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2012-06-05 03:30:46 PM
what war on women?
 
2012-06-05 03:37:26 PM
This should help Scott Walker tremendously
 
2012-06-05 03:38:37 PM
I'm all for equal pay, but I don't want coworkers snooping around for my salary information. That's between me and my boss. Beyond that, the only people who know that information are my wife and my accountant.
 
2012-06-05 03:39:19 PM
I remember someone saying that by denying the equal pay business can then take the money saved and hire even more people....so this creates job by denying equal pay.
 
2012-06-05 03:40:33 PM

Nabb1: I'm all for equal pay, but I don't want coworkers snooping around for my salary information. That's between me and my boss. Beyond that, the only people who know that information are my wife and my accountant.


You do realize that this has nothing to do with someone demanding to know your salary right? Your boss knows everyones salary and would have been the one that would have to make adjustments.
 
2012-06-05 03:44:16 PM

GWLush: Nabb1: I'm all for equal pay, but I don't want coworkers snooping around for my salary information. That's between me and my boss. Beyond that, the only people who know that information are my wife and my accountant.

You do realize that this has nothing to do with someone demanding to know your salary right? Your boss knows everyones salary and would have been the one that would have to make adjustments.


Okay, then what does the following statement from the article mean:

"President Obama and his Democratic allies argue that the legislation is needed to protect people who try to find out how their pay stacks up against their coworkers."

We're a small office. There are only two other people in my same category job-wise, and I have way more experience than the two of them. I also negotiated my salary when I came here. I don't think my pay is any of their concern.
 
2012-06-05 03:45:00 PM
Maybe they were afraid of having acid thrown in their faces.
 
2012-06-05 03:45:06 PM
Just another political propaganda ploy
 
2012-06-05 03:46:42 PM

Nabb1: We're a small office. There are only two other people in my same category job-wise, and I have way more experience than the two of them. I also negotiated my salary when I came here. I don't think my pay is any of their concern.


yes, but if a woman has the same experience as you, she should expect the same pay, yes? all things being equal...
 
2012-06-05 03:52:25 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: We're a small office. There are only two other people in my same category job-wise, and I have way more experience than the two of them. I also negotiated my salary when I came here. I don't think my pay is any of their concern.

yes, but if a woman has the same experience as you, she should expect the same pay, yes? all things being equal...


I'm all in favor of equal pay, as I said. If someone brings the same level of experience and other elements (book of business, client development), sure, but I don't need anyone nosing around what I make. That's on the senior partnership to see to that.
 
2012-06-05 03:52:59 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: We're a small office. There are only two other people in my same category job-wise, and I have way more experience than the two of them. I also negotiated my salary when I came here. I don't think my pay is any of their concern.

yes, but if a woman has the same experience as you, she should expect the same pay, yes? all things being equal...


I agree with Nabb1 that your personal negotiations should dictate your pay to a degree. To that point, I think something like this should only apply at larger companies. A company of 5 - 20 will have greater fluctuations that could be based on individual abilities to negotiate raises, whereas a copany of 50 - 100 would probably be more normalized.
 
2012-06-05 03:53:11 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: We're a small office. There are only two other people in my same category job-wise, and I have way more experience than the two of them. I also negotiated my salary when I came here. I don't think my pay is any of their concern.

yes, but if a woman has the same experience as you, she should expect the same pay, yes? all things being equal...


Not if she can't negotiate as good as me. It's up to her to get the most money out of the job that she can. If she doesn't like the offer/pay, for whatever reason, she can leave.
 
2012-06-05 03:54:32 PM
 
2012-06-05 03:54:45 PM
I would expect nothing less from today's GOP. They've amply demonstrated they consider many Americans to be second-class citizens, so it's not shocking to learn they don't care if women are paid less for the same work.
 
2012-06-05 03:55:51 PM

Nabb1: GWLush: Nabb1: I'm all for equal pay, but I don't want coworkers snooping around for my salary information. That's between me and my boss. Beyond that, the only people who know that information are my wife and my accountant.

You do realize that this has nothing to do with someone demanding to know your salary right? Your boss knows everyones salary and would have been the one that would have to make adjustments.

Okay, then what does the following statement from the article mean:

"President Obama and his Democratic allies argue that the legislation is needed to protect people who try to find out how their pay stacks up against their coworkers."

We're a small office. There are only two other people in my same category job-wise, and I have way more experience than the two of them. I also negotiated my salary when I came here. I don't think my pay is any of their concern.


That means asking the boss if they are receiving equal pay for doing the exact same job that you are doing. They are talking like for like scenarios here. Not someone with less experience than someone else getting the same pay. Should they not be able to renegotiate their salary and request that they get paid equal or as close to equal as possible depending on experience? The fact that you know in your mind that you are getting paid more than the women doing the same job as you is telling.
 
2012-06-05 03:56:38 PM

9beers: In a letter to Senate leaders, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups said while they have "no tolerance for discrimination" they would "vigorously oppose" the bill.

"The Paycheck Fairness Act would impose unprecedented government control over how employees are paid at even the nation's smallest employers," the letter said. "This flawed legislation would outlaw many legitimate practices that employers currently use to set employee rates, even where there is no evidence of intentional discrimination."

Keep blaming Republicans though.


You say that like the US Chamber of Commerce isn't essentially 100% in lockstep with the Republican Party.
 
2012-06-05 03:59:39 PM

I Said: I agree with Nabb1 that your personal negotiations should dictate your pay to a degree. To that point, I think something like this should only apply at larger companies. A company of 5 - 20 will have greater fluctuations that could be based on individual abilities to negotiate raises, whereas a copany of 50 - 100 would probably be more normalized.


Well, if I can elaborate, at least in the legal field, it is almost unheardof in the profession these days that salaries for first year associates at medium (say 20 or so attorneys) and large firms are not completely equal regardless of gender. If you start moving, and become a lateral hire once you get experience, negotiation plays more and more into it. Mid-level associates may have less flexibility with larger firms, and things might get more complicated for attorneys moving who bring a book of business, or attorneys brought on as partners. And for small firms, it really gets down to negotiation. But, at the starting point, the legal profession seems to be one that embraced equitable pay years ago, especially since there are more women entering the field than men at present.
 
2012-06-05 04:04:06 PM

GWLush: That means asking the boss if they are receiving equal pay for doing the exact same job that you are doing. They are talking like for like scenarios here. Not someone with less experience than someone else getting the same pay. Should they not be able to renegotiate their salary and request that they get paid equal or as close to equal as possible depending on experience? The fact that you know in your mind that you are getting paid more than the women doing the same job as you is telling.


Whatever the can get for themselves - more power to them. I don't know what they make, either. I've never asked. It's none of my business; however, if my base salary is more than theirs, I would imagine it is due to the fact that I have a lot more experience and years of practice than they do.
 
2012-06-05 04:12:02 PM

Nabb1: That's on the senior partnership to see to that.


Republicans say that would just be too big of a burden on employers. Not sure how.
 
2012-06-05 04:13:40 PM

Nabb1: GWLush: That means asking the boss if they are receiving equal pay for doing the exact same job that you are doing. They are talking like for like scenarios here. Not someone with less experience than someone else getting the same pay. Should they not be able to renegotiate their salary and request that they get paid equal or as close to equal as possible depending on experience? The fact that you know in your mind that you are getting paid more than the women doing the same job as you is telling.

Whatever the can get for themselves - more power to them. I don't know what they make, either. I've never asked. It's none of my business; however, if my base salary is more than theirs, I would imagine it is due to the fact that I have a lot more experience and years of practice than they do.


If you have more experience than them then you should receive a higher salary. This isn't what the bill proposed at all. It is for equal pay for equal work. Which means if you are doing the exact same job with the exact same experience your gender should not be a factor. The problem is that for some professions it is. For example, I have an aunt and an uncle who are both truck drivers for the same company. They both travel around the same amount of miles and my aunt has one year more in experience. My aunt recieves 16% less than my uncle on a yearly basis. She has asked for equal compensation but has been turned down on more than one occasion. Sure she could look elsewhere but why should she have to?
 
2012-06-05 04:18:57 PM

djkutch: Nabb1: That's on the senior partnership to see to that.

Republicans say that would just be too big of a burden on employers. Not sure how.


because soshulizm
 
2012-06-05 04:26:23 PM

9beers: In a letter to Senate leaders, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups said while they have "no tolerance for discrimination" they would "vigorously oppose" the bill.

"The Paycheck Fairness Act would impose unprecedented government control over how employees are paid at even the nation's smallest employers," the letter said. "This flawed legislation would outlaw many legitimate practices that employers currently use to set employee rates, even where there is no evidence of intentional discrimination."

Keep blaming Republicans though.


I hate that union, too.

Oh and why is this such a difficult thing to pass?

"Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

This should be a law. A constitutional amendment, even.
 
2012-06-05 04:53:58 PM

FlashHarry: what war on women?


You haven't heard of the Democrat's war on women?
 
2012-06-05 05:01:16 PM
I'm against any law that mandates how much any position should pay in private business. This was a lawyer's wet dream. In a court of law you can't prove that one person is better or worse then another.
 
2012-06-05 05:04:25 PM

dr_blasto: FlashHarry: what war on women?

You haven't heard of the Democrat's war on women?


to which democrat are you referring?
 
2012-06-05 05:08:32 PM

FlashHarry: dr_blasto: FlashHarry: what war on women?

You haven't heard of the Democrat's war on women?

to which democrat are you referring?


Obama?

http://freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/
 
2012-06-05 05:17:23 PM

FlashHarry: dr_blasto: FlashHarry: what war on women?

You haven't heard of the Democrat's war on women?

to which democrat are you referring?



The ones they imagine.
 
2012-06-05 05:18:46 PM
This could have had chilling ramifications -- what if the law were used to pay male porn stars the same as female? Producers only have so much cocaine, people.
 
2012-06-05 05:43:05 PM
Can this really be a news flash when there wasn't a question they were going to do this? Republicans seem to hate equality and they especially hate seeing anyone except CEOs paid more, AND this would have helped women. Of course this was going to be blocked. I'm pretty sure they had to change their pants after doing so.
 
2012-06-05 05:53:46 PM

Blues_X: FlashHarry: dr_blasto: FlashHarry: what war on women?

You haven't heard of the Democrat's war on women?

to which democrat are you referring?


The ones they imagine.


well, he said, "the democrat's" - singular. i assumed he was talking about someone in particular.
 
2012-06-05 05:58:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm against any law that mandates how much any position should pay in private business. This was a lawyer's wet dream. In a court of law you can't prove that one person is better or worse then another.


This is not mandating how much any position should pay. That is up to the employeer. It is saying that people should be paid the same if they are equally qualified regardless of gender.
 
2012-06-05 06:06:51 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-05 06:07:56 PM
Haha! Discrimination is fun. I pay shorter people less just for the lolz.
 
2012-06-05 06:16:50 PM

Nabb1: Beyond that, the only people who know that information are my wife and my accountant.


They should tell you.
 
2012-06-05 06:18:21 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-05 06:19:03 PM
Damnit, wrong thread.
 
2012-06-05 06:32:57 PM

GWLush: This is not mandating how much any position should pay. That is up to the employeer. It is saying that people should be paid the same if they are equally qualified regardless of gender.


Well they arn't saying that a VP should be paid but they are saying that position that the female is hired for will pay X. All they are doing is setting up a company and/or an individual to fail. Let's say that you go into your boss's office looking for a raise. Answer "sorry but this position is paid at X number of dollars". Great! Either way everyone gets hurt! Either you increase everyone's pay to keep the good employee (hurting the business and there for everyone in the business) or you lose a good employee cause you can't increase their pay (hurting the business by lowering the bar). The only way out is to create a whole host of job titles! Ever heard of "Service Tech level 5"? Get ready to have that in every single company there is. Even the Ma and Pa stores are going to have clerk level so and so! Great! More paperwork. That's all the government creates.
 
2012-06-05 06:42:36 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: FlashHarry: dr_blasto: FlashHarry: what war on women?

You haven't heard of the Democrat's war on women?

to which democrat are you referring?

Obama?

http://freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/


You don't understand the concept of "Equal Pay for Equal Work," do you?
 
2012-06-05 06:54:33 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ever heard of "Service Tech level 5"?


Yes, yes I have. And while the nomenclature is different, my wife makes more than nearly everyone in the company that does "the same job". And it's a F500 company.
 
2012-06-05 06:56:55 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-05 07:01:42 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This could have had chilling ramifications -- what if the law were used to pay male porn stars the same as female? Producers only have so much cocaine, people.


Oh, they'll still get around it using "those" kind of qualifications...

"Yes, Mr. Nerves, I see here that you'll be expecting the same pay as female stars you work with. Well, let's do the checklist and see where you stack up. Number of double vaginal scenes...zero. Number of vaginal/anal DP scenes...zero. Number of oral/vaginal/anal 'airtight' scenes...zero. Well, I can definitely pay you what we pay girls with zero of those scenes, no problem. I have a shoot coming up in two days where we need someone who can take a foot-long carved cocobolo wood dolphin dong completely fin-deep in their vag...hmm, no? Well, don't worry, the all-male films actually pay BETTER than we pay the women...cool?"
 
2012-06-05 07:02:35 PM
That "Big Tent" is looking more and more like a cocktail parasol.
 
2012-06-05 07:03:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Either you increase everyone's pay to keep the good employee (hurting the business and there for everyone in the business) or you lose a good employee cause you can't increase their pay (hurting the business by lowering the bar).


You haven't read the bill, have you? It specifies that if there is a difference in pay then the employer can be called to show that it's not based on gender. If there is a difference and it's based on performance, then that is still acceptable.
 
2012-06-05 07:10:31 PM

timujin: You haven't read the bill, have you? It specifies that if there is a difference in pay then the employer can be called to show that it's not based on gender. If there is a difference and it's based on performance, then that is still acceptable.


So you're agreeing with me that this is a lawyer's wet dream? Who do you think they have to prove it to? So they can either pay everyone the same for the same job title or they can fight it in the courts.
 
2012-06-05 07:13:23 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: timujin: You haven't read the bill, have you? It specifies that if there is a difference in pay then the employer can be called to show that it's not based on gender. If there is a difference and it's based on performance, then that is still acceptable.

So you're agreeing with me that this is a lawyer's wet dream?


No, I'm not.
 
2012-06-05 07:17:03 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're agreeing with me that this is a lawyer's wet dream? Who do you think they have to prove it to? So they can either pay everyone the same for the same job title or they can fight it in the courts.


It's a bureaucrat's wet dream. Do you know how many thousands of jobs this will create?
 
2012-06-05 07:51:35 PM
If every Republican voted against it that means that every Republican senator voted against it.

This smells of political shenanigans. Who forgot to suck who's dick?
 
2012-06-05 07:52:11 PM

cman: If every Republican voted against it that means that every Republican Lady senator voted against it.

This smells of political shenanigans. Who forgot to suck who's dick?


OH FFS

Fixed that for me

/Jesus I am a dumbass
 
2012-06-05 07:56:05 PM
Is ANYONE surprised?
 
2012-06-05 09:10:32 PM
Apparently they are unaware that pay equality won't affect the prices of prostitutes.
 
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