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2012-06-05 12:34:08 PM  
aht.seriouseats.com
 
2012-06-05 12:43:44 PM  
Actually, I thought that was fairly well-written.
 
2012-06-05 12:43:52 PM  
I'm sure he'll make a joke out of it, and we'll all chuckle and appreciate his self-deprciating humor.
 
2012-06-05 12:44:16 PM  
I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.
 
2012-06-05 12:47:20 PM  
Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!

One of the big reasons IMO that the portion sizes have increased is that the incremental cost of the larger portions is so small. A regular size soda is say $1.79, but a jumbo (2x as much) is only 30c more. If they required sodas over a certain unit size to cost the same per ounce as smaller sizes, it would accomplish a lot of the objectives.

Do the calories in these serving sizes provide for ice? A 16 oz soda in a FF restaurant isn't as big as one from a bottle.
 
2012-06-05 12:47:41 PM  
Wasn't Bloomberg the one who banned smoking just about everywhere in NYC?

And didn't most of you said smoking is gross and people who do it are stupid anyway?
 
2012-06-05 12:47:41 PM  

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:37 PM  
Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

This is why NYC sucks.Stupid crybaby nanny state.
 
2012-06-05 12:50:05 PM  
Why do Democrats want the government to decide how much sodipop we can drink? Wouldn't it be appropriate to put power abusing politicians who try to ban beverages in prison or publicly execute them?
 
2012-06-05 12:50:12 PM  

Lsherm: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

What burgers are they using for a 12oz average? That's a Wendy's triple! It's the kind of burger that gets you "meat sic."

While eloquent, I'd like to note that Mr. Baldwin didn't actually expound on how limiting drink sizes is going to make New Yorkers thinner. That's because he's not defending the ban (because it has no defense) but because he's defending the "idea" of Americans losing weight.


It's total weight. Burger + bun + toppings.
 
2012-06-05 12:53:19 PM  
I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem
 
2012-06-05 12:56:15 PM  

TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem


Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.
 
2012-06-05 12:56:21 PM  
Whether you think an elitist, billionaire New Yorker has any business blocking your path to the soda fountain is one issue. His motives, however, are unquestionable.

Well, shiat. I guess it's okay, then.
 
2012-06-05 12:57:49 PM  

Happy Hours: Wasn't Bloomberg the one who banned smoking just about everywhere in NYC?

And didn't most of you said smoking is gross and people who do it are stupid anyway?


Not only banned smoking in most public places (to include parks) but taxed cigarettes so they are upwards of $12.00 pack.
 
2012-06-05 12:58:53 PM  

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?
 
2012-06-05 12:59:04 PM  

Job Creator: Not sure how I feel about a ban on large sugary drink portions. One thing that NYC does do that has limited my fast food eating is to require that the calorie count is posted on the menus and all in store advertising. Want that tasty Big Mac? 800 calories please!


There are so many cheap, delicious food options in NYC. Why are you going to McDonalds?

/I used to eat at McD's in NYC
//I used to ask myself that same question.
 
2012-06-05 12:59:55 PM  

Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?


Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
2012-06-05 01:00:37 PM  

Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?


They do. Prostitution is legal and you're required to disclose any known STDs to partners in most areas.
 
2012-06-05 01:00:49 PM  
Actually I don't. Interesting thing though I'll bypass the McDonald's and order the same burger at the bodega down the block that doesn't have to post their calories.

/Ignorance is bliss
 
2012-06-05 01:01:12 PM  

Carth: Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?

They do. Prostitution is illegal and you're required to disclose any known STDs to partners in most areas.


FTFM
 
2012-06-05 01:01:32 PM  
I do think this ban is dumb. You can not legislate people in to having willpower... And healthy people shouldn't be penalized because of land whales like me having none.
 
2012-06-05 01:02:40 PM  

bottsicus: Actually, I thought that was fairly well-written.


Yeah, it surprised me to see Alec Baldwin not only using up-to-date medical research, but also discussing the problem in the same terms that physicians and biochemists do. If only all the Baldwins were as conscious of community health science, the world might be a better place.
 
2012-06-05 01:02:46 PM  

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Thank you, Comrade
 
2012-06-05 01:03:23 PM  

Carth: Carth: Johnny Savage: Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.

Health care costs from STDs end up being my problem one way or another, too. Does that mean that the government should regulate the sexual habits of the populace?

They do. Prostitution is illegal and you're required to disclose any known STDs to partners in most areas.

FTFM


You got me excited for just a second.
 
2012-06-05 01:04:04 PM  
As a pragmatist (as opposed to an ideologue) I see it as a question of "will this help reduce obesity?", instead of "whar freedoms whar?"

I honestly don't know the answer, but I sort of doubt it'll make any difference. It's not like cigarette taxes, which really do get people to smoke less.
 
2012-06-05 01:04:12 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.


You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."
 
2012-06-05 01:04:44 PM  

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


Enough already with this healthcare cost bullshiat. How many things are we going to take away or ban because we all supposedly pay into the healthcare system? We don't even have universal healthcare! People die ALL THE TIME without EVER going to the doctor. Moreover, a person who will drink a 64oz soda, get double meat, and extra cheese isn't going to the doctor regularly anyway.
 
2012-06-05 01:05:27 PM  

WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.


try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.
 
2012-06-05 01:06:52 PM  

Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.


Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious
 
2012-06-05 01:07:44 PM  
That ass clown Bloomberg should keep it real and try to the limit the size of pizza slices....then you would really see some outrage in NYC.
 
2012-06-05 01:10:31 PM  

Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.


Thanks for the advice, but I am doing a weight loss medical program and learning to eat properly in the hopes of not gaining back what is lost, but you go with your bad self! That is alot of weight!
 
2012-06-05 01:11:01 PM  
Can't stop the freight train, regardless of how many laws you pass. The whole drive for larger portions is a direct result of us as a society being greedier than previous generations. We've become incredibly focused on self-gratification at the cost of not only those around us, but our own health. Passing laws won't fix that.
 
2012-06-05 01:11:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious


Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.
 
2012-06-05 01:12:44 PM  

Wooly Bully: As a pragmatist (as opposed to an ideologue) I see it as a question of "will this help reduce obesity?", instead of "whar freedoms whar?"

I honestly don't know the answer, but I sort of doubt it'll make any difference. It's not like cigarette taxes, which really do get people to smoke less.


One of the biggest problems with this proposed ban is that the science is pretty shaky. There's a strong likelihood that it will only serve to annoy people without actually resulting in any benefit to anyone.
 
2012-06-05 01:12:48 PM  
He sounds fat.
 
2012-06-05 01:13:50 PM  

midigod: Strategeryz0r: Government interfering where it doesn't belong.

It's one thing to stop welfare recipients from wasting tax payer provided funds. It's another thing altogether to cease personal choice in favor of government regulation.

You don't think it's Government Interference to prevent welfare recipients from buying soft drinks? Please elaborate on the distinction of "where it doesn't belong."


you don't think it's government interference to provide welfare is the first place?
 
2012-06-05 01:14:36 PM  

Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.



You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.
 
2012-06-05 01:15:23 PM  

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


Corn subsidies couldn't possibly have anything to do with that. So we'd better not repeal them, since that would be the same thing as raising taxes. Grover told me so.
 
2012-06-05 01:15:44 PM  

TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem


I'm on the fence about it. I completely believe that sodas as large as they serve should NOT be available, just as soda. However, if they're half-filled with booze, it's just a cocktail on-the-go.
 
2012-06-05 01:16:01 PM  

Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.


Why do you assume I'm unhealthy?
 
2012-06-05 01:16:28 PM  

cmunic8r99: [america_sounds_fat.jpg]


This.
 
2012-06-05 01:17:33 PM  

Aexia: TravisBickle62: I don't see why I should care if people drink 64 ounce sodas, not my problem

Because you live in a society, not on a deserted island. Health care costs from obesity end up being your problem one way or another.


You do know that stores are going to find a way around the stupid law right? Let's see, sell the cups seperately and let the customers fill their own cup.
 
2012-06-05 01:19:01 PM  

Hebalo: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious

Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


and for lunch and dinner?

Details, man!
 
2012-06-05 01:19:12 PM  
There are two very different issues here:

A) Does Bloomberg have the power to do this?

I would say yes. It's a commerce and governments can regulate commerce like this and there is a reason for doing so.

B) Is this a good law?

I don't think so because to me it targets one specific cause of the problem. I would like to see a law or laws that would tackle the issue more fairly and not singling out a single product. I would prefer to try to give more power to consumers first before just an out and out ban. I think there are probably more broader ways to handle the issue.

/I've lost 30lbs mostly just eating smaller portions and less calorie dense food.
 
2012-06-05 01:21:34 PM  

Hebalo: Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.

Why do you assume I'm unhealthy?


Becase you are over weight? If I was wrong then I apologize.
 
2012-06-05 01:22:30 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]

Corn subsidies couldn't possibly have anything to do with that. So we'd better not repeal them, since that would be the same thing as raising taxes. Grover told me so.


A good idea but I don't think the Mayor of NYC has the power to repeal corn subsidies.
 
2012-06-05 01:23:52 PM  

cmunic8r99: [aht.seriouseats.com image 514x672]


THIS.

Tired of hearing "Oh it's because we eat wheat" from the cult of Paleo. We've been eatting wheat for like 30,000 years!! Obesity hasn't been this rampant until the last few decades. Italians who eat more pasta then the US are much skinner!! (they eat smaller portions)
 
2012-06-05 01:28:14 PM  

DirkValentine: Hebalo: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hebalo: WonderStuff: I love the fat pedestrians on that graphic. I am fat right now, but working intensively on changing my lifestyle (Not Dieting!!!!!!). Dropped a few pounds and I am feeling better already. Willpower is a skill that must be cultivated when one has a food addiction like I do. I wish my fellow fatties luck.

try 4hourbody. Basically a modified ketogenic diet. No grain, no fruit, no dairy 6 days a week. That one day lets you pig out, you lose all that weight in 48 hours.

I've dropped 36 lbs in 4 months with almost no exercise.

Well, what the fark do you eat the other days?

/curious

Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.

and for lunch and dinner?

Details, man!


Lol.

Lunch: usually chicken or steak or pork with mixed veg (I like red/orange/yellow bell peppers, asparagus, zucchini, onion, mushroom. Usually I'll either pan fry or even grill it up once a week. You could also do salad, though dressing with no carbs and no sugar is tricky. (veg has some carb, but the idea is to limit and keep to slow burning carbs).

Dinner: varies, but again, 1/4 to 1/2 protein, the rest veg. i eat a lot of steelhead trout or salmon, the occasional roast, steak, or shrimp. You have to find a few ways to prep veggies, but it's not tricky.

Drink a bunch of water (theoretically your weight divided by 2 in ounces per day.) I started at 230, so 115 oz or around 3.5 Litres a day. I'm down to 195ish so less than 3 L now.
 
2012-06-05 01:29:33 PM  

Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Gunny Highway: Hebalo: Mostly protein, non-starchy veg, some beans.

breakfast is usually 1/3 can of refried black beans, 2 eggs, handful of chicken/steak/bacon/ etc and handful of spinach.


You can be not fat and unhealthy.

Good on you for losing the weight though. It is not an easy thing to do.

Why do you assume I'm unhealthy?

Becase you are over weight? If I was wrong then I apologize.


You make no sense. You claim I can be not fat and unhealthy, but I'm unhealthy because I'm overweight?

I'm 5'10, 195, started at 230.
 
2012-06-05 01:32:08 PM  

Hebalo: Lol.

Lunch: usually chicken or steak or pork with mixed veg (I like red/orange/yellow bell peppers, asparagus, zucchini, onion, mushroom. Usually I'll either pan fry or even grill it up once a week. You could also do salad, though dressing with no carbs and no sugar is tricky. (veg has some carb, but the idea is to limit and keep to slow burning carbs).

Dinner: varies, but again, 1/4 to 1/2 protein, the rest veg. i eat a lot of steelhead trout or salmon, the occasional roast, steak, or shrimp. You have to find a few ways to prep veggies, but it's not tricky.

Drink a bunch of water (theoretically your weight divided by 2 in ounces per day.) I started at 230, so 115 oz or around 3.5 Litres a day. I'm down to 195ish so less than 3 L now.


And do you plan to eat this way for the rest of your life?
 
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