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(WSMV Nashville)   Seventy-five-year-old woman in Iran may get kicked out of her house for American flags. Wait, did I say Iran? I meant New Jersey   (wsmv.com ) divider line
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2012-06-06 12:39:03 AM  
Now that Scott Walker won, this is what you can expect all across the country.
 
2012-06-06 12:41:18 AM  
I sympathize with her, I do. But, she's gotta respect the rules of where she's living. Yeah, it sucks that she cannot express herself, but she has no other choice.

Whether the rule is bullshiat or not, I dont know. The housing authority says its a safety hazard. They are the professionals, so I shall defer my opinion to them.
 
2012-06-06 12:46:24 AM  
Wow thats a poorly written article.
 
2012-06-06 01:36:30 AM  
Idiot old woman says "if she stuck the flags in her flowerpot, it wouldn't be the same."

No, it would be compliant with your lease, and you wouldn't be evicted.
 
2012-06-06 01:51:40 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Idiot old woman says "if she stuck the flags in her flowerpot, it wouldn't be the same."

No, it would be compliant with your lease, and you wouldn't be evicted.


Not if she plopped the flowerpot back out on her balcony.
 
2012-06-06 01:52:53 AM  
"I understand that's their rules, but I'm still sticking to my Constitutional rights," Paulus said.

Yes, the "Everything is Legal if it Involves the Flag" clause has kept me out of jail many times.

Her brother.
 
2012-06-06 02:02:34 AM  
It's in the lease, paragraph 20

You signed it...lose the flags
 
2012-06-06 04:35:01 AM  
Also, if you yell the "Our Father" at the top of your lungs inside a library, and you get kicked out, it's because people are persecuting you for your religion.
 
2012-06-06 05:26:24 AM  
Stop being an ignorant biatch and take down the farking flags
 
2012-06-06 05:26:35 AM  
Well, if she leaves New Jersey as a result of the eviction, then they did her a favor. Oh, wait, she'd probably move to Florida. Those bastards are persecuting this poor woman and I hope she gets to stay!
 
2012-06-06 05:28:49 AM  
Iran, America...same diff.
 
2012-06-06 05:31:39 AM  

SilentStrider: Wow thats a poorly written article.


No shiat. I may be drunk, but I don't understand what the "safety hazard" is here. They're worried THIS is gonna fall and hurt someone?

raycomnbc.images.worldnow.com
 
2012-06-06 05:32:11 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: It's in the lease, paragraph 20

You signed it...lose the flags


She needs to get a lawyer because we found out last week when talking about flags that landlords and housing authorities cannot do what they are trying by federal law. This really should be a non-story only that by the hao is breaking a law here.
 
2012-06-06 05:40:59 AM  
Banning a safe and reasonable display of the flag is against federal law. See: H.R. 42 (109th): Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005


....unless....


You specifically sign that right away. Like in a HOA agreement or something similar.


Get mad all you want. This is nothing new.
 
2012-06-06 05:42:26 AM  
How dare they infringe on her natural right to claim the veneer of patriotism by displaying a few cheap-ass pieces of plastic that were made in China?
 
2012-06-06 05:42:47 AM  

lack of warmth: Lionel Mandrake: It's in the lease, paragraph 20

You signed it...lose the flags

She needs to get a lawyer because we found out last week when talking about flags that landlords and housing authorities cannot do what they are trying by federal law. This really should be a non-story only that by the hao is breaking a law here.



Wrong.


SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS.

Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display or use that is inconsistent with--

(1) any provision of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code, or any rule or custom pertaining to the proper display or use of the flag of the United States (as established pursuant to such chapter or any otherwise applicable provision of law); or

(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.
 
2012-06-06 05:47:13 AM  

lack of warmth: Lionel Mandrake: It's in the lease, paragraph 20

You signed it...lose the flags

She needs to get a lawyer because we found out last week when talking about flags that landlords and housing authorities cannot do what they are trying by federal law. This really should be a non-story only that by the hao is breaking a law here.


If you sign an agreement not to do something when you rent a property from someone and then you do it, I don't see how federal law has anything to do with anything. She knowingly and willingly signed a contract agreeing that she wouldn't do what she did and stating that she is aware that should she break the contract she will be evicted. If you're claiming there's a federal law that circumvents that agreement I'd be interested to see your [citation please].
 
2012-06-06 05:49:35 AM  
many NJ seniors have to wait for years on a list to get into low cost housing. i hope someone helps this woman with her cause before she finds herself on the curb. surely there is a compromise that can be reached in this situation. the last thing we need is another Country Kitchen Buffet rebellion.

/fear The Grey Dawn
 
2012-06-06 05:50:17 AM  

cman: I sympathize with her, I do. But, she's gotta respect the rules of where she's living. Yeah, it sucks that she cannot express herself, but she has no other choice.

Whether the rule is bullshiat or not, I dont know. The housing authority says its a safety hazard. They are the professionals, so I shall defer my opinion to them.


It's the goddamned flag, you sonofabiatch. Some deference to it and respect for it, please.

If you don't want to love this country and this flag, then get the fark out and go live in Canada where you can be ashamed of your home country to your heart's content.
 
2012-06-06 05:52:20 AM  

fusillade762: SilentStrider: Wow thats a poorly written article.

No shiat. I may be drunk, but I don't understand what the "safety hazard" is here. They're worried THIS is gonna fall and hurt someone?

[raycomnbc.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]


I suspect that the clause in the lease that this falls under prohibits anything being hung from or attached to balcony railings. If they specifically banned/approved each individual item that anyone may conceivably ever think of the lease would be ridiculously long and they'd still eventually come up against some ridiculous situation like a passerby being struck in the head by a falling life sized suit of armor that no one thought to put on the list of banned items.

As far as the flags go, imagine one of the sticks (can't really call them flagpoles at that size) broke in the wind and the sharp end hit someone in the throat. It may be unlikely, but contingency planning isn't only about planning for things that are likely.
 
2012-06-06 05:54:57 AM  

Grobbley: If you sign an agreement not to do something when you rent a property from someone and then you do it, I don't see how federal law has anything to do with anything. She knowingly and willingly signed a contract agreeing that she wouldn't do what she did and stating that she is aware that should she break the contract she will be evicted. If you're claiming there's a federal law that circumvents that agreement I'd be interested to see your [citation please].


I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.
 
2012-06-06 05:56:11 AM  
FTFA: "Let's just say you let somebody have a flag and somebody puts a hanging basket up there that's filled with dirt that may weight five to 10 pounds and comes crashing down on someone. It has a potential to hurt, then it's we didn't do enough to protect people," Rummerfield said.

Let's say instead you let someone have a flag, which weighs a few ounces, and just have a rule against hanging anything over a certain weight limit (say, one or two lbs). Then, you won't look like asses in front of the whole world.

/fark an HOA
 
2012-06-06 05:57:03 AM  
If she feels so strongly about it, she's welcome to move to another place where she can fly all the flags she wants.
 
2012-06-06 05:57:42 AM  

Schlock: I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.


Read the law.
 
Skr
2012-06-06 05:59:43 AM  
Being too patriotic is... suspicious.
 
2012-06-06 06:00:59 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's the goddamned flag, you sonofabiatch. Some deference to it and respect for it, please.

If you don't want to love this country and this flag, then get the fark out and go live in Canada where you can be ashamed of your home country to your heart's content.



Are you aware you are directing your comment to a disabled veteran?
 
2012-06-06 06:06:20 AM  

crab66: Schlock: I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.

Read the law.


I wasn't contending anything about the actual laws pertaining to this, I'm commenting on the assumption that if there was a federal law exempting the flag from housing rules regarding its display that simply signing a contract somehow nullifies it.
 
2012-06-06 06:13:43 AM  

Schlock: Grobbley: If you sign an agreement not to do something when you rent a property from someone and then you do it, I don't see how federal law has anything to do with anything. She knowingly and willingly signed a contract agreeing that she wouldn't do what she did and stating that she is aware that should she break the contract she will be evicted. If you're claiming there's a federal law that circumvents that agreement I'd be interested to see your [citation please].

I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.


Be that as it may, it's private property. If the lease said "you can't drink coffee or you can't live here" and she signed the lease, she can be removed for not following it. Are you suggesting that there's a law that says you can't prohibit people from displaying flags on your property?
 
2012-06-06 06:14:34 AM  
Like the flag means shiat anymore.

Good for wiping one's ass with, and that's about it.

America. Lol.
 
2012-06-06 06:14:40 AM  

crab66: reasonable restriction


A lawyer waking up with the world's worst hangover could successfully argue there's nothing reasonable about the restriction in this case in about 2 minutes.
 
2012-06-06 06:25:06 AM  

apoptotic: fusillade762: SilentStrider: Wow thats a poorly written article.

No shiat. I may be drunk, but I don't understand what the "safety hazard" is here. They're worried THIS is gonna fall and hurt someone?

[raycomnbc.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]

I suspect that the clause in the lease that this falls under prohibits anything being hung from or attached to balcony railings. If they specifically banned/approved each individual item that anyone may conceivably ever think of the lease would be ridiculously long and they'd still eventually come up against some ridiculous situation like a passerby being struck in the head by a falling life sized suit of armor that no one thought to put on the list of banned items.

As far as the flags go, imagine one of the sticks (can't really call them flagpoles at that size) broke in the wind and the sharp end hit someone in the throat. It may be unlikely, but contingency planning isn't only about planning for things that are likely.


Nice analysis, thanks. Though I think this seems to fall into the misguided "Zero Tolerance" policy that doesn't allow for any simple common sense.
 
2012-06-06 06:28:52 AM  
What kind of a monster would put a woman like that in a nursing home? I just can't see how any son or daughter could tire of that can-do attitude and vigorous spirit.
 
2012-06-06 06:32:18 AM  

Grobbley: Schlock: Grobbley: If you sign an agreement not to do something when you rent a property from someone and then you do it, I don't see how federal law has anything to do with anything. She knowingly and willingly signed a contract agreeing that she wouldn't do what she did and stating that she is aware that should she break the contract she will be evicted. If you're claiming there's a federal law that circumvents that agreement I'd be interested to see your [citation please].

I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.

Be that as it may, it's private property. If the lease said "you can't drink coffee or you can't live here" and she signed the lease, she can be removed for not following it. Are you suggesting that there's a law that says you can't prohibit people from displaying flags on your property?


The difference being that there's no federal law saying that you can drink coffee wherever you want. If there was, and you made a lease like that, it's no longer a legal document. In the scenario we're discussing, a contract doesn't abridge rights granted by federal law. I never claimed there was such a law, but in your initial post you gave the impression that federal law didn't enter into it as long as someone signs a contract, and that's incorrect.
 
2012-06-06 06:38:47 AM  

WhyteRaven74: crab66: reasonable restriction

A lawyer waking up with the world's worst hangover could successfully argue there's nothing reasonable about the restriction in this case in about 2 minutes.


And someone who can count to potato could make the argument that it's a perfectly reasonable restriction and within the letter of the law.
 
2012-06-06 06:46:21 AM  
She is on a high floor. I can certainly see how those little flags could be pulled out of their mount and turned into pointy little projectiles as soon as a strong enough storm blows in. It probably would not happen, but it is in no way impossible. It seems like everyone would get along just fine in this situation if she would express herself in a way that still followed the landlord's CYA rules. Maybe the flags look dumb in the flower pot, but surely there are other places she could display them... in windows, perhaps?

I wonder if there would be so much anger if it was a different kind of flag, like a sports team flag. Probably not. Why should the fact that it is a national symbol make it okay to circumvent a safety rule?
 
2012-06-06 06:49:47 AM  
Memorial Day is over granny. You made your stand, now get over it. Unless you want to be standing at the homeless shelter!
 
2012-06-06 06:52:40 AM  

fusillade762: Nice analysis, thanks. Though I think this seems to fall into the misguided "Zero Tolerance" policy that doesn't allow for any simple common sense.


You're welcome. I suspect this may not be so much about common sense as it is about insurance and legal liability. Say you're walking along outside an apartment building and something falls on you and you get injured; your health insurance may require you to sue everyone involved to recover costs. From the landlord's perspective, they're in a much better position if they can show that it happened because the tenant disregarded a policy that they'd agreed in writing to abide by. If the landlord doesn't have a policy limiting potential dangers they'd be on the hook and their liability insurance carrier could refuse to continue their coverage unless/until they institute such a policy.
 
2012-06-06 06:54:33 AM  

crab66: Schlock: I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.

Read the law.


So I can have a renter sign a contract stating they will not sublease to African Americans?
 
2012-06-06 07:00:53 AM  

drgloryboy: crab66: Schlock: I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.

Read the law.

So I can have a renter sign a contract stating they will not sublease to African Americans?


No, but I'm sure you can find someone to teach you how to read.
 
2012-06-06 07:04:47 AM  

fusillade762: SilentStrider: Wow thats a poorly written article.

No shiat. I may be drunk, but I don't understand what the "safety hazard" is here. They're worried THIS is gonna fall and hurt someone?

[raycomnbc.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]


On the one hand, I understand that she signed the lease, and the rules say she's wrong. On the other hand, suggesting that those tiny little flags are any kind of safety hazard is ridiculous, and the guy's explanation for why the flags must go is totally bullshiat. But really, I don't give a shiat.
 
2012-06-06 07:05:26 AM  

crab66: drgloryboy: crab66: Schlock: I'm pretty certain that any contract that has provisions that run counter to federal law wouldn't be considered by a court to be a valid contract.

Read the law.

So I can have a renter sign a contract stating they will not sublease to African Americans?

No, but I'm sure you can find someone to teach you how to read.


Because I can't read, please read the law to me.
 
2012-06-06 07:06:40 AM  
If it was a hopey change sign you guys would be all for it. Christ, it is a friggin little flag. People need to STFU.
 
2012-06-06 07:09:46 AM  

Schlock: The difference being that there's no federal law saying that you can drink coffee wherever you want. If there was, and you made a lease like that, it's no longer a legal document. In the scenario we're discussing, a contract doesn't abridge rights granted by federal law. I never claimed there was such a law, but in your initial post you gave the impression that federal law didn't enter into it as long as someone signs a contract, and that's incorrect.


An apartment complex that bans displays of any kind on its balconies is fully within their rights once a tenant signs a contract that explicitly states a ban on balcony displays. It's just like non-smoking complexes that allow cats but not dogs or hike up parking fees on a whim. If it states it in the contract and the tenant signed said document, it sticks. It doesn't matter if one's balcony displays, cigarettes, dog, or car represent patriotism, religion, or opinion.
 
2012-06-06 07:11:43 AM  

Jirafa: She is on a high floor. I can certainly see how those little flags could be pulled out of their mount and turned into pointy little projectiles as soon as a strong enough storm blows in.


If there are winds high enough to turn a tiny cloth flag on a tiny balsa wood stick into a dangerous projectile, the railings would be coming off, which would be a much greater hazard. Why not just legislate everyone into plexiglass hamster balls so no one ever gets hurt?
 
2012-06-06 07:12:15 AM  
I dont even have to read the article or comments in this thread to know that a HOA is involved in this.
 
2012-06-06 07:17:00 AM  
TFA:It's in the lease

Thanks, local news idiot, for not putting that at the beginning of the article so we could know not to waste our time with it.

Schlock: The difference being that there's no federal law saying that you can drink coffee wherever you want. If there was, and you made a lease like that, it's no longer a legal document. In the scenario we're discussing, a contract doesn't abridge rights granted by federal law.


Neither does banning flags, since there's no federal law granting you the right to display a flag however you please, either.

//Claiming displaying the flag in this situation counts as political speech as per the first amendment is much more of a stretch than the idea that they could fall off and cause harm (which is the primary exception to the free speech clause), so that doesn't work either.
 
2012-06-06 07:18:50 AM  
Why can't renters or home owners in an HOA area comply with the agreement they sign?
 
2012-06-06 07:19:05 AM  

drgloryboy: Because I can't read, please read the law to me.


Too busy teaching my dog orbital mechanics. I'm sure it will be more productive.
 
2012-06-06 07:21:38 AM  

thamike: Schlock: The difference being that there's no federal law saying that you can drink coffee wherever you want. If there was, and you made a lease like that, it's no longer a legal document. In the scenario we're discussing, a contract doesn't abridge rights granted by federal law. I never claimed there was such a law, but in your initial post you gave the impression that federal law didn't enter into it as long as someone signs a contract, and that's incorrect.

An apartment complex that bans displays of any kind on its balconies is fully within their rights once a tenant signs a contract that explicitly states a ban on balcony displays. It's just like non-smoking complexes that allow cats but not dogs or hike up parking fees on a whim. If it states it in the contract and the tenant signed said document, it sticks. It doesn't matter if one's balcony displays, cigarettes, dog, or car represent patriotism, religion, or opinion.


Except that the federal law states that US flags have a special status , but also makes exemptions for HOAs and condo associations. If the federal law DIDN'T make that exemption then the lease would have no legal status, regardless of whether she signed it or not. The contract is not a legal document if it contradicts federal law. It doesn't in this case, due to the exceptions made, but people need to let go of "well if it's in the contract she signed then they can do what they want" because that's not how law works.
 
2012-06-06 07:22:33 AM  
lots of throbbing patriotic boners in this thread. why does the flag make people so retarded? it's a piece of cloth. put some value into things that actually matter.
 
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