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2012-06-06 09:34:12 AM
I understand that console makers want their systems to be hip to current technology, but why the fark would I want to be "social" with my vidyas? Much like reading a book, I play a video game to relax and shut myself off from the rest of the world.
 
2012-06-06 09:36:07 AM

imontheinternet: Bioshock Infinite has been delayed to 2013.


Oh well, as long as XCOM is on time then I won't worry.
 
2012-06-06 09:39:52 AM
Seeing many of the games they have shown, it's just a big meh. I'm in my upper 30's now, been gaming since the 2600 and this generation my interest just seems to be deteriorating. Only games I can honestly say this gen that I've enjoyed were Rock Band, Portal 2, Bioshock, and Dead Space (despite having no interest in the sequels - obviously Portal being the exception). Another CoD... I'll pass. Another Halo... meh. It just looks like a rehash. I like coop, but multiplayer overall has little appeal to me. Oh well, other interests and obligations have filled the void.

Read an article recently talking about the struggling industry and just wonder if my sentiments are resonating across the board.

I will say, despite the apparent bad press, the Wii U seems interesting to me, but this coming gen could be the first I skip out of, or at least avoid launch.
 
2012-06-06 09:41:58 AM

Burr:
I'm 30, I have been playing PC games since the original Sim City on a 5" floppy.

Only recently have I stopped caring about PC games because they seem like too much of a hassle to play. I don't care about multiplayer, I just want a nice interactive story. But I can rarely get that without some DRM nonsense or a forced game update.

*sigh* I guess this is what getting old feels like.


Yeah, I'm only 24 and have been playing PC since Half Life and Star Craft came out when I was 11 (and Delta Force which I consider the original COD). This article really speaks about my opinion. When I buy a game, I want the complete game and not something dependent on multiplayer or updates or DLC.

I really felt betrayed when I bought Sins of a Solar Empire. I didn't do my due diligence and found out there was literally NO CAMPAIGN in an RTS which until that point seemed to go hand in hand.
 
2012-06-06 09:43:26 AM
I'm with you Burr - anything with Steam (or other evil DRM type stuff) either doesn't get bought or is quickly uninstalled and returned or put in my rant-about-to-any-visitor-willing-to-listen pile. So glad I waited to buy GTA IV so I only wasted $25, it demanded so many other things than just buy/install/play (surprised it didn't want access to my root directory too ;)
 
2012-06-06 09:43:38 AM

jfivealive: Sullyville: Do they still allow booth babes or no?

Yes they do


Surprising number of girls with guts in those pics. Seems like the ones without the chub generally go bare stomach, but the ones with wear a skin tight suit and think it covers it.
 
2012-06-06 09:44:51 AM
ObscureNameHere looks into the thread.

"New games? Already?" he says.

He opens Steam to the Skyrim window.

"HOURS PLAYED: 302"

"Still so much to do. Time to try and get my Pickpocket Skill to 100"...
 
2012-06-06 09:45:15 AM

thecpt:

I really felt betrayed when I bought Sins of a Solar Empire. I didn't do my due diligence and found out there was literally NO CAMPAIGN in an RTS which until that point seemed to go hand in hand.


Never tried anything but Multiplayer in Trinity or Rebellion. The multiplayer is a lot of fun though for 3 to 4 people.

/Build the Titan!
 
2012-06-06 09:45:21 AM
The only game that looked really interesting to me was Beyond: Two Souls. Besides that, nothing announced by MS, Nintendo, or Sony really blew me away.
 
2012-06-06 09:45:25 AM

thecpt: I didn't do my due diligence and found out there was literally NO CAMPAIGN in an RTS which until that point seemed to go hand in hand


Yeah, no campaign in SoaSE was kind of strange, and it threw me off. Of course, I have been playing the Civilization since number 2, and I was kind of used to the "open" concept of turn based strategy, so I got used to it in RTS, but some sort of structure would have been nice.

/X-COM can't get here fast enough
 
2012-06-06 09:45:34 AM

kroonermanblack: Didn't e3 deliberately kill thier 'fun' aspect a few years ago? Like it used to be a huge event that everyone loved going to for parties and demos and cosplay. Like a super con. Then the industry decided it was getting out of hand and locked everything, made it insider only, etc?


Yep, that's the one.

The year it happened, there was some rumbling that the 'fun' bits would move to Gen Con Indy. But that never panned out.

A shame really, since I go to Gen Con every year and would love to get more bang for my buck.
 
2012-06-06 09:46:16 AM

Burr: thecpt: Crap, I don't seem to care that much anymore and I'm not even old. GIVE ME HALF LIFE 3! Or a new total war

I'm 30, I have been playing PC games since the original Sim City on a 5" floppy.

Only recently have I stopped caring about PC games because they seem like too much of a hassle to play. I don't care about multiplayer, I just want a nice interactive story. But I can rarely get that without some DRM nonsense or a forced game update.

*sigh* I guess this is what getting old feels like.


I'm 24 and getting sick of PC games, mostly because I have to boot up my computer and it is more hassle than turning on the tv.
 
2012-06-06 09:46:30 AM

Mentalpatient87: Oh, biatch biatch biatch, gamers. Are we never happy with anything?


They keep feeding the beast.

Want change? Vote with your wallets and stop buying rehashed shiat.
 
2012-06-06 09:47:04 AM
Wii U looks interesting, but I'll probably skip the launch. The fact that you only get one of those little ipad things, and that everyone else just uses the same wii-motes as before, is a turn off for me. I know most multiplayer is done online now, but at least give me the option of playing with someone next to me on the couch. Any games with my roommate are going to be 80% arguing over who gets the cool controller.

I'm sure you can buy another one, but they're sure to be expensive as hell. The PS3 has been out for 6 yars now, and an extra controller STILL cost me $50. A frigging tablet PC peripheral will cost a fortune.
 
2012-06-06 09:47:11 AM
We watch all three major consoles shout, "Look at me! I am relevant!" while reporters play games on their smart phones. Sure, there will always be the blockbuster game for full price, but that's going to have to change.

The future will not be won by $60 games with expensive DLC. The future is freemium and cheap indie games. If you don't believe me, go to www.humblebundle.com and get those four (or five) games and their soundtracks.

I am still rooting for the Wii-U, but I am skeptical that want we (gamers) want is a new console right now. I think if they cranked out sequels to Mario Kart, Super Mario Galaxy and other Nintendo franchises the Wii would keep going and going...
 
2012-06-06 09:47:23 AM

Burr: the Civilization


*sigh*

The Civilization series
 
2012-06-06 09:47:55 AM
Video games are for people who are so in shape they don't even have to go SOMEWHERE in 26 minutes cause they're so awesome.
 
2012-06-06 09:48:06 AM

Antimatter: Yeah, outside of a few titles, nothign really interested me. the press conferences sucked, and spent way too much time on stuff we didn't care about.

Ms: Seemed to forget that people play the xbox for games, spent most of the time on network stuff and smartglass. Only major games announced are sequels.I get the feeling everything else is being diverted to Durango development.

Sony: Not nearly enough focus on the Vita, with only a few games announced. They needed a major focus on it, and just blew it. Spent 20 minutes talking about a book and network stuff. the new new ip shown, beyond and Last of Us, look really good though. Overall, a real lack of priorities here.

Nintendo: Some nice games here and there, but no showcase titles. The Wii U is seemingly being pushed as a HD DS, rather then the next big thing in consoles. No major surprises ether. No price, availability, or specs for the wii U yet.

I expect a lot of show floor announcements, but honestly, you can tell this is the last year for this generation. I expect future shows will be dominated by ps4/nextbox announcements, and more wii U launch news.


Well, Sony kind of needed to talk about the network. People need to know if they're still giving away free credit card information.
 
2012-06-06 09:50:41 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Video games Reading books are for people who are so in shape they don't even have to go SOMEWHERE in 26 minutes cause they're so awesome.


neat!
 
2012-06-06 09:50:57 AM

ZeroCorpse: Gee... You mean an event in which soulless corporate entities spend hours and hours advertising their products wasn't fun?


MightyPez: that's every industry convention since the invention of the industry convention.


FTFY. Fan-run conventions aren't as polished because they lack the $$$ but there's always fun stuff going on.

PanicAttack: My main disappointment with this year's announcements is there are very few new concept games. Everything is a sequel to a sequel to a sequel of something already established.


That's because no one buys original games. Compare sales figures for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 vs. Stacking. Everyone in this thread can vouch for themselves and everyone they know as exceptions and it still won't amount to even a zit on the elephant that is 9 million copies sold of the latest "dudebro" game.

Originality will never go extinct, but it's probably stuck in the start-up cottage industry. Any title that'll get attention at an industry event will have serious investor money behind it, and investors are allergic to originality because of the risk.
 
2012-06-06 09:54:08 AM

Skr: DLC was a great idea until it generally started to cannibalize game elements that should have been ready on release date instead of at extra cost.

Nothing from what I've seen of this years E3 has beaten my anticipation of Borderlands 2 and Guild Wars 2 (of which this weekend should be another extremely fun filled beta event).



A small random anecdote. I recently played the game Risen 2. At release the game had some good elements, but the combat sucked big floppy donkey dick. Shortly after release the company released the standard "Extra Area to Explore" DLC, nothing special though it added story elements that seemed pertinent to the main plot. I was almost going to write the game company off as another fleecer of the market but... then they release a patch which changed (and fixed) combat completely. The company actually listened to the feedback and fixed the game with a free patch that wasn't a part of DLC.
The game became fun and playable after that.
Listening to the community built around your game is a requisite to making a first class title.


Hmm, if that's true, I may have to try Risen 2. I liked the 1st Risen, as it felt a lot like the Gothic games, but I haven't heard anything very good about 2.
 
2012-06-06 09:54:57 AM
kliq: I understand that console makers want their systems to be hip to current technology, but why the fark would I want to be "social" with my vidyas? Much like reading a book, I play a video game to relax and shut myself off from the rest of the world.

Goddamn THIS. I want to go into my basement, smoke a bowl, and kill Templars in Constantinople in peace. I have ZERO desire to compete against some 12 year old in Taipei.
 
2012-06-06 09:58:12 AM
Man, that guy's really into his gaming.

/Not a gamer.
//Didn't understand most of that.
 
2012-06-06 10:00:36 AM
I love it when you console jockeys proclaim (again!) that PC gaming is dead.

225 hours into HD Skyrim on my gaming PC. You can keep the FPSes on your consoles complete with 12 year olds teabagging you.
 
2012-06-06 10:03:20 AM

Bullseyed:
I'm 24 and getting sick of PC games, mostly because I have to boot up my computer and it is more hassle than turning on the tv.


Thats funny, because my cable box takes longer to boat and let me access the channel guide than it takes for me to get to the start menu of Far Cry 2 via steam.

/Fark Cablevision
 
2012-06-06 10:07:13 AM
The lesson I learned from this E3 is that when a company says "this is the last game in the series we are making" that means "we are handing it off to a third party to bilk more money out of this franchise without us having to do any more work."

I'm not looking forward to this new Gears of War game.
 
2012-06-06 10:08:07 AM

Bullseyed: Burr: thecpt: Crap, I don't seem to care that much anymore and I'm not even old. GIVE ME HALF LIFE 3! Or a new total war

I'm 30, I have been playing PC games since the original Sim City on a 5" floppy.

Only recently have I stopped caring about PC games because they seem like too much of a hassle to play. I don't care about multiplayer, I just want a nice interactive story. But I can rarely get that without some DRM nonsense or a forced game update.

*sigh* I guess this is what getting old feels like.

I'm 24 and getting sick of PC games, mostly because I have to boot up my computer and it is more hassle than turning on the tv.


You turn off your computer?
 
2012-06-06 10:09:07 AM

Mentalpatient87: Oh, biatch biatch biatch, gamers. Are we never happy with anything?


If we were, we couldn't justify pirating it all.
 
2012-06-06 10:11:20 AM
Who still goes to E3's? I mean other than the ADD crowd that absolutely can not wait to hear about crap later. And I guess the people that stand in line at midnight for anything. Which is probably the same crowd.

And who turns off their computer?
 
2012-06-06 10:11:27 AM

Burr: Wow...I must be getting old...

This is the first I have heard of E3 this year, of course the number of games I care about this year I could count on one hand.

X-COM: Enemy Unknown
Bioshock Infinite
Borderlands 2

Maybe Dishonored, it has peaked my interest but it hasn't grabbed me yet.

/all the good games come out around my birthday it seems (mid October), Fallout 3 came out on my birthday, and my present was my wife letting me pick it up at midnight and not interrupting for 24 hours


Piqued your interest.

/You're welcome.
 
2012-06-06 10:14:34 AM
Watch Dogs looks really cool. Definitely the next step in gaming. The video of walking through the city was incredible by itself.
 
2012-06-06 10:16:17 AM
I didn't listen to the Sony press conference, but I'm sure they made no mention that future consoles and handhelds will not play used games right?
 
2012-06-06 10:16:24 AM

trappedspirit: And who turns off their computer?


People that pay their own electricity bill.

/WoL makes it available if I ever need to remote in
 
2012-06-06 10:17:24 AM

Skr: DLC was a great idea until it generally started to cannibalize game elements that should have been ready on release date instead of at extra cost.

Nothing from what I've seen of this years E3 has beaten my anticipation of Borderlands 2 and Guild Wars 2 (of which this weekend should be another extremely fun filled beta event).



A small random anecdote. I recently played the game Risen 2. At release the game had some good elements, but the combat sucked big floppy donkey dick. Shortly after release the company released the standard "Extra Area to Explore" DLC, nothing special though it added story elements that seemed pertinent to the main plot. I was almost going to write the game company off as another fleecer of the market but... then they release a patch which changed (and fixed) combat completely. The company actually listened to the feedback and fixed the game with a free patch that wasn't a part of DLC.
The game became fun and playable after that.
Listening to the community built around your game is a requisite to making a first class title.


1: Everyone who wasn't a complete retard knew this was where DLC was going. The industry never even pretended it was anything else.

2: You're full of shiat. There is no such thing as Risen with a good combat system.
 
2012-06-06 10:18:22 AM

marcand: We watch all three major consoles shout, "Look at me! I am relevant!" while reporters play games on their smart phones. Sure, there will always be the blockbuster game for full price, but that's going to have to change. The future will not be won by $60 games with expensive DLC. The future is freemium and cheap indie games.


I daresay the future, maybe already here, is market fragmentation. Anyone who thinks one specific technology is "teh future" is being naive, which unfortunately is almost everyone at E3. The world of cutting-edge console and PC games isn't dying; their days of dominance is what's dead. I remember when you could count the developers behind a game on one hand, but as recently as the PS2 days, a well-run studio's ambitions for a game often hit hardware constraints. The last generation of consoles blew the lid off that -- now it's far easier to bankrupt the studio than max out the hardware. That's not to say console/PC games will go away -- as you say and I agree, there will always be those AAA titles -- but they will be a mere segment of the market, one devoid of originality, catering to the easy money. If by chance you've been secretly hoping that The Guardian Legend will get a AAA-budget reboot simply because it's a kickass game and hardware today is so powerful, stop waiting. There's no justice left in this world. It's either never gonna happen, or a committee of MBAs will get their claws on it and turn it into a steaming pile of suck. If you want to see the natural progression of a classic game whoring itself out to maintain its development budget, just look at Resident Evil.

And honestly, that's fine with me. The sorts of games I like don't need to be cutting edge. The casual gamers are almost completely migrated to mobile devices and Nintendo is hell-bent on cornering the rest; that gets their noisy input out of my market. The "dudebro" market of sports and FPS games is similarly entrenched -- again, good riddance. It's the old-school gamer market that's helplessly lost. The demographic that used to rule the video game world is now a minority but still a culturally significant one, so everything from creative control to budget are all over the place.
 
2012-06-06 10:20:25 AM
You just go to the right booths!

sgcafe.com
 
2012-06-06 10:23:23 AM

95BV5: Piqued your interest.

/You're welcome.


I don't need your pity!

/or deserve it!
 
2012-06-06 10:28:55 AM
Things I played on the show floor yesterday-

One Piece- basically Dynasty Warriors with One Piece characters
Tokyo Jungle- Animals take over Tokyo after humanity disappears one day. Unlock new species as you play. The guy demo-ing was playing as a pomeranian and got eaten by a tiger.
Unfinished Swan- first-person puzzle game.
Hell Yeah!- 2D side-scroller starring a demon bunny, funny as hell.
A few other odds and ends.

This is a really fun year. I could make it no fun at all by trying to hate everything, or I could look for stuff I care about. The latter options is working for me really nicely.
 
2012-06-06 10:34:16 AM
i think i read a version of this article in 2007.

it will be recycled again in another 5 years.

reading that was completely worthless, as pc's have and always will be the leader in game/console development. also, its a convetion where there's not enough going on year over year to warrant the level of excitement and rabid behavior it attracts.
 
2012-06-06 10:34:26 AM
As much as it pains me to say this, Nintendo is through. The WiiU looks like utter garbage designed to completely alienate what little fanbase Nintendo has remaining. I have zero faith in their ability to support their own products for any length of time. They did well with the Wii thanks to their courting of casual gamers and other non-gaming types, 99% of which have since moved on to shiat like Angry Birds and have no interest in buying another Wii. The biggest problem Nintendo had with the Wii was getting people to buy the games. I think the average Wii owner only had something like 1.5 games. Most people bought it and were happy with Wii Sports, the pack in game. Hre's hoping Nintendo folds and becomes a third party developer soon.
 
2012-06-06 10:38:16 AM
Watch_Dogs looks interesting, but we really need to see more about how it plays. There was some interesting stuff at Sony's presentation too, and it's seeming like all of the good games are being shown outside of the 'Big 3's presentations anyway. Hell, all of the interesting stuff about ZombiU came outside Nintendo and Ubisoft's presentations, somehow. But that said I basically agree with subby's headline

kroonermanblack: Didn't e3 deliberately kill thier 'fun' aspect a few years ago? Like it used to be a huge event that everyone loved going to for parties and demos and cosplay. Like a super con. Then the industry decided it was getting out of hand and locked everything, made it insider only, etc?


E3 has always been an industry only event. Developers, retailers and press only. They have in recent years toned back some of the spectacle of the old days though.

/Also pumped for AC3, finally progressing the story again...
//2 was great, Brotherhood was an actual improvement, Revelations though....
 
2012-06-06 10:41:10 AM
E3 was terrible this year, but nobody will admit it

Everyone I know that went admit it sucked bigtime.
 
2012-06-06 10:41:44 AM

thecpt: steam


That sounds like a computer issue. I go from off to in game menu for Diablo 3 in under 2 minutes on mine. And that's including the extra time to load the RAID controller. It's an older rig running on a Q6600 I bought in 2007. That's a 5 year old CPU. And it's still 2 hardware generations ahead of the Xbox 360.

My Comcast HD DVR takes at least 5 minutes to go from power off to menus populated.
 
2012-06-06 10:43:00 AM

spman: As much as it pains me to say this, Nintendo is through. The WiiU looks like utter garbage designed to completely alienate what little fanbase Nintendo has remaining. I have zero faith in their ability to support their own products for any length of time. They did well with the Wii thanks to their courting of casual gamers and other non-gaming types, 99% of which have since moved on to shiat like Angry Birds and have no interest in buying another Wii. The biggest problem Nintendo had with the Wii was getting people to buy the games. I think the average Wii owner only had something like 1.5 games. Most people bought it and were happy with Wii Sports, the pack in game. Hre's hoping Nintendo folds and becomes a third party developer soon.


Somebody doesn't have kids....

Lego Indiana Jones
Lego Harry Potter
Lego Batman
Skylanders
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Spectrobes
etc.etc.etc.
 
2012-06-06 10:47:01 AM
horrible E3 didnt even hint pgi was making MWO. seems like all the big companys are relying on ages of 8-13 to fund them. i would like some variety to me gaming. that said i did see borderlands two, watchdogs, and one other title i think ill like but untill MWO is covered im thinking E3 is nothing but a big corporate gathering.
 
2012-06-06 10:50:52 AM

kroonermanblack: Didn't e3 deliberately kill thier 'fun' aspect a few years ago? Like it used to be a huge event that everyone loved going to for parties and demos and cosplay. Like a super con. Then the industry decided it was getting out of hand and locked everything, made it insider only, etc?


I seem to remember it being a big story at the time, yes. Something about making it less of a party and more games r serious business.
 
2012-06-06 10:51:01 AM

ObscureNameHere: spman: As much as it pains me to say this, Nintendo is through. The WiiU looks like utter garbage designed to completely alienate what little fanbase Nintendo has remaining. I have zero faith in their ability to support their own products for any length of time. They did well with the Wii thanks to their courting of casual gamers and other non-gaming types, 99% of which have since moved on to shiat like Angry Birds and have no interest in buying another Wii. The biggest problem Nintendo had with the Wii was getting people to buy the games. I think the average Wii owner only had something like 1.5 games. Most people bought it and were happy with Wii Sports, the pack in game. Hre's hoping Nintendo folds and becomes a third party developer soon.

Somebody doesn't have kids....

Lego Indiana Jones
Lego Harry Potter
Lego Batman
Skylanders
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Spectrobes
etc.etc.etc.


i have to say skylanders was pretty neat
 
2012-06-06 10:52:31 AM
I spend more time playing games I bought from gog.com for $5 than anything else. I guess this is what getting old feels like. It's okay. At least I don't have to scrounge for beer money anymore.
 
2012-06-06 10:53:43 AM

Jamesac68: Tokyo Jungle- Animals take over Tokyo after humanity disappears one day. Unlock new species as you play. The guy demo-ing was playing as a pomeranian and got eaten by a tiger.


Oohhh, that's the one that has elephants on skates!

images.gamenguide.com
/hot
//pity it's a PS3-only game
 
2012-06-06 10:55:42 AM

MadMattressMack: thecpt: steam

That sounds like a computer issue. I go from off to in game menu for Diablo 3 in under 2 minutes on mine. And that's including the extra time to load the RAID controller. It's an older rig running on a Q6600 I bought in 2007. That's a 5 year old CPU. And it's still 2 hardware generations ahead of the Xbox 360.

My Comcast HD DVR takes at least 5 minutes to go from power off to menus populated.


No i meant its faster to get to a game via steam than it is to turn on my tv and get to a channel I want. And I'm running on a 2009 ideapad. Also takes less time (and considerably less effort) for me to turn on my PS3 (which automatically turns on my tv and sets it to the right input) and get to the MLB game I want to watch. Counting in my head thats four total button hits and three dpad hits. (PS button, X, over over down, X, X)

Its both sad that it works that way, and sad I have it memorized
 
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