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(Telegraph)   Germany's Merkel on idea to save the Euro: Nein Nein Nein. Finally, someone believes in Herman Cain's financial plan   (blogs.telegraph.co.uk) divider line 30
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2012-06-05 02:42:16 PM
Did someone say nyan?

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2012-06-05 02:42:34 PM
In before;

"You know who else....."
 
2012-06-05 02:42:46 PM
Nein....nein.....nein

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2012-06-05 02:44:04 PM
More like "99 Luftballons" but hey, whatever works!
 
2012-06-05 02:44:39 PM
It's perfectly consistent, works out every time!
 
2012-06-05 02:45:13 PM
Germany has a strong interest in keeping things as-is for as long as possible. The other countries should be pushing for a stronger centralized leadership instead of running home to mommy every time they need a bailout.
 
2012-06-05 02:46:21 PM
"chiefly a punishment and discipline union"--sounds like something a German would come up with.
 
2012-06-05 02:46:56 PM
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2012-06-05 02:48:04 PM
There were others who agreed with Cain, subby.

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2012-06-05 02:48:44 PM

MrEricSir: Germany has a strong interest in keeping things as-is for as long as possible. The other countries should be pushing for a stronger centralized leadership instead of running home to mommy every time they need a bailout.


I don't think the other countries would actually appreciate said stronger centralized leadership.

Germany would be making the hard cuts for them, which would lead to larger revolts...
 
2012-06-05 02:48:52 PM
The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.
 
2012-06-05 02:52:16 PM

PowerSlacker: I don't think the other countries would actually appreciate said stronger centralized leadership.

Germany would be making the hard cuts for them, which would lead to larger revolts...


I think they'd appreciate any system where they had a say at this point. Europeans who remember WWII must be scratching their heads at this point and saying "wait, I thought Germany lost?"
 
2012-06-05 02:55:31 PM
What is it with German politicians and this pose?

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2012-06-05 03:01:17 PM

TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.


Yep. You've either got to be one country or it just won't work.
 
2012-06-05 03:01:45 PM
Velcome to the Fourth Reich, old man. Now you must sign ze papers!
 
2012-06-05 03:08:40 PM
Ol' Merkie knows a thing or two about stimulus:

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2012-06-05 03:15:55 PM
Join ze party und ve vill rule ze world!
 
2012-06-05 03:20:14 PM

JustGetItRight: TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.

Yep. You've either got to be one country or it just won't work.



I think it's going to be inevitable. Some today might believe it unthinkable that all these countries would give up some of their sovereignty to a central government, but if the weak countries vote against it they are likely to become penniless and impoverished. Germans will vote for it because they don't want the multitudes of refugees trying to escape from Greece and Spain.

It's the basic economics of it. They need to federalize. They'll be stronger for it too.
 
2012-06-05 03:21:14 PM

peterstork670: It's perfectly consistent, works out every time!


Square One reference, FTW! Damn it, now I have that song in my head!
 
2012-06-05 03:22:19 PM
Police, ambulance or fire brigade?
 
2012-06-05 03:25:25 PM
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2012-06-05 03:57:03 PM

TheDirtyNacho: JustGetItRight: TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.

Yep. You've either got to be one country or it just won't work.


I think it's going to be inevitable. Some today might believe it unthinkable that all these countries would give up some of their sovereignty to a central government, but if the weak countries vote against it they are likely to become penniless and impoverished. Germans will vote for it because they don't want the multitudes of refugees trying to escape from Greece and Spain.

It's the basic economics of it. They need to federalize. They'll be stronger for it too.


Your point is accurate but I think there's a much better chance the thing falls completely apart. I'm not certain that Germany would be willing to vote for it unless they get to run the show. They're in far, far better shape than the rest of the Eurozone. I don't see them chaining on the anchor of other nation's debts unless they get to drive the boat and I don't see other nations willingly surrendering their sovereignty to Germany.
 
2012-06-05 04:05:00 PM

TheDirtyNacho: They need to federalize. They'll be stronger for it too.


Ah, yes. The trouble is clearly that the Flemish, Scots, Catalonians, Basques, Corsicans, Sardinians, et farking cetera aren't all glued into one big ball of arguments.
 
2012-06-05 04:17:54 PM

TheDirtyNacho: JustGetItRight: TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.

Yep. You've either got to be one country or it just won't work.


I think it's going to be inevitable. Some today might believe it unthinkable that all these countries would give up some of their sovereignty to a central government, but if the weak countries vote against it they are likely to become penniless and impoverished. Germans will vote for it because they don't want the multitudes of refugees trying to escape from Greece and Spain.

It's the basic economics of it. They need to federalize. They'll be stronger for it too.

But they need to do it very ugently. But the problem is there are still far too many differences in attitudes, languages, culture etc. to ever work. Still so many resentments between this country and that. Imagine all of your family, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters living under one roof, and knowing they can never leave.
 
2012-06-05 04:53:04 PM

lookheremyman: TheDirtyNacho: JustGetItRight: TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.

Yep. You've either got to be one country or it just won't work.


I think it's going to be inevitable. Some today might believe it unthinkable that all these countries would give up some of their sovereignty to a central government, but if the weak countries vote against it they are likely to become penniless and impoverished. Germans will vote for it because they don't want the multitudes of refugees trying to escape from Greece and Spain.

It's the basic economics of it. They need to federalize. They'll be stronger for it too.
But they need to do it very ugently. But the problem is there are still far too many differences in attitudes, languages, culture etc. to ever work. Still so many resentments between this country and that. Imagine all of your family, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters living under one roof, and knowing they can never leave.



They said the same thing about the euro. And many of the same arguments were made back in the 1700s with the early USA. Ultimately though, if they don't centralize their economic policies Spain, Italy and Greece are going to turn into refugee camps. And that's way more expensive and undesirable than a united states of Europe.

They are different culturally, but nobody wants to go from being an industrialized nation to a shantytown. Spain today announced that it basically cannot get the money it needs to function on the private market anymore. Germany can't dictate terms - the southern europeans will vote against it if they push too hard, while people will still flee into Germany both physically and their currency.

It's a careful balance, but sooner than later a US of E is going to be the result.
 
2012-06-05 05:28:37 PM
Follow Iceland throw out fiat debt based central banking system, and imprision criminal bankers.
 
2012-06-05 05:30:58 PM

TheDirtyNacho: lookheremyman: TheDirtyNacho: JustGetItRight: TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.

Yep. You've either got to be one country or it just won't work.


I think it's going to be inevitable. Some today might believe it unthinkable that all these countries would give up some of their sovereignty to a central government, but if the weak countries vote against it they are likely to become penniless and impoverished. Germans will vote for it because they don't want the multitudes of refugees trying to escape from Greece and Spain.

It's the basic economics of it. They need to federalize. They'll be stronger for it too.
But they need to do it very ugently. But the problem is there are still far too many differences in attitudes, languages, culture etc. to ever work. Still so many resentments between this country and that. Imagine all of your family, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters living under one roof, and knowing they can never leave.


They said the same thing about the euro. And many of the same arguments were made back in the 1700s with the early USA. Ultimately though, if they don't centralize their economic policies Spain, Italy and Greece are going to turn into refugee camps. And that's way more expensive and undesirable than a united states of Europe.

They are different culturally, but nobody wants to go from being an industrialized nation to a shantytown. Spain today announced that it basically cannot get the money it needs to function on the private market anymore. Germany can't dictate terms - the southern europeans will vote ...


From a pragmatic standpoint I agree, but I'm n the camp that thinks at the end of the day the cultures are too different and the histories too deep. Emotions will override pragmatism I'm afraid, and we'll all suffer for it.
 
2012-06-05 07:01:36 PM
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2012-06-05 07:04:00 PM

TheDirtyNacho: The EU reminds me of the first failed attempt at the USA by the articles of confederation. Too many separate but equal political governments that squabbled about everything, some with strong economies and some with weak. Center to it all was a big debt burden from the revolutionary war and problems collecting taxes from the population.

History repeats itself. They've either got to go back to the way things were (not likely), or go federal to make it work.


history-of-macedonia.com

Never lasts.
 
2012-06-05 07:22:00 PM
StoPPeRmobile:

MERKEL VS. URKEL

a short play in three acts

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