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2012-06-06 01:20:54 PM

Thoguh: Democracy died with Citizen's United. And all the voters stupid enough to base their voting on what TV commercials tell them.


You all really believe this?

People in Wisconsin had their minds made up long before the ads starting running. Maybe for the 6 people who were undecided it made a difference...

I know this is very hard to take, but democracy won yesterday in Wisconsin. The people voted and Gov Walker is still in office - and won by an even larger percentage than he did in the first election.

Money didn't decide this election - the people of Wisconsin did.
 
2012-06-06 01:21:13 PM

bonefish: So be it. If that's what the majority want, they can have it. Someone who out right shiats on how they make a living, whatever.


Non-union workers in union markets earn higher wages because their employers have to pay more to compete with union employers. Walker's actions will put downward pressure not just on public employee compensation, but on all workers' compensation in Wisconsin. In the end, they will get what they voted for.
 
2012-06-06 01:21:20 PM
I dont see how you could consider it having died this election. If this is the sort of thing fatal to it, then its been dead a long time.
 
2012-06-06 01:21:44 PM

coeyagi: So then you are saying that the problem is that large sums of money weren't spent... on education.


no, that's not what I was saying
 
2012-06-06 01:22:12 PM
It's always a celebration when sociopaths have to pull tens of millions from the aggregate Republican war-chest just to defend a chair they already had.
 
2012-06-06 01:22:28 PM
Liberal here.

Yes it sucks that Walker won. But it's very simple. You had enough people to get a recall vote but not enough to win. Democracy is a double edged sword. Yes the system is a bit out of wack but your side doesn't get win every election just because you think they should. Work harder at getting your message out and getting like minded people to vote. And stop being a crying biatch about it.
 
2012-06-06 01:23:05 PM

Overfiend: Thoguh: Democracy died with Citizen's United. And all the voters stupid enough to base their voting on what TV commercials tell them.

You all really believe this?

People in Wisconsin had their minds made up long before the ads starting running. Maybe for the 6 people who were undecided it made a difference...

I know this is very hard to take, but democracy won yesterday in Wisconsin. The people voted and Gov Walker is still in office - and won by an even larger percentage than he did in the first election.

Money didn't decide this election - the people of Wisconsin did.


Really? Think about that logically. If money doesn't matter, why spend millions of it? People smarter and richer than you or I crunched the numbers 31 times to Tuesday and they concluded that spending obscene amounts of money was not tantamount to a dick-size contest but rather vital to the election outcome.

Final Score: Logic 1, You 0.
 
2012-06-06 01:23:35 PM

karnal: The more you speak - the stronger we become. Rail on!


It's sad to see people rooting for the destruction of America. Why not just join your conservative brethren in Al Qaeda and wage full on warfare with the real Americans? It would be more efficient.
 
2012-06-06 01:23:43 PM

skullkrusher: coeyagi: So then you are saying that the problem is that large sums of money weren't spent... on education.

no, that's not what I was saying


Well get with the program son, you should have been saying that.
 
2012-06-06 01:23:58 PM

Doc Lee: Tyee: So if it is all about the money, how come none of the liberals are talking about how many votes they lost because Walker took a huge deficit that was cause by the democrats and turned it into a surplus to the credit of Walker and the republicans?

You mean the imaginary surplus that only exists in the warp mind of Walker and his cronies? The non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau says otherwise. $143 million deficit. Of course, the far-right wing loves to skew numbers. Walker says he's created jobs. Non-partisans say that there was a net job loss in Wisconsin. Woops. Facts hurt far-right wing propagandists.

Come on libs give him a little credit because its due. Obviously the voting people of WI see that elephant that was in this room.

Credit for costing Wisconsin jobs? Credit for the $143 million deficit? Sure thing.

Why hasn't that money been mentioned by the liberals in these butthurt threads?

For obvious reasons. It's a G0P lie. It's too bad that you fell for it. Man, don't you feel retarded.


But it really felt like it was true, so he assumed it was. What a moron.
 
2012-06-06 01:24:05 PM
fark.upi.com
"Rich guys like him. If I vote for him, and he wins, they'll find out, and they'll make me rich in return!!!"
 
2012-06-06 01:24:57 PM
Funny that rich donors are happy to give shiatloads of money to elect a candidate, but cry and scream when it comes to giving money to fix a goddamn budget deficit.
 
2012-06-06 01:25:00 PM

Doc Lee: skullkrusher: PiffMan420: Balaclavas and molotovs....party in Wisconsin tonight!

THIS

/is dumb

French Revolution remedies should not be completely off the table.


*rolleyes* - so dust the Cheetos off your lap and build a guillotine, homme dur
 
2012-06-06 01:25:04 PM
That guy needs therapy.
 
2012-06-06 01:25:24 PM

Doc Lee: Man, don't you feel retarded.


the last resort of a scoundrel, personal attacks. Its how we know you're a poor loser, but a loser none the less.

Believing the democrat lies doesn't make you a retard IMO.

Democrats picked a fight and got their asses handed to them in the ring of democracy.
 
2012-06-06 01:25:30 PM
How? Did the Supreme Court rule in favor of Citizens United again?!
 
2012-06-06 01:26:42 PM

justtray: But it really felt like it was true, so he assumed it was. What a moron.


To people like Tyee, it will always be true. Anything that the G0P and their media outlets say must be true...just...just because! That's why!
 
2012-06-06 01:27:13 PM

Elandriel: Funny that rich donors are happy to give shiatloads of money to elect a candidate, but cry and scream when it comes to giving money to fix a goddamn budget deficit.


Fixing a budget via taxes doesn't get you a direct line to the dealmakers in D.C. It does make you a national hero in no ones eyes, though.

//America - we'll honor those who make this place better the second a Kardashian becomes a Rhodes Scholar.™
 
2012-06-06 01:27:38 PM

Overfiend: Money didn't decide this election - the people of Wisconsin did.


They certainly did--based on misinformation spread by the candidate with the staggering amounts of money needed to flood the airwaves with it.

Democracy didn't "die" last night. But democracy definitely didn't "win" either. All this election does is underscore that America is no longer a democratic republic, but a corporate republic. In theory, the people can take it back. But they won't until the corporatist system owned by the plutocrats produces another Great Depression scale catastrophic failure.

And it will.
 
2012-06-06 01:29:01 PM

Tyee: Doc Lee: Man, don't you feel retarded.

the last resort of a scoundrel, personal attacks. Its how we know you're a poor loser, but a loser none the less.

Believing the democrat lies doesn't make you a retard IMO.

Democrats picked a fight and got their asses handed to them in the ring of democracy.


And here he is, ignoring the fact that he believes lies, and instead focusing on the truthful statement that he is a moron for believing those lies.

This is how they do their mental gymnastics to continue to believe the lies. Since you hurt his feelings he feels more validated that his lies are true.

Dude has serious psychological problems. Then again, I'm convinced all Republicans do. It's the only logical explanation. That or they're just really REALLY poorly educated. Also possible.
 
2012-06-06 01:29:34 PM

Tyee: Doc Lee: Man, don't you feel retarded.

the last resort of a scoundrel, personal attacks. Its how we know you're a poor loser, but a loser none the less.


Figures, you can't address the non-partisan facts so you start calling people poor losers and then try to say that these non-partisan facts are some how tied to the Democrats. Non-partisan facts are scary things to the G0P and their brownshirt apologists.
 
2012-06-06 01:30:18 PM

Epoch_Zero: In a recall election there is a window of time in which the person being recalled can collect unlimited amounts of money for his recall campaign.




Really?

Yeah, I'm not really all that keen on that idea. Wow, he just had to gobble some cock really quickly, and he was set, basically.
 
2012-06-06 01:30:28 PM

justtray: Dude has serious psychological problems. Then again, I'm convinced all Republicans do. It's the only logical explanation. That or they're just really REALLY poorly educated. Also possible.


The party of George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, and a home-schooled voting base poorly educated? The devil, you say!
 
2012-06-06 01:31:12 PM
To know that money made the difference all you have to read is the myriad of "Unions lose" posts.

They spent a huge amount of money to frame the narrative in a way that would get support. I expect this to become the national narrative for the presidential election because of how well it worked.

The Republicans may be evil sociopaths, but they do know how to win an election by telling the sheep what to think.
 
2012-06-06 01:31:38 PM

Tyee: ring of democracy.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-06 01:32:02 PM

justtray: Tyee: Doc Lee: Man, don't you feel retarded.

the last resort of a scoundrel, personal attacks. Its how we know you're a poor loser, but a loser none the less.

Believing the democrat lies doesn't make you a retard IMO.

Democrats picked a fight and got their asses handed to them in the ring of democracy.

And here he is, ignoring the fact that he believes lies, and instead focusing on the truthful statement that he is a moron for believing those lies.

This is how they do their mental gymnastics to continue to believe the lies. Since you hurt his feelings he feels more validated that his lies are true.

Dude has serious psychological problems. Then again, I'm convinced all Republicans do. It's the only logical explanation. That or they're just really REALLY poorly educated. Also possible.


THIS.

Why? Because they are. Compare 2008 education rankings by state with electoral college outcomes:

Red State - 32.4 average rank
Blue State - 20.5 average rank

So, I will copy this over and over for all the trolls who come in and throw down "Stupid Libs!"
 
2012-06-06 01:32:38 PM

s1ugg0: Liberal here.

Yes it sucks that Walker won. But it's very simple. You had enough people to get a recall vote but not enough to win. Democracy is a double edged sword. Yes the system is a bit out of wack but your side doesn't get win every election just because you think they should. Work harder at getting your message out and getting like minded people to vote. And stop being a crying biatch about it.


Sorry, Dag. Not buying you're a liberal. Not with that moniker. But whateva.

I'm an independent who leans conservative. But that doesn't keep me from seeing the truth that corporations buying elections isn't healthy for the republic. "The people" here worked very hard to get their message out, and getting like minded people to vote. But their ability to compete effectively was limited by their lack of access to wads of corporate cash.
 
2012-06-06 01:32:51 PM
the protesters at the start had me thinking about vuvzelas....
 
2012-06-06 01:33:34 PM

skullkrusher: Doc Lee: skullkrusher: PiffMan420: Balaclavas and molotovs....party in Wisconsin tonight!

THIS

/is dumb

French Revolution remedies should not be completely off the table.

*rolleyes* - so dust the Cheetos off your lap and build a guillotine, homme dur


All I'm saying is that they should not be completely off the table. It won't happen until the G0P's apologists realize that they are being screwed over far too much (even for them). Look around the world. It's happened in virtually every single country. Revolution is rarely non-violent. It's happened here in the US before and it very well may happen again. It's most often centrists and liberals overthrowing conservative or authoritarian governments. I don't recall a point in history where there was a successful conservative revolution except in Iran.
 
2012-06-06 01:34:16 PM

Doc Lee: What we have here is the extreme far-right wing anti-Americans and their apologists embracing fascism. History is truly repeating itself. Prescott Bush is looking down so very pleased.


1/10 Try harder next time
 
2012-06-06 01:34:44 PM
vpb: I am surprised that more hasn't been made of the fact that Walker was not bound by campaign finance laws while Barrett was. Barrett had 4 million, 74% from Wisconsin and Walker had 30.5 million, 2/3rds from out of state. So Walker outspent Barrett 7 ½ to 1.

I think you can safely say that this election was bought.


Honestly, it wasn't.

Who in their right mind pushed this during the summer when colleges were out, and students went home and out of state? The youth vote, if it voted as it did in 2008, would have swung the election. Overall, voting was down from 2008.

Once again it comes down to the fact that the crazy GOP'ers are coming out and voting, while everyone else sits at home and complains about the status quo, about having to vote, and about every politician.

Dems got the support, they just can't seem to get people out to vote each and every time. Thats a big problem when going up again fundamentalists.
 
2012-06-06 01:35:01 PM
He had to outspend his opponent 8:1 using money from out-of-state Republican fat cats. I don't think this is the "Democracy" that our Founding Fathers had in mind.

And you know he's only going to double-down on the derp -- his OWNERS will want a return on their investment.
 
MFL
2012-06-06 01:35:01 PM
Weaver95: try not to take it personally. i'm sure the GOP shills around here will be gloating for at least a week...but that's ok. let 'em gloat and pay attention to the voting data as it comes in, and look for what Walker did right and what mistakes he made. sure, last night was a GOP win...but was it worth it for their long term goals?

I'm not gloating....but you should listen to me more often. I've been posting for months this election wasn't going to be close and predicted Walker would out perform the polls.

It's boggles my mind how many progressives seem to be so inclined to believe their own bullshiat. Is your cool-aid that good?

Yesterday afternoon people here on fark actually believed Walker was going to lose or at worst the election would be so close that we would be talking about it today. What was even more hilarious was that the media seemed "shocked" that it went the way it did.

After seeing the polling, after seeing Walker get more votes as a right-in that both of the democrats in their own primary and the DNC cut Barret's funding off a few weeks ago, how could anyone in their right mind think this thing was going to end differently!?

Now the media talking points of the day are saying Obama somehow has Wisconsin in the bag because of some exit poll (that had Walker and Barret tied) that had him up by 9 points? Really??

Spinning news your way is one thing, but this is beginning to get stupid.
 
2012-06-06 01:36:00 PM

vernonFL: Tyee: ring of democracy.

[Thunderdome pic]


The main-street Republican values of.... Burning Man.

/for the lulz
 
2012-06-06 01:36:08 PM
It's pretty straightforward. Either money makes a difference in elections, in which case Republicans cannot deny that allowing unlimited spending means that we're distorting Democracy in favor of the wealthy, or it does not, in which case, why are they so upset about limiting spending?

It's a deep flaw they're unwilling to face themselves lest they realize the uncomfortable and inescapable conclusion that they do not believe in democracy.
 
2012-06-06 01:36:21 PM

beta_plus: Democracy can only work when The Democrat Party win every election. If you think otherwise, you are a racist.


10/10!!! That there's some Class A Trollin' right there! Good jerb!
 
2012-06-06 01:37:11 PM

Doc Lee: skullkrusher: Doc Lee: skullkrusher: PiffMan420: Balaclavas and molotovs....party in Wisconsin tonight!

THIS

/is dumb

French Revolution remedies should not be completely off the table.

*rolleyes* - so dust the Cheetos off your lap and build a guillotine, homme dur

All I'm saying is that they should not be completely off the table. It won't happen until the G0P's apologists realize that they are being screwed over far too much (even for them). Look around the world. It's happened in virtually every single country. Revolution is rarely non-violent. It's happened here in the US before and it very well may happen again. It's most often centrists and liberals overthrowing conservative or authoritarian governments. I don't recall a point in history where there was a successful conservative revolution except in Iran.


Murder should not be off the table. Got it...
 
2012-06-06 01:37:19 PM

SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn3.google.com image 266x189]

This is what Democracy looks like.


Once again, these data show me that Walker raised about 10- million from Wisconsin Voters to Barrett's 2.9 million. Statistics can be fun.
 
2012-06-06 01:37:58 PM

shower_in_my_socks: He had to outspend his opponent 8:1 using money from out-of-state Republican fat cats. I don't think this is the "Democracy" that our Founding Fathers had in mind.

And you know he's only going to double-down on the derp -- his OWNERS will want a return on their investment.


Did I hear correctly that the Democrats retook the Wisconsin Senate? If so, his ability to produce returns will be limited. But he's already done a lot of damage that will take a long time to repair.
 
2012-06-06 01:40:23 PM

spman: Doc Lee: What we have here is the extreme far-right wing anti-Americans and their apologists embracing fascism. History is truly repeating itself. Prescott Bush is looking down so very pleased.

1/10 Try harder next time


No, he's pretty spot on.

P Bush was so pleased with his dealings with fascism that he got together with his business partner and wrote a book titled "I Paid Hitler". Part of the Bush family fortune was made from the Nazis.
 
2012-06-06 01:41:49 PM

justtray: When people, read - Trolls, continually post retarded stuff like, "Unions lose" it's a safe bet we're dealing with entirely ignorant voters.


As opposed to the typical "Corporations lose" and "victory for the 99%" that would have inevitably have come up in these very same places had the outcome been different?

Not surprising, this is the only narrative the right can come up with, using narrative is literally all they can do because facts are never on their side.

"Never", huh? Your faith in your political philosophy is that strong?

Additionally, a lot of people voted against their interests, so no, it's not a matter of opposing views, just a matter of ignorance as to the facts.

And what, precisely, are "their interests"? Do you know their interests better than they do, like some kind of vanguard party or something?

Contemporary liberals often express complete bafflement at why people would "vote against their interests," coming up with all sorts of elaborate theories centering around sinister conspiracies to explain it. But there's a much simpler interpretation: that the people are not, in fact, voting against their interests. Or, to put it another way, that contemporary liberalism's perception of "the people's interests" is mistaken, that what "the people" value isn't what contemporary liberalism thinks they do (or, perhaps, that they should).
 
2012-06-06 01:42:04 PM
Unions provide an instrument through which the working class can wield some influence and voice their concerns. I'm not crying, but their decline along with the rise of corporatism, nationalism and racism in this country does not bode well for our future.
 
2012-06-06 01:44:14 PM

Millennium: justtray: When people, read - Trolls, continually post retarded stuff like, "Unions lose" it's a safe bet we're dealing with entirely ignorant voters.

As opposed to the typical "Corporations lose" and "victory for the 99%" that would have inevitably have come up in these very same places had the outcome been different?

Not surprising, this is the only narrative the right can come up with, using narrative is literally all they can do because facts are never on their side.

"Never", huh? Your faith in your political philosophy is that strong?

Additionally, a lot of people voted against their interests, so no, it's not a matter of opposing views, just a matter of ignorance as to the facts.

And what, precisely, are "their interests"? Do you know their interests better than they do, like some kind of vanguard party or something?

Contemporary liberals often express complete bafflement at why people would "vote against their interests," coming up with all sorts of elaborate theories centering around sinister conspiracies to explain it. But there's a much simpler interpretation: that the people are not, in fact, voting against their interests. Or, to put it another way, that contemporary liberalism's perception of "the people's interests" is mistaken, that what "the people" value isn't what contemporary liberalism thinks they do (or, perhaps, that they should).


38% of union households voted for walker. I could go on, but it's not necessary.

So feel free to retract your post anytime.
 
2012-06-06 01:45:58 PM
What's a contemporary liberal?

Is that like someone who believes in sound fiscal policy and equal rights for all, while still maintaining a social safety net? If so, you got me.

I think most people call that Libertarian, but I don't like to self identify.
 
2012-06-06 01:46:11 PM
Wisconsin saw what this guy wants to do and just rubber stamped it. This shouldn't have been close. We'll see what happens after a full term.

Ultimately, if you won't stand up for yourself, no one else is going to.
 
2012-06-06 01:47:00 PM

justtray: What's a contemporary liberal?

Is that like someone who believes in sound fiscal policy and equal rights for all, while still maintaining a social safety net? If so, you got me.

I think most people call that Libertarian, but I don't like to self identify.


Hard to tell. There aren't many, if any at all, left in Washington.
 
2012-06-06 01:48:19 PM
No, democracy didn't die. But, sometimes when you let people vote, they vote for the Taliban.
 
2012-06-06 01:48:37 PM

anindependent: I'm an independent who leans conservative. But that doesn't keep me from seeing the truth that corporations buying elections isn't healthy for the republic. "The people" here worked very hard to get their message out, and getting like minded people to vote. But their ability to compete effectively was limited by their lack of access to wads of corporate cash.


There's that vanguard-party thing again: the assumption that your one group is both the one that looks out for all people and the only one that does so, and all with surprisingly little work done to determine what "the people's interests" actually are. Are they really so insane to vote against their interests, or are you just out of touch?
 
2012-06-06 01:49:59 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Unions provide an instrument through which the working class can wield some influence and voice their concerns. I'm not crying, but their decline along with the rise of corporatism, nationalism and racism in this country does not bode well for our future.


The Republicans have seized upon Citizens United and realized that they can use their corporate and monied interests to kill the inferior moneys of the Unions through legislation. That, along with suppressing voter turn-out by making it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor (read: democrats) people to vote in order to prevent half a dozen (at best) instances of fraudulently cast ballots as well as scaring legal Latino voters by threatening their families, is their approach to maintaining power.

The next true tyranny, as I have said for 20 years (even when I was a Republican), will be a corporate one.
 
2012-06-06 01:50:12 PM

spman: Doc Lee: What we have here is the extreme far-right wing anti-Americans and their apologists embracing fascism. History is truly repeating itself. Prescott Bush is looking down so very pleased.

1/10 Try harder next time


Ignorance of embracing fascism doesn't mean that you still aren't embracing fascism.
 
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