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2012-06-05 03:33:18 PM
The run-time of a movie was released? Insta-green-light.
 
2012-06-05 03:42:57 PM
Wow.
 
2012-06-05 03:51:23 PM
Probably could be edited down to 2 hours and made better for it.
 
2012-06-05 03:54:43 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Probably could be edited down to 2 hours and made better for it.


I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.
 
2012-06-05 04:01:55 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.


I agree - except for his Batman movies.
 
2012-06-05 04:08:16 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.

I agree - except for his Batman movies.


What scene needed to be cut from the Batman films?
 
2012-06-05 04:13:00 PM

Darth_Lukecash: tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.

I agree - except for his Batman movies.

What scene needed to be cut from the Batman films?


Mrs Cruise's entire dialogue.
 
2012-06-05 04:14:47 PM
This is a more interesting article from the same link. It's a perfect illustration of why Hollywood suits are idiots.
 
2012-06-05 04:14:49 PM
Fine with me.
 
2012-06-05 04:31:10 PM

Darth_Lukecash: What scene needed to be cut from the Batman films?


Scenes #s 141, 264 and 578. And #s 201, 213, 355 and 406 could have been trimmed down considerably.
 
2012-06-05 04:31:32 PM

gopher321: Darth_Lukecash: tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.

I agree - except for his Batman movies.

What scene needed to be cut from the Batman films?

Mrs Cruise's entire dialogue.


The dialogue was fine. Sadly Katie Holmes wasn't up to the other acting standards. I really wish Maggie Gyllenhaal was in the first movie.

But the character was a nice touch a person who knew Wayne and his family before the deaths. And as far as romantic views, Bruce Wayne having a girlfriend that could entice him to retire was a nice foil.
 
2012-06-05 04:35:44 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: What scene needed to be cut from the Batman films?

Scenes #s 141, 264 and 578. And #s 201, 213, 355 and 406 could have been trimmed down considerably.


So you have NOTHING! :-)

(Or if you do, mentioned what happens in the scene and why it wasn't needed.
 
2012-06-05 04:47:05 PM
As long as it's not Return of the King long.
 
2012-06-05 04:51:19 PM

texdent: As long as it's not Return of the King long.


I can see it now, Batman standing on the shore, telling Commissioner Gordon and Alfred not to cry...
 
2012-06-05 04:53:52 PM
FTFA: This makes the final installment 15 minutes longer than its predecessor The Dark Knight.

So... is it a slow news day at Digital Spy?
 
2012-06-05 04:56:14 PM
While I loved everything about the Dark Knight, I felt that they did a rush job on introducing Two-Face and killing him off. Aaron Eckhart did a fantastic job, but his transformation, and subsequent death, were too quick. I would've liked to see the Two-Face reveal at the end of the scene, and have him as one of the main bad guys for TDKR.
 
2012-06-05 05:08:58 PM

scottydoesntknow: While I loved everything about the Dark Knight, I felt that they did a rush job on introducing Two-Face and killing him off.




pretty much this. In light of that, I felt TDK was about 20 minutes too long. I still want to see TDKR, but I'm a little annoyed that it seems like more movies are running longer than 2 hours when they really don't need to be.
 
2012-06-05 05:15:38 PM

Darth_Lukecash: (Or if you do, mentioned what happens in the scene and why it wasn't needed.


I haven't watched either film since shortly after their respective theatrical releases. But I do have a lasting impression from both, that they seemed to be dragging out as they got to the last act. Maybe tried to stuff too much into each movie. I'm not sure I can remember any one scene in particular as one that needed trimming and/or eliminating, especially not at this point.

That said, I enjoyed both films. I thought they did the best job of any adaptation so far of capturing what my teenage self liked best about the Batman character (mostly from reading Frank Miller's stuff as an adolescent). I'll try to catch this next one in the theater, too.

//would add, Christian Bale's Batman voice was, and still is, ridiculous
//wasn't a huge fan of the rubber mask they used, either
 
2012-06-05 05:17:34 PM

Darth_Lukecash: gopher321: Darth_Lukecash: tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.

I agree - except for his Batman movies.

What scene needed to be cut from the Batman films?

Mrs Cruise's entire dialogue.

The dialogue was fine. Sadly Katie Holmes wasn't up to the other acting standards. I really wish Maggie Gyllenhaal was in the first movie.

But the character was a nice touch a person who knew Wayne and his family before the deaths. And as far as romantic views, Bruce Wayne having a girlfriend that could entice him to retire was a nice foil.


HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh that's cute, you're defending that character.


/dumbest line of that movie
//"I'm a Gotham city district attorney, let me through!"
 
2012-06-05 05:32:04 PM

FeedTheCollapse: scottydoesntknow: While I loved everything about the Dark Knight, I felt that they did a rush job on introducing Two-Face and killing him off.



pretty much this. In light of that, I felt TDK was about 20 minutes too long. I still want to see TDKR, but I'm a little annoyed that it seems like more movies are running longer than 2 hours when they really don't need to be.


So the complaint is that Harvey Dent Two Face was a rush job, but the movie was too long?

I think the characters had a nice balance.

The tragedy of Harvey Dent could only be realized because Nolan showed what was actually lost when he was corrupted by the Joker

His first half showed him as Gotham's white knight. The crusading DA who respected what Batman had to do, knew Gordon was a good man in a bad situation. But he still wanted to do it by the book. Sure, had flashes of anger and instability.

But more importantly, he convinced Bruce that Harvey was the man that would be able to take the weight of being Batman off of him. He had finally inspired a person to fight against the darkness and make Gotham better. To finally allow him to be free to marry Rachel.

His second half shows us what happens if Bruce went down the revenge path. Dent no longer takes irresponsibility for his actions. A man that once preached that Gotham citizens needed to take responsibility now kills with a flip of a coin. The Joker's corruption had an unintenetd consequences. Bruce's one chance to give up being Batman with a clear conscious. Death was this version of Harvey Dent only logical outcome. With his passing, Batman becomes a "killer"...any help from Gotham Police is now dissolved. People now fear him completely. He's become the symbol of evil, though he deserves none of it.
 
2012-06-05 05:37:03 PM

texdent: As long as it's not Return of the King long.


Hear hear.
 
2012-06-05 05:39:59 PM

Mugato: texdent: As long as it's not Return of the King long.

Hear hear.


Oh, I also thought you were simultaneously referencing King Kong, another Peter Jackson movie that dragged the fark way too long.
 
2012-06-05 05:45:00 PM
I'm looking forward to this movie. It will be my first trip to the theater since the last Batman movie.
 
2012-06-05 05:47:16 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: (Or if you do, mentioned what happens in the scene and why it wasn't needed.

I haven't watched either film since shortly after their respective theatrical releases. But I do have a lasting impression from both, that they seemed to be dragging out as they got to the last act. Maybe tried to stuff too much into each movie. I'm not sure I can remember any one scene in particular as one that needed trimming and/or eliminating, especially not at this point.

That said, I enjoyed both films. I thought they did the best job of any adaptation so far of capturing what my teenage self liked best about the Batman character (mostly from reading Frank Miller's stuff as an adolescent). I'll try to catch this next one in the theater, too.

//would add, Christian Bale's Batman voice was, and still is, ridiculous
//wasn't a huge fan of the rubber mask they used, either


Fair enough. Nolan does spend a lot of time setting things up for the payoff in the final act. Take for example the Burma lesson of Alfred. It gave you insight to Alfreds past, the Joker's mindset and eventually what Bruce would have to do to stop the Joker.

I actually loved that scene...but it added time to the movie.

One thing about the Avengers was that they kept the plot simple and characterization to the minimum.
 
2012-06-05 05:49:33 PM

Mugato: Mugato: texdent: As long as it's not Return of the King long.

Hear hear.

Oh, I also thought you were simultaneously referencing King Kong, another Peter Jackson movie that dragged the fark way too long.


Holly crap was Peter Jacksons King Kong suck badly. Seriously badly. Especially the love story between the monkey and the girl. Then they started doing that ice scene. I was never so glad to have the army blow something up.
 
2012-06-05 05:53:16 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Fair enough. Nolan does spend a lot of time setting things up for the payoff in the final act. Take for example the Burma lesson of Alfred. It gave you insight to Alfreds past, the Joker's mindset and eventually what Bruce would have to do to stop the Joker.

I actually loved that scene...but it added time to the movie.


If you put Lucius, Alfred, and Bruce in a conference room and just let them tell stories/make smartass remarks to each other, I would watch the hell out of that. Loved all their interactions.
 
2012-06-05 05:55:41 PM

Darth_Lukecash: So the complaint is that Harvey Dent Two Face was a rush job, but the movie was too long?




pretty much. I can see where you're coming from, but it kind of felt like a story that should've been a setup for the next movie rather than something that pretty began and ended within 20 minutes.
 
2012-06-05 06:03:24 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Darth_Lukecash: So the complaint is that Harvey Dent Two Face was a rush job, but the movie was too long?



pretty much. I can see where you're coming from, but it kind of felt like a story that should've been a setup for the next movie rather than something that pretty began and ended within 20 minutes.


But it began at the begining...when Harvey was actually a good guy. Two-Face is the second part of Harvey. His friendship with Batman and Gordon, and role as knight is the first half.
 
2012-06-05 06:03:35 PM
See, what Nolan SHOULD HAVE done is added an extra half-hour to the Two-Face part of the story to flesh out the post-transformation version of that character and make it seem less tacked on, then split the movie into The Dark Knight pt. 1 (about the Joker) and The Dark Knight pt. 2 (with Two-Face - and it's a nice pun for the character) a la Kill Bill.

But he never asked my opinion.
 
2012-06-05 06:13:35 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.

I agree - except for his Batman movies.


Ugh, really? "Inception" had me looking for my watch multiple times. And I don't even wear a watch anymore.
 
2012-06-05 06:14:40 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I actually loved that scene...but it added time to the movie.


You picked one of the better scenes. They didn't do a whole flashback and sub-story with Young Alfred. Just a simple anecdote, made a point, and was memorable.

Darth_Lukecash: One thing about the Avengers was that they kept the plot simple and characterization to the minimum.


Haven't seen it, probably going to have to catch it after it's out of theaters.
 
2012-06-05 06:15:45 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: See, what Nolan SHOULD HAVE done is added an extra half-hour to the Two-Face part of the story to flesh out the post-transformation version of that character and make it seem less tacked on, then split the movie into The Dark Knight pt. 1 (about the Joker) and The Dark Knight pt. 2 (with Two-Face - and it's a nice pun for the character) a la Kill Bill.

But he never asked my opinion.



I'm not even a comic book guy and even I know that Two Face is supposed to have a dual personality, determined on the flip of his coin. One side, he's a straight laced man of the law, the other side, an arch criminal. I'm not one to whine about keeping faithful to the source material but that wasn't even close.
 
2012-06-05 06:16:12 PM

Mugato: Mugato: texdent: As long as it's not Return of the King long.

Hear hear.

Oh, I also thought you were simultaneously referencing King Kong, another Peter Jackson movie that dragged the fark way too long.


That is the only movie I saw in theaters where I looked at my watch.
 
2012-06-05 06:16:59 PM

fusillade762: Ugh, really? "Inception" had me looking for my watch multiple times. And I don't even wear a watch anymore.


I saw that in the theater, had broken my shoulder the day before. I'm probably not the best judge of whether it was long and/or well paced.
 
2012-06-05 06:17:18 PM

Darth_Lukecash: FeedTheCollapse: Darth_Lukecash: So the complaint is that Harvey Dent Two Face was a rush job, but the movie was too long?



pretty much. I can see where you're coming from, but it kind of felt like a story that should've been a setup for the next movie rather than something that pretty began and ended within 20 minutes.

But it began at the begining...when Harvey was actually a good guy. Two-Face is the second part of Harvey. His friendship with Batman and Gordon, and role as knight is the first half.


I meant more the Two-Face portion pretty much beginning and ending within 20 minutes. Dent may've been there the whole time, but Two-face was not. I kind of agree with this approach:

Rev. Skarekroe: See, what Nolan SHOULD HAVE done is added an extra half-hour to the Two-Face part of the story to flesh out the post-transformation version of that character and make it seem less tacked on




I think it still would've felt overly long, but it would certainly feel less tacked on or like I'm watching a really condensed sequel.
 
2012-06-05 06:19:12 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: One thing about the Avengers was that they kept the plot simple and characterization to the minimum.

Haven't seen it, probably going to have to catch it after it's out of theaters.


Actually the story was simple but the characterization of all the main characters was one of its strengths and what differentiated it from other FX laden summer crap like Transformers or Battleship. There were real character moments in The Avengers.
 
2012-06-05 06:24:19 PM
I don't mind the long run time, but could you please give a 5-10 minute intermission so I can take a leak without missing anything?
 
2012-06-05 06:26:12 PM

FeedTheCollapse: I think it still would've felt overly long, but it would certainly feel less tacked on or like I'm watching a really condensed sequel.


That was kind of my feeling - tried to smoosh too much in there. Ended up not doing justice to one of the story arcs, but at the same time, there were too many arcs for a single feature film, so by the start of the last act I'm thinking either "finally" or "jesus I hope this is the last part". Not that any individual part was done poorly mind you.

Though now that I'm reminded of it, the end of the second one where Batman has to look like a murderer and have everyone hate him because, well, for some reason that's needed - was less than great.
Or the first one, "I'm not going to kill you - but I don't have to save you...HAHA! See! That's how I'm different from other heroes!"

Probably either film could have been better with one major villain instead of two.
 
2012-06-05 06:27:57 PM
I think the ridiculous mapping and emp phone in China as well as the voice recognition and mapping nonsense back in Gotham could've been ignored. Oh, and the bullet reconstruction for fingerprint thing. Those stole about 5-10 minutes from the film, but, worse, each was a diversion from the story and shattered my suspension of disbelief temporarily.

Have Lucius tell him where Lau had his offices after the meeting. Lucius then cuts power to the building. Hong Kong solved easily in less time. Plus, the Joker could set out a huge message since he clearly wanted Batman and the police to arrive what with the hostage reversal. Put the burning bat symbol in the side of the building or something. Finally, why does Bruce have to find the officers for this big reveal to happen with the attempted assassination? Scene is useful for Gordon and Harvey, but not Bruce.
 
2012-06-05 06:30:37 PM

Mugato: tallguywithglasseson: Darth_Lukecash: One thing about the Avengers was that they kept the plot simple and characterization to the minimum.

Haven't seen it, probably going to have to catch it after it's out of theaters.

Actually the story was simple but the characterization of all the main characters was one of its strengths and what differentiated it from other FX laden summer crap like Transformers or Battleship. There were real character moments in The Avengers.


Oh sure...character moments, but really no character arcs. But that's why they have their own movies...develop the characters there. Avengers was more about the team becoming a team. But it was really simply done to allow it to have a gigantic fight scene at the end of the movie.
 
2012-06-05 06:30:55 PM

Darth_Lukecash: tallguywithglasseson: Probably could be edited down to 2 hours and made better for it.

I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.


so you didnt see tdk?
 
2012-06-05 06:31:49 PM

Vangor: Oh, and the bullet reconstruction for fingerprint thing


Yeah, that made no sense whatsoever, even on a comic book level.
 
2012-06-05 06:32:07 PM

sotua: Darth_Lukecash: tallguywithglasseson: Probably could be edited down to 2 hours and made better for it.

I haven't seen a Nolan film that had an ounce of fat on it. He packs a lot of story in his movies...and they are all so expertly paced and edited that they do not seem like long movies.

so you didnt see tdk?


It's one of my favorite Batman movie. Thought it was expertly paced.
 
2012-06-05 06:34:58 PM
I'd better start saving my pee, I'm going to need a lot of it
 
2012-06-05 06:38:58 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Oh sure...character moments, but really no character arcs. But that's why they have their own movies...develop the characters there. Avengers was more about the team becoming a team. But it was really simply done to allow it to have a gigantic fight scene at the end of the movie.


I think the whole team had an arc in that they all had reasons for hating each other and eventually came to respect each other. I'm not saying its a deep character arc like Schindler's List or The Karate Kid 3 but it was an arc.
 
2012-06-05 06:50:11 PM
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2012-06-05 07:00:09 PM

Mugato: I'm not saying its a deep character arc like Schindler's List or The Karate Kid 3 but it was an arc.


Karate Kid 3 was robbed of its Oscar.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly about the team arc. It was about the group of individuals becoming a team. It took me a while to realize that.

But then Hulk stole that entire movie.
 
2012-06-05 07:00:32 PM

scottydoesntknow: Darth_Lukecash: Fair enough. Nolan does spend a lot of time setting things up for the payoff in the final act. Take for example the Burma lesson of Alfred. It gave you insight to Alfreds past, the Joker's mindset and eventually what Bruce would have to do to stop the Joker.

I actually loved that scene...but it added time to the movie.

If you put Lucius, Alfred, and Bruce in a conference room and just let them tell stories/make smartass remarks to each other, I would watch the hell out of that. Loved all their interactions.


I came away from that scene thinking Alfred was tougher than Batman. Bruce should have listened to his advice more.

Mugato: Mugato: texdent: As long as it's not Return of the King long.

Hear hear.

Oh, I also thought you were simultaneously referencing King Kong, another Peter Jackson movie that dragged the fark way too long.


That might be one of the more dissapointing movies I had looked forward. I've always liked the original and I had read it was Jackson's favorite. Unfortunatly, he forgot an editor or something on that one, because everything from the freaking cook delivering the big monster speech to how Carl Denham was turned into a used car salesmen to that hour long Bronto stampede to the whinny kid to that ice dancing scene to the LOTR-looking ruins all over Skull Island, the whole thing felt off.
 
2012-06-05 07:02:02 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: I don't mind the long run time, but could you please give a 5-10 minute intermission so I can take a leak without missing anything?


i do really wish they would bring back intermissions. i understand times are different, with people sneaking into theaters and trying to pack in a bunch of showings, but man i enjoy having those at plays.
 
2012-06-05 07:04:31 PM

Your_Huckleberry: I came away from that scene thinking Alfred was tougher than Batman. Bruce should have listened to his advice more.


I think the point of the scene was to say Bruce was tougher than Alfred. Alfred seemed regretful saying, "We burned the forest down." In some respects, he listened to his advice.
 
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