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2012-06-05 12:34:08 PM
aht.seriouseats.com
 
2012-06-05 12:43:44 PM
Actually, I thought that was fairly well-written.
 
2012-06-05 12:43:52 PM
I'm sure he'll make a joke out of it, and we'll all chuckle and appreciate his self-deprciating humor.
 
2012-06-05 12:44:16 PM
I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.
 
2012-06-05 12:47:20 PM
Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!

One of the big reasons IMO that the portion sizes have increased is that the incremental cost of the larger portions is so small. A regular size soda is say $1.79, but a jumbo (2x as much) is only 30c more. If they required sodas over a certain unit size to cost the same per ounce as smaller sizes, it would accomplish a lot of the objectives.

Do the calories in these serving sizes provide for ice? A 16 oz soda in a FF restaurant isn't as big as one from a bottle.
 
2012-06-05 12:47:41 PM
Wasn't Bloomberg the one who banned smoking just about everywhere in NYC?

And didn't most of you said smoking is gross and people who do it are stupid anyway?
 
2012-06-05 12:47:41 PM

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:37 PM
Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

This is why NYC sucks.Stupid crybaby nanny state.
 
2012-06-05 12:50:05 PM
Why do Democrats want the government to decide how much sodipop we can drink? Wouldn't it be appropriate to put power abusing politicians who try to ban beverages in prison or publicly execute them?
 
2012-06-05 12:50:12 PM

Lsherm: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.


It's total weight. Burger + bun + toppings.
 
2012-06-05 12:53:19 PM
I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem
 
2012-06-05 12:56:15 PM

TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem


Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.
 
2012-06-05 12:56:21 PM
Whether you think an elitist, billionaire New Yorker has any business blocking your path to the soda fountain is one issue. His motives, however, are unquestionable.

Well, shiat. I guess it's okay, then.
 
2012-06-05 12:57:49 PM

Happy Hours: Wasn't Bloomberg the one who banned smoking just about everywhere in NYC?

And didn't most of you said smoking is gross and people who do it are stupid anyway?


Not only banned smoking in most public places (to include parks) but taxed cigarettes so they are upwards of $12.00 pack.
 
2012-06-05 12:58:53 PM

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?
 
2012-06-05 12:59:04 PM

Job Creator: Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!


There are so many cheap, delicious food options in NYC. Why are you going to McDonalds?

/I used to eat at McD's in NYC
//I used to ask myself that same question.
 
2012-06-05 12:59:55 PM

Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?


Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
2012-06-05 01:00:37 PM

Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?


They do. Prostitution is legal and you're required to disclose any known STDs to partners in most areas.
 
2012-06-05 01:00:49 PM
Actually I don't. Interesting thing though I'll bypass the McDonald's and order the same burger at the bodega down the block that doesn't have to post their calories.

/Ignorance is bliss
 
2012-06-05 01:01:12 PM

Carth: Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?

They do. Prostitution is illegal and you're required to disclose any known STDs to partners in most areas.


FTFM
 
2012-06-05 01:01:32 PM
I do think this ban is dumb. You can not legislate people in to having willpower... And healthy people shouldn't be penalized because of land whales like me having none.
 
2012-06-05 01:02:40 PM

bottsicus: Actually, I thought that was fairly well-written.


Yeah, it surprised me to see Alec Baldwin not only using up-to-date medical research, but also discussing the problem in the same terms that physicians and biochemists do. If only all the Baldwins were as conscious of community health science, the world might be a better place.
 
2012-06-05 01:02:46 PM

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Thank you, Comrade
 
2012-06-05 01:03:23 PM

Carth: Carth: Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?

They do. Prostitution is illegal and you're required to disclose any known STDs to partners in most areas.

FTFM


You got me excited for just a second.
 
2012-06-05 01:04:04 PM
As a pragmatist (as opposed to an ideologue) I see it as a question of "will this help reduce obesity?", instead of "whar freedoms whar?"

I honestly don't know the answer, but I sort of doubt it'll make any difference. It's not like cigarette taxes, which really do get people to smoke less.
 
2012-06-05 01:04:12 PM

Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.


You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."
 
2012-06-05 01:04:44 PM

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Enough already with this healthcare cost bullshiat. How many things are we going to take away or ban because we all supposedly pay into the healthcare system? We don't even have universal healthcare! People die ALL THE TIME without EVER going to the doctor. Moreover, a person who will drink a 64oz soda, get double meat, and extra cheese isn't going to the doctor regularly anyway.
 
2012-06-05 01:05:27 PM

WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.


try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.
 
2012-06-05 01:06:52 PM

Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.


Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious
 
2012-06-05 01:07:44 PM
That ass clown Bloomberg should keep it real and try to the limit the size of pizza slices....then you would really see some outrage in NYC.
 
2012-06-05 01:10:31 PM

Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.


Thanks for the advice, but I am doing a weight loss medical program and learning to eat properly in the hopes of not gaining back what is lost, but you go with your bad self! That is alot of weight!
 
2012-06-05 01:11:01 PM
Can't stop the freight train, regardless of how many laws you pass. The whole drive for larger portions is a direct result of us as a society being greedier than previous generations. We've become incredibly focused on self-gratification at the cost of not only those around us, but our own health. Passing laws won't fix that.
 
2012-06-05 01:11:57 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious


Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.
 
2012-06-05 01:12:44 PM

Wooly Bully: As a pragmatist (as opposed to an ideologue) I see it as a question of "will this help reduce obesity?", instead of "whar freedoms whar?"

I honestly don't know the answer, but I sort of doubt it'll make any difference. It's not like cigarette taxes, which really do get people to smoke less.


One of the biggest problems with this proposed ban is that the science is pretty shaky. There's a strong likelihood that it will only serve to annoy people without actually resulting in any benefit to anyone.
 
2012-06-05 01:12:48 PM
He sounds fat.
 
2012-06-05 01:13:50 PM

midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."


you don't think it's government interference to provide welfare is the first place?
 
2012-06-05 01:14:36 PM

Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.



You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.
 
2012-06-05 01:15:23 PM

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


Corn subsidies couldn't possibly have anything to do with that. So we'd better not repeal them, since that would be the same thing as raising taxes. Grover told me so.
 
2012-06-05 01:15:44 PM

TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem


I'm on the fence about it. I completely believe that sodas as large as they serve should NOT be available, just as soda. However, if they're half-filled with booze, it's just a cocktail on-the-go.
 
2012-06-05 01:16:01 PM

Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.


Why do you assume I'm unhealthy?
 
2012-06-05 01:16:28 PM

cmunic8r99: [america_sounds_fat.jpg]


This.
 
2012-06-05 01:17:33 PM

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


You do know that stores are going to find a way around the stupid law right? Let's see, sell the cups seperately and let the customers fill their own cup.
 
2012-06-05 01:19:01 PM

Hebalo: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious

Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


and for lunch and dinner?

Details, man!
 
2012-06-05 01:19:12 PM
There are two very different issues here:

A) Does Bloomberg have the power to do this?

I would say yes. It's a commerce and governments can regulate commerce like this and there is a reason for doing so.

B) Is this a good law?

I don't think so because to me it targets one specific cause of the problem. I would like to see a law or laws that would tackle the issue more fairly and not singling out a single product. I would prefer to try to give more power to consumers first before just an out and out ban. I think there are probably more broader ways to handle the issue.

/I've lost 30lbs mostly just eating smaller portions and less calorie dense food.
 
2012-06-05 01:21:34 PM

Hebalo: Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.

Why do you assume I'm unhealthy?


Becase you are over weight? If I was wrong then I apologize.
 
2012-06-05 01:22:30 PM

HMS_Blinkin: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

Corn subsidies couldn't possibly have anything to do with that. So we'd better not repeal them, since that would be the same thing as raising taxes. Grover told me so.


A good idea but I don't think the Mayor of NYC has the power to repeal corn subsidies.
 
2012-06-05 01:23:52 PM

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


THIS.

Tired of hearing "Oh it's because we eat wheat" from the cult of Paleo. We've been eatting wheat for like 30,000 years!! Obesity hasn't been this rampant until the last few decades. Italians who eat more pasta then the US are much skinner!! (they eat smaller portions)
 
2012-06-05 01:28:14 PM

DirkValentine: Hebalo: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious

Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.

and for lunch and dinner?

Details, man!


Lol.

Lunch: usually chicken or steak or pork with mixed veg (I like red/orange/yellow bell peppers, asparagus, zucchini, onion, mushroom. Usually I'll either pan fry or even grill it up once a week. You could also do salad, though dressing with no carbs and no sugar is tricky. (veg has some carb, but the idea is to limit and keep to slow burning carbs).

Dinner: varies, but again, 1/4 to 1/2 protein, the rest veg. i eat a lot of steelhead trout or salmon, the occasional roast, steak, or shrimp. You have to find a few ways to prep veggies, but it's not tricky.

Drink a bunch of water (theoretically your weight divided by 2 in ounces per day.) I started at 230, so 115 oz or around 3.5 Litres a day. I'm down to 195ish so less than 3 L now.
 
2012-06-05 01:29:33 PM

Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.

Why do you assume I'm unhealthy?

Becase you are over weight? If I was wrong then I apologize.


You make no sense. You claim I can be not fat and unhealthy, but I'm unhealthy because I'm overweight?

I'm 5'10, 195, started at 230.
 
2012-06-05 01:32:08 PM

Hebalo: Lol.

Lunch: usually chicken or steak or pork with mixed veg (I like red/orange/yellow bell peppers, asparagus, zucchini, onion, mushroom. Usually I'll either pan fry or even grill it up once a week. You could also do salad, though dressing with no carbs and no sugar is tricky. (veg has some carb, but the idea is to limit and keep to slow burning carbs).

Dinner: varies, but again, 1/4 to 1/2 protein, the rest veg. i eat a lot of steelhead trout or salmon, the occasional roast, steak, or shrimp. You have to find a few ways to prep veggies, but it's not tricky.

Drink a bunch of water (theoretically your weight divided by 2 in ounces per day.) I started at 230, so 115 oz or around 3.5 Litres a day. I'm down to 195ish so less than 3 L now.


And do you plan to eat this way for the rest of your life?
 
2012-06-05 01:32:10 PM

midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."


Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.
 
2012-06-05 01:32:37 PM
"So, yeah, I'll have a Big Mac, large fries, and three small Cokes."
 
2012-06-05 01:33:12 PM
Wasn't he supposed to leave the country a few yars ago?

I don't have any problems with soda - its the high calorie homebrews that do me in.
 
2012-06-05 01:33:18 PM

Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.


For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.
 
2012-06-05 01:34:33 PM

Gunny Highway: Job Creator: Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!

There are so many cheap, delicious food options in NYC. Why are you going to McDonalds?

/I used to eat at McD's in NYC
//I used to ask myself that same question.


Someone should have warned me Nathans was not one of those delicious options. We visited there last week and that was one of the worst hot dogs Ive ever had. Had some great sushi in a little place on 28th street though.
 
2012-06-05 01:34:35 PM
The people who whine about the oppressive Nanny State are the same ones who want to micromanage what food stamp recipients should be allowed to eat. In fact, quite a few of them have said here that someone who's receiving any sort of public assistance should be prohibited from buying fast food even with their own cash.
 
2012-06-05 01:34:36 PM
FTFA:
Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.
 
2012-06-05 01:36:32 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA:
Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.


Didn't RON PAUL run for president as a Libertarian? He is against gay marriage.
 
2012-06-05 01:36:52 PM

Hebalo: DirkValentine: Hebalo: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious

Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.

and for lunch and dinner?

Details, man!

Lol.

Lunch: usually chicken or steak or pork with mixed veg (I like red/orange/yellow bell peppers, asparagus, zucchini, onion, mushroom. Usually I'll either pan fry or even grill it up once a week. You could also do salad, though dressing with no carbs and no sugar is tricky. (veg has some carb, but the idea is to limit and keep to slow burning carbs).

Dinner: varies, but again, 1/4 to 1/2 protein, the rest veg. i eat a lot of steelhead trout or salmon, the occasional roast, steak, or shrimp. You have to find a few ways to prep veggies, but it's not tricky.

Drink a bunch of water (theoretically your weight divided by 2 in ounces per day.) I started at 230, so 115 oz or around 3.5 Litres a day. I'm down to 195ish so less than 3 L now.


I eat seafood, rice, veggies 6/7 nights a week. A variety of ways, but mostly soups.

Fish soup, hell yeah. rice, of course, is optional.
 
2012-06-05 01:36:52 PM

Corvus: And do you plan to eat this way for the rest of your life?


I plan to get to my target (180), then add some fruit and grain ( in moderation) back in, in limited amounts, so that I can stabilize my weight. If I kept eating this way, i'd keep losing 2-3 lbs a week.

but add rice, potato, and bread on a regular basis? nope.

Going to add some weight training back in as well, but want to shed more fat first.
 
2012-06-05 01:36:52 PM
For me... this, and TDS piece on the move to curb soda portion size is more indicative of the problem, and that problem is the waistline of the nation.

We can't legislate away foods that are 'bad' for us. This isn't tobacco or opiates. And it would be ridiculous to try. What can be done is limiting portion size, at least outside of the home, to something that isn't ridiculously lard-ass-inducing.
 
2012-06-05 01:37:09 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA:
Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.


Well that's Ron Paul's position. And people who identify themselves as "libertarian" support his views which are these.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:01 PM

Hebalo: DirkValentine: Hebalo: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious

Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.

and for lunch and dinner?

Details, man!

Lol.

Lunch: usually chicken or steak or pork with mixed veg (I like red/orange/yellow bell peppers, asparagus, zucchini, onion, mushroom. Usually I'll either pan fry or even grill it up once a week. You could also do salad, though dressing with no carbs and no sugar is tricky. (veg has some carb, but the idea is to limit and keep to slow burning carbs).

Dinner: varies, but again, 1/4 to 1/2 protein, the rest veg. i eat a lot of steelhead trout or salmon, the occasional roast, steak, or shrimp. You have to find a few ways to prep veggies, but it's not tricky.

Drink a bunch of water (theoretically your weight divided by 2 in ounces per day.) I started at 230, so 115 oz or around 3.5 Litres a day. I'm down to 195ish so less than 3 L now.


That is very similar to what I am doing.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:02 PM

Hebalo: try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.


Your kidneys are going to hate you and unless you maintain that diet forever, you will gain the weight back really quickly.

Good for losing weight, though. Seriously.


Johnny Savage: Whether you think an elitist, billionaire New Yorker has any business blocking your path to the soda fountain is one issue. His motives, however, are unquestionable.

Well, shiat. I guess it's okay, then.


You know who else had unquestionable motives
 
2012-06-05 01:38:26 PM

Carth: Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.

For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.


I don't live in China, but I don't think it's a great idea to harvest organs from political prisoners to sell to the wealthy.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:38 PM

Carth: Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.

For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.


Because NYC is often used as a precedent when applying similar amounts of stupidity to otherwise sensible cities/states.

NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.
 
2012-06-05 01:39:20 PM

redmid17: Carth: Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.

For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.

I don't live in China, but I don't think it's a great idea to harvest organs from political prisoners to sell to the wealthy.


You would if you were a wealthy person in need of a kidney.
 
2012-06-05 01:39:35 PM

Hebalo: Corvus: And do you plan to eat this way for the rest of your life?

I plan to get to my target (180), then add some fruit and grain ( in moderation) back in, in limited amounts, so that I can stabilize my weight. If I kept eating this way, i'd keep losing 2-3 lbs a week.

but add rice, potato, and bread on a regular basis? nope.

Going to add some weight training back in as well, but want to shed more fat first.


Well good luck with that.

I eat thing like Pizza, Beer, sandwiches etc pretty commonly and have lost 30lbs In about the same time you have lost 36 eating things I can easily maintain for my entire life.
 
2012-06-05 01:40:53 PM

Carth: redmid17: Carth: Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.

For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.

I don't live in China, but I don't think it's a great idea to harvest organs from political prisoners to sell to the wealthy.

You would if you were a wealthy person in need of a kidney.


Nah, I have a brother with the same blood type who owes me big. A kidney wouldn't even scratch the surface.
 
2012-06-05 01:41:14 PM

Corvus: Hebalo: Corvus: And do you plan to eat this way for the rest of your life?

I plan to get to my target (180), then add some fruit and grain ( in moderation) back in, in limited amounts, so that I can stabilize my weight. If I kept eating this way, i'd keep losing 2-3 lbs a week.

but add rice, potato, and bread on a regular basis? nope.

Going to add some weight training back in as well, but want to shed more fat first.

Well good luck with that.

I eat thing like Pizza, Beer, sandwiches etc pretty commonly and have lost 30lbs In about the same time you have lost 36 eating things I can easily maintain for my entire life.


Oh and I eat shiat ton of rice too.
 
2012-06-05 01:41:23 PM

Carth: redmid17: Carth: Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.

For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.

I don't live in China, but I don't think it's a great idea to harvest organs from political prisoners to sell to the wealthy.

You would if you were a wealthy person in need of a kidney.


If I was a wealthy person who needed a kidney I'd just pay some poor inner-city family a few thousand bucks to sell me their soon to be orphaned accident.

I prefer to buy American when I can :P
 
2012-06-05 01:42:25 PM
I just want a peanut butter cookie the size of a hubcap. Where can I get that?

/and a Diet Coke
 
2012-06-05 01:43:03 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.


Yeah that particular sentence jumped out as amazingly clueless. Actual libertarians are ridiculous in a completely different way.
 
2012-06-05 01:43:45 PM

Strategeryz0r: NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.


Cool and you could pay the huge increase of taxes since those states provide much of the tax money for the US that pays for the welfare states.
 
2012-06-05 01:44:04 PM

Corvus: Well good luck with that.

I eat thing like Pizza, Beer, sandwiches etc pretty commonly and have lost 30lbs In about the same time you have lost 36 eating things I can easily maintain for my entire life.




It's not a competition. That's great. Enjoy.
 
2012-06-05 01:44:27 PM

Hebalo: You make no sense. You claim I can be not fat and unhealthy, but I'm unhealthy because I'm overweight?

I'm 5'10, 195, started at 230.



It is possible to be unhealthy and skinny. Losing a bunch of weight doesnt make you healthy.

I assumed you were unhealthy because you made the decision to lose weight.

I guess I am wondering why you arent exercising
 
2012-06-05 01:47:10 PM

Corvus: Strategeryz0r: NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.

Cool and you could pay the huge increase of taxes since those states provide much of the tax money for the US that pays for the welfare states.


Considering the large population of both states, having them both disappear would probably significantly reduce the amount of welfare. It's almost like a natural balance.

In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Hell all the poor people, and free reign to interfere in the lives of everyone on these newly formed islands? Sounds like the perfect NY/Cali utopia.
 
2012-06-05 01:47:13 PM

Hebalo: Corvus: Well good luck with that.

I eat thing like Pizza, Beer, sandwiches etc pretty commonly and have lost 30lbs In about the same time you have lost 36 eating things I can easily maintain for my entire life.



It's not a competition. That's great. Enjoy.


No. I hope you can make it. Most people I know can't stick with extreme diets. I know I can't that's why I stopped trying them anymore. Reports show after a few years most people gain the weight back. That's why I don't "diet" I change my life style with things I can maintain my entire life.
 
2012-06-05 01:48:55 PM

Strategeryz0r: In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.


Wow your such a nice guy wish for the death and destruction of people. You must live in a "fly over state" with all those people I keep being told that are nicer than then rest of the "fake" America. You know that "fake" America the one that actually gets shiat done.
 
2012-06-05 01:49:56 PM

Corvus: Strategeryz0r: In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Wow your such a nice guy wish for the death and destruction of people. You must live in a "fly over state" with all those people I keep being told that are nicer than then rest of the "fake" America. You know that "fake" America the one that actually gets shiat done.


Sarcasm, you should learn it when you're not too busy smelling your own farts.

/pacific northwest
 
2012-06-05 01:51:01 PM

Corvus: No. I hope you can make it. Most people I know can't stick with extreme diets. I know I can't that's why I stopped trying them anymore. Reports show after a few years most people gain the weight back. That's why I don't "diet" I change my life style with things I can maintain my entire life.


You clearly want to hop on on a soapbox, so go for it. Tell me your wonderful secret to eating as much beer and pizza as you like and not gaining weight.
 
2012-06-05 01:52:14 PM

Strategeryz0r: Corvus: Strategeryz0r: NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.

Cool and you could pay the huge increase of taxes since those states provide much of the tax money for the US that pays for the welfare states.

Considering the large population of both states, having them both disappear would probably significantly reduce the amount of welfare. It's almost like a natural balance.

In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Hell all the poor people, and free reign to interfere in the lives of everyone on these newly formed islands? Sounds like the perfect NY/Cali utopia.




Spoken like a guy who was born on thrid base but acts like he hit a double.
 
2012-06-05 01:52:55 PM
"Third"
 
2012-06-05 01:53:09 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA:
Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.


Sounds like he nailed the kind of people who call themselves Libertarians dead-on. I mean, sure, there are plenty of true believers there, but there are also plenty of people who are just embarrassed Republicans.
 
2012-06-05 01:53:16 PM

Hebalo: Corvus: No. I hope you can make it. Most people I know can't stick with extreme diets. I know I can't that's why I stopped trying them anymore. Reports show after a few years most people gain the weight back. That's why I don't "diet" I change my life style with things I can maintain my entire life.

You clearly want to hop on on a soapbox, so go for it. Tell me your wonderful secret to eating as much beer and pizza as you like and not gaining weight.


I can't find a funny picture so I'll just say it.


Meth.
 
2012-06-05 01:53:23 PM

Strategeryz0r: Corvus: Strategeryz0r: In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Wow your such a nice guy wish for the death and destruction of people. You must live in a "fly over state" with all those people I keep being told that are nicer than then rest of the "fake" America. You know that "fake" America the one that actually gets shiat done.

Sarcasm, you should learn it when you're not too busy smelling your own farts.

/pacific northwest


Seriously I don't know what you problem is and why you are looking to start an argument and then pretend you're not. But I don't care. Find someone else to be an ass to.
 
2012-06-05 01:53:37 PM
Cinaed

We can't legislate away foods that are 'bad' for us. This isn't tobacco or opiates. And it would be ridiculous to try. What can be done is limiting portion size, at least outside of the home, to something that isn't ridiculously lard-ass-inducing.

Someone in another thread used the term "ham planet" instead of "lard-ass." I LOLd.

I lost 30 pounds merely by cutting out soda, as well as sugar in my coffee/tea. Have kept it off for 28 years, and I don't miss it. What's troubling to me is the number of overweight children is increasing, aswell as children with Type 2 diabetes.

/don't supersize me, bro'
 
2012-06-05 01:54:33 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Strategeryz0r: Corvus: Strategeryz0r: NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.

Cool and you could pay the huge increase of taxes since those states provide much of the tax money for the US that pays for the welfare states.

Considering the large population of both states, having them both disappear would probably significantly reduce the amount of welfare. It's almost like a natural balance.

In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Hell all the poor people, and free reign to interfere in the lives of everyone on these newly formed islands? Sounds like the perfect NY/Cali utopia.



Spoken like a guy who was born on thrid base but acts like he hit a double.


Spoken like a guy who doesn't finish reading things prior to replying.

Oh wait... You're from DC.

Carry on.
 
2012-06-05 01:55:54 PM

Corvus: Strategeryz0r: Corvus: Strategeryz0r: In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Wow your such a nice guy wish for the death and destruction of people. You must live in a "fly over state" with all those people I keep being told that are nicer than then rest of the "fake" America. You know that "fake" America the one that actually gets shiat done.

Sarcasm, you should learn it when you're not too busy smelling your own farts.

/pacific northwest

Seriously I don't know what you problem is and why you are looking to start an argument and then pretend you're not. But I don't care. Find someone else to be an ass to.


I'm not starting an argument. It's called being a sarcastic asshole. Ever been on the internet before? It's kind of what we do around here :P. The subject of this thread is utterly ridiculous(banning soda? really?), why not make the comment section equally ridiculous for the sake of entertainment.

Even if it is just my own entertainment :P
 
2012-06-05 01:59:33 PM
Here's my problem with all this: Orange juice and apple juice are basically the same as soda/sports drinks in terms of sugar content per volume, and neither have any significant amount of fiber.

Both are about twice the price of soda however. OJ has potassium, vitamin C, and folate, but those can easily be added to any soda if that's what this was really all about.

If there is a problem with too much soda being consumed, then the solution is not so much banning soda as it is taxing it so its price matches fruit juice, or forcing soda companies to include certain nutrients in their formulas.
 
2012-06-05 02:02:33 PM
Article Date: June 1.
 
2012-06-05 02:02:43 PM

GentDirkly: If there is a problem with too much soda being consumed, then the solution is not so much banning soda as it is taxing it so its price matches fruit juice, or forcing soda companies to include certain nutrients in their formulas.


They should tax the hell out of soda, absolutely!
 
2012-06-05 02:07:43 PM

Strategeryz0r: DROxINxTHExWIND: Strategeryz0r: Corvus: Strategeryz0r: NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.

Cool and you could pay the huge increase of taxes since those states provide much of the tax money for the US that pays for the welfare states.

Considering the large population of both states, having them both disappear would probably significantly reduce the amount of welfare. It's almost like a natural balance.

In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Hell all the poor people, and free reign to interfere in the lives of everyone on these newly formed islands? Sounds like the perfect NY/Cali utopia.



Spoken like a guy who was born on thrid base but acts like he hit a double.

Spoken like a guy who doesn't finish reading things prior to replying.

Oh wait... You're from DC.

Carry on.



And you're a guy from Idaho who has a problem with those darn welfare queens.


/typical
 
2012-06-05 02:12:30 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Strategeryz0r: DROxINxTHExWIND: Strategeryz0r: Corvus: Strategeryz0r: NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.

Cool and you could pay the huge increase of taxes since those states provide much of the tax money for the US that pays for the welfare states.

Considering the large population of both states, having them both disappear would probably significantly reduce the amount of welfare. It's almost like a natural balance.

In fact, I vote we round up all the homeless and poor, relocate them to NYC and Cali, and then trigger some cataclysmic tectonic shift that causes both states to become islands akin to how Australia was founded.

Hell all the poor people, and free reign to interfere in the lives of everyone on these newly formed islands? Sounds like the perfect NY/Cali utopia.



Spoken like a guy who was born on thrid base but acts like he hit a double.

Spoken like a guy who doesn't finish reading things prior to replying.

Oh wait... You're from DC.

Carry on.


And you're a guy from Idaho who has a problem with those darn welfare queens.


/typical


Idaho transplant, not originally from here :P. And yes I have a big problem with those darn welfare queens. Because the system is being abused, and if you don't see that then you're living with blinders on. Welfare as a program is a great idea, help those who need it. Unfortunately the definition of "those who need it" is so broad it's easily abused by those who are simply lazy.

/tired of going to gas stations and watching people buy beer and cigarettes with their EBT card... That's supposed to be for groceries assholes.
 
2012-06-05 02:21:12 PM

Job Creator: Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!


That's the thing that annoys me: the loopholes. First, juices, coffee drinks, all those things don't get banned, they can be as big as they want despite sugar content. Places without a letter grade don't count, so those giant sodas from Hess or 7-11 aren't banned. And refills aren't withheld, so all they're really doing is increasing foot traffic for waitresses, which I guess helps, but I don't think that's the intention.

It doesn't really solve a problem. I'd love it to clarify the calorie ranges on drinks - right now, they say like "0-380". What about if it said "120-380, Diet 0." Less of cheat. Also, how about just telling them to put the Sugar content on Sodas. "Small Soda, 4 grams, 44 oz Soda 63 grams", whatever.

The calorie thing was wonderful: it made restaurants accountable without removing choice. This whole thing is the exact opposite: removing choice while not teaching people WHY its bad.
 
2012-06-05 02:28:15 PM

Strategeryz0r:
Idaho transplant, not originally from here :P. And yes I have a big problem with those darn welfare queens. Because the system is being abused, and if you don't see that then you're living with blinders on. Welfare as a program is a great idea, help those who need it. Unfortunately the definition of "those who need it" is so broad it's easily abused by those who are simply lazy.

/tired of going to gas stations and watching people buy beer and cigarettes with their EBT card... That's supposed to be for groceries assholes.



Brother, if you think that life on welfare is so sweet then by all means, sign up! I've never understood you welfare complainers. You see someone at the welfare office in an Escalade with a new flat screen TV hanging out of the back and you never once think, "Hmmm, that could be me"? Why would you not take advantage of this windfall of free money that gets handed unconditionally to the lazy? Perhaps...these welfare queens are not getting as much money as you'd have me believe. Maybe... you've been brainwashed to believe that the girl getting $300 in food stamps is taking more of your money than Boeing, who is taking hundreds of millions to build a fighter jet that will never be used. Maybe you're being distracted on purpose.
 
2012-06-05 02:28:49 PM

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


Stupid diagram is stupid.

A "normal" drink is NOT 42 oz.

Closer to 16.

So what we should do is make it illegal to sell bigger burgers or more fries. That growth has been a lot more than drinks.

It also ignores the diet drinks
 
2012-06-05 02:34:53 PM

Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?


It means the government has an interest in teaching proper sex education from an early age and providing free/affordable reproductive health services so that people are empowered with the knowledge and tools to prevent contracting STDs and spreading them further. It's all stuff that will more than pay for itself in the long-term, which is why it's so puzzling that "fiscal conservatives" are against it.

pat34us:
You do know that stores are going to find a way around the stupid law right? Let's see, sell the cups seperately and let the customers fill their own cup.


*can* find a way around =/= *will* find a way around

Even a slight inconvenience will change behavior. Lots of people here tried to argue that 5 cent bag fees wouldn't reduce bag use because people will just pay the charge. After all, it's just 5 cents. Turns out just a slight amount is enough to convince people to bring their own bag. Every city or country that's implemented a fee has seen plastic bag use declined dramatically.

So, yes, you can just buy two mediums or fill your cup twice, or whatever if you're really that thirsty. In that case, you'll consciously be making that decision for yourself, not because a corporation has conditioned you into purchasing and consuming more than you really need.

The vast majority of people are that drinking that 64 oz of liquid sugar purely out of habit will drink 16 oz of it and not feel the need to get 48 oz more.

GentDirkly: Here's my problem with all this: Orange juice and apple juice are basically the same as soda/sports drinks in terms of sugar content per volume, and neither have any significant amount of fiber.


Companies don't routinely sell 64 oz cups of juice. Apple and orange juice are sold in reasonable portions. It's the volume that's the problem because people purchase more than they really want and then consume it all out of habit or because of societal pressure.
 
2012-06-05 02:40:18 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA:
Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.


Came to say this.

Also, You can't be against gay marriage and be a libertarian, a person who claims both is either confused, a liar, or retarded.

Love Baldwin in 30 rock
 
2012-06-05 02:47:42 PM

Strategeryz0r: Carth: Strategeryz0r: midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."

Welfare is a service provided to keep unemployed and down on their luck individuals a means to survive. As such sodas and sports drinks are not a means to survive. When my tax money is buying your shiat, I should have some say in how you get to spend it.

When it's my hard earned money, and my choice on how I spend it, the government can butt the hell out. You don't want restrictions on what you can buy? Earn your own money.

For someone who doesn't live in NYC you sure care a lot about how we run our city.

Because NYC is often used as a precedent when applying similar amounts of stupidity to otherwise sensible cities/states.

NYC is a cesspool of crybabies, whiners, and idiots. Much like California I wish it would break off from the rest of the country and float away.


Don't worry, we'll still allow you to marry your sister.

/funny how people who complain about the nanny state live in places supported by NY and California federal tax excess
//NYC already is broken off from the rest of the country, it's an island.
 
2012-06-05 02:49:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

Stupid diagram is stupid.

A "normal" drink is NOT 42 oz.

Closer to 16.

So what we should do is make it illegal to sell bigger burgers or more fries. That growth has been a lot more than drinks.

It also ignores the diet drinks


It's probably more like 20-24oz, but with a refill, it may as well be 42.

And diet drinks are worse.
 
2012-06-05 02:51:20 PM

Lsherm: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.


total sandwich weight (bun, toppings, etc.), maybe?
 
2012-06-05 02:54:59 PM

saintstryfe: Job Creator: Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!

That's the thing that annoys me: the loopholes. First, juices, coffee drinks, all those things don't get banned, they can be as big as they want despite sugar content. Places without a letter grade don't count, so those giant sodas from Hess or 7-11 aren't banned. And refills aren't withheld, so all they're really doing is increasing foot traffic for waitresses, which I guess helps, but I don't think that's the intention.

It doesn't really solve a problem. I'd love it to clarify the calorie ranges on drinks - right now, they say like "0-380". What about if it said "120-380, Diet 0." Less of cheat. Also, how about just telling them to put the Sugar content on Sodas. "Small Soda, 4 grams, 44 oz Soda 63 grams", whatever.

The calorie thing was wonderful: it made restaurants accountable without removing choice. This whole thing is the exact opposite: removing choice while not teaching people WHY its bad.


I tend to agree with you. Kind of hard though- people know pretty clearly that smoking is bad for you, but what segment of the population knows how many calories are suggested for a day? I think if I cared to research further one of the root causes is the cutting of home ec and health courses from school curriculum..
 
2012-06-05 02:55:54 PM
Too much text, not enough funny pictures.
 
2012-06-05 02:58:35 PM

cmunic8r99: Lsherm: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.

total sandwich weight (bun, toppings, etc.), maybe?


I'm guessing it is an old poster back when they had Super/King/Biggie size. I think 32oz is the largest soft drink at most fast food places today.

Still makes it 320 calories for a farking soda which is insane.
 
2012-06-05 02:59:49 PM

GentDirkly: Here's my problem with all this: Orange juice and apple juice are basically the same as soda/sports drinks in terms of sugar content per volume, and neither have any significant amount of fiber.

Both are about twice the price of soda however. OJ has potassium, vitamin C, and folate, but those can easily be added to any soda if that's what this was really all about.

If there is a problem with too much soda being consumed, then the solution is not so much banning soda as it is taxing it so its price matches fruit juice, or forcing soda companies to include certain nutrients in their formulas.


I agree about the juice- as I understand it though the "ban" will apply to juices below a certain % juice content. NY state also tried/is trying to impose a 40% tax on sugared soda in grocery stores but the beverage industry is all over that one.

/will buy Coke in New Jersey if that happens
 
2012-06-05 03:07:08 PM

Strategeryz0r: Idaho transplant, not originally from here :P.


You're obviously a hick and nobody gives a rat's ass where you're originally from. Now stfu.
 
2012-06-05 03:19:08 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FTFA:
Some libertarian types don't mind government intervention in the matrimonial decisions of gay men and women. They look the other way at wars fought in our name in places they can't find on a map. They want courts to get involved when they want to tear down the wall between Church and State.

Has hasn't a farking clue about Libertarians.


So much this!

Alec is as misinformed about libertarianism as most Farkers.
 
2012-06-05 03:35:10 PM

Carth: cmunic8r99: Lsherm: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.

total sandwich weight (bun, toppings, etc.), maybe?

I'm guessing it is an old poster back when they had Super/King/Biggie size. I think 32oz is the largest soft drink at most fast food places today.

Still makes it 320 calories for a farking soda which is insane.


The graphic is only a couple of weeks old. BK's large is 42oz. Jack In The Box is 44oz. McD's, Wendy's are 32oz.
 
2012-06-05 03:43:13 PM

cmunic8r99: Carth: cmunic8r99: Lsherm: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.

total sandwich weight (bun, toppings, etc.), maybe?

I'm guessing it is an old poster back when they had Super/King/Biggie size. I think 32oz is the largest soft drink at most fast food places today.

Still makes it 320 calories for a farking soda which is insane.

The graphic is only a couple of weeks old. BK's large is 42oz. Jack In The Box is 44oz. McD's, Wendy's are 32oz.


I was looking at BK's nutritional information (PDF) and it lists the large as 32oz. We don't have Jack in the Box around here so I didn't think of checking them and I don't remember how big the drinks are at Five Guys.
 
2012-06-05 03:50:07 PM

HMS_Blinkin: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

Corn subsidies couldn't possibly have anything to do with that. So we'd better not repeal them, since that would be the same thing as raising taxes. Grover told me so.


Grover? Dude, I think that was the cookie monster.
 
2012-06-05 04:14:35 PM

Carth: I was looking at BK's nutritional information (PDF) and it lists the large as 32oz. We don't have Jack in the Box around here so I didn't think of checking them and I don't remember how big the drinks are at Five Guys.


From the PDF you linked (I was wrong, too):

dumbimages.net
 
2012-06-05 04:31:33 PM

cmunic8r99: Carth: I was looking at BK's nutritional information (PDF) and it lists the large as 32oz. We don't have Jack in the Box around here so I didn't think of checking them and I don't remember how big the drinks are at Five Guys.

From the PDF you linked (I was wrong, too):

[dumbimages.net image 640x196]


Huh. That is a completely different pdf than when I click the link. Apparently it knows I'm in Canada and gave me a Canada specific one: " Nutrition and ingredient information applies to the Burger King Restaurants of Canada. Inc. only."
 
2012-06-05 04:35:08 PM

Carth: cmunic8r99: Carth: I was looking at BK's nutritional information (PDF) and it lists the large as 32oz. We don't have Jack in the Box around here so I didn't think of checking them and I don't remember how big the drinks are at Five Guys.

From the PDF you linked (I was wrong, too):

[dumbimages.net image 640x196]

Huh. That is a completely different pdf than when I click the link. Apparently it knows I'm in Canada and gave me a Canada specific one: " Nutrition and ingredient information applies to the Burger King Restaurants of Canada. Inc. only."


Makes sense- Canuck Coke is made with real sugar rather than HFCS. Different info.
 
2012-06-05 05:04:10 PM
Always be carbonated.
 
2012-06-05 05:11:24 PM

Job Creator: I tend to agree with you. Kind of hard though- people know pretty clearly that smoking is bad for you, but what segment of the population knows how many calories are suggested for a day? I think if I cared to research further one of the root causes is the cutting of home ec and health courses from school curriculum..


There is absolutely no way you can smoke and be healthy. Smoking and being healthy are completely at odds. Drinking a large soda though and being healthy are not all at odds - you can have large sodas, fairly frequently, and still be perfectly healthy. Let me, the indivdual, make that choice. Not a goverment. WHat they CAN do is make it more clear.

How about this: No more "ranges" on Sodas - list each size of cola, and it's worst nutritional content - sugar and calories. So if the root beer is the highest sugar at 34 grams, and Coke has the most calories at 340 in a given size, then say "Large Soda, up to 34 grams of Sugar, up to 340 calories". That gives a worst-case scenario. Specific info can be given on request. I think thats more then fair.

cmunic8r99: tenpoundsofcheese: And diet drinks are worse.


A few tests in rats and a longitudinal study that doesn't quantify differences doesn't mean anything. People have been drinking Diet Coke for 30 years - it's just fizzy water with some coloring and some artificial sweetener in it. No one's ever been able to prove it's wrong, and every time some new study pops up it usually gets fed back to sugar producers.
 
2012-06-05 05:23:16 PM

Job Creator: Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!


THIS. In big black and white letters like a cigarette container. Helping hand, not a beating stick. That's how you foster large aggregate change.
 
2012-06-05 06:36:25 PM
Oh yeah? What does Adam Baldwin have to say about it?
 
2012-06-05 06:59:26 PM

Wooly Bully: As a pragmatist (as opposed to an ideologue) I see it as a question of "will this help reduce obesity?", instead of "whar freedoms whar?"

I honestly don't know the answer, but I sort of doubt it'll make any difference. It's not like cigarette taxes, which really do get people to smoke less.


We've got a long way to go before fast food is expensive enough to make people not eat it, which is the rationale behind cigarette tax. The problem is, even insanely addicted smokers know they don't HAVE to smoke, You do sort of have to eat, so it's easier to justify eating crappy food.
 
2012-06-05 07:24:42 PM
www.boston.com

Cutting out fat is not the answer.
/carbs make you fat
 
2012-06-05 08:37:38 PM

SuperTramp: What's troubling to me is the number of overweight children is increasing, aswell as children with Type 2 diabetes.


Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore. If they go outside, they'll get abducted. You can't climb a tree anymore without running into a child molester.

Seriously though, they don't have to walk a half mile to the bus stop and wait. Either they get dropped off at school (or at the bus stop) or the school bus picks them up at their door. If I wasn't at the corner when the bus came, my ass was walking to school. My kid brother? The bus actually comes up the street and stops at each individual house. And *waits* if the kid isn't standing out there.

I know it's not the entire problem, but it's very telling.
 
2012-06-05 09:02:58 PM
www.politifake.org
 
2012-06-05 09:12:19 PM
Damnit. I read that headline as Alec Guinness and was really stoked he wasn't dead, but then I realized I'm really tired today and need a nap.
 
2012-06-05 09:15:50 PM
they should tax soda more than alcohol and tobacco.
 
2012-06-05 09:15:52 PM

The_Time_Master: [www.boston.com image 250x400]

Cutting out fat is not the answer.
/carbstoo much damn food makes you fat


FTFY, kind of.

If you limit your calorie intake, there's a you can eat whatever the hell you want, as long as you don't eat too much of it.
 
2012-06-05 09:16:31 PM

BlippityBleep: they should tax soda more than alcohol and tobacco.


Why tax it? Why not just take away the subsidies?
 
2012-06-05 10:09:36 PM

Benni K Rok: BlippityBleep: they should tax soda more than alcohol and tobacco.

Why tax it? Why not just take away the subsidies?


Or both.
 
2012-06-06 12:31:00 AM

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Yeah but what is next? Sure, I'll give you a soda ban. What do you want to ban next?
 
2012-06-06 12:31:46 AM

The_Time_Master: [www.boston.com image 250x400]

Cutting out fat is not the answer.
/carbs make you fat


Food makes you fat. Eat less fatty!
 
2012-06-06 08:12:13 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah but what is next? Sure, I'll give you a soda ban. What do you want to ban next?


This isn't a soda ban.
 
2012-06-06 08:53:50 AM

Aexia: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah but what is next? Sure, I'll give you a soda ban. What do you want to ban next?

This isn't a soda ban.


It may not be perfectly clear, I spilled a huge soda on my keyboard, but I meant the plural form of "you."

Eat less, fatties.
 
2012-06-06 04:33:23 PM
Its wrong because it wont work. People can just buy 2 regular sized sodas, or they can go around the corner to a Starbucks and get a 1000 calorie Frappuccino. They can also buy a 2 liter bottle at the corner store. It wont make 1 bit of difference in making people less fat.

How does one get a Harvard MBA without taking any Economics classes?
 
2012-06-07 01:24:07 AM
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