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(US Army)   68 years ago today, over 160,000 Allied soldiers under Eisenhower's command stormed the beaches of Normandy to teach Hitler what happens when you let your guard down while fighting the United States of America   (army.mil ) divider line
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2012-06-06 11:55:18 AM  

Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.


So if the US and allies never pushed back into Western Europe, USSR would have not only survived, but defeated Nazi Germany.
 
2012-06-06 11:55:24 AM  
I think the constant bombing of German industry by the Brits and Americans had a little something to do with defeating Germany, too.
 
2012-06-06 11:56:09 AM  
Yes, Russia pretty much won the war by themselves. I've played a lot of ASL, Third Reich and World in Flames and I know what I am talking about. All we did was send them trucks and a few radios, stuff they could have made themselves, but didnt. And it wasn't just the Nazis that they beat. WWII was actually five different wars all put together and the Russian war was Russia vs ALL of Europe.

If you don't think so, consider that by June 1944, the Germans were already kicked out of the original Russian border and the front was moving west. This is before any trrops landed in France.
 
2012-06-06 11:56:11 AM  

CheatCommando: Wenchmaster: but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt

With a hell of a lot of Allied equipment and raw materials. If the Kriegsmarine had won the Battle of the Atlantic, the outcome would have been much different. It really was a joint effort, but the Russians did do a disproportionate share of the bleeding.


and the assistance of one of the nastiest Russian winters on record.
 
2012-06-06 11:56:43 AM  

Slaxl: Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.

What I want to say is that we shouldn't argue over who did more, but rather recognise that everyone did their part and that is more important than anything, it was the whole force of the United Nations that won, not one single nation. However what I am going to say is fark Russia because they started WW2 by agreeing to carve up Poland with the Nazis. If ever there was a regime more evil than the Nazis it was the Soviet Union. I just wish Stalin died a more painful death than Hitler.

Then let's look at why the USSR survived, masses of aid from the west plus weather and still they came within a gnats wing of collapsing. They were a mess and deserve no praise or sympathy.


Let's also add the difference between defending your motherland and liberating other countries. The Russians marched to Berlin they just forgot to give the rest of those countries back.
 
2012-06-06 11:57:02 AM  
Ah, the good old days, when US "defense" forces were actually defending, instead of offending.
 
2012-06-06 11:57:03 AM  
I had the honor of taking care of a Vet that stormed Normandy when I was in med school. On the wall of his hospital room, he had an old newspaper story about his part. He was one of the first off his boat that didn't get mowed down. He threw his body over a line of barbed wire. Everyone in his boat and a couple of others used his body as a bridge to advance up the beach. He had some impressive scars.
 
2012-06-06 11:57:13 AM  

Mentat: Wenchmaster: Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.

Well, I'm glad we were able to "help out" by keeping the Allied cause afloat with money and material, opening up the Western Front, liberating France, fighting in North Africa, conquering Italy, etc etc etc.

Enough with the "X really won the war crap". We all did it, together. If any of the Allies had faltered, the entire alliance would have collapsed.


Yeah, I seem to remember it being a team effort - hence the term "The Allies".

Not to mention, the Soviets simply could not have expelled the Nazis from the Ukraine and taken Berlin w/o the 15 million boots, 400,000 trucks, food, the design to the T-34 tank*, and various other supplies we gave them. Oh yeah, I don't recall too much help from the Soviets in the Pacific.

/*OK, they stole that one from us fair and square
//actually a really good lesson to engineers on why you shouldn't be an arrogant jerk to your customers
 
2012-06-06 11:57:40 AM  

Lando Lincoln: My great uncle stormed the beach of Normandy. He was six foot seven, if not more. A huge, hulking beast of a man. For the life of me, I still don't understand how the Germans managed to miss picking him off.

Never met a guy that hated "krauts" more than him. But he earned the right to say whatever the hell he wanted about them.



Cheesy question:

Did he refuse to drink German beer after the war?

/Some great personal stories in this thread.
//Thanks to everyone for sharing.
 
2012-06-06 11:57:42 AM  

CrazyCracka420: So if the US and allies never pushed back into Western Europe, USSR would have not only survived, but defeated Nazi Germany.


Yes.
 
2012-06-06 11:58:00 AM  
www.dudelol.com
 
2012-06-06 11:58:11 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.

So if the US and allies never pushed back into Western Europe, USSR would have not only survived, but defeated Nazi Germany.


...and rolled on into West Germany, the Benelux countries and France...

//it just would have taken a bit longer.
 
2012-06-06 11:58:37 AM  

farkityfarker: Ah, the good old days, when US "defense" forces were actually defending, instead of offending.


I don't think the US army has been used for defensive purposes since the Civil War, honestly.
 
2012-06-06 11:58:37 AM  

Nightsweat: I think the constant bombing of German industry by the Brits and Americans had a little something to do with defeating Germany, too.


Not if you believe the revisionist in this thread.
Settle down, people, there was plenty of violence and killing for everyone. Still is.
 
2012-06-06 11:58:41 AM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

Excellent new history of ww2 that re-evaluates many events and battles. One of the authors themes was that since the Nazis were so monstrously cruel and vicious, only an equally vicious and cruel force could really grind them down -- and grind them down the Russians did, make no mistake. Good book.
 
2012-06-06 11:58:51 AM  

hugram: Meanwhile, Mitt had (or has) a fund-raising dinner at a Texan mansion that has a painting of Hitler.


[Citation Needed]
 
2012-06-06 11:59:00 AM  
2nd entry is a "The Russians won the war!!1!" troll. Not even a joke, just a troll.

Sorry not gonna bite.

Thank you to all those who sacrificed so much at Normandy. Thank you to all the French people who fought the Nazis--even when, in the case of the Communists, it cost them terribly at the hands of the Gestapo and after the war at the hands of the French government--and made it possible for Normandy to succeed.

A shout out to the 8th Army Air Force who guaranteed us complete air supremacy at the cost of 100,000 American (and British) flyers.

And big thank you to the man who really made it possible for the Allies to win the war. That syphilis-infected, doped up idiot Adolph Hitler himself. He was the guy who ordered the first jet fighter to be used as a bomber. He ordered hundreds of thousands of Wehrmacht and Waffen SS troops into a winter counter-offensive that had no chance of success and cost Nazi Germany enormously.

Thanks, Adolph. We couldn't have won without all your help.
 
2012-06-06 11:59:05 AM  
I love WWII threads. Men far to young to have been born at the time speak boldy in fact of things they know would or would not have happened blessed by hindsight and the unshakable belief in it being 20/20. If it wasn't for the Modovians, why, you'd all be speaking German right now!
 
2012-06-06 11:59:40 AM  
Today is my burfday, and I am thankful that I get to live life during a relatively peaceful time.
 
2012-06-06 12:00:30 PM  

Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.


We farked up. The Normandy invasion should have been the prelude to invading what was left of Russia.

/Patton was right.
 
2012-06-06 12:00:41 PM  

beta_plus: Mentat: Wenchmaster: Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.

Well, I'm glad we were able to "help out" by keeping the Allied cause afloat with money and material, opening up the Western Front, liberating France, fighting in North Africa, conquering Italy, etc etc etc.

Enough with the "X really won the war crap". We all did it, together. If any of the Allies had faltered, the entire alliance would have collapsed.

Yeah, I seem to remember it being a team effort - hence the term "The Allies".

Not to mention, the Soviets simply could not have expelled the Nazis from the Ukraine and taken Berlin w/o the 15 million boots, 400,000 trucks, food, the design to the T-34 tank*, and various other supplies we gave them. Oh yeah, I don't recall too much help from the Soviets in the Pacific.

/*OK, they stole that one from us fair and square//actually a really good lesson to engineers on why you shouldn't be an arrogant jerk to your customers


You mean the christie suspension system that the army didn't want to buy (because...well who knows, army ordnance at that time did some bone headed shiat)?
 
2012-06-06 12:01:06 PM  

DamnYankees: CrazyCracka420: So if the US and allies never pushed back into Western Europe, USSR would have not only survived, but defeated Nazi Germany.

Yes.


Um, NO. The USSR deserves full credit for stopping Hitler in his tracks at Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad. But the USSR simply did not have the resources to push the Nazis back very much due to much of their industry being located in the occupied Ukraine.

Hitler was stopped at Stalingrad, but he was defeated in Detroit.
 
2012-06-06 12:01:15 PM  
Into the jaws of death
go-redsox.net

The 82nd and 101st airborne get a lot of press, and righfully so, but the guys who actually stormed the beaches and saw their buddies getting picked off left and right had to have been scared shiatless
 
2012-06-06 12:01:29 PM  
Is Michael Bay the submitter???
 
2012-06-06 12:02:00 PM  
It's questionable whether the Soviets could have built up and conducted the huge offensives they did in 1942, 1943 and 1944 without the supplies the US sent them, though. Before 1942 Soviet offensives were limited in size due to their lack of reliable logistic transportation and the physical capability of their tank crews. The T-34 and its variants, for example, had zero consideration for its crew, to the point that the crews were completely incapable of fighting after they had advanced about 100 miles. The Sherman, OTOH, kept their crews less fatigued, didn't break down as much, and could keep their advances moving a lot further.

Once US support, especially food, trucks, to a lesser extent tanks, and other supplies began arriving in sufficient numbers, their offensives were able to break through the German front lines and totally disrupt the entire front. Without our help, it's possible that the Eastern Front could have turned into a big bloody stalemate.
 
2012-06-06 12:02:14 PM  

DamnYankees: CrazyCracka420: So if the US and allies never pushed back into Western Europe, USSR would have not only survived, but defeated Nazi Germany.

Yes.


I hope you're trolling. The Germans would have easily stalled them. There would have been a nasty fight, but they could have stalled them.

Also: Strategic bombing, lend-lease, etc.
 
2012-06-06 12:02:50 PM  

hugram: Meanwhile, Mitt had (or has) a fund-raising dinner at a Texan mansion that has a painting of Hitler.



LOL what?
 
2012-06-06 12:02:56 PM  
Yes, of course subby. Only America defeated the Nazis. Whatever would the world do without the United States of America?

/puke
 
2012-06-06 12:03:11 PM  

beta_plus: I don't recall too much help from the Soviets in the Pacific.


With the war in Europe over, the Soviets declared war on Japan, drove them out of Manchuria, Korea and Sakhalin. They definitely helped.
 
2012-06-06 12:03:11 PM  

Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets Russian winter who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.


Take your own advice, bub.
 
2012-06-06 12:03:17 PM  

Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who harsh weather conditions and sheer size of the USSR that ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.


It's kinda fun/scary to think what the world would be like today had Hitler decided to stop expanding before invading the USSR.
 
2012-06-06 12:03:22 PM  

Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.


Without the Western Allies -and specifically the manufacturing base of the US - the Soviets would have fallen no later than 1943. No one faction of the allies can claim the lion's share of the victory; the most you could possibly say is that the USSR paid the highest price in lives) to achieve it.
 
2012-06-06 12:03:28 PM  
Thanks to all who participated in D-Day, not sure how many of them made up the beaches dragging their HUGE brass balls.
 
2012-06-06 12:03:30 PM  
CSB:

One of my father's friends was part of the invasion, he later served at the headquarters set up in the Palace of Versailles, he never told war stories of combat, but he enjoyed telling stories of drag racing Jeeps inside the palace, and the brothels he visited in Paris. He passed away last winter truly a great man.

/CSB

/My grandfather served on a Destroyer Escort in the pacific he never mentioned his service, my other grandfather was 4F so he built halftracks at the Studebaker factory.
 
2012-06-06 12:03:34 PM  

DamnYankees: No, they definitely would have lost the war. Do some research on the Eastern Front. By the winter of 1944, the Nazis were toast.


Interesting that you've decided to pretty much ignore the contributions of the English and Americans bombing most of Germany's heavy industry back into the Stone Age and dominated the Kreigsmarine enough to supply Russia with the supplies they needed to even survive to 1944.

Just because you once upon a time read a stat that said armies were here and this many guys died there doesn't mean the Sovs won the war or would have won the war on their own. They needed an assload of help (you know, like the Allied invasion of Italy that stripped off a few dozen divisions from Germany's Barbarossa campaign for just one example) in order to even survive to 1944.

The story is a lot more complex than your "research" uncovered.
 
2012-06-06 12:04:05 PM  

Madbassist1: Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets Russian winter who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.

Take your own advice, bub.


6 seconds you bastard.
 
2012-06-06 12:04:11 PM  

beta_plus: DamnYankees: CrazyCracka420: So if the US and allies never pushed back into Western Europe, USSR would have not only survived, but defeated Nazi Germany.

Yes.

Um, NO. The USSR deserves full credit for stopping Hitler in his tracks at Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad. But the USSR simply did not have the resources to push the Nazis back very much due to much of their industry being located in the occupied Ukraine.

Hitler was stopped at Stalingrad, but he was defeated in Detroit.


What are you talking about? You are aware that the Soviets pushed all the way to Berlin, right? By the time of D-Day, they were already outside of Russia and pushing into German territory.
 
2012-06-06 12:04:37 PM  

Jubeebee: Mentat: DamnYankees: Thrilled or not, it was true. Had we lost at the battle of the Ardennes, the Nazis still would have lost the war. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Soldiers die all the time in battles and wars which in retrospect weren't necessary, or at least as necessary as they are made out to be at the time.

So why did we even bother with the war? The Brits could have hunkered down, we could have focused entirely on the Japanese, and Russia could have won the war single-handedly.

Soviet Mother Russia win because she have more men than Nazi German have bullet. Is foolproof strategy.

But... capitalist aeroplane bombs make sure German have not quite so many bullet. And some German bullet did get use on bourgeoisie invader in West and Africa.

If not, maybe Nazi German have more bullet than Mother Russia have men. Is mystery. Is good we do not no, yes?


I read this in the Boris Badenov voice. It worked.
 
2012-06-06 12:05:29 PM  

Wenchmaster: Correction, Subby:

"... to teach Hitler what happens when you get bogged down fighting the Russians in Eastern Europe and forget to watch your back door in western Europe."

Americans really need to pay closer attention to history (not the "History Channel"). The USSR beat the Germans in WWII. The other Allies just helped out. The Poles, Brits, French, Canadians, Americans, and Aussies all fought very hard, but it was the Soviets who ground the Nazi war machine into the dirt.


Actually, you need to pay a lot more attention to history. You fail at understanding supply and its impact to the war.
 
2012-06-06 12:05:49 PM  
Or, as Pat Buchanan calls it, "The Unnecessary War."

Link
 
2012-06-06 12:05:52 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Excellent new history of ww2 that re-evaluates many events and battles. One of the authors themes was that since the Nazis were so monstrously cruel and vicious, only an equally vicious and cruel force could really grind them down -- and grind them down the Russians did, make no mistake. Good book.


Hope it goes in depth into the Lend-Lease Act and follow through. The Russians would not have been able to be very effective in the war without it.
 
2012-06-06 12:06:54 PM  
I was married in France on June 7th a long time ago. I wanted June 6th but couldn't, it was a Friday and apparently they only get married on Saturdays. The sad part was they did not recognize the June 6th American guy invading France and getting the women reference.

/don't speak french so I really don't know what was going on in that church.
//it was a church right?
 
2012-06-06 12:07:04 PM  

CrazyCracka420: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


"back to back world war champs hat"

Actually I would consider the USA to be more like a closer in baseball. Russia, Britain, Canada, France etc. were the starting lineup and deserve just as much credit in my opinion.
 
2012-06-06 12:07:10 PM  

craig328: DamnYankees: No, they definitely would have lost the war. Do some research on the Eastern Front. By the winter of 1944, the Nazis were toast.

Interesting that you've decided to pretty much ignore the contributions of the English and Americans bombing most of Germany's heavy industry back into the Stone Age and dominated the Kreigsmarine enough to supply Russia with the supplies they needed to even survive to 1944.

Just because you once upon a time read a stat that said armies were here and this many guys died there doesn't mean the Sovs won the war or would have won the war on their own. They needed an assload of help (you know, like the Allied invasion of Italy that stripped off a few dozen divisions from Germany's Barbarossa campaign for just one example) in order to even survive to 1944.

The story is a lot more complex than your "research" uncovered.


What does any of this have to do with what I was responding to? He made a specific claim about the Battle of the Bulge, and you talked about tons of other crap that had nothing to do with the point I was making.
 
2012-06-06 12:07:41 PM  

CavalierEternal: beta_plus: I don't recall too much help from the Soviets in the Pacific.

With the war in Europe over, the Soviets declared war on Japan, drove them out of Manchuria, Korea and Sakhalin. They definitely helped.


Oh, yeah, I'm well aware of that. However, that was 2 days after we nuked Hiroshima and about the same time we nuked Nagasaki. A bit too fair weather if you ask me.

Their proportional contribution to the Pacific War compared to America's in Europe is pretty small.
 
2012-06-06 12:07:50 PM  

Slaxl: However what I am going to say is fark Russia.....Then let's look at why the USSR survived, masses of aid from the west plus weather and still they came within a gnats wing of collapsing. They were a mess and deserve no praise or sympathy.


23,000,000

That's how many people died in the Soviet Union during WWII.

/works out to about 14% of their 1939 population
//more than the combined deaths(of all countries involved) for WWI during the war
 
2012-06-06 12:08:13 PM  

mudesi: Yes, of course subby. Only America defeated the Nazis. Whatever would the world do without the United States of America?

/puke


I'm impressed with how easily you barf in a free forum provided by a free login by a free site in the US. How else could you do that? Snail mail? That would be gross.
 
2012-06-06 12:08:47 PM  

The_Sponge: Cheesy question:

Did he refuse to drink German beer after the war?



Don't know about him, but my 98 year old grandmother couldn't believe my father would buy a German car or that his sister would buy a Japanese car. When my father and I were car shopping for her in 1995 I would call him up and say "I found a nice Toyota" his response would be "Remember who we are buying this for." She stopped driving last December so anyone need a 1995 Mercury Sable with 28,000 miles.
 
2012-06-06 12:08:51 PM  
I post this pic of Piper Bill Millin on D-Day. He passed away a couple of years ago.

i.telegraph.co.uk

He went ashore, I believe on the first wave, armed with a dagger and his bagpipes. I think his commanding officer Lord Lovat is the solitary man in the water to the right of his men. Lovat carried a lever-action Winchester.

You can read about how he played his pipes throughout the day here. Just keep your knees close together and think of the largest bottle of Brasso you can imagine.
 
2012-06-06 12:09:27 PM  
There was a war in the pacific? Who knew? Bunch of goddamned useless islands. farking mosquitoes! Thanks gramps.
 
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