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2012-06-06 11:37:22 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: KimNorth: Citrate1007: KimNorth: I read union employees were given the choice to continue to pay union dues for rep, most choose not to when they realized that the money saved not paying dues made up somewhat for the small cuts to benefits that saved the jobs of many of their co-workers or their own job.

Yes, we've all sadly stumbled upon a TownHall article written by a D+ college student. You'll get over it....really though it depends on the union.

Well he must be pulling A+'s out now, as every news source has stated about 50% loss of membership for unions with the non-private employee's.

The law has been re-written to take away all bargaining rights from these unions. What purpose remains for them? I wouldn't continue to pay for a hotel room after the governor burned the place to the ground, either.


Look it was not working...our public services suck our schools suck and all we have heard for the last 30 years if only you/we the tax payer would give us more money we could do better. Things have gotten worse with every extra dollar given as benefits and pay has skyrocketed!

The people are done being held hostage by the unions who have no place in the public tax paid arena!

It can't get any worse as we have hit bottom "literary" we as a Country are almost dead last in "education" and I'm sure you have been to the DMV enough said.
 
2012-06-06 11:37:50 AM
The majority of Wisconsinites I've personally spoken have said that while they may not agree with Walker's policies at all, he really hasn't done anything explicitly wrong to deserve being recalled. He was duly elected into office and did exactly the things he promised he would do during his campaigning. They feel that recalls should be reserved for things like incompetence or corruption, regardless of how stark their ideological differences with the politician may be. Some even said that since ideological differences will always exist in a state, you really don't want to get into the habit of non-stop recall elections. I found that kind of maturity very refreshing.
 
2012-06-06 11:37:52 AM

Rapmaster2000: I was talking to a retired guy from the Wisconsin prison guards union and his opinion was that they got way too generous a pension for what they did. That's probably true for prison guards. I'm not sure I feel the same way about teachers.


So does he accept his pension or send it to a rich guy instead?
 
2012-06-06 11:38:32 AM

KimNorth: LouDobbsAwaaaay: KimNorth: Citrate1007: KimNorth: I read union employees were given the choice to continue to pay union dues for rep, most choose not to when they realized that the money saved not paying dues made up somewhat for the small cuts to benefits that saved the jobs of many of their co-workers or their own job.

Yes, we've all sadly stumbled upon a TownHall article written by a D+ college student. You'll get over it....really though it depends on the union.

Well he must be pulling A+'s out now, as every news source has stated about 50% loss of membership for unions with the non-private employee's.

The law has been re-written to take away all bargaining rights from these unions. What purpose remains for them? I wouldn't continue to pay for a hotel room after the governor burned the place to the ground, either.

Look it was not working...our public services suck our schools suck and all we have heard for the last 30 years if only you/we the tax payer would give us more money we could do better. Things have gotten worse with every extra dollar given as benefits and pay has skyrocketed!

The people are done being held hostage by the unions who have no place in the public tax paid arena!

It can't get any worse as we have hit bottom "literary" we as a Country are almost dead last in "education" and I'm sure you have been to the DMV enough said.


Things haven't gotten better, so you should take steps to deliberately make them worse? Sounds like a solid, well thought-out plan.
 
2012-06-06 11:38:39 AM

JesusJuice: You can always count on the working class to vote against their own self-interest..


Of course if they were rich, they'd be greedy and vote for their self-interest.
 
2012-06-06 11:38:48 AM

Epoch_Zero: halfof33: I am baffled that people don't understand the difference between private employee unions and Public Employee Unions.

Doesn't matter which category, public or private - the right to unionize to gain the treatment and pay your deserve is a right.


the government employees union - government organized as a special interest to lobby itself to expand itself.

Weaver95: Epoch_Zero: halfof33: I am baffled that people don't understand the difference between private employee unions and Public Employee Unions.

Doesn't matter which category, public or private - the right to unionize to gain the treatment and pay your deserve is a right.

not any more - apparently the voters in Wisconsin have decided that collective bargaining is something they don't want anymore. it will be interesting to see where the unions go with this development.


That is completely untrue. Wow.
 
2012-06-06 11:39:08 AM

mr_bunny: 7of7: The Wisconsin election showed that union political power is a myth. The Republicans can no longer use the "big union" bogeyman, though I'm sure they won't stop.

I am glad they crushed the unions. I am tired of all these millionaire teachers cutting me off with their brand new Audis.


Yeah, every time I run into one of my child's teachers serving up lattes at their second job I think about how that lucky bastard is exploiting the system by using their masters in education to make $7/hour.
 
2012-06-06 11:39:12 AM

simplicimus: So unions will fade away, business will take advantage of the workers, unions will come back. Is Pinkerton still around?


They won't be coming back, because they'll be illegal. This is it for organized labor, the corporations are going to win permanently. The benefits of collective bargaining will not be seen again by workers in America. With the death of the middle class, so too will go the college educated engineers, scientists and techs. Without them, our advantage as a research and development economic powerhouse will wither and die, America will take its place as just another third-world backwater with a tiny oligarchy ruling over a huge slave-wage serf class.

It started in Wisconsin. It ends with your children, grandchildren and every subsequent generation living out their days in miserable grinding poverty, with no hope of rising above their caste. Kudos, Republicans, everything's going your way. USA! USA!
 
2012-06-06 11:39:37 AM

colon_pow: Diogenes: Cythraul: Diogenes: beta_plus: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*Breath*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A HAHA!!!!!!

So glad we have a grownup in the conversation.

You're on Fark. You're looking for adult conversation?

We were actually doing pretty good there for a bit in this thread. And as if to put a fine point on it, see colon_pow above.

colon_pow is happy today!


It's a great day to be an American. It's morning in Wisconsin.

/I will root for the Brewers this summer to thank the good people of Wisconsin
//respect the Packers, but that seems a bit too fair weather
 
2012-06-06 11:40:48 AM

exvaxman: Something does need to be done to healthcare costs. However, another giant monolithic government response is not the answer. Between my friends in Canada and GB, I hear nothing but complaints about the time it takes, etc. One friend had a kid with a very bad problem - the parent was told that there was a three month wait to get into the tests that would confirm that more surgery was required. He drive over the border to an ER in the states and had the kid taken care of that day. Extreme example, but there are a lot of those stories.


True emergency care is not something you need to wait for in either the UK or Canada. Period.

Your *ahem* "friends'" experiences are countered by the overwhelming experience of the developed Western world, in that they would never want to have to handle private insurance as their primary care (private insurance is still available in both the UK and Canada) vs their current health care setup.

I work for a really large, world-wide company. Their US employees are the only ones who have to have healthcare as part of their benefits package, because everywhere else in the developed world it's already taken care of.

/of course, "horror stories" can be found in the US system as well
//a great example, in western europe, cancer support forums talk about things like preferred wig makers and keeping active, foods that pep you up, etc; in the US they talk about where to get good information on bankruptcy filing
 
2012-06-06 11:40:53 AM

Wendy's Chili: halfof33: I am baffled that people don't understand the difference between private employee unions and Public Employee Unions.

I assume it is mostly trolls who don't pay property taxes.

Walker's sugar mama (and just about every Republican in government) wants all the unions gone. All of them.


Hitler: "First, I'm going to come for the communists. Then, I'm going to come for the trade unionists..."

halfof33 to trade unionists: "Calm down guys. Don't you know the difference between communists and trade unionists?"


Lulz, time to Goodwin? Pretty impressive!!

Wisconsin voters are all little Hitlers! Hilarious!
 
2012-06-06 11:40:56 AM

czei: Yeah, every time I run into one of my child's teachers serving up lattes at their second job I think about how that lucky bastard is exploiting the system by using their masters in education to make $7/hour.


Plus all the free coffee they can drink!

/Caffeine is a hell of a drug.
 
2012-06-06 11:41:56 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: The age bracket is interesting.


Whatchu sayin' about kids!?!?!?
 
2012-06-06 11:42:09 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: phyrkrakr: Just about what I expected - old, poorly educated, white men were his strongest supporters. Oh, and the richest people, too, imagine that. And the last question was the most interesting, I thought. Apparently quite a few people think that recalls should only be for official misconduct, as opposed to just disagreeing with politics.

Which I don't get, since if the electorate can vote a politician in, logic holds that they should be able to vote them out at any time they really want, so long as there is a process in place.

And there is.

/in b4 "yes they're called elections"; implying that politicians should be able to do whatever they want during their term without threat of being thrown out early by the electorate


But you elect the person for a set period of time. In essence, the public enters into a contractual agreement with the elected official.

If you hire someone to build a house, it is usually frowned upon to just kick them to the curb mid-project unless there is a very good reason.
 
2012-06-06 11:42:10 AM

KimNorth: LouDobbsAwaaaay: KimNorth: Citrate1007: KimNorth: I read union employees were given the choice to continue to pay union dues for rep, most choose not to when they realized that the money saved not paying dues made up somewhat for the small cuts to benefits that saved the jobs of many of their co-workers or their own job.

Yes, we've all sadly stumbled upon a TownHall article written by a D+ college student. You'll get over it....really though it depends on the union.

Well he must be pulling A+'s out now, as every news source has stated about 50% loss of membership for unions with the non-private employee's.

The law has been re-written to take away all bargaining rights from these unions. What purpose remains for them? I wouldn't continue to pay for a hotel room after the governor burned the place to the ground, either.

Look it was not working...our public services suck our schools suck and all we have heard for the last 30 years if only you/we the tax payer would give us more money we could do better. Things have gotten worse with every extra dollar given as benefits and pay has skyrocketed!

The people are done being held hostage by the unions who have no place in the public tax paid arena!

It can't get any worse as we have hit bottom "literary" we as a Country are almost dead last in "education" and I'm sure you have been to the DMV enough said.


700/10 Amazing
 
2012-06-06 11:42:15 AM

qorkfiend: KimNorth: LouDobbsAwaaaay: KimNorth: Citrate1007: KimNorth: I read union employees were given the choice to continue to pay union dues for rep, most choose not to when they realized that the money saved not paying dues made up somewhat for the small cuts to benefits that saved the jobs of many of their co-workers or their own job.

Yes, we've all sadly stumbled upon a TownHall article written by a D+ college student. You'll get over it....really though it depends on the union.

Well he must be pulling A+'s out now, as every news source has stated about 50% loss of membership for unions with the non-private employee's.

The law has been re-written to take away all bargaining rights from these unions. What purpose remains for them? I wouldn't continue to pay for a hotel room after the governor burned the place to the ground, either.

Look it was not working...our public services suck our schools suck and all we have heard for the last 30 years if only you/we the tax payer would give us more money we could do better. Things have gotten worse with every extra dollar given as benefits and pay has skyrocketed!

The people are done being held hostage by the unions who have no place in the public tax paid arena!

It can't get any worse as we have hit bottom "literary" we as a Country are almost dead last in "education" and I'm sure you have been to the DMV enough said.

Things haven't gotten better, so you should take steps to deliberately make them worse? Sounds like a solid, well thought-out plan.


I know using the money saved to hired more teachers and build better schools really sucks.

//Teacher jobs have already been saved by this and more who had been laid off re-hired...very bad plan!
 
2012-06-06 11:42:44 AM

qorkfiend: Being able to get medical care, even if you have to wait a bit, is far more preferable than not being able to get that care at all.


The ERs in the US have to treat everyone by law. This is one major issue with the costs.
If there were more clinics that were available, instead of people without insurance going into the ER and racking up huge charges because it is the ER for a hangover or flu, the hospitals would not have to absorb the losses and charge higher rates. This is something I see as the first step to controlling health care that would have an immediate effect. having somewhere else to go for "free" healthcare subsidized by the gov't for these type of situations would be a boost. The ER should just be for emergencies - that would allow for lower staffing, lower costs, improved care for the real use. Yes, a step to "socialized" medicine. Also free pre-natal care should be provided to everyone.
 
2012-06-06 11:42:47 AM

qorkfiend:
Things haven't gotten better, so you should take steps to deliberately make them worse? Sounds like a solid, well thought-out plan.


Time will tell if things get better or worse.
 
2012-06-06 11:43:30 AM

Diogenes: PainInTheASP: On the other hand, Barrett's ads were about whatever they could think of. The way they jumped from one talking point to another was really rather sad and pathetic. After having to watch their clusterfark of a campaign for the last month, I wasn't at all suprised to hear they lost.

Sounds alot like how we lost the governorship to Rick Scott here. Sloppy and unfocused campaign by the challenger - lots and lots of money and organization on his side.


Exactly. As much as I hate to admit it, I have to give Walker's camp huge props on their organization. And it's kind of scary to think this, but from what I've seen so far I think he would be a force to be reckoned with if he ever decides to throw his hat into the national ring. I know people who are saying he's only going to be a one-term governor--and that's because the GOP will insist that he's somewhere on the presidential ticket in 2016.
 
2012-06-06 11:43:46 AM

Diogenes: What precisely did you expect him to do?

Why was Romney absent?


Maybe make at least one appearance with Barrett to show his support.

Romney was smart not to. He had nothing to gain or lose.
 
2012-06-06 11:43:53 AM

KimNorth: qorkfiend: KimNorth: LouDobbsAwaaaay: KimNorth: Citrate1007: KimNorth: I read union employees were given the choice to continue to pay union dues for rep, most choose not to when they realized that the money saved not paying dues made up somewhat for the small cuts to benefits that saved the jobs of many of their co-workers or their own job.

Yes, we've all sadly stumbled upon a TownHall article written by a D+ college student. You'll get over it....really though it depends on the union.

Well he must be pulling A+'s out now, as every news source has stated about 50% loss of membership for unions with the non-private employee's.

The law has been re-written to take away all bargaining rights from these unions. What purpose remains for them? I wouldn't continue to pay for a hotel room after the governor burned the place to the ground, either.

Look it was not working...our public services suck our schools suck and all we have heard for the last 30 years if only you/we the tax payer would give us more money we could do better. Things have gotten worse with every extra dollar given as benefits and pay has skyrocketed!

The people are done being held hostage by the unions who have no place in the public tax paid arena!

It can't get any worse as we have hit bottom "literary" we as a Country are almost dead last in "education" and I'm sure you have been to the DMV enough said.

Things haven't gotten better, so you should take steps to deliberately make them worse? Sounds like a solid, well thought-out plan.

I know using the money saved to hired more teachers and build better schools really sucks.

//Teacher jobs have already been saved by this and more who had been laid off re-hired...very bad plan!


You can't hire better teachers if you won't pay them a competitive wage. Do you somehow think that slashing pay and benefits will lead to hiring more qualified people, when there are already problems attracting qualified people into the profession?
 
2012-06-06 11:44:24 AM

halfof33: the government employees union - government organized as a special interest to lobby itself to expand itself.


In a perfect world there would be no need for public sector unions but as a mechanism to keep race to the bottom "conservatives" in check they are useful.
 
2012-06-06 11:44:28 AM

czei: mr_bunny: 7of7: The Wisconsin election showed that union political power is a myth. The Republicans can no longer use the "big union" bogeyman, though I'm sure they won't stop.

I am glad they crushed the unions. I am tired of all these millionaire teachers cutting me off with their brand new Audis.

Yeah, every time I run into one of my child's teachers serving up lattes at their second job I think about how that lucky bastard is exploiting the system by using their masters in education to make $7/hour.


Yeah, everytime I run into the local teacher pulling down $89k a year and asking her if she is working this summer and being told: No, she is hiking Yosemite this summer. She did Yellowstone last summer. No she doesn't contribute to her health benefits, silly.
 
2012-06-06 11:44:34 AM

oldass31: The majority of Wisconsinites I've personally spoken have said that while they may not agree with Walker's policies at all, he really hasn't done anything explicitly wrong to deserve being recalled. He was duly elected into office and did exactly the things he promised he would do during his campaigning. They feel that recalls should be reserved for things like incompetence or corruption, regardless of how stark their ideological differences with the politician may be. Some even said that since ideological differences will always exist in a state, you really don't want to get into the habit of non-stop recall elections. I found that kind of maturity very refreshing.


This, this, many times this.
 
2012-06-06 11:45:28 AM
There is one thing I've had to remind myself after this election: Marketing works.

And it more or less confirms my Gen X cynicism.
 
2012-06-06 11:45:41 AM
By the popular logic presented here, I guess this means black people are the smartest people in the country. This could turn it around for Detroit.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-06 11:46:04 AM

halfof33: Wendy's Chili: halfof33: I am baffled that people don't understand the difference between private employee unions and Public Employee Unions.

I assume it is mostly trolls who don't pay property taxes.

Walker's sugar mama (and just about every Republican in government) wants all the unions gone. All of them.


Hitler: "First, I'm going to come for the communists. Then, I'm going to come for the trade unionists..."

halfof33 to trade unionists: "Calm down guys. Don't you know the difference between communists and trade unionists?"

Lulz, time to Goodwin? Pretty impressive!!

Wisconsin voters are all little Hitlers! Hilarious!


It's almost as if the Democrats were hoping for a final solution to their Republican problem.
 
2012-06-06 11:46:23 AM

halfof33: the government employees union - government organized as a special interest to lobby itself to expand itself.


You see it as an amorphous conglomerate with an undying agenda, I see it as people fighting to be treated fairly.

I say tomato, you say oogabooga.
 
2012-06-06 11:47:04 AM
It's not a big secret in the rest of the world that American voters tend to be pretty stupid.
 
2012-06-06 11:47:11 AM

Diogenes: Posh Naranek: Diogenes: Self-hating U's.

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I'm glad that at least one person did. I hated using the apostrophe but it was the only way to pluralize "U" without making it "Us".


"U"s?
 
2012-06-06 11:47:33 AM

eurotrader: Most are skipping over what has made the unions wet themselves, a big thing Walker did was stop the mandatory unions' fees deduction from government employee's checks. Feb 2011 AFSCME conscripted membership was 62,818. Feb. 2012 after the change 28,745. The unions are worried about the amount of money they like to spend on themselves and to give other peoples money to politicians a lot of the previous member do not agree with. The dems are scared because if the idea takes hold union membership which been declining in the private sector for decades will start to decline in the public unions and the big pot of other people's money to spend will decrease.


So what you're saying here is that people don't like to pay for something (union level wages and benefits) if they can get the same thing for free. Got it.
 
2012-06-06 11:47:41 AM
7 percent of Tea Party supporters voted for Barrett?
 
2012-06-06 11:48:03 AM

Epoch_Zero: halfof33: I am baffled that people don't understand the difference between private employee unions and Public Employee Unions.

Doesn't matter which category, public or private - the right to unionize to gain the treatment and pay your deserve is a right.


I think that the point was more along the line that there is an inherent difference in the nature of these relationships.

FDR said it very well himself

Not that I agree with all of it, but he definatly has several good points.
 
2012-06-06 11:48:36 AM

halfof33: Wendy's Chili: halfof33: I am baffled that people don't understand the difference between private employee unions and Public Employee Unions.

I assume it is mostly trolls who don't pay property taxes.

Walker's sugar mama (and just about every Republican in government) wants all the unions gone. All of them.


Hitler: "First, I'm going to come for the communists. Then, I'm going to come for the trade unionists..."

halfof33 to trade unionists: "Calm down guys. Don't you know the difference between communists and trade unionists?"

Lulz, time to Goodwin? Pretty impressive!!

Wisconsin voters are all little Hitlers! Hilarious!


Wee! I'm halfof33 and I have poor reading comprehension, but I'm giddy as shiat because future generations of Wisconsinites will to!
 
2012-06-06 11:48:46 AM

FlashHarry: voting for the man who literally wants to destroy your way of life? talk about stockholm syndrome!


www.edhumphries.com
 
2012-06-06 11:49:30 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I work for a really large, world-wide company. Their US employees are the only ones who have to have healthcare as part of their benefits package, because everywhere else in the developed world it's already taken care of.


So have I - and also have seen the far higher taxes paid by some of our branches in other countries if profits were not transferred. Of course, not having the pension and health care burdens makes it sort of a knock off due to the fact of the huge pension and medical long term costs here in the states.

One of the reasons for years the imports were cheaper to produce than GM. If I remember right, the benefits given to a GM UAW worker amounted to something like $2500 per car before the bailout.
 
2012-06-06 11:49:58 AM

farkityfarker: It's not a big secret in the rest of the world that American voters tend to be pretty stupid.


Are you one of those people in the 'rest of the world?' Could you come to the U.S. and aid us in being less stupid?
 
2012-06-06 11:51:08 AM

Epoch_Zero: You see it as an amorphous conglomerate with an undying agenda, I see it as people fighting to be treated fairly.


Hmmm, curiously, you failed to actually address my point.

public employee unions are people fighting to be treated fairly! You heard it here first!

And who are they "fighting" folks? Name those bastards!

That is right, the stupid farking fat cat... tax payers... basically everyone who isn't a governmental employee.

Pay your property taxes citizen, the public employee unions are here to screw you.

I think it is only fair that you use lube when you raise my property taxes to pay off your unfunded pensions.
 
2012-06-06 11:51:27 AM
Interesting, the people that pay the bulk of the taxes supported Walker. Who would have guessed?
 
2012-06-06 11:51:34 AM

sabreWulf07: simplicimus: So unions will fade away, business will take advantage of the workers, unions will come back. Is Pinkerton still around?

They won't be coming back, because they'll be illegal. This is it for organized labor, the corporations are going to win permanently. The benefits of collective bargaining will not be seen again by workers in America. With the death of the middle class, so too will go the college educated engineers, scientists and techs. Without them, our advantage as a research and development economic powerhouse will wither and die, America will take its place as just another third-world backwater with a tiny oligarchy ruling over a huge slave-wage serf class.

It started in Wisconsin. It ends with your children, grandchildren and every subsequent generation living out their days in miserable grinding poverty, with no hope of rising above their caste. Kudos, Republicans, everything's going your way. USA! USA!


I think the wheel will eventually turn. The current relatively stable geo-political environment that allows outsourcing will eventually destabilize. When consumers have little disposable income, our consumer based economy will start to crumble.
 
2012-06-06 11:51:48 AM

R.A.Danny: Whatchu sayin' about kids!?!?!?


Really just observing. I don't have a dog in this hunt.
 
2012-06-06 11:51:54 AM

sabreWulf07: simplicimus: So unions will fade away, business will take advantage of the workers, unions will come back. Is Pinkerton still around?

They won't be coming back, because they'll be illegal. This is it for organized labor, the corporations are going to win permanently. The benefits of collective bargaining will not be seen again by workers in America. With the death of the middle class, so too will go the college educated engineers, scientists and techs. Without them, our advantage as a research and development economic powerhouse will wither and die, America will take its place as just another third-world backwater with a tiny oligarchy ruling over a huge slave-wage serf class.

It started in Wisconsin. It ends with your children, grandchildren and every subsequent generation living out their days in miserable grinding poverty, with no hope of rising above their caste. Kudos, Republicans, everything's going your way. USA! USA!


Yeah, um. I'm pretty glum right now, but seriously?

The country will fracture long before it gets to that point. History shows that shiat like that doesn't go on forever either. Eventually a group of individuals realizes they can get popular support and overthrows the existing power structure.
 
2012-06-06 11:52:27 AM

exvaxman: Don't Troll Me Bro!: I'm not sure how well known Tammy Baldwin is outside this part of the state.

Not good IMHO. The right dislikes her politics and I do not see much support from the moderate left.

I thought my new co-workers were kidding when I moved into the state 20 years ago. They said that a nuke dropped on Madison and Milwaukee would change the whole politics of the state. They were not kidding if you look at yesterday's results.


You can say that about a lot of states. Take away the major population centers and you've got the rural areas remaining, which typically vote R.
 
2012-06-06 11:53:15 AM

farkityfarker: It's not a big secret in the rest of the world that American voters tend to be pretty stupid.


Yeah, Americans are so stupid. Yet for some odd reason we're leaders in countless things. Weird, that.
 
2012-06-06 11:53:27 AM
Well if thats true, and union members voted for him than the money worked, way to go Citizens United. Don't know how us regular folk will tackle this problem but when we do it will be quite messy.

/after public unions comes private unions
//This will be good for progressive states, but we are all in this together.
 
2012-06-06 11:53:33 AM

Wendy's Chili: Wee! I'm halfof33 and I have poor reading comprehension, but I'm giddy as shiat because future generations of Wisconsinites will to!


So you are proud you Goodwin'ed the thread there, champ? hee hee!

Hey, whatever floats your boat, Stalin.
 
2012-06-06 11:55:40 AM

FlashHarry: voting for the man who literally wants to destroy your way of life? talk about stockholm syndrome!


This is the Kenyan resistant strain of the Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2012-06-06 11:55:57 AM

halfof33: Epoch_Zero: You see it as an amorphous conglomerate with an undying agenda, I see it as people fighting to be treated fairly.

Hmmm, curiously, you failed to actually address my point.

public employee unions are people fighting to be treated fairly! You heard it here first!

And who are they "fighting" folks? Name those bastards!

That is right, the stupid farking fat cat... tax payers... basically everyone who isn't a governmental employee.

Pay your property taxes citizen, the public employee unions are here to screw you.

I think it is only fair that you use lube when you raise my property taxes to pay off your unfunded pensions.


Walker caught on camera admitting his attack on public sector unions is part of a larger scheme to turn Wisconsin into a right to work state.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE BUDGET DERRRRRRRRRR
 
2012-06-06 11:56:10 AM

topcon: farkityfarker: It's not a big secret in the rest of the world that American voters tend to be pretty stupid.

Yeah, Americans are so stupid. Yet for some odd reason we're leaders in countless things. Weird, that.


Our heyday as a nation was during a time with high union membership and much steeper progressive taxation than today.
 
2012-06-06 11:56:35 AM

Lumpmoose: Happy Hours: FlashHarry: voting for the man who literally wants to destroy your way of life? talk about stockholm syndrome!

Not all unions are public sector unions.
Not all unions are in it to help their workers.

Walker's anti-collective bargaining bill also exempted police and firefighter unions.


That would be a good chunk of that 38%, I'll bet.
 
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