
 
2012-06-06 03:59:59 PM
oh hey lordaction.. i see you claim there are no viable replacements to coal.

you are ignorant, do not speak on this subject until you get an education.
 
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