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(Yahoo)   FL's "stand Your ground" defense has worked in cases where the attacker was running at the shooter backwards or even cleverly lying prone on the ground to lull them into a false sense of security   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 283
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2012-06-05 12:28:28 PM  
"That's right officer, I was just standing here holding this knife, when he ran into it, backwards, 14 times"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-05 12:33:47 PM  
He was backing right toward me!
 
2012-06-05 01:03:01 PM  
Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.
 
2012-06-05 01:24:32 PM  

kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.


The only reasonable way to defend yourself is to Stand Your Ground before the other guy does. I can't see that backfiring in any way.
 
2012-06-05 01:46:32 PM  

kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.


i.ytimg.com
 
2012-06-05 02:06:45 PM  

kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners murderers.


Fixed.
 
2012-06-05 02:07:07 PM  
This is like the old joke about the Alabama state police finding a young black man with a dozen bullet holes in his chest.

/Worst case of suicide they ever saw
 
2012-06-05 02:07:25 PM  
stand-your-ground-law.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-06-05 02:07:40 PM  
There's one that was caught on video of a guy running away, full speed, and the person chasing him with a knife kill him. Self defense, because they running way stopped running and turned towards the killer.
 
2012-06-05 02:08:32 PM  
After reading some of these cases a when the Zimmerman story was front page, I though he should easily be set free. If not, the its the last nail on the coffin for justice.
 
2012-06-05 02:09:35 PM  

tricycleracer: [stand-your-ground-law.s3.amazonaws.com image 619x962]


why not make the img 129301928x10293883172 instead so we can see the details? ;)
 
2012-06-05 02:09:49 PM  
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-06-05 02:09:55 PM  
In other news, criminals will use any excuse, legal vaguery and trick to get off.
 
2012-06-05 02:10:04 PM  
thank goodness!!! we were overdue for a trayvon thread...
 
2012-06-05 02:11:58 PM  

Magorn: "That's right officer, I was just standing here holding this knife, when he ran into it, backwards, 14 times"


There was marcia...and sandra...and irving. I guess you could say we suffered creative differences. He saw himself as alive. I. saw. him. dead.

/obscure?
 
2012-06-05 02:12:16 PM  
Meanwhile, if you're a black woman, you're not allowed to "stand your ground":

Link

/NRA didn't raise any money for her defense either.
 
2012-06-05 02:12:22 PM  

auckerman: There's one that was caught on video of a guy running away, full speed, and the person chasing him with a knife kill him. Self defense, because they running way stopped running and turned towards the killer.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-05 02:12:57 PM  
Damnit Subby...

Your "article" is merely a long winded link to a several day old article, which is a rehashing of a month old article from the same "newspaper."
 
2012-06-05 02:13:09 PM  
Sounds more like a problem with case law than with the actual statute.
 
2012-06-05 02:13:38 PM  

kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.



No, the point of "No Duty to Retreat" is that we don't have to run and hide while calling the police like pussies. Suck it.
 
2012-06-05 02:14:17 PM  
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

First you need to yell its coming right at us. Shoot it!
 
2012-06-05 02:14:28 PM  

ChipNASA: [j.wigflip.com image 376x662]


GEORGE ZIMMERMAN RULES!!!
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2012-06-05 02:14:41 PM  
But enough about the Trayvon Martin case, what about the rest of Florida?
 
2012-06-05 02:14:47 PM  
images.wikia.com
"He's comin' right for us!"
 
2012-06-05 02:14:51 PM  

Kit Fister: Magorn: "That's right officer, I was just standing here holding this knife, when he ran into it, backwards, 14 times"

There was marcia...and sandra...and irving. I guess you could say we suffered creative differences. He saw himself as alive. I. saw. him. dead.

/obscure?


Having just felt like a dirty old man watching my son's high school drama department perform that as part of their end of year revue- no, not at least to me.
 
2012-06-05 02:15:09 PM  

Arkanaut: Meanwhile, if you're a black woman, you're not allowed to "stand your ground":

Link

/NRA didn't raise any money for her defense either.


i186.photobucket.com
/black woman problems.
 
2012-06-05 02:15:30 PM  

kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.


Not only that, it encourages gun owners to make sure they kill the other party so their story can't be questioned.

And there's the problem of: If both parties feel threatened, can both legally be said to be standing their ground?
 
2012-06-05 02:15:45 PM  
If this was a series, I'd just go to the last episode and FF to the Judge's sentencing comments.

They will be as epic as Sorkin on a coke bender.
 
2012-06-05 02:15:58 PM  

Arkanaut: Meanwhile, if you're a black woman, you're not allowed to "stand your ground":

Link

/NRA didn't raise any money for her defense either.


Shes not white enough to be set free.
 
2012-06-05 02:15:58 PM  

adeist69: kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.


No, the point of "No Duty to Retreat" is that we don't have to run and hide while calling the police like pussies. Suck it.


Because everyone taking the law into their own hands and acting like vigilantes is totally compatible with civilization and could not possibly have any unintended consequences.
 
2012-06-05 02:16:17 PM  

kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.


Because nobody else is capable of killing, amirite?
 
2012-06-05 02:17:34 PM  
In a third of "stand your ground" defenses, the defendant started the fight that ended in the shooting and still went free.

Well, no shiat. Some of these guys drive around actively looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. Cordell Jude, for one.
 
2012-06-05 02:18:22 PM  
Shut up and buy more guns.

Everyone is out to get you.

Don't stand for some idiot who looks at you funny after you've had a bad day.

Most everyone is controlled by demons anyway.
 
2012-06-05 02:20:07 PM  

Persnickety: kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.

Not only that, it encourages gun owners to make sure they kill the other party so their story can't be questioned.

And there's the problem of: If both parties feel threatened, can both legally be said to be standing their ground?


Use of deadly force without an attempt to retreat is justified only if the feel of threat is evident to a reasonable person and only if the violence is unprovoked.
 
2012-06-05 02:20:19 PM  

adeist69: kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.


No, the point of "No Duty to Retreat" is that we don't have to run and hide while calling the police like pussies. Suck it.


You also don't need to wait for someone to actually be a threat.
 
2012-06-05 02:20:21 PM  
> In 200 Florida cases where the "stand your ground" defense was invoked, 70 percent of defendants were let go...These included cases where the defendant had shot someone in the back, or while the victim was lying down....In a third of "stand your ground" defenses, the defendant started the fight that ended in the shooting and still went free.

Gotta read that a few times and really absorb it.

This is sick in a way that redefines sick.
 
2012-06-05 02:20:56 PM  

Millennium: kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.

Because nobody else is capable of killing, amirite?


Personally, when I want to kill somebody, I magically shoot fireballs out of my bare hands at them so they burn to death. I love the smell of burning flesh...almost as much as I like the taste of it that is.
 
2012-06-05 02:21:28 PM  
How many were freed when their daddy was a judge, retired or not?

Judge's kids are just a better class of people and wear their privilege well.
 
2012-06-05 02:21:52 PM  
Defendants claiming "stand your ground" are more likely to prevail if the victim is black. Seventy-three percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

***

One man killed two unarmed people and walked out of jail. Another shot a man as he lay on the ground. Others went free after shooting their victims in the back. In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim - and still went free.


Link from the actual source article.
 
2012-06-05 02:21:54 PM  
If nothing else, Martin's case will bring this ugliness into the light of day. Not saying anything will change, but at least more people will know the thought process behind "stand your ground" laws and be rightfully sick to their stomachs.
 
2012-06-05 02:22:38 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: In a third of "stand your ground" defenses, the defendant started the fight that ended in the shooting and still went free.

Well, no shiat. Some of these guys drive around actively looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. Cordell Jude, for one.


From the blog posting:

"Why didn't he shoot my son in the leg? It would've stopped him," said Daniel Adkins Sr. to CNN recently.

A leg shot is, legally, the same "deadly force" as is a shot to the center of mass. If a shot to the leg is justifiable, then a shot to the chest is also justifiable.
 
2012-06-05 02:22:51 PM  
But the woman who was getting beaten by her husband wasn't standing her ground in shooting him.
 
2012-06-05 02:23:10 PM  
'Well, he was going to kick my ass, so i had to kill him'!
 
2012-06-05 02:23:10 PM  
floiduh.
 
2012-06-05 02:24:57 PM  

vpb: He was backing right toward me!


To be fair, it's possible for a person to run backwards at a seven-minute-mile pace. Link That could cause great bodily harm!
 
2012-06-05 02:25:17 PM  

Dimensio: Fuggin Bizzy: In a third of "stand your ground" defenses, the defendant started the fight that ended in the shooting and still went free.

Well, no shiat. Some of these guys drive around actively looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. Cordell Jude, for one.

From the blog posting:

"Why didn't he shoot my son in the leg? It would've stopped him," said Daniel Adkins Sr. to CNN recently.

A leg shot is, legally, the same "deadly force" as is a shot to the center of mass. If a shot to the leg is justifiable, then a shot to the chest is also justifiable.


Legally, sure, but we all know that morals and legalities are often unrelated.
 
2012-06-05 02:25:30 PM  

Serious Black: Millennium: kingoomieiii: Once again, the point of Stand Your Ground is to create special rights for gun owners.

Because nobody else is capable of killing, amirite?

Personally, when I want to kill somebody, I magically shoot fireballs out of my bare hands at them so they burn to death. I love the smell of burning flesh...almost as much as I like the taste of it that is.


Tastes Just like chicken.
/actually more like pork.....or so I've been told
//MMmmmm Long Pig.
 
2012-06-05 02:26:10 PM  
I see a big business opportunity in Fla, for legal human hunting.

For a fee, we'll arm you and place you in a situation where you feel the need to defend yourself under our "Stand Your Ground Law". Afterwards we'll take a photo of you and your trophy.
 
2012-06-05 02:26:28 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: > In 200 Florida cases where the "stand your ground" defense was invoked, 70 percent of defendants were let go...These included cases where the defendant had shot someone in the back, or while the victim was lying down....In a third of "stand your ground" defenses, the defendant started the fight that ended in the shooting and still went free.

Gotta read that a few times and really absorb it.

This is sick in a way that redefines sick.


Yeah, but it's all worth it if you get to walk around and pretend you're John Wayne.
 
2012-06-05 02:28:02 PM  

Serious Black: Dimensio: Fuggin Bizzy: In a third of "stand your ground" defenses, the defendant started the fight that ended in the shooting and still went free.

Well, no shiat. Some of these guys drive around actively looking for an excuse to shoot somebody. Cordell Jude, for one.

From the blog posting:

"Why didn't he shoot my son in the leg? It would've stopped him," said Daniel Adkins Sr. to CNN recently.

A leg shot is, legally, the same "deadly force" as is a shot to the center of mass. If a shot to the leg is justifiable, then a shot to the chest is also justifiable.

Legally, sure, but we all know that morals and legalities are often unrelated.


If Mr. Adkins is suggesting that a shot to his son's leg would have been legally justified then he is effectively stating that his son was creating a reasonable threat of imminent grievous bodily injury or death.

Shots to limbs are not recommended for neutralizing actual threats; limbs are smaller and more directly mobile targets and even direct shots to them may not as effectively neutralize the subject.
 
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