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(All Voices)   Interesting question: "What would the US look like today if Gore had won the 2000 election?" Hmmm. Just thinking about it now... *cue harps* OOPS. A rainbow just shot out of my ass, reflected off my 401k and hit Dick Cheney in the face   (allvoices.com) divider line 99
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2012-06-06 08:02:41 AM  
"Millions of Americans dead after Crawford, Texas brush fire spirals out of control"
 
2012-06-06 08:09:35 AM  
That article was heavy on derp and weak reality.
 
2012-06-06 08:22:25 AM  
That's just a lot of speculative circle jerking.

/but yes, things would have been a lot better
 
2012-06-06 09:39:38 AM  
how would a rainbow reflect off of your 401k? and if al gore had won, why would you have reason to wish harm to dick cheney?
 
2012-06-06 09:46:49 AM  
Wow. We even get to go retro with enjoying liberal butthurt today.
 
2012-06-06 09:47:38 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "Millions of Americans dead after Crawford, Texas brush fire spirals out of control"


Done in one. Suck it, libs.
 
2012-06-06 09:47:59 AM  
And just imagine if those damn libs would have stayed out of Cheney's way!

bigpicture.typepad.com
 
2012-06-06 09:48:05 AM  
"if"?
 
2012-06-06 09:49:22 AM  
Is this a Marvel Universe "What If" series.

/Currently reading "The End", and was surprised that Bush and Cheney were in it.
 
2012-06-06 09:50:31 AM  

thomps: how would a rainbow reflect off of your 401k? and if al gore had won, why would you have reason to wish harm to dick cheney?


yeah I've always pictured my 401k as a matte dark gray
 
2012-06-06 09:51:04 AM  

Kome: "if"?


This
 
2012-06-06 09:51:39 AM  
If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, th... how does the rest of that go?

It's nice to postulate but I prefer to live in reality where we traded away freedoms for "feeling" safer and blowed up a lot of brown people but wonder why the rest of the world hates us while we push the "make the world hate us" lever to 11.
 
2012-06-06 09:52:33 AM  
Well for one thing we'd probably still have those billions we've pissed down a hole in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
2012-06-06 09:54:19 AM  
I don't think we can say that 9/11 wouldn't have happened, and that there wouldn't have been some sort of knee-jerk response in terms of legislation and the war in Afghanistan, or that the financial meltdown wouldn't have occurred.

We can say that we wouldn't have the war in Iraq, the Bush tax cuts, Medicare Part D, or No Child Left Behind.
 
2012-06-06 09:55:38 AM  

Old enough to know better: Well for one thing we'd probably still have those billions we've pissed down a hole in Afghanistan and Iraq.


Isn't it trillions? I try not to think about it...
 
2012-06-06 09:56:50 AM  
Gore did win the 2000 election.
 
2012-06-06 09:59:08 AM  

JesusJuice: Old enough to know better: Well for one thing we'd probably still have those billions we've pissed down a hole in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Isn't it trillions? I try not to think about it...


You're probably right. All those zeros just blur together after awhile.
 
2012-06-06 09:59:23 AM  
I don't even have to read the article to tell you that the world would be a better place today had Gore been elected.
 
2012-06-06 10:00:31 AM  
i don't know. why not meet me at the top of the world trade center and we can discuss it.
 
2012-06-06 10:01:37 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-06 10:02:06 AM  
Eh, there wouldn't have been a _huge_ difference. Not really that hard to figure out.

The 2001 WTC attacks would most definitely still have happened, there was essentially no warning there outside of a couple of blips on a radar covered almost solid with similar blips, and thus Afghanistan happens too. Ditto for PATRIOT and the Guantanamo Bay prison, those were bipartisan efforts with like 99% support on both sides.

Iraq probably not, so there's that. It was pushed primarily by forces inside the executive branch and Bush's people specifically.

2007/2008 financial crash was tied to business practices and deregulation going back to the late 80s, we've been setting that one up for a long time, so that would still definitely have happened. The time to fix a lot of the dodgier business practices was in the wake of the Enron scandal, at which time Gore was in office and showed no sign of giving a shiat, so it's not like he'd have made it a priority to tighten down on investment banking in office.

So that's 2/3 of the terrible shiat of the last administration still going down, plus whatever additional bullshiat a Gore administration would have added... which is kind of hard to pin down, beyond the general historical analogy that legacy presidents have always sucked and that description applies to Gore as well as Bush (or, later, Mrs. Clinton).
 
2012-06-06 10:02:23 AM  

Medical Toilet: Gore did win the 2000 election.


Not the Supreme Court election, which is apparently the only one that counts.
 
2012-06-06 10:03:11 AM  
Didn't read the article, but here's my guess:

9/11 still would have happened. The Afghan War still would have happened. Iraq, not do much. The surplus still would have evaporated, but the national debt wouldn't have gone into the stratosphere like it did under the GOP. Katrina still would have happened. The 2008 collapse still would have happened. We would have had more fiscal room to maneuver due to the lower debt, but as a Republican would likely have won the 2008 election (assuming a second Gore term), the GOP would have insisted on tax cuts to deal with the backbreaking $5 trillion debt.
 
2012-06-06 10:04:37 AM  
Tipper would have driven us batshiat with her crusade to put warning labels on MP3's.
 
2012-06-06 10:05:18 AM  
Kome: "if"?

 
2012-06-06 10:07:52 AM  
There would be less masseuses complaining Al Gore ejaculated on them, I guess?
 
2012-06-06 10:08:32 AM  

Mentat: Didn't read the article, but here's my guess:

9/11 still would have happened. The Afghan War still would have happened. Iraq, not do much. The surplus still would have evaporated, but the national debt wouldn't have gone into the stratosphere like it did under the GOP. Katrina still would have happened. The 2008 collapse still would have happened. We would have had more fiscal room to maneuver due to the lower debt, but as a Republican would likely have won the 2008 election (assuming a second Gore term), the GOP would have insisted on tax cuts to deal with the backbreaking $5 trillion debt.


If only. That article was breaded in derp, deep-fried in bubbling hurrrr, and basted with a crazy sauce. They claimed to use cognitive neuroscience to prove that Al Gore would have prevented 9/11. And that's all.
 
2012-06-06 10:09:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Ditto for PATRIOT and the Guantanamo Bay prison, those were bipartisan efforts with like 99% support on both sides.


See, I don't think you can even assume that. Congress would have passed anything that looked like it was fighting terrorism. I think whatever plan Gore and his advisors would have thought up would look very different from the plan Bush and his people thought up.
 
2012-06-06 10:09:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The 2001 WTC attacks would most definitely still have happened


I disagree, completely. In 98, Clinton was faced with the same intelligence about an impending attack targeting multiple airlines. He chose to increase security at all airports, and the attack never materialized. When Bush received the same intelligence, he did...nothing...and the attack happened.

I'm inclined to think that Gore (and anybody else) would have followed the Clinton example and stopped 9/11.
 
2012-06-06 10:09:55 AM  
I agree with what everyone else has said. The pipe dream of "Oh if only Al Gore won the presidency!!" is basically just that, a dream. I think that while the cast of characters may have changed, the script would stay the same. The financial collapse and the events leading up to 9/11 were years in the making, having a different freshman president in the oval office wouldn't change any of that.

Hopefully we'd have flying cars by now, though.
 
2012-06-06 10:10:01 AM  

Medical Toilet: Gore did win the 2000 election.


It's so cute that some of you still think this is true.
 
2012-06-06 10:12:30 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: There would be less masseuses complaining Al Gore ejaculated on them, I guess?


7/10. the bad grammar was a nice touch!
 
2012-06-06 10:12:32 AM  

King Something: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x339]


Yes, if there's one thing Democrats are good at it's stopping terrorist attacks from occurring within our own borders.

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-06 10:13:37 AM  

Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: King Something: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x339]

Yes, if there's one thing Democrats are good at it's stopping terrorist attacks from occurring within our own borders.

[i.imgur.com image 323x210]

[i.imgur.com image 263x192]


Are...are you joking?
 
2012-06-06 10:14:35 AM  
If Al Gore was awarded Presidency in 2000 the nation would still be wondering when we will elect our first black president.
 
2012-06-06 10:15:36 AM  

Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: King Something: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x339]

Yes, if there's one thing Democrats are good at it's stopping terrorist attacks from occurring within our own borders.

[i.imgur.com image 323x210]

[i.imgur.com image 263x192]


I have been assured that those attacks were perpetrated by white people, and therefore are not actually terrorism but patriotic duty worthy of praise and eagle tears.
 
2012-06-06 10:19:33 AM  

derpdeederp: /Currently reading "The End",


did you read the Hulk one yet. kind of messed up.
 
2012-06-06 10:20:27 AM  

Usurper4: Jim_Callahan: The 2001 WTC attacks would most definitely still have happened

I disagree, completely. In 98, Clinton was faced with the same intelligence about an impending attack targeting multiple airlines. He chose to increase security at all airports, and the attack never materialized. When Bush received the same intelligence, he did...nothing...and the attack happened.

I'm inclined to think that Gore (and anybody else) would have followed the Clinton example and stopped 9/11.


Unless he was going to go as far as putting armed air marshals on every single flight in the Eastern US for essentially forever, something so expensive that even after 9/11 it was never even considered, then the 9/11 attacks would not have been noticeably altered in outcome. Even now prevention primarily relies on the FBI and CIA intercepting communications or directly infiltrating terrorist organizations in one way or another, the kabuki theater at the airports themselves means less than nothing in terms of actual security.

And we didn't have significant intelligence regarding 9/11, at least nothing to distinguish it from 1000000 other potential threats to security.
 
2012-06-06 10:21:16 AM  

Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: King Something: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x339]

Yes, if there's one thing Democrats are good at it's stopping terrorist attacks from occurring within our own borders.

[i.imgur.com image 323x210]

[i.imgur.com image 263x192]


Wow, really? I'm sorry, did you want to compare death tolls, number of successful attacks vs attempts, or do you just want to STFU while adults are talking?
 
2012-06-06 10:21:33 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: King Something: [upload.wikimedia.org image 240x339]

Yes, if there's one thing Democrats are good at it's stopping terrorist attacks from occurring within our own borders.

[i.imgur.com image 323x210]

[i.imgur.com image 263x192]

I have been assured that those attacks were perpetrated by white people, and therefore are not actually terrorism but patriotic duty worthy of praise and eagle tears.


Exactly. We fought them over there so we didn't have to fight them over here.
 
2012-06-06 10:25:38 AM  

Usurper4: I disagree, completely. In 98, Clinton was faced with the same intelligence about an impending attack targeting multiple airlines. He chose to increase security at all airports, and the attack never materialized. When Bush received the same intelligence, he did...nothing...and the attack happened.

I'm inclined to think that Gore (and anybody else) would have followed the Clinton example and stopped 9/11.


You know what, I disagree with you - Clinton was in office for OK City Bombings and had intelligence and did nothing. He did nothing against the freighters that were bombed overseas. The only thing he did was create a knee jerk legislation in response to OK City which he didn't fund - which probably would have actually prevented 9/11 if it had been funded. (It is basically the older brother of what the Patriot Act was.)

9/11 would have happened. Bin Laden had been trying for too long to fail at that point.
 
2012-06-06 10:26:06 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Unless he was going to go as far as putting armed air marshals on every single flight in the Eastern US for essentially forever, something so expensive that even after 9/11 it was never even considered, then the 9/11 attacks would not have been noticeably altered in outcome. Even now prevention primarily relies on the FBI and CIA intercepting communications or directly infiltrating terrorist organizations in one way or another, the kabuki theater at the airports themselves means less than nothing in terms of actual security.

And we didn't have significant intelligence regarding 9/11, at least nothing to distinguish it from 1000000 other potential threats to security.


Air marshalls were as necessary to stop it as they were when Clinton was faced with the same threat in 98: not at all. All Clinton did was order the FAA to increase the use of metal detectors and searches: no attack. You do realize that, without the box cutters, the attacks would have failed, right?
 
2012-06-06 10:27:05 AM  
As a liberal, that article made my head hurt. We're to assume that the prevention of 9/11 comes down to one man's actions? Sure, right. The whole problem with recognizing the threats at the time was that the government was and is a massive beast whose different parts don't communicate well, don't react in a timely manner, and more often then not, important information is ignore, underutilized or misunderstood until it was too late.

I feel uncomfortable with the article's continued insistence on painting liberals as some how better then conservatives at handling complex problems. That could be true, but the author seemed to be doing one huge pat on the back all the way through his little thought process. That kind of behavior makes me uncomfortable. We can look at Tea Partiers and realize they're not particularly bright, but I got the impression that entire piece was written just so the writer could feel smug.

How about we have an article that looks at what the U.S. would be like now without the Bush tax cuts, the Iraq war (which itself includes the massive loss of life, torture and huge amounts of wasted money), a different Katrina response, a Supreme Court that does not have John Roberts on it and hell, lets assume 9/11 happened anyway. Would Gore have gotten Bin Laden rather then trying for a couple of months and then giving up? How would Gore have handled the financial meltdown that occurred in 2008 had he been re-elected?

What an idiotic article.
 
2012-06-06 10:27:48 AM  
Hillary Clinton would have beaten Gore like a rented mule in the 2004 Democratic presidential primary.
 
2012-06-06 10:29:44 AM  

skilbride: You know what, I disagree with you - Clinton was in office for OK City Bombings and had intelligence and did nothing. He did nothing against the freighters that were bombed overseas. The only thing he did was create a knee jerk legislation in response to OK City which he didn't fund - which probably would have actually prevented 9/11 if it had been funded. (It is basically the older brother of what the Patriot Act was.


Um...what?
 
2012-06-06 10:33:09 AM  
Hey Libs:

www.threadbombing.com
 
2012-06-06 10:34:31 AM  
I don't blame Bush for 9/11 but I do blame him for how he resonded to it. If Gore were President I don't think there'd be a Patriot Act, I don't think there'd be a morally reprehensible prison in Cuba and we wouldn't have invaded Iraq to service Halliburton. shiat would have still gone down but it wouldn't have been handled so poorly. It couldn't have.

And Bush's 90+% approval rating after 9/11? Gore wouldn't have been given that. Not with the Republicans. They've shown that they won't give what they perceive to be "the other team" anything.
 
2012-06-06 10:36:20 AM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: As a liberal, that article made my head hurt. We're to assume that the prevention of 9/11 comes down to one man's actions? Sure, right. The whole problem with recognizing the threats at the time was that the government was and is a massive beast whose different parts don't communicate well, don't react in a timely manner, and more often then not, important information is ignore, underutilized or misunderstood until it was too late.


when sandy berger had the transition meeting with condi rice in january 2001, he told her that bin laden and al qaeda were the number-one threat to america. in fact, the clinton administration was accused of being "obsessed" with bin laden in its latter days. remember; a presidency isn't just "one man." it's an entire branch of government.
 
2012-06-06 10:38:24 AM  
All I could see in the text was, "What if? What if? What if?"
What if I built a pyramid bigger than the ones in Giza? What if I wrestled your mom last night? I didn't but WHAT IF!?
 
2012-06-06 10:41:03 AM  
The article is wrong about another thing, Gore didn't win. He won the popular election but he didn't win because of the electoral college. I don't believe in the electoral college (well I believe it exists but in it's current form it's wrong), which has nothing to do with who I wanted to win. If it benefited Bush instead of Gore I still wouldn't believe in it. The bottom line is that the majority of the people got the President they didn't want. The system needs to be reformed or done away with.
 
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