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2012-06-05 03:30:52 PM  
I put on my robe and wizard hat
 
2012-06-05 03:43:50 PM  
That game looks worse than a free-to-play Korean third-string MMO. And at least those are fun.
 
2012-06-05 03:51:20 PM  
Graphics and art are....less than meh. Too bad. It'd be nice to have something well-produced that isn't all pokemon and fuzzy bunnies.
 
2012-06-05 04:00:09 PM  

TFA: which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire


So the game features griefing, griefing, and griefing. Great. Let me not sign up for that one.
 
2012-06-05 04:01:35 PM  
Next to the Compleat Apventure, this was my favorite game!
 
2012-06-05 04:01:59 PM  
Gah!

Sir Tech's Wizardry has been Japanified. I suspect there will also be tentacle rape too.
 
2012-06-05 04:04:53 PM  

Earthen: TFA: which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire

So the game features griefing, griefing, and griefing. Great. Let me not sign up for that one.


GMs will have their hands full for sure, but it might work out.

Just because a game allows all those things doesn't mean they welcome people to abuse and harass other customers.
 
2012-06-05 04:05:51 PM  

Earthen: TFA: which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire

So the game features griefing, griefing, and griefing. Great. Let me not sign up for that one.


Yeah. Even if you're a hardcore player, isn't it more about the solo challenge of increasing your own skill to beat the game? And that that mitigates any frustration, because you know that if you work harder, you'll be able to beat it? I'd think being in a party and getting wiped due to someone else's incompetence would just lead to fits of rage.
 
2012-06-05 04:09:07 PM  
I might give it a look. I like how there's no map so learning areas is useful, full PK so you have to trust your team and watch your back, and death has a severe consequence (though permadeath may be a bit too harsh). Japan has done a good job with the Wizardry franchise IMO, keeping it alive if not thriving (Tales of the Forsaken Land PS2 / Labyrinth of Lost Souls PSN). Heck there was even a decent Wizardry OAV released back in the early 90s.

Of course any potential full will likely be ruined when you get a permadeath by a griefer named "Buttsex69lol."
 
mhd
2012-06-05 04:09:08 PM  
"Sir-Tech's renowned retro Wizardry series of RPGs"

First of all: Wouldn't it have to be new and just reminiscent of the past to be called retro? As opposed to, you know, "old"?

Second: No. That doesn't look remotely like the Wizardry I remember. I'll spit acid on anyone who says so.
 
2012-06-05 04:09:27 PM  
Not to mention losing your max level guy to the lag monster. He's always a sneaky one.
 
2012-06-05 04:10:51 PM  

Earthen: TFA: which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire

So the game features griefing, griefing, and griefing. Great. Let me not sign up for that one.


After dismal subscription rates after the 1 month trial, back to care bear land it is.

//Trammel.... ugh.
 
2012-06-05 04:16:34 PM  
Oh no, of course no Care-Pandas, heaven forbid! Instead we have 3ft tall gerbil-elves!
 
2012-06-05 04:18:13 PM  
Hopefully this is not a WoW type game....would like another Wizardry game....have played them all up to #8.
 
2012-06-05 04:18:22 PM  

Earthen: TFA: which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire

So the game features griefing, griefing, and griefing. Great. Let me not sign up for that one.


I think this may be secretly funded by Blizzard to get the d-bags out of their games.
 
2012-06-05 04:21:30 PM  

madgonad: Gah!

Sir Tech's Wizardry has been Japanified. I suspect there will also be tentacle rape too.


muscledfangfirebaby.files.wordpress.com

jungle vines!
 
mhd
2012-06-05 04:25:05 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Oh no, of course no Care-Pandas, heaven forbid! Instead we have 3ft tall gerbil-elves!


And, well...

i49.tinypic.com

/"The safe word is either Escape or C-[."
 
2012-06-05 04:27:20 PM  
Stopped reading after I got to 'SOE'. Wizardry is a great and legendary series, but this is gonna suck balls because of Sony.

Prediction: 6 months before it goes FTP unless it starts off with the micro-transaction system from the gate. Whatever is good about the game will be phased out over the course of a year in order to make it closer to WoW in terms of playstyle.
 
2012-06-05 04:35:49 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Whatever is good about the game will be phased out over the course of a year in order to make it closer to WoW in terms of playstyle.


Sadly you are probably right. The simple fact is that the majority of players are 'casual' players, and don't want to have to work too hard at anything. Game producers ignore them at their peril.
 
2012-06-05 04:36:16 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Prediction: 6 months before it goes FTP unless it starts off with the micro-transaction system from the gate. Whatever is good about the game will be phased out over the course of a year in order to make it closer to WoW in terms of playstyle.


So, why would someone that plays wow even bother to switch games?

That's the problem some developers don't see. If WoW does just about everything than any other MMO, why bother playing any other MMO?
 
2012-06-05 04:40:54 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Oh no, of course no Care-Pandas, heaven forbid! Instead we have 3ft tall gerbil-elves!


those would hurt going in and coming out... think of the ears!

t3.gstatic.com

/lemmiwinks.
 
2012-06-05 04:50:28 PM  
I don't mind a hard game, but a hard game where I have to rely on other people not being stupid does not appeal. Maybe small parties in an online coop would be cool, but no MMO.
 
2012-06-05 04:57:16 PM  
I hope it looks as good as the original:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-05 04:59:40 PM  

Dinobot: So, why would someone that plays wow even bother to switch games?

That's the problem some developers don't see. If WoW does just about everything than any other MMO, why bother playing any other MMO?


Why would someone that eats almost every day at McDonalds go to Five Guys?

I'm not joking, it's a close analogy. It's not that WoW does anything spectacularly, it's that it's fast, easy, and available pretty much whenever you want it. Every so often, something new comes along and people try it out. Some people will like it better and switch, most will return to the familiarity. Every so often, like now, WoW hits a lull cycle where they have a dip in the population because a majority of the players have every possible character combo maxed out and something new comes along. People try the new thing, then go back to WoW when the next push comes along and there's new content.

This is one of the reasons why I think that SWTOR, if they can pop out endgame content fast enough, will succeed where so many other MMO's have gone off to the FTP retirement home or died; TOR isn't any different from WoW from a play mechanics point of view (push buttons in sequence, wait for cooldown timers, lather, rinse, repeat), it's different from a story mechanics view. It has replay value because of the combinations of paths the stories can take with the choices you make in game.
 
2012-06-05 05:01:34 PM  
Every few years a new MMO with permadeath and player killing comes out I think the developer logic goes something like this. "Wow look at all the people online screaming for a hardcore MMO. There is nothing like it in the market right now we'll make millions" They go on to release the game and find out the few thousand people who were yelling for it are the only ones who will sign up for more than the first free month and go out of business in a year.

Now if they made the game freemium it might have a chance
 
2012-06-05 05:09:37 PM  

Dinki: Sadly you are probably right. The simple fact is that the majority of players are 'casual' players, and don't want to have to work too hard at anything. Game producers ignore them at their peril.


its not even casual, its just that the games have too many loop holes for jerks. The first time i get PK'd and wiped out by someone exploiting a loading/zoning issue or a latency issue or a bug and i'm done. bad enough you have to fair fight someone, but when you have to deal with cheats, lag issues and design limitations?
 
2012-06-05 05:18:09 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: This is one of the reasons why I think that SWTOR, if they can pop out endgame content fast enough, will succeed where so many other MMO's have gone off to the FTP retirement home or died; TOR isn't any different from WoW from a play mechanics point of view (push buttons in sequence, wait for cooldown timers, lather, rinse, repeat), it's different from a story mechanics view. It has replay value because of the combinations of paths the stories can take with the choices you make in game.


SWTOR's leveling experience is very railroaded 'cept for the class quests (and the obvious faction). If you were to level an alt, you will go thru the planets in the exact same order time after time.

WoW has a better leveling experience, you have so many options to take as you level up, even if the game doesn't have class quests anymore. You can choose to be a Tauren Hunter and go thru Ghostlands if you actually feel inclined.
 
2012-06-05 05:22:19 PM  

FlashHarry: madgonad: Gah!

Sir Tech's Wizardry has been Japanified. I suspect there will also be tentacle rape too.

[muscledfangfirebaby.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

jungle vines!


Oh for farks sake.
 
2012-06-05 05:29:00 PM  
1. Create priest
2. Identify item #9
3. WIN

/get off my lawn or face the wrath of werdna
 
2012-06-05 05:36:22 PM  

madgonad: Gah!

Sir Tech's Wizardry has been Japanified. I suspect there will also be tentacle rape too.


Wizardry took off in Japan. There's a dozen or more Japanese Wizardry titles never to be seen elsewhere.
 
2012-06-05 05:50:51 PM  
TFA inadvertently raises the reason why MMOGs are disgustingly abhorrent to anyone with a brain: they copied the fark out of DIKU.

DIKU is a crappy old mud. It was crappy when muds were popular (whenever the hell that was). A bunch of other muds copied DIKU, and then the MMOGs copied that format and slapped some shiny graphics on it.

shiat, man, LP was far better.
 
2012-06-05 05:53:33 PM  

2chris2: I hope it looks as good as the original:

[i48.tinypic.com image 368x286]


I was actually disappointed to click the link and find out it wasn't just a free online version of the original.
 
2012-06-05 05:57:17 PM  

swaxhog: madgonad: Gah!

Sir Tech's Wizardry has been Japanified. I suspect there will also be tentacle rape too.

Wizardry took off in Japan. There's a dozen or more Japanese Wizardry titles never to be seen elsewhere.


Not only that, if you grew up on and still crave those biatch hard, obscure, cruel dungeon crawlers, Japan is where you go. Cute graphics are often a thing, but all it does is soften the look of absolutely brutal games.

Etrian Odyssey 1-3, The Dark Spire, Class of Heroes are all available on either DS or PSP, direct descendents of dungeon crawlers. For PS2, if you're really lucky, you can find a copy of Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land, which I truly recommend.

PS3 actually put Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls on its store sometime last year. Again, yes, there are Japanese or cute graphics in many of these, but if you can shove your trendy hate of 'weaboo' up your ass, there's lots of nostalgia out there. I should also mention, lest I forget, Legend of Grimrock on PC.
 
2012-06-05 05:58:02 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: I was actually disappointed to click the link and find out it wasn't just a free online version of the original.


me too. there must be an emulator out there that has it.
 
2012-06-05 05:58:49 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Just because a game allows all those things doesn't mean they welcome people to abuse and harass other customers.


If they didn't want people to abuse and harass each other, they wouldn't add those features.
 
2012-06-05 06:00:46 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Just because a game allows all those things doesn't mean they welcome people to abuse and harass other customers.


Have you actually spent any time interacting with other humans in an online game? As far as I can tell, regardless of the game, rule #1 is: Be the biggest, most obnoxious dick to other players as much and as often as you possibly can.
 
2012-06-05 06:05:03 PM  

casual disregard: TFA inadvertently raises the reason why MMOGs are disgustingly abhorrent to anyone with a brain: they copied the fark out of DIKU.

DIKU is a crappy old mud. It was crappy when muds were popular (whenever the hell that was). A bunch of other muds copied DIKU, and then the MMOGs copied that format and slapped some shiny graphics on it.

shiat, man, LP was far better.


SMAUG was best.

//Yeah I know it's DIKU based too.
 
2012-06-05 06:12:31 PM  
which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire.

That game will fail unless there is a way to control who you play with.

Old story bro: Years and years before the actual Lord of the Rings MMO came out they started to make one that had all of those same features and the backlash from the player community was somewhat extreme. Learning their lesson, they decided to double down on that by saying that you could be killed even while you were offline.
 
2012-06-05 06:13:14 PM  

KhamanV: swaxhog: madgonad: Gah!

Sir Tech's Wizardry has been Japanified. I suspect there will also be tentacle rape too.

Wizardry took off in Japan. There's a dozen or more Japanese Wizardry titles never to be seen elsewhere.

Not only that, if you grew up on and still crave those biatch hard, obscure, cruel dungeon crawlers, Japan is where you go. Cute graphics are often a thing, but all it does is soften the look of absolutely brutal games.

Etrian Odyssey 1-3, The Dark Spire, Class of Heroes are all available on either DS or PSP, direct descendents of dungeon crawlers. For PS2, if you're really lucky, you can find a copy of Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land, which I truly recommend.

PS3 actually put Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls on its store sometime last year. Again, yes, there are Japanese or cute graphics in many of these, but if you can shove your trendy hate of 'weaboo' up your ass, there's lots of nostalgia out there. I should also mention, lest I forget, Legend of Grimrock on PC.


I want to get a DS at some point so I can check out Etrian and The Dark Spire. I actually do have Tale of the Forsaken land that I bought used at a Gamestop so many years ago, it's one of my all-time favorites and I also recommend (and no there aren't cutsey graphics for folks who may be put off by that, very western designs).

I have Labyrinth of Lost Souls that I need to get moving on, got my ass kicked my first time out (to be expected), but am currently enraptured by Dragon's Dogma and have a hard time playing anything else.
 
2012-06-05 06:17:30 PM  

randomjsa: which is a result of features such as permadeath, player-killing, and friendly-fire.

That game will fail unless there is a way to control who you play with.

Old story bro: Years and years before the actual Lord of the Rings MMO came out they started to make one that had all of those same features and the backlash from the player community was somewhat extreme. Learning their lesson, they decided to double down on that by saying that you could be killed even while you were offline.


I played a mud like that.

You could be PK'd for up to 5 minutes after you logged off if you didn't log off in your home or a temple safe zone.

Difficulty: You could only get to a temple safe zone if you were not flagged as a murderer, and player homes were hard to come by.
 
2012-06-05 06:23:31 PM  

Yuri Futanari:

I have Labyrinth of Lost Souls that I need to get moving on, got my ass kicked my first time out (to be expected), but am currently enraptured by Dragon's Dogma and have a hard time playing anything else.


They're masterworks all; you can't go wrong.
They're masterworks all; you can't go wrong.
They're masterworks all; you can't go wrong.

I farking love that game, though.
 
2012-06-05 06:38:36 PM  
us.media1.battle.net

Sorry cute Panda chick is gonna kick your ass.

/am absolutely loving the Mists Beta
//there is - no fooling - more then twice the play in the 85-90 content in Mists then in the 60-70 of Outland in TBC or 70-80 of Wrath. Don't even start on how much better then the 80-85 content in Cata.
///characters are fun, the environments are gorgeous, the stories are interesting and they don't drag or make you continue to work on things you don't like just to keep going like in Cata
 
2012-06-05 08:03:50 PM  

saintstryfe: Don't even start on how much better then the 80-85 content in Cata.


5 levels of poop quests would be better than Cata 80-85 content.

/except for Mylune. Don't make her give you the big eyes.
 
2012-06-05 08:30:50 PM  

Dinobot: RoyFokker'sGhost: This is one of the reasons why I think that SWTOR, if they can pop out endgame content fast enough, will succeed where so many other MMO's have gone off to the FTP retirement home or died; TOR isn't any different from WoW from a play mechanics point of view (push buttons in sequence, wait for cooldown timers, lather, rinse, repeat), it's different from a story mechanics view. It has replay value because of the combinations of paths the stories can take with the choices you make in game.

SWTOR's leveling experience is very railroaded 'cept for the class quests (and the obvious faction). If you were to level an alt, you will go thru the planets in the exact same order time after time.

WoW has a better leveling experience, you have so many options to take as you level up, even if the game doesn't have class quests anymore. You can choose to be a Tauren Hunter and go thru Ghostlands if you actually feel inclined.


I mean the choices you make while doing the missions. Leveled up a light-side Jedi Sentinel? Cool, roll up a Knight and go Dark Side; see what happens when you kill Master Orgus instead of siding with him on Tython. You will go through the planets in the same order, yes, but not necessarily have the same experiences. Stay 'just friends' with Kira or give into your passions? Again, slight changes in the storyline based on your conversation choices.
 
2012-06-05 08:44:44 PM  

Dinobot: RoyFokker'sGhost: Prediction: 6 months before it goes FTP unless it starts off with the micro-transaction system from the gate. Whatever is good about the game will be phased out over the course of a year in order to make it closer to WoW in terms of playstyle.

So, why would someone that plays wow even bother to switch games?

That's the problem some developers don't see. If WoW does just about everything than any other MMO, why bother playing any other MMO?


Exactly. They keep trying the same thing which is done to great effect with movies and single player games: copying what earned a lot of money before to make more money, but it doesn't work the same with MMOs.

This particular world doesn't really appeal to me. Kind of burned out on the fantasy genre. But i'm glad to see someone doing something different, and i know there's lots of people who the 'hardcore' aspects would appeal to.
 
2012-06-05 08:47:30 PM  

2chris2: I hope it looks as good as the original:

[i48.tinypic.com image 368x286]


fight
fight
fight
parry
parry
tiltowait!
 
2012-06-05 09:49:00 PM  

Tax Boy: 1. Create priest
2. Identify item #9
3. WIN

/get off my lawn or face the wrath of werdna


Um... you meant Bishop, right?

Yes, you did.

/E)dge of Town
//M)aze
///cast buffs
////cast Malor
//8 north 2 east 8 down
//A chute!
//blah blah blah... contra dextra avenue
//PS - Trebor sux
 
2012-06-05 11:49:24 PM  
I used to watch my older brother play Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord, waaaaay back when I couldn't afford any gaming platform of my own (and was more interested in reading the manuals anyway).
 
Skr
2012-06-05 11:58:13 PM  
Dammit. Wizardry I loved your quirky ways. Y U have to be MMO? Been waiting so long for another one in the franchise. That and a Might & Magic game that isn't a pile of goblin crap.
 
2012-06-06 12:24:18 AM  
Anyone looking for a fun hardcore dungeon crawler should look into Dungeons of Dredmor of Steam.

Such a fun and quirky game and dirt cheap to boot.
 
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