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(Chicago Trib)   Cubs tie record with their eleventh straight loss on the road. BOOK IT. DONE   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 52
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2012-06-05 09:44:32 AM
*sob* we'll *sob* getthemnextseason *sob*
 
2012-06-05 10:19:47 AM
"It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.

There is going to be a period of 5 years or so when the Cubs are just total shiat, then a 2-3 year period when they'll be mediocre to good, then 1-2 years when they might make the playoffs. But they blew their best chance years ago when they had a healthy pitching staff if not the best offense. It'll be a decade before they return to contention. Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.
 
2012-06-05 10:51:32 AM
Had a feeling it was going to be a bad year after watching the first few games, but it is getting the point that I am not even watching the games because I don't feel the Cubs are even being competitive this year.
 
2012-06-05 12:04:06 PM
So, I guess JJ Abrams' upcoming show gets it all wrong, then?

download.gamezone.com
 
2012-06-05 12:33:51 PM
"BOOK IT. DONE" has to be one of my favorite memes.
 
2012-06-05 12:46:05 PM

bdub77: "It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.

There is going to be a period of 5 years or so when the Cubs are just total shiat, then a 2-3 year period when they'll be mediocre to good, then 1-2 years when they might make the playoffs. But they blew their best chance years ago when they had a healthy pitching staff if not the best offense. It'll be a decade before they return to contention. Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.


Is the ownership really apathetic, or is it just mind-numbingly incompetent?
 
2012-06-05 12:47:02 PM

Current Resident: So, I guess JJ Abrams' upcoming show gets it all wrong, then?

[download.gamezone.com image 620x400]


Seriously, that was just such a wrong prediction and such an easily avoidable wrong prediction that you have to wonder if Abrams was just trying to tweak Cubs fans with that.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:19 PM

That_Dude: bdub77: "It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.

There is going to be a period of 5 years or so when the Cubs are just total shiat, then a 2-3 year period when they'll be mediocre to good, then 1-2 years when they might make the playoffs. But they blew their best chance years ago when they had a healthy pitching staff if not the best offense. It'll be a decade before they return to contention. Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.

Is the ownership really apathetic, or is it just mind-numbingly incompetent?


Probably the latter. And really, you don't have to be THAT incompetent to suck. You only have to be more incompetent than most other front offices, and you sink right to the bottom.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:57 PM

bdub77: So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw.


Dale Sveum's "last straw" is apparently like Mark Dantonio's "zero tolerance" policy.
 
2012-06-05 12:55:38 PM

That_Dude: Is the ownership really apathetic, or is it just mind-numbingly incompetent?


Considering the Ricketts family violated Rule #1 of Chicago (don't piss off the mayor), got some of the most loyal fans in North American sports to the verge of burning their jerseys, allowed rumors to proliferate about trading the one guy on the roster that it would be absolutely insane to trade while there are still bad contracts to dump, and have spent money on that stupid Toyota sign and that stupid scoreboard in right field while the clubhouse facilities remain unquestionably the worst in the majors... I go with Team Stupid.
 
2012-06-05 12:59:24 PM
Look, I'm sorry, I'll only ask once, I promise.

Can somebody expound on the "book it" meme here? Google searches are coming up with just more memes on top of memes.

Meme.
 
2012-06-05 01:05:01 PM
Get ready, Cubs fans. It's coming. Theo's big move is almost here.
/who wants Kevin Youkilis?
 
2012-06-05 01:14:28 PM
29th worst record in baseball.

We're witnessing the MLB: The Show commercial curse in full effect.
 
2012-06-05 01:17:05 PM

Shazam187: Look, I'm sorry, I'll only ask once, I promise.

Can somebody expound on the "book it" meme here? Google searches are coming up with just more memes on top of memes.

Meme.


May have started in this thread. Not sure.

Link
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-06-05 01:17:39 PM
And, really, isn't this like the 42nd time they've tied this record? This is the Cubs we're talking about. I'm starting to think they believe a race to the bottom is in order so they can say they're the best at what they do.
 
2012-06-05 01:17:55 PM

Shazam187: Look, I'm sorry, I'll only ask once, I promise.

Can somebody expound on the "book it" meme here? Google searches are coming up with just more memes on top of memes.

Meme.


Someone predicted the Cubbies would win it all (2005 or 2006 I think). They finished the headline with with Book it. Done. and of course failed miserably at prognostication. File with rotsky'd et. al.
 
2012-06-05 01:20:31 PM

That_Dude: bdub77: "It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.

There is going to be a period of 5 years or so when the Cubs are just total shiat, then a 2-3 year period when they'll be mediocre to good, then 1-2 years when they might make the playoffs. But they blew their best chance years ago when they had a healthy pitching staff if not the best offense. It'll be a decade before they return to contention. Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.

Is the ownership really apathetic, or is it just mind-numbingly incompetent?


At some point the two just blur together for me, like Mr. Kruger from Seinfeld.
 
2012-06-05 01:25:06 PM

ftjdw: Shazam187: Look, I'm sorry, I'll only ask once, I promise.

Can somebody expound on the "book it" meme here? Google searches are coming up with just more memes on top of memes.

Meme.

Someone predicted the Cubbies would win it all (2005 or 2006 I think). They finished the headline with with Book it. Done. and of course failed miserably at prognostication. File with rotsky'd et. al.


If you don't know the origin of a meme, then don't guess.
 
2012-06-05 01:35:44 PM

ftjdw: Someone predicted the Cubbies would win it all (2005 or 2006 I think). They finished the headline with with Book it. Done. and of course failed miserably at prognostication. File with rotsky'd et. al


Other than it being about making the playoffs rather than winning it all, being in 2007, not originating in a headline, and that the Cubs actually did fulfill the prognostication of them making the playoffs, you're right.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:21 PM

bdub77: "It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.


I dont get why they always single out Castro. he is the only member of the team who will be in the league in three years. I am not exaggerating. Think about it. Maybe Garza will be. Lahair, Barney, Stewart, Dejesus, Soriano, Dempster, Marmol, eh maybe Soto will be somewhere, Campana -meh. They suck. I get it that Castro has his lapses, but he is the only real player on that team.
 
2012-06-05 01:41:58 PM

Current Resident: So, I guess JJ Abrams' upcoming show gets it all wrong, then?

[download.gamezone.com image 620x400]


They could put any year you can imagine on that sign, and they'd still be wrong.
 
2012-06-05 01:45:18 PM
Yeah, sure, Dale. Make the daring decision: Lose 4-3 thanks to Castro's errors, or lose 2-1 because while his replacement defends well, he can't hit worth a shiat.
 
2012-06-05 01:57:20 PM
If a team offered up the right package of prospects for Castro, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. Although it would have to be a rather large group of prospects, and mainly ones in the top 25 of Baseball Prospectus' top prospects list with at least two of them being major league ready starters. And plus they would have to take Soriano along with the rest of his contract. Then I would consider a trade for Starlin Castro.

And I would stay away from the Yankees in possible Matt Garza talks. Didn't they already trade away their best prospects recently?

/restocking the farm system is where the Cubs are at now
 
2012-06-05 01:59:28 PM

Gosling: Considering the Ricketts family violated Rule #1 of Chicago (don't piss off the mayor), got some of the most loyal fans in North American sports to the verge of burning their jerseys, allowed rumors to proliferate about trading the one guy on the roster that it would be absolutely insane to trade while there are still bad contracts to dump, and have spent money on that stupid Toyota sign and that stupid scoreboard in right field while the clubhouse facilities remain unquestionably the worst in the majors... I go with Team Stupid.


Explain? Why would the Cubs spend money on an ad for Toyota?
 
2012-06-05 02:00:11 PM

bdub77: Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.


B-b-but "once the tribune sells the team they'll be awesome! The faceless corporate ownership is the only thing holding them back."
 
2012-06-05 02:03:54 PM

tricycleracer: 29th worst record in baseball.

We're witnessing the MLB: The Show commercial curse in full effect.


You just said the Cubs have the second-best record in baseball, I hope you realize.
 
2012-06-05 02:09:31 PM

germ78: And I would stay away from the Yankees in possible Matt Garza talks. Didn't they already trade away their best prospects recently?


Garza is good, but not "best prospects" good. You may be able to get 1 decent prospect for him, but he hasn't pitched all that well this year overall, at least to the extent of getting a top prospect. Especially when guys like Greinke or Hamels may be available.

Shazam187: Look, I'm sorry, I'll only ask once, I promise.

Can somebody expound on the "book it" meme here? Google searches are coming up with just more memes on top of memes.

Meme.


It happened back in 2007, early June or so. Cubs were about 7 games back of the Brewers. A farker who I will not name (hint: very well known on Fark for being a Chicago sports fan) posted in a thread "Cubs. Playoffs. Book it. Done." and they ended up making the playoffs that year. I think it was a thread about the Cubs walking off against Francisco Cordero on an Aramis Ramierz homer, but not sure. Then, in 2008, the Farker in question changed it to "team of destiny" and posted it in nearly every baseball thread, and when they got swept horribly by LA in the first round, people started doing it to tease him.
 
2012-06-05 02:14:52 PM

germ78: And I would stay away from the Yankees in possible Matt Garza talks. Didn't they already trade away their best prospects recently?


lol oh heavens no.

The Yankees don't do that anymore. sure they gave away Montero for what amounted to nothing this year, but he kinda didn't fit with the Yankees anyway, and if Pineda wasn't broken, it's a good trade.
 
2012-06-05 02:17:21 PM

machoprogrammer: It happened back in 2007, early June or so. Cubs were about 7 games back of the Brewers. A farker who I will not name (hint: very well known on Fark for being a Chicago sports fan) posted in a thread "Cubs. Playoffs. Book it. Done." and they ended up making the playoffs that year. I think it was a thread about the Cubs walking off against Francisco Cordero on an Aramis Ramierz homer, but not sure. Then, in 2008, the Farker in question changed it to "team of destiny" and posted it in nearly every baseball thread, and when they got swept horribly by LA in the first round, people started doing it to tease him.


Aquigley is not like Lord Voldemort, you know.
 
2012-06-05 02:21:43 PM

machoprogrammer: Garza is good, but not "best prospects" good. You may be able to get 1 decent prospect for him, but he hasn't pitched all that well this year overall, at least to the extent of getting a top prospect. Especially when guys like Greinke or Hamels may be available.


You have a point, but I wasn't putting the same restrictions on Garza that I was for Castro. I'm just saying stay away from the Yankees system since their system isn't well stocked. It just kills me that the previous Cubs GM (Hendry) gave away some of the best prospects in the Cubs' system for Garza, even though the Cubs won't ever be a competitive team for the duration of Garza's Cubs tenure.
 
2012-06-05 02:25:51 PM

The Bestest: lol oh heavens no


Their best pitching prospect has already been injured twice this year (back and elbow) Their next-best pitching prospect on the lists this year can't throw strikes and is likely going to be nothing more than a bullpen arm. Their consensus top position prospect is a catcher who can hit but is iffy to stay as a catcher defensively (this sounds familiar...).
 
2012-06-05 02:36:28 PM

Lando Lincoln: machoprogrammer: It happened back in 2007, early June or so. Cubs were about 7 games back of the Brewers. A farker who I will not name (hint: very well known on Fark for being a Chicago sports fan) posted in a thread "Cubs. Playoffs. Book it. Done." and they ended up making the playoffs that year. I think it was a thread about the Cubs walking off against Francisco Cordero on an Aramis Ramierz homer, but not sure. Then, in 2008, the Farker in question changed it to "team of destiny" and posted it in nearly every baseball thread, and when they got swept horribly by LA in the first round, people started doing it to tease him.

Aquigley is not like Lord Voldemort, you know.


True. Voldemort occasionally got things right.
 
2012-06-05 02:50:08 PM

Guelph35: bdub77: Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.

B-b-but "once the tribune sells the team they'll be awesome! The faceless corporate ownership is the only thing holding them back."


I never understood the "the owners don't care" arguement.

Did they give the baseball people enough money? If yes, then they care enough. If the baseball people didn't spend the money wisely, it is an operations problem, not an "ownership caring" problem.
 
2012-06-05 03:14:13 PM

Lando Lincoln: Aquigley is not like Lord Voldemort, you know.


True, but I always thought it was not kosher to call out Farkers in comments in threads they weren't in (yet).

And I was wrong, that was not the thread but the rest is right
 
2012-06-05 03:27:43 PM

Brother_Mouzone: I dont get why they always single out Castro. he is the only member of the team who will be in the league in three years.


Huh.

I was considering posting something like, "I really don't follow the Cubs unless they're playing the Giants. What's the deal with that Starlin Castro dude? Is he always that worthless? Seems like a petulant, inattentive 9 year old... was he just having a bad series?"

But I guess the answer to that last question is, "yes," apparently.

So, thanks!

I guess.
 
2012-06-05 03:32:21 PM

Dafatone: That_Dude: bdub77: "It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.

There is going to be a period of 5 years or so when the Cubs are just total shiat, then a 2-3 year period when they'll be mediocre to good, then 1-2 years when they might make the playoffs. But they blew their best chance years ago when they had a healthy pitching staff if not the best offense. It'll be a decade before they return to contention. Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.

Is the ownership really apathetic, or is it just mind-numbingly incompetent?

Probably the latter. And really, you don't have to be THAT incompetent to suck. You only have to be more incompetent than most other front offices, and you sink right to the bottom.


Why does nobody understand what the Cubs are doing?

The Cubs were screwed LONG before the Ricketts family took over. The Tribune Co approved insane, guaranteed, no-trade contracts (like Soriano's) because they were all financially backloaded and they knew they wouldn't be paying for it. They inflated the value of the team, then sold it. Smart move on their part.

So Ricketts comes in, lets Hendry work the last year of his deal, then lets him go. Then Tom Ricketts decides he is going to modernize a team that has been doing things the same way since the 50s. He hired Epstein and all his guys, he's added staff like crazy to the front office, and is expanding the international development to be one of the best in the world (example: the new facility in the Dominican Republic).

So now Epstein is saddled with ton of awful contracts to declining B-level stars. The farm system is full of guys scouted using old methods, so you get wonderful athletes like Castro who can't keep their damn heads in the game.

They've started the tearing down process at the major league level, but they also have to tear down the minor leagues, including the coaches. Then, they have to restock the farm system and begin the process of teaching and playing the game one way at all levels. Eventually, years down the road, we'll start to see major league ready talent come up every year. Not all will be stars, but you'll have a competent, cheap roster. THEN you add the A-list free agents to fill a few spots and make a run at it.

Baseball isn't like football or basketball, where you can turn around a team relatively quickly. Baseball takes longer because of the time guys have to spend in the minors. This process will take years, but for some reason morons who can't bother to read one article on the subject are writing off the new Cubs management without even waiting a full season. It's laughably stupid, really.
 
2012-06-05 03:44:45 PM
the team's longest such streak since June 18-29, 1954

Never let the facts get in the way of a good troll.
 
2012-06-05 03:59:13 PM

machoprogrammer: Lando Lincoln: Aquigley is not like Lord Voldemort, you know.

True, but I always thought it was not kosher to call out Farkers in comments in threads they weren't in (yet).

And I was wrong, that was not the thread but the rest is right


You can't call out farkers in headlines. You can mention them in threads.
 
2012-06-05 04:22:19 PM
The good news for me is that I can probably afford to take my kids to a game later this summer. I can get tickets in the third inning dirt cheap when they suck this badly and the novelty of opening day has faded away.
 
2012-06-05 04:23:57 PM

GQueue: bdub77: So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw.

Dale Sveum's "last straw" is apparently like Mark Dantonio's "zero tolerance" policy.


Do you want fries with that butt hurt?
 
2012-06-05 05:13:14 PM

Orgasmatron138: They've started the tearing down process at the major league level, but they also have to tear down the minor leagues, including the coaches. Then, they have to restock the farm system and begin the process of teaching and playing the game one way at all levels. Eventually, years down the road, we'll start to see major league ready talent come up every year. Not all will be stars, but you'll have a competent, cheap roster


The question is whether they can restock, and do it well, without doing things the way they did in Boston, which is no longer possible under the new CBA. Can't even throw big bucks at the international guys either (although Soler is coming before that starts, which is why they're going to end up giving him a ton, because this is pretty much the last time they can leverage their financial advantage in the amateur market).
 
2012-06-05 05:28:11 PM

GQueue: Orgasmatron138: They've started the tearing down process at the major league level, but they also have to tear down the minor leagues, including the coaches. Then, they have to restock the farm system and begin the process of teaching and playing the game one way at all levels. Eventually, years down the road, we'll start to see major league ready talent come up every year. Not all will be stars, but you'll have a competent, cheap roster

The question is whether they can restock, and do it well, without doing things the way they did in Boston, which is no longer possible under the new CBA. Can't even throw big bucks at the international guys either (although Soler is coming before that starts, which is why they're going to end up giving him a ton, because this is pretty much the last time they can leverage their financial advantage in the amateur market).


True, but the Cubs organization was so far behind the times that just by applying modern scouting techniques to future pics, and making sure everyone is on message in coaching and playing, the team will improve dramatically in the long run.

Anyway, to your main point, yes, many loopholes and advantages have been closed. I'm as curious as anyone to see if they can stay ahead of the curve and find the next advantage. One thing's for certain - they have a much better chance than any old Cubs regime. The only time Hendry was effective was when he apparently had incriminating pictures of Dave Littlefield.
 
2012-06-05 07:31:38 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net

Come to the Dark Side Cub Fans..watch real baseball in a pretty nice park.See what winning actually feels like.
 
2012-06-06 01:13:09 AM
Good thing the Brewers kept that streak alive tonight.

/grumble grumble what the holy f*ck was that, Crew?
 
2012-06-06 09:28:32 AM

Orgasmatron138: Dafatone: That_Dude: bdub77: "It's the last straw," Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. "He better start getting his head in the game, period."

So, it's not the last straw, is it. It's the second to last straw. The last straw would be when you bench his ass.

There is going to be a period of 5 years or so when the Cubs are just total shiat, then a 2-3 year period when they'll be mediocre to good, then 1-2 years when they might make the playoffs. But they blew their best chance years ago when they had a healthy pitching staff if not the best offense. It'll be a decade before they return to contention. Their ownership simply doesn't give a shiat how they do.

Is the ownership really apathetic, or is it just mind-numbingly incompetent?

Probably the latter. And really, you don't have to be THAT incompetent to suck. You only have to be more incompetent than most other front offices, and you sink right to the bottom.

Why does nobody understand what the Cubs are doing?

The Cubs were screwed LONG before the Ricketts family took over. The Tribune Co approved insane, guaranteed, no-trade contracts (like Soriano's) because they were all financially backloaded and they knew they wouldn't be paying for it. They inflated the value of the team, then sold it. Smart move on their part.

So Ricketts comes in, lets Hendry work the last year of his deal, then lets him go. Then Tom Ricketts decides he is going to modernize a team that has been doing things the same way since the 50s. He hired Epstein and all his guys, he's added staff like crazy to the front office, and is expanding the international development to be one of the best in the world (example: the new facility in the Dominican Republic).

So now Epstein is saddled with ton of awful contracts to declining B-level stars. The farm system is full of guys scouted using old methods, so you get wonderful athletes like Castro who can't keep their damn heads in the game.

They've started the tearing down process at the major league le ...


The Kool-Aide, you are drinking it.
 
2012-06-06 10:11:19 AM

tequilasundae: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 401x600]

Come to the Dark Side Cub Fans..watch real baseball in a pretty nice park.See what winning actually feels like.


Look, I know your team's attendance is in the crapper, and it's embarrassing because they're playing well, but begging people to come to the games won't help.

bacongood, I stated facts. The Kool Aid drinkers are the ones who thought the Cubs could win by throwing huge contracts at overhyped talent.
 
2012-06-06 10:36:14 AM

Orgasmatron138:
bacongood, I stated facts. The Kool Aid drinkers are the ones who thought the Cubs could win by throwing huge contracts at overhyped talent.


Let's see:

Orgasmatron138: Why does nobody understand what the Cubs are doing?

The Cubs were screwed LONG before the Ricketts family took over. The Tribune Co approved insane, guaranteed, no-trade contracts (like Soriano's) because they were all financially backloaded and they knew they wouldn't be paying for it. They inflated the value of the team, then sold it. Smart move on their part.


True enough, though you ignore that they did buy some legit shots at the WS.


So Ricketts comes in, lets Hendry work the last year of his deal, then lets him go. Then Tom Ricketts decides he is going to modernize a team that has been doing things the same way since the 50s. He hired Epstein and all his guys, he's added staff like crazy to the front office, and is expanding the international development to be one of the best in the world (example: the new facility in the Dominican Republic).


Letting Hendry work the last year of the deal was horrible. The Cubs were frozen at the trading deadline last year because Hendry has no authority and nobody was in charge. They failed to make some very logical and helpful moves. That was not good leadership.

The Cubs have not been doing the same thing since the 50s. Ever hear of the College of Coaches (stupidest idea ever)? Night games (which they are still fighting for more of because they think the constant day games is a negative on player performance)?


So now Epstein is saddled with ton of awful contracts to declining B-level stars. The farm system is full of guys scouted using old methods, so you get wonderful athletes like Castro who can't keep their damn heads in the game.


Aside from Soriano, what other contracts are "awful"? Marmol has a stupid one (IMHO that was dumber than Sorianos). The only other non-arb players signed for next year are DeJesus and Maholm.

The minors are what they have been for awhile: full of power arms and shiat posistion players. Yes, the hitting side can be improved; but the pitching has been pretty solid for awhile.


They've started the tearing down process at the major league level, but they also have to tear down the minor leagues, including the coaches. Then, they have to restock the farm system and begin the process of teaching and playing the game one way at all levels. Eventually, years down the road, we'll start to see major league ready talent come up every year. Not all will be stars, but you'll have a competent, cheap roster. THEN you add the A-list free agents to fill a few spots and make a run at it.


If they are now teaching the game the right way at the minors, why is the first round pick from last year swearing at the other team's coaching staffs and not being punished?

Hmm... homegrown talent (like Prior, Z, Wood, I also include the various players acquired via trade for young talent like Aramis and Lee) coupled with some big name FAs (like Soriano?)... this sounds a lot like the '07-'08 teams...


Baseball isn't like football or basketball, where you can turn around a team relatively quickly. Baseball takes longer because of the time guys have to spend in the minors. This process will take years, but for some reason morons who can't bother to read one article on the subject are writing off the new Cubs management without even waiting a full season. It's laughably stupid, really.


Turning the Cubs into a playoff team could easily be done in three seasons with some good luck. 5 years with average luck.
 
2012-06-06 10:49:27 AM
bacongood

I won't bother copying all of it.

Aside from Soriano's contracts, the other awful ones off the top of my head are Zambrano, Bradley, Fukudome, Garciaparra, Nady, and Jacque Jones. I'm sure there are more. I'm not saying they should have signed some of these guys, I'm saying that more competent management wouldn't have allowed no-trade clauses along with astronomical salaries.

You named a few pitchers who came up from the farm system. None of them lived up to their full potential here, and, at best, had one great season each. The last star left-handed position player they developed was Mark Grace, over twenty years ago. Can you name many more stars who came from their farm system since then?
 
2012-06-06 11:45:33 AM

Orgasmatron138: bacongood

I won't bother copying all of it.

Aside from Soriano's contracts, the other awful ones off the top of my head are Zambrano, Bradley, Fukudome, Garciaparra, Nady, and Jacque Jones. I'm sure there are more. I'm not saying they should have signed some of these guys, I'm saying that more competent management wouldn't have allowed no-trade clauses along with astronomical salaries.


Zambrano - that bought out a year of arb plus 4 FA for what... 90M? That was probably a good deal; the Cubs just didn't learn how to handle him.
Bradley - I agree, though the main issue was the 3 years.
Fukudome - other "competent managements" offered him the exact same deal.
Nomar - As far as I remember, the Cubs never signed Nomar.
Nady - Pretty sure that was a one year deal for Jones - Probably a pretty good contract (what was it... 3 years $18M?). He was a bad signing in that he was a poor fit for the team as it was (and his rabbit ears combined with some racist fans). But if that is all it takes to be incompentent, that's a strict bar.

But the real issue is that there is nothing to indicate the current state of the Cubs is any different. Those signings are all pretty solid baseball moves (seriously, go try to find articles saying those are bad moves when the moves were made; i bet you can find them on Bradley and that's it).


You named a few pitchers who came up from the farm system. None of them lived up to their full potential here, and, at best, had one great season each. The last star left-handed position player they developed was Mark Grace, over twenty years ago. Can you name many more stars who came from their farm system since then?


Left handed posistion players? So you are only a good system if you develop an all-star 1B? Sounds about right...
 
2012-06-06 01:56:44 PM

bacongood: Orgasmatron138: bacongood

I won't bother copying all of it.

Aside from Soriano's contracts, the other awful ones off the top of my head are Zambrano, Bradley, Fukudome, Garciaparra, Nady, and Jacque Jones. I'm sure there are more. I'm not saying they should have signed some of these guys, I'm saying that more competent management wouldn't have allowed no-trade clauses along with astronomical salaries.


Zambrano - that bought out a year of arb plus 4 FA for what... 90M? That was probably a good deal; the Cubs just didn't learn how to handle him.
Bradley - I agree, though the main issue was the 3 years.
Fukudome - other "competent managements" offered him the exact same deal.
Nomar - As far as I remember, the Cubs never signed Nomar.
Nady - Pretty sure that was a one year deal for Jones - Probably a pretty good contract (what was it... 3 years $18M?). He was a bad signing in that he was a poor fit for the team as it was (and his rabbit ears combined with some racist fans). But if that is all it takes to be incompentent, that's a strict bar.

But the real issue is that there is nothing to indicate the current state of the Cubs is any different. Those signings are all pretty solid baseball moves (seriously, go try to find articles saying those are bad moves when the moves were made; i bet you can find them on Bradley and that's it).


You named a few pitchers who came up from the farm system. None of them lived up to their full potential here, and, at best, had one great season each. The last star left-handed position player they developed was Mark Grace, over twenty years ago. Can you name many more stars who came from their farm system since then?

Left handed posistion players? So you are only a good system if you develop an all-star 1B? Sounds about right...


Nomar got a new contract after the initial trade.

My point about Grace was that was to illustrate how few stars the Cubs developed. Since Mark Grace, what stars came from the Cubs' system?

And seriously, if you think those contracts were good..... Jesus, dude. All I can say is that you can't buy a championship, especially if you aren't spending Yankee money, but are instead overspending for the B-team.

The results of getting swept twice in the first round of the postseason speak for themselves.
 
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