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(Headline News TV)   Will Jerry Sandusky get an unbiased jury? Subby guesses that depends on whether convicted child molesters can serve on juries or not   (hlntv.com) divider line 37
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2012-06-06 08:11:20 AM  
I'm no law-talking guy but in a case involving criminal acts by a staffer of a university where the defense will no doubt refer to a lack of action by said university to prevent the crimes how in the everloving blue fark does a current university student AND a former university professor both make it through voir dire and get seated on the jury?

That being said, points for style to potential jurors trying to get an instant "get out of duty free" ticket by wearing Penn State gear to the jury pool.
 
2012-06-06 08:12:55 AM  
Sorry, rather than "lack of action by said university to prevent the crimes" I should have said something like "lack of action after said crimes were reported to university officials to prevent future crimes"
 
2012-06-06 08:24:27 AM  
Still hope the guy roasts, but I have a bad feeling he'll get off (no pun intended) because of the jury.
 
2012-06-06 08:25:46 AM  
Well, it is supposed to be a jury of his peers ;)
 
2012-06-06 10:29:52 AM  
The Penn State fans think that the Sandusky scandal rapidly sped up the death of JoePa. Since JoePa is like a god to the hard-core fans, I'd think they are just waiting to send him to pound-me-in-the-ass prison, where Sandusky can find out what "horseplay" feels like when its happening to him.
 
2012-06-06 10:33:54 AM  
who cares?

/i understand the point of a jury trail, but the evidence is piling up pretty high here...
 
2012-06-06 10:34:50 AM  
That's why it was such a win for the defense when the Judge ruled to keep the trial in that county. Chances are MUCH higher that jurors will have some connection to the university.

Unfortunately for Jerry, the Feds are hovering because of Victim number 4, who was taken across state lines. Yesterday it was confirmed that Sandusky's attorneys received a federal "target" letter. He may beat the local rap, but if he does the Feds will make sure he doesn't escape them.
 
2012-06-06 10:39:27 AM  
Look we need to declare Jerry innocent to protect the legacy of JoePa. It is every Pennsylvania citizens duty to protect the good name of Paterno. If we have to sacrifice a few kids, so be it. Besides they are adults now. Get over it.
 
2012-06-06 10:50:35 AM  
Living in Pittsburgh, and yesterday the local news had a "new special"...where they parked outside of the courthouse during jury selection (cameras weren't allowed inside), talked to a defense attorney about strategies and gave updates as to what the jurors who were selected looked like (white) and their personal lives. This went on for an HOUR. Riveting. Anyway, I remember one of the jurors selected is apparently the wife of a key witness in this case. How can that possibly be unbiased?
 
2012-06-06 11:50:18 AM  
I'm glad the latest requests to delay the trial were denied.

The sooner he starts his life sentence, the better.
 
2012-06-06 11:52:51 AM  

bborchar: Anyway, I remember one of the jurors selected is apparently the wife of a key witness in this case. How can that possibly be unbiased?


Obviously you're not married. People don't talk to their spouse after a couple of years.
 
2012-06-06 12:12:10 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm no law-talking guy but in a case involving criminal acts by a staffer of a university where the defense will no doubt refer to a lack of action by said university to prevent the crimes how in the everloving blue fark does a current university student AND a former university professor both make it through voir dire and get seated on the jury?

That being said, points for style to potential jurors trying to get an instant "get out of duty free" ticket by wearing Penn State gear to the jury pool.


My understanding is that the prosecutor pushed to have jurors from State College disqualified and lost. So now the jury is mostly Penn State affiliated either directly or through a family member.

/so that's good
 
2012-06-06 12:16:16 PM  

A Fark Handle: who cares?

/i understand the point of a jury trail, but the evidence is piling up pretty high here...


The defense is going to attack the credibility of the witnesses. And the witnesses were denied the ability to use pseudonyms, so we'll get to hear many fun things about their personal lives that will be on the public record and in the court of public opinion for ever. It's going to be "Beloved Coach and Philanthropist" versus the "Money-Grubbing Poor Kids."

/you suck, Penn State
 
2012-06-06 12:17:15 PM  

WhiskeySticks: bborchar: Anyway, I remember one of the jurors selected is apparently the wife of a key witness in this case. How can that possibly be unbiased?

Obviously you're not married. People don't talk to their spouse after a couple of years.


Been with mine for 12 years...and he still tells me any juicy thing that has happened at work.
 
2012-06-06 12:17:28 PM  
cat $previouspost > perl -e s/witnesses/victims/g > $newpost

/don't even know if that'll work
//rusty
 
2012-06-06 12:51:43 PM  
I just think it's in poor taste that instead of the typical 'courtroom doll', they're using a nittany lion doll...

ethoctransibit.files.wordpress.com
"Show me on this lion where he touched you."
 
2012-06-06 01:11:31 PM  

WhiskeySticks: bborchar: Anyway, I remember one of the jurors selected is apparently the wife of a key witness in this case. How can that possibly be unbiased?

Obviously you're not married. People don't talk to their spouse after a couple of years.


Been married 23 years. I just spoke to my wife this morning.
And when I say "spoke to", I mean, bang her silly.
 
2012-06-06 01:15:15 PM  
C'MON, GRAHAM! JUST SAY HE'S GUILTY AND GET IT OVER WITH!

Uh, Nancy? That didn't work for Casey Anthony or John Edwards...

HE'S GUILTY! AND YOU'RE GUILTY, TOO!

Of what, Nancy?

DOESN'T MATTER! GUILTY!
 
2012-06-06 01:29:38 PM  
The defense's plan has been to get jurors with ties to Penn State, thinking they'll be more likely to support Sandusky. That would be hard NOT to do almost anywhere in PA, let alone Centre county. The catch is, Penn State alums are the LAST people who are going to give Sandusky the benefit of the doubt.
 
2012-06-06 01:44:12 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm no law-talking guy but in a case involving criminal acts by a staffer of a university where the defense will no doubt refer to a lack of action by said university to prevent the crimes how in the everloving blue fark does a current university student AND a former university professor both make it through voir dire and get seated on the jury?


It's almost like the judge and attorneys trust people to have free will and a a conscience and the ability to follow instructions. Honest question - do you really think if people hear a parade of credible evidence they would vote not guilty because of their favorite football team? I'm as cynical as they come but I don;t buy that for a second.
 
2012-06-06 01:54:03 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Honest question - do you really think if people hear a parade of credible evidence they would vote not guilty because of their favorite football team?


Before this debacle I'd have said "Obviously." Then the students of Penn State rioted over Joe Paterno's firing. Now I'll believe anything. Not to mention all the "We shouldn't let these kids destroy Penn State's grand name" Farkers that were around here during those threads.

/for farking football
//I don't get it
 
2012-06-06 02:18:24 PM  

blackminded: Before this debacle I'd have said "Obviously." Then the students of Penn State rioted over Joe Paterno's firing. Now I'll believe anything. Not to mention all the "We shouldn't let these kids destroy Penn State's grand name" Farkers that were around here during those threads.

/for farking football
//I don't get it



Meh. Seven stages of grief and all that. You could take those same kids and stick them in the jury box while a parade of people get on the witness stand and say they were assfarked by Sandusky as children and they'll vote to convict all day long. People are making too much of the venue. If history has shown us anything it's that entirely too many people are willing to convict on this particular issue with no evidence at all, not the other way around. I'm pretty confident Sandusky wll go down if there's compelling, credible testimony from even a single victim.
 
2012-06-06 02:45:25 PM  

blackminded: /you suck, Penn State


Penn State controls the Superior Court? Wow I was not the person who was aware of this issue.
 
2012-06-06 03:49:39 PM  

LarryDan43: Look we need to declare Jerry innocent to protect the legacy of JoePa. It is every Pennsylvania citizens duty to protect the good name of Paterno. If we have to sacrifice a few kids, so be it. Besides they are adults now. Get over it.



Change of venue. The case will likely move to some random town in "middle of nowhere", PA..or to another state. If he does go free (and I doubt he will) it won't becuase of connections to the school.
 
2012-06-06 04:50:03 PM  
I still don't understand how the GODDAMNED undergrad got on the jury.

/PSU grad student
//Half-hoped to get on the jury, just for the experience
 
2012-06-06 06:06:24 PM  

mrtoadswildride: LarryDan43: Look we need to declare Jerry innocent to protect the legacy of JoePa. It is every Pennsylvania citizens duty to protect the good name of Paterno. If we have to sacrifice a few kids, so be it. Besides they are adults now. Get over it.


Change of venue. The case will likely move to some random town in "middle of nowhere", PA..or to another state. If he does go free (and I doubt he will) it won't becuase of connections to the school.


That's already been shot down by the judge. It's looking like 8 out of the 12 jurors have some connection to PSU, some have VERY close ties. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jerry walk.

The Feds are going to nail him, however, if he gets off here.
 
2012-06-06 06:53:34 PM  

Orgasmatron138: 8 out of the 12 jurors have some connection to PSU, some have VERY close ties. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jerry walk.


Why the fark would you say that? You think because people live near, or work at, or root for penn state football they would vote 'not guilty' after seeing evidence of child molestation? I guess the mere fact that you would make that insinuation is proof that such partisanship exists. Personally I think you are nuts. If this trial brings forth half the witnesses we've been led to believe there are there's not a court in the land that would set him free.
 
2012-06-06 07:38:53 PM  

IlGreven: C'MON, GRAHAM! JUST SAY HE'S GUILTY AND GET IT OVER WITH!

Uh, Nancy? That didn't work for Casey Anthony or John Edwards...

HE'S GUILTY! AND YOU'RE GUILTY, TOO!

Of what, Nancy?

DOESN'T MATTER! GUILTY!


I truly enjoy that fark let's you favorite and tag farkers so you have some future reference for a post such as this. And in your case I have you tagged as "Sandusky defending pedo". And what do you know, you're still exactly what I tagged you with months ago. But keep pretending you just care about innocent until proven guilty, and not that you are either; A: a pedo, or B: a classless Penn State alum.
 
2012-06-06 07:41:41 PM  
I guess I don't understand why people think he will walk because of his ties to Penn State...he pretty much sank the university's reputation, JoePa and his own charity single-handedly. Why would someone who lives there and lives/breathes Penn State want to see him walk? I think most Penn Staters just want all of this to go away so they can rebuild.
 
2012-06-06 07:51:06 PM  

bborchar: I guess I don't understand why people think he will walk because of his ties to Penn State...


Because, ironically, they themselves are guilty of the same blind partisanship that they are projecting onto the prospective jurors.

/not a penn state fan
 
2012-06-06 09:21:34 PM  

dirkfunk: IlGreven: C'MON, GRAHAM! JUST SAY HE'S GUILTY AND GET IT OVER WITH!

Uh, Nancy? That didn't work for Casey Anthony or John Edwards...

HE'S GUILTY! AND YOU'RE GUILTY, TOO!

Of what, Nancy?

DOESN'T MATTER! GUILTY!

I truly enjoy that fark let's you favorite and tag farkers so you have some future reference for a post such as this. And in your case I have you tagged as "Sandusky defending pedo". And what do you know, you're still exactly what I tagged you with months ago. But keep pretending you just care about innocent until proven guilty, and not that you are either; A: a pedo, or B: a classless Penn State alum.


Based on what I've read to date I think sandusky is guilty. But I also think he should enjoy the presumption of innocence until he has had his day in court. Should I be labeled a sandusky defending pedo as well?
 
2012-06-06 10:18:55 PM  

JohnBigBootay: dirkfunk: IlGreven: C'MON, GRAHAM! JUST SAY HE'S GUILTY AND GET IT OVER WITH!

Uh, Nancy? That didn't work for Casey Anthony or John Edwards...

HE'S GUILTY! AND YOU'RE GUILTY, TOO!

Of what, Nancy?

DOESN'T MATTER! GUILTY!

I truly enjoy that fark let's you favorite and tag farkers so you have some future reference for a post such as this. And in your case I have you tagged as "Sandusky defending pedo". And what do you know, you're still exactly what I tagged you with months ago. But keep pretending you just care about innocent until proven guilty, and not that you are either; A: a pedo, or B: a classless Penn State alum.

Based on what I've read to date I think sandusky is guilty. But I also think he should enjoy the presumption of innocence until he has had his day in court. Should I be labeled a sandusky defending pedo as well?


Jerry Sandusky should be entitled to all of the legal protections and due process afforded to him legally. He is getting that and more, considering that he is at home sitting in his couch, not rotting in a jail cell waiting for trial. However, the media and individuals are entitled to form opinions on a person based on overwhelming evidence. I can't think of a criminal case where there was more publicly available information that universally showed the guilt of an individual. I think individuals and the media should have some restraint in cases like the duke lacross case with very little evidence. A current example would be the "bath salts"/zombie media frenzy, where they should probably confirm the presence of the drug before jumping to conclusions.

As to whether you deserve a label, I would say your responses in the thread are consistent with someone with reasonable reservation about labeling someone a criminal. However, I would ask how often you invest your time in the protection of the accused. Are you posting in the threads about the mom with an unbuckled toddler? After all she is due her day in court before we can call her a lazy, shiatty mother. Will you post in the next "husband kills wife, dismembers body" thread about the presumed innocents of the husband? If the answer to those is yes, then I just consider you to be an overzealous defender of criminal defendants. If the answer is no, then I question your motive for defending a person who so clearly is a serial child predator.
 
2012-06-07 12:38:11 AM  

dirkfunk: As to whether you deserve a label, I would say your responses in the thread are consistent with someone with reasonable reservation about labeling someone a criminal. However, I would ask how often you invest your time in the protection of the accused.


I am always, always, always wary of mob mentality. The way I figure it, they have the guy. There is plenty of time to burn the witch - he ain't going anywhere. I'm old. I've been pretty damn sure people were guilty plenty of times only to soften my stance later when either exonerating evidence or extenuating circumstances were uncovered later on. Look at kobe. Is he 'innocent'? I don't know. But I do know stuff came out at the trial that showed things in an entirely different light and, unfortunately for her, really undermined the credibility of the witness. That's why I'm cautionary about the roethlisberger thing. He's a douche and acted wrongly - no question. But there was no trial - we have absolutely no idea what would have come out had there been a trial. We think we know but we don't. Maybe there would have been kobe-like revelations. Or maybe she just didn't want to deal with it and the DA was under budgetary constraints and afraid to take on a big time attorney. We just don't know and I won't hazard a guess. Now on Sandusky I'm as sure as I can be he's guilty. I'll be shocked if he's not. But like I said - I've been shocked before. Don't expect to be shocked this time... but we never do. He ain't going anywhere, We'll know definitively soon enough.
 
2012-06-07 06:38:53 AM  

JohnBigBootay: dirkfunk: IlGreven: C'MON, GRAHAM! JUST SAY HE'S GUILTY AND GET IT OVER WITH!

Uh, Nancy? That didn't work for Casey Anthony or John Edwards...

HE'S GUILTY! AND YOU'RE GUILTY, TOO!

Of what, Nancy?

DOESN'T MATTER! GUILTY!

I truly enjoy that fark let's you favorite and tag farkers so you have some future reference for a post such as this. And in your case I have you tagged as "Sandusky defending pedo". And what do you know, you're still exactly what I tagged you with months ago. But keep pretending you just care about innocent until proven guilty, and not that you are either; A: a pedo, or B: a classless Penn State alum.

Based on what I've read to date I think sandusky is guilty. But I also think he should enjoy the presumption of innocence until he has had his day in court. Should I be labeled a sandusky defending pedo as well?


Another farker white knighting for child touchers. Burn him!

/but yeah, guilty as hell
//he does deserve his day in court, though
 
2012-06-07 12:31:54 PM  

dirkfunk: I truly enjoy that fark let's you favorite and tag farkers so you have some future reference for a post such as this. And in your case I have you tagged as "Sandusky defending pedo".


Ah, okay, so I can just ignore you, right?

/Because saying Joe Paterno got a bum rap such that Andrew Breitbart's death thread was more civil than JoePa's is exactly the same as defending Jerry Sandusky.
//And because anyone who deigns to defend either is automatically a pedo.
 
2012-06-07 12:34:25 PM  

IlGreven: dirkfunk: I truly enjoy that fark let's you favorite and tag farkers so you have some future reference for a post such as this. And in your case I have you tagged as "Sandusky defending pedo".

Ah, okay, so I can just ignore you, right?

/Because saying Joe Paterno got a bum rap such that Andrew Breitbart's death thread was more civil than JoePa's is exactly the same as defending Jerry Sandusky.
//And because anyone who deigns to defend either is automatically a pedo.


...or a Penn State alum.

/Go Buckeyes.
 
2012-06-07 12:40:09 PM  

blackminded: Before this debacle I'd have said "Obviously." Then the students of Penn State rioted over Joe Paterno's firing.


Because...yet again...defending Joe Paterno is exactly the same as defending Jerry Sandusky.

/One had his career torn down because he failed to act in a manner that Internet Tough Guys claim they would in a similar situation, and thus is now so reviled on FARK that Andrew Breitbart's death thread was more civil than his. The other actually did the diddling of the kiddies, though by the way some people talk, you'd never know it.
//But remember, if you deign to defend Paterno, you're a kiddy-diddling Penn State alum.
///Go Bucks.
 
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