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2012-06-05 09:46:44 PM
5 votes:
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2012-06-05 11:39:29 PM
4 votes:

meat0918: The whole world is going to Hell in a handbasket...


Or is that what people want us to believe? Honestly, media has the illusion of pushing a worldview onto us that may not be accurate, enforcing apathy.

Nothing is more effective at disheartening an enemy than giving them the illusion that they're wrong and that anything they do will result in failure. It's a very old psychological warfare trick, and it's one a lot of media outlets have been harnessing for quite a while.
2012-06-05 11:54:21 PM
3 votes:
The Korean identity has been diced and sliced so much over the last 500 years or so, culminating in Japanese occupation (which was attrocious to be sure) and then the Korean war.

This has led to a strange reaction on the cultural stage for Koreans. Koreans, culturally, believe they were the first humans. Even Americans don't believe that.

Where I have seen it the most is in martial arts. They have bastardized every other cultures' martial arts and stuck "bop" or "do" on the end and called it a Korean invention. Kendo is really Kumdo, Judo is really Yudo. Aikijutsu is really Hapkido. Kung Fu is really Kuk Sool Won. Karate is really Tae Kwon Do. Then other Korean masters who want to cash in bastardize those arts and tag "bop" into the name.

Of course, then some fat American takes both cultures and mish-mashes the names and creates this vomit that is then sold in a strip mall to gullible soccer moms and their kids. *what, me, bitter...no...*

The rabid adoption of Christianity is just the same, then you get your Moonies and such out of that. That culture is ripe for the picking for evangelicals. Those people are desperate to define themselves as anything other than a target for North Korea.

It is a really, really, really odd cultural phenomenon.
2012-06-06 02:22:56 AM
2 votes:

0Icky0: mikewadestr: How the hell did God have all those kids when there never was a Mrs. God?

There was. She was written out of the old stories by the all-male priesthood, who hated women then as much as they do now.


They weren't even sort of monotheist until surprisingly recently.

Think of the Bible stories, partcularly the ones from the later sources, as having been rewritten to drive home a xenophobic message. The big philosophical problem of the day was, "If an invincible god is on our side, why do we keep losing wars?" Obviously, it was because bad things happen to bad people (the popular theodicy of the day), and this turned into a nationalist disdain for anything foreign-influenced.

As God's wife, Asherah, was a Caananite deity (as was the original version of God), she had to go.

Cue the stories judging people, even kings, by how loyal they were to the priests, not by how effective they were. Thus, Asherah became a symbol of evil instead of God's fertility goddess wife. (I read somewhere that Song of Songs might have been about divine nookie, but that seems speculative.)

The other local gods were popular in Jewish folk religion for a while, too, which is why they show up from time to time as villains (Baal!) and as cameos in the New Testament (Beelzebub), by then mixed in with some of the Hellenistic influence that set the stage for Christian cosmology. Asherah was the big one, though, which is probably why there was such a desperate movement to stamp her out.

Then, keep in mind who compiled the Bible and when. The redaction happened after the monotheist revolution and the anti-foreigner sentiment stoked by the Babylonian conquest, so the anti-foreigner stuff got written into many of the stories.

To the Bible's credit, books by more enlightened authors sort of exist to mock this narrative, which makes things more interesting. Compare the morals of Ruth, Job, Jonah, and Ecclesiastes to those of the history books or the prophet books. The poets become the jesters mocking the kings; it's pretty funny.
2012-06-06 12:34:52 AM
2 votes:

whatshisname: farking missionaries.

of any creed

They have caused more misery and death than any other group in history.
2012-06-05 11:52:13 PM
2 votes:

FunkOut: No one is to know the Japanese descended from Korean farmers who got lost on a 3 hour boat tour.


You know, a few years ago I remember reading a brief article about Japanese archaeology. Archaeologists were getting permission to excavate tombs from the earliest days of the present dynasty, around 2000 years ago, for the first time ever. For a long time it hadn't been possible to get permission because conservative Shintoists considered it blasphemous (and probably because they were afraid evidence would be discovered that the Emperor was not, in fact, descended from a deity.) There was now unease among extreme Japanese nationalists because it was possible that the Japanese royal family was originally Korean, and even if they weren't it was almost certain that some of Japan's oldest and most storied families were.
2012-06-05 11:46:56 PM
2 votes:
FTA: The campaign, which was led by the Society for Textbook Revise (STR)...

OK, that's it. I just farking give up. Someone wake me when Ow, My Balls is on.

www.justsaypictures.com
2012-06-05 11:46:38 PM
2 votes:
Korean Christians are a cult like the Moonies.
2012-06-05 11:39:49 PM
2 votes:
Putting the Worst in Worst Korea.
2012-06-05 11:35:09 PM
2 votes:
No one is to know the Japanese descended from Korean farmers who got lost on a 3 hour boat tour.
2012-06-05 08:58:08 PM
2 votes:
Texas is still far worse, they've Seoulless.
2012-06-05 08:52:46 PM
2 votes:
Good. Throw them off the edge of the Earth.
2012-06-07 10:36:47 PM
1 votes:

GilRuiz1: Nick the What: Your new macro sucks ball sack. It's missing a word in the 3rd frame, and misrepresents the majority of atheists. FIX IT!!!

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!

Missing word added. Thank you for pointing it out.
[i224.photobucket.com image 640x656]

I only post the picture whenever someone tells a religious person that they can't believe in God and evolution at the same time. To my great surprise, this happens remarkably seldom. In the past year, I must have used the image maybe 3 times. Since this is FARK, I expected to use it very frequently, but I have been pleasantly surprised that the majority of atheists are not like the Imperial officer in the image. As far as I'm concerned, that officer represents only that very small handful of atheists.


You see, Christianity has a strong method for turning things to their side: they adopt it, assimilate it, and adjust it so it's now "theirs". Christmas, Easter, the aspects of various gods, all were slowly absorbed from pagan beliefs and celebrations and reconstructed into acceptable Christian formats. They're doing the exact same thing with science as we speak.

First it was "Science 100% wrong and evil!". Then it was "Okay, maaaayyyybe some parts of science are right, but it's still evil!". Now it's "Yes, there is thermodynamics and gravity, and evolution is true, but it's still all because God did it and allows it to happen!". And not forgetting the Creationism and Intelligent Design camps, who twist science and religion together into a goofy mash where it's not a "god", it's an "intelligent consciousness" that constructed every single aspect of reality (and did a very bad job of it). It's like these people can't even wake up in the morning without some invisible being ready to reward them and brutally slay those who they dislike.
2012-06-06 09:22:13 PM
1 votes:

volodya: [farm3.staticflickr.com image 500x375]

Western imperialism bringing bibles and Christian items into North Korea. This is on display at the Sinchon Massacre Museum. This is a display of items used to oppress the people of Korea. I took the photos in 2009 in Sinchon North Korea.


Also available in North Korea are displays depicting Kim Jong Il being born in a fictional cabin on top of a mountain, the tireless Kim Il Sung personally draping a coat over a sleeping soldier as he maintains the world's greatest worker's utopia, and other complete nonsense.

North Korea's propaganda is extremely effective, and in the case of your display here, pretty clever. Christian symbolism and western medicine are the most commonly used propaganda devices outside of the military. The reason for choosing Christianity as a way of generating generic hatred of the west in North Korea is twofold: it's one of the most effective identifiers of the west (and their woes), and it's the religion of choice for an overwhelming number of South Koreans. This helps to bolster the North's fantasy of solitude, self-reliance, and resilience to the evils of outer-society - the central themes of Juche.

Museums in North Korea cover two topics: tragedies, such as massacres, and the greatness of the DPRK, such as the legends of its leadership and the strength of it's military. An example of the latter would be the Pueblo museum. To put it bluntly, half of them are supposed to make the outer world look bad, and the other half are to make North Korea look good.

If you read and watch what comes out of North Korean media, most of the terrible things that foreigners have allegedly done to them happen around churches and doctors. (That is, when the military isn't involved, throwing babies down wells and raping Korean women tied to posts.) Sometimes both. I have a North Korean propaganda poster that shows a caricature of a priest injecting a baby with poison, for example.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that display and others like it are clever tricks used to support their completely fabricated version of history.

But since you've been to North Korea, I'm going to assume you did some basic research and already know that.
2012-06-06 12:32:13 PM
1 votes:

Bevets: I would argue that Special Revelation is superior to Natural Revelation.


On what basis for the ordering relationship?

Bevets: All Truth Leads to God


Presumably you're referring to "every truth" rather than "the entire class of all truths, considered as a single entity"?

We never did get through the Robbins construction of Boolean Algebras; and I doubt you'd address the question of John 18:38 with a categorical answer, rather than your particular example of John 14:6.
2012-06-06 12:15:41 PM
1 votes:

Corporate Self: Evolution is the method God used to create life and advance life.

[www.lolbrary.com image 500x415]


This is literally what I believe (although Divine, not Yaweh-God). I think a lot of educated religious believe the same thing--the Divine showed up, started the laws of the universe (or multiverse, if there's more than one universe), and then sat back to watch the show. It's possible to commune with Divinity, but mostly, S\He stays out of our business.

/Science and religion are not mutually exclusive.
2012-06-06 10:10:28 AM
1 votes:

Bevets: Animatronik:

I don't accept that I have to believe in a religion that postulates that God created a world full of evidence that must be ignored in favor of His Special Revelation, as if he were a trickster God, a Loki. That is neither a rational nor divine approach to understanding the world we live in.

I guess we can agree on that.
I would add:
All Truth is God's Truth
All Truth Leads to God


Please provide a true observation of God - verifiable evidence that indicates his existence that cannot be contained or explained within current scientific theory. This evidence (by your own requirement) cannot be an observation from the past, since they cannot be verified or repeated.
2012-06-06 08:53:20 AM
1 votes:
Man alive, South Korea has disappointed me greatly with this news.
2012-06-06 07:04:36 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Guntram Shatterhand: meat0918: The whole world is going to Hell in a handbasket...

Or is that what people want us to believe? Honestly, media has the illusion of pushing a worldview onto us that may not be accurate, enforcing apathy.

Nothing is more effective at disheartening an enemy than giving them the illusion that they're wrong and that anything they do will result in failure. It's a very old psychological warfare trick, and it's one a lot of media outlets have been harnessing for quite a while.

I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight.


then how about you tell us howOliver North got his own show.
2012-06-06 07:02:25 AM
1 votes:

anfrind: Keizer_Ghidorah: Corporate Self: Evolution is the method God used to create life and advance life.

[www.lolbrary.com image 500x415]

And for an omnipotent and all-powerful being, he really cocked it up something fierce.

I'd have made it so that animals can near-instantaneously develop what they need to survive changes. Flash flood? Feet turn into flippers and gills open on the neck. Falling off a cliff or out of a tree? Sprout wings or skin flaps to glide to the ground. Drought? Alter body tissues to conserve water and process waste while adjusting the body processes to go into hibernation. Toxic gases and ash from a volcano? Nostrils and airways create ash screens while the body adjusts to metabolize sulfur and other chemicals.

I'm a meaningless mortal human and I can come up with better ideas than God.

If there were a God who intended for Man to be master of the Earth, He would have made him in the image of a dragon.


Nah, I'd rather be a merman, or a naga.
2012-06-06 03:50:12 AM
1 votes:
Yep. The Jumper-thumpers are worldwide now.

Not everyone who disdains these fools is a leftist. Just sayin'.
2012-06-06 03:31:39 AM
1 votes:

Farty McPooPants: Dude, they still believe in "fan death."
What do you expect?


*head asplode*
2012-06-06 02:13:55 AM
1 votes:
"I need the rest of you to help me fix the world. The rest of the world is getting stupider."
-Neil deGrasse Tyson (Astrophysicist): Mount Holyoke College, MA
2012-06-06 01:22:27 AM
1 votes:

mikewadestr: How the hell did God have all those kids when there never was a Mrs. God?


There was. She was written out of the old stories by the all-male priesthood, who hated women then as much as they do now.
2012-06-06 01:18:20 AM
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: I think the guy that really got Christanity going as a movement there was named Green-something. I am no expert on sects in Christanity, but it didn't feel Presbyterian to me.


This guy..a Methodist. His family was very close with my Great Grandparents.
2012-06-06 01:04:04 AM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: GilRuiz1: From the Nature article linked by I09: "However, a survey of trainee teachers in the country concluded that religious belief was not a strong determinant of their acceptance of evolution. It also found that 40% of biology teachers agreed with the statement that "much of the scientific community doubts if evolution occurs"; and half disagreed that "modern humans are the product of evolutionary processes"."


Doggone it, now who shall we blame this on?

Same as over here: Stupidity.


Yep. Dumb is dumb everywhere. They can only claim superiority in math.
2012-06-06 01:03:08 AM
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: miniflea,I read once that North Korean defectors who live in the south are specifically targeted by evangelical Christians. The author of the book I read, who interviewed dozens (hundreds?) of former North Koreans living in the south, said he only ever met one who considered himself an atheist. Although I'm an atheist (raised Catholic, didn't take) I don't have any problem with people finding solace in religion and many of these people certainly have led awful lives. But it seemed that they were targeted by the hyper zealous, give us all your money type of Christian, and after being raised in the cult of the Kims, bought it hook line and sinker. It really made me sad.

You don't get it. First North Koreans don't have great lives in the South. They can be isolated. Second, they are saving the godless North Koreans souls. Finally, churches there are not just about going to church necessarily, some churches may see it as more of an extended family. Churches are taking them in, and still expanding their own empire.


Politely, what is it I don't get? I know they have shiatty lives in the south, they are easy prey for scammers looking to take the stipend the SK government gives them, they miss their family, they are uprooted and placed in an alien culture. If there was ever a perfect recipe for religious conversion I don't know what it is. I understand the phenomena perfectly.
2012-06-06 01:02:08 AM
1 votes:

sonorangal: South Koreans have a very heavy Catholic influence. The Catholics are flexing their power right now to keep the flock in line all over the world where most of their money comes from. They worked their way in the US what is stopping them from doing it over there.


I lived in a neighborhood that was at least half Korean. They belonged to about five or so varieties of Christianity in equal measure, Catholic and Presbyterian being two that I recall. Probably Baptist, too ::shrug:: Either way, church was practically the nexus of all socialization in their culture.
2012-06-06 12:55:26 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Corporate Self: Evolution is the method God used to create life and advance life.

[www.lolbrary.com image 500x415]

And for an omnipotent and all-powerful being, he really cocked it up something fierce.

I'd have made it so that animals can near-instantaneously develop what they need to survive changes. Flash flood? Feet turn into flippers and gills open on the neck. Falling off a cliff or out of a tree? Sprout wings or skin flaps to glide to the ground. Drought? Alter body tissues to conserve water and process waste while adjusting the body processes to go into hibernation. Toxic gases and ash from a volcano? Nostrils and airways create ash screens while the body adjusts to metabolize sulfur and other chemicals.

I'm a meaningless mortal human and I can come up with better ideas than God.


If there were a God who intended for Man to be master of the Earth, He would have made him in the image of a dragon.
2012-06-06 12:43:45 AM
1 votes:
I read once that North Korean defectors who live in the south are specifically targeted by evangelical Christians. The author of the book I read, who interviewed dozens (hundreds?) of former North Koreans living in the south, said he only ever met one who considered himself an atheist. Although I'm an atheist (raised Catholic, didn't take) I don't have any problem with people finding solace in religion and many of these people certainly have led awful lives. But it seemed that they were targeted by the hyper zealous, give us all your money type of Christian, and after being raised in the cult of the Kims, bought it hook line and sinker. It really made me sad.
2012-06-06 12:43:01 AM
1 votes:

Corporate Self: Evolution is the method God used to create life and advance life.

[www.lolbrary.com image 500x415]


I see we have a believer in Theistic evolution. Sorry, you don't get to have it both ways.
2012-06-06 12:20:06 AM
1 votes:
Someone want to copypasta the article's text here for me? I'm not disabling a million scriptblockers for a another stupid Gawker link.

kthxbye
2012-06-05 11:56:06 PM
1 votes:
Evolution is the method God used to create life and advance life.

www.lolbrary.com
2012-06-05 11:56:03 PM
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: AverageAmericanGuy,It's kind of weird how the Koreans have taken to fundamental evangelical Christianity so well. Their traditional culture is just as Buddhist and Confucian as those of the surrounding east Asian countries, but Christianity is hardly a blip on the screen elsewhere.
As long as it isn't Islam, I suppose it's probably okay, though.

Sometime in the 60's or 70's, some born again evanglican started preaching in South Korea. I think Southern Baptist.

So if someone says they are 'Christian', they mean 'Born-again active in the church Christian'. Probably anyway.

He is the reason why Christians are mostly one specific sect over there. They were not full blown 'Christian-conservative' last time I checked, but give them time.


I was raised Presbyterian, and apparently the Presbyterians were among the first to put a lot of effort into sending missionaries to Korea. Almost a third of the hymns in the hymnal were in Korean, spelled out phonetically. They must have been supplanted by evangelicals though, the Presbyterians aren't exactly hardcore fundies (weren't predestined that way, I suppose).
2012-06-05 11:55:37 PM
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: meat0918: The whole world is going to Hell in a handbasket...

Or is that what people want us to believe? Honestly, media has the illusion of pushing a worldview onto us that may not be accurate, enforcing apathy.

Nothing is more effective at disheartening an enemy than giving them the illusion that they're wrong and that anything they do will result in failure. It's a very old psychological warfare trick, and it's one a lot of media outlets have been harnessing for quite a while.


I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight.
2012-06-05 11:52:15 PM
1 votes:
No no no, the South Koreans believe that in the beginning there was the Command Center, then the Zerg rush, and ultimatly the Psyonic Storm in the end of days.
2012-06-05 11:48:45 PM
1 votes:
AverageAmericanGuy,It's kind of weird how the Koreans have taken to fundamental evangelical Christianity so well. Their traditional culture is just as Buddhist and Confucian as those of the surrounding east Asian countries, but Christianity is hardly a blip on the screen elsewhere.
As long as it isn't Islam, I suppose it's probably okay, though.


Sometime in the 60's or 70's, some born again evanglican started preaching in South Korea. I think Southern Baptist.

So if someone says they are 'Christian', they mean 'Born-again active in the church Christian'. Probably anyway.

He is the reason why Christians are mostly one specific sect over there. They were not full blown 'Christian-conservative' last time I checked, but give them time.
2012-06-05 11:48:36 PM
1 votes:
Let's all be friends
2012-06-05 11:42:35 PM
1 votes:
It's kind of weird how the Koreans have taken to fundamental evangelical Christianity so well. Their traditional culture is just as Buddhist and Confucian as those of the surrounding east Asian countries, but Christianity is hardly a blip on the screen elsewhere.

As long as it isn't Islam, I suppose it's probably okay, though.
2012-06-05 11:34:23 PM
1 votes:
The whole world is going to Hell in a handbasket...
 
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