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(USA Today)   "If Republicans take over the White House and the Congress and start cutting, the same voices now championing compromise as a virtue in itself will be applauding the principled idealism of Democrats who refuse to compromise"   (usatoday.com) divider line 76
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2012-06-05 08:59:29 AM  
I don't champion compromise as a virtue at all, never did.
 
2012-06-05 09:03:32 AM  
I can only imagine the kind of 'compromise' the Republican party would be willing to concede to, given their complete control of the government.
 
2012-06-05 09:04:27 AM  
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2012-06-05 09:12:34 AM  
But they won't start cutting.
 
2012-06-05 09:14:39 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: But they won't start cutting.


They'll cut a hundred million dolloar social program, while ramping up defense a couple hundred billion and then claim they were budget hawks.
 
2012-06-05 09:14:48 AM  
if republicans take over the white house and congress, the united states will become a second-world kleptocracy like russia.
 
2012-06-05 10:00:10 AM  
I don't want Democrats compromising with Republicans because Republicans have shown they'll simply move the goal posts. When Republicans are willing to negotiate in good faith, fine. But I don't want the Democrats giving in on destructive policies just to look bipartisan. That's how we got stuck in two wars paid for by tax cuts.
 
2012-06-05 10:02:46 AM  
It's the same shiat they're doing with Obama. "If he gets re-elected he will do this and that". Not much of a leg to stand on guys.

"The democrats will do the same shiat we're doing". Republicans. If the guy at my local IMAX theater was as good at projecting, he wouldn't have farked up the first 5 minutes of the Avengers for us.
 
2012-06-05 10:45:19 AM  
No, they won't. Democrats are far more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa. In fact, they're about seven times more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa.
 
2012-06-05 10:45:39 AM  
And the same people standing firm against compromise will publicly roast the Democratic party for not acquiescing.

/So tired of all this shiat!
 
2012-06-05 10:46:28 AM  
Because preventing the country from going down the drain is exactly the same as preventing the country from succeeding.

So Vote Republican!
 
2012-06-05 10:47:35 AM  

Mugato: It's the same shiat they're doing with Obama. "If he gets re-elected he will do this and that". Not much of a leg to stand on guys.


Well, okay, he might not do this, but you can bet he'll do that, repeatedly.
 
2012-06-05 10:48:12 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: But they won't start cutting.


And they won't suddenly start offering compromises either.
 
2012-06-05 10:49:26 AM  
"I'd like to cut of your legs for no reason."

"What? No way!"

"Okay, lets compromise, I'll only cut off your feet for no reason!"
 
2012-06-05 10:49:55 AM  
FTFHeadline: If Republicans take over the White House and the Congress and start cutting welfare and health care programs and dumping it into defense and their own pockets, the same voices now championing compromise as a virtue in itself will be applauding the principled idealism of Democrats who refuse to compromise unable to complain once they start dying penniless in the streets.

/FTFReality.
//It sounds dire, but am I wrong?
 
2012-06-05 10:51:10 AM  
Democrats compromise far more frequently than Republicans. So far, the Republicans have a record of compromise Kim Jong Il would be proud of.

/Reporter discovers politics happen in politics. The Sun is there.
 
2012-06-05 10:52:01 AM  

Serious Black: No, they won't. Democrats are far more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa. In fact, they're about seven times more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa.


Republicans have many no compromise issues, and growing. Democrats really don't have those, or they haven't shown the same spine. Because there is no negotiation, as soon as something that even symbolizes one of these issues enters the conversation, it is taken off the table.

With the right there is no negotiation of:
-gays
-women's rights expansion, at least through legislative channels
-taxes being raised for any reason
-obamacare's repeal

What am I missing here?
 
2012-06-05 10:52:06 AM  
Let's not forget that the Dems offered the Repubs a reduction deal with a spending-cuts to revenue-increase ratio of 10:1. And the Repubs rejected it. Don't sit there and tell me that the Repubs want to "stop us from driving over the cliff" or whatever idiotic cliche that writer used. They were offered a great opportunity to do exactly what they wanted to do, but because taxes went up by a few cents for rich people, the GOP wanted nothing to do with it.
 
2012-06-05 10:54:00 AM  

TimonC346: Serious Black: No, they won't. Democrats are far more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa. In fact, they're about seven times more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa.

Republicans have many no compromise issues, and growing. Democrats really don't have those, or they haven't shown the same spine. Because there is no negotiation, as soon as something that even symbolizes one of these issues enters the conversation, it is taken off the table.

With the right there is no negotiation of:
-gays
-women's rights expansion, at least through legislative channels
-taxes being raised for any reason
-obamacare's repeal

What am I missing here?


-arugula
-birf certficks
-dijon mustard
-labor unions
-domestic auto industry
-abortion
-military spending being cut for any reason
 
2012-06-05 10:54:25 AM  
If the Republicans are going to win back both sides of Congress, I'd like to see them only win the Senate by two or three seats. That way, Democrats can fillibuster EVERYTHING just like the Republicans have done for the past four years.

Oh wait, that would require you to have a spine and some testicular fortitude...both of which with Democrats seems to be in short supply.
 
2012-06-05 10:56:26 AM  
Republicans are wrong about the economy, wrong abour foreign policy, and wrong about individual liberty. What the fark should we compromise with?
 
2012-06-05 10:57:17 AM  

TimonC346: Serious Black: No, they won't. Democrats are far more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa. In fact, they're about seven times more willing to compromise and vote for bills proposed by Republicans than vice versa.

Republicans have many no compromise issues, and growing. Democrats really don't have those, or they haven't shown the same spine. Because there is no negotiation, as soon as something that even symbolizes one of these issues enters the conversation, it is taken off the table.

With the right there is no negotiation of:
-gays
-women's rights expansion, at least through legislative channels
-taxes being raised for any reason
-obamacare's repeal

What am I missing here?


-War with Iran
-FDA cuts
-Corporate loopholes increased
-Possible declaration of Christianity as official religion of the US
-"Papers, please" laws in every state
-Increased defense budgets
-Further voting restriction laws
-Increased drilling in federally protected lands
-Regulations lifted on fracking
 
2012-06-05 11:01:49 AM  
Democrats better do the exact same thing. But of course they won't. They'll cave, because that's what they do.
 
2012-06-05 11:03:11 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: Democrats better do the exact same thing. But of course they won't. They'll cave, because that's what they do.


You'd rather they put party over country? Seriously? Fark that shiat.
 
2012-06-05 11:03:30 AM  
As a Democrat, I can say this:

If the Republicans win, the Democrats had farking well better be goddamned sticks in the mud and gum up the works on every goddamn thing the Republicans try to accomplish. Screw 'em. They're pure evil.
 
2012-06-05 11:04:35 AM  
I've been dabbling in local politics with some success, and one thing I've observed is that there's no point in compromising with teabaggers. There's nothing you can give them that'll make them happy, they'll never stop trying to tear down everything you've built.

In the last two City Council elections, their chosen slate went down in flames; they won zero of the nine seats they contested. And yet the City Council /still/ placates them, still acts like their black helicopter fantasies are serious things that we should talk about. Every one of them sits at their desk because the caneshakers don't have the strength to destroy them, and still they worry.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to do about it. I can't run for a Council seat; odds of winning aside, they're notionally volunteer positions and I've got bills to pay. Might be that the best solution is just to move. I live in the largest city in America without public transportation, and just getting a plan for bike lanes put together was a massive undertaking that these people are busy trying to starve of funding.
 
2012-06-05 11:05:30 AM  
I heard the democrats are going to make senators start bringing their own coffee cups to the congressional break room. It's madness!
 
2012-06-05 11:05:52 AM  

CPennypacker: Republicans are wrong about the economy, wrong abour foreign policy, and wrong about individual liberty. What the fark should we compromise with?


Be less right about those things.
 
2012-06-05 11:08:45 AM  
Democrats tried compromising with Republicans for two years. We got a pathetically watered down stimulus package, a Republican health care bill, gays in the military at the cost of the deficit exploding Bush Tax Cuts, and record levels of filibuster abuse for any bill that the Democrats wouldn't butcher to appease a Republican minority.

Message received, compromise is a dead tactic in today's Washington. Until the right wing collectively goes on Clopixol compromise is going to stay dead.
 
2012-06-05 11:09:45 AM  
Has this ever happened before? So what makes you think it's going to start now?
 
2012-06-05 11:10:17 AM  

jesdynf: I've been dabbling in local politics with some success, and one thing I've observed is that there's no point in compromising with teabaggers. There's nothing you can give them that'll make them happy, they'll never stop trying to tear down everything you've built.

In the last two City Council elections, their chosen slate went down in flames; they won zero of the nine seats they contested. And yet the City Council /still/ placates them, still acts like their black helicopter fantasies are serious things that we should talk about. Every one of them sits at their desk because the caneshakers don't have the strength to destroy them, and still they worry.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to do about it. I can't run for a Council seat; odds of winning aside, they're notionally volunteer positions and I've got bills to pay. Might be that the best solution is just to move. I live in the largest city in America without public transportation, and just getting a plan for bike lanes put together was a massive undertaking that these people are busy trying to starve of funding.


It's been my observation that Tea baggers are only in it for the fight. They're economically illiterate, agitated retirees who need the conflict to feel alive. They have no idea what they're talking about, they're just full of "feelings" and thrive on the opposition and any victory makes them hungry for more. Problem is, they have no idea what to do once they achieve power. Perfect example is Kristi Noem...she was elected because she's atttractive and she's accomplished NOTHING since taking office two years ago.

Eventually, the Tea Party will be relegated to the political history of the early 21st century and the obituary pages..where they belong.
 
2012-06-05 11:10:57 AM  

Cythraul: I can only imagine the kind of 'compromise' the Republican party would be willing to concede to, given their complete control of the government.


To Republicans, "compromise" and "concede" are the same thing. Republicans don't negotiate anymore. If they only get 90% of what they want, then they see that as a failure.

Democrats: "Okay, you can have 75% of what you want, and we can have 25% of what we want. Is that good enough? Pretty please?"

Republicans: "Go fark yourselves, you vile scumbags!"
 
2012-06-05 11:10:59 AM  

IrateShadow: CPennypacker: Republicans are wrong about the economy, wrong abour foreign policy, and wrong about individual liberty. What the fark should we compromise with?

Be less right about those things.


I understand the democratic urge to compromise, I really do. When your positions tend to stem from logic and reality, you realize that compromise may be necessary, even when you are opposed by people who are 100% wrong, because compromise gets things done and you are better off getting 50% done right than getting 0% done at all. But the GOP refuses to compromise at all, and the Democrats need to learn to play the game a little more, because as it stands the idiots are "refusing to compromise on principal" and so nothing is getting done at all and the country is being flushed.
 
2012-06-05 11:13:16 AM  
Also, this article is one of the lamest attempts at a BSABSVR I think I've ever seen.
 
2012-06-05 11:15:20 AM  

CPennypacker: But the GOP refuses to compromise at all, and the Democrats need to learn to play the game a little more, because as it stands the idiots are "refusing to compromise on principal" and so nothing is getting done at all and the country is being flushed.


It's really a matter of being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Forget compromising, how do you accomplish anything when one side threatens to throw a tantrum and blow up the economy if they don't get everything they want when they want it?
 
2012-06-05 11:15:46 AM  
If assholes had mouths, they would be criticizing the Mexicans for making spicy salsa. Discuss.

/since we're playing hypothetical.
 
2012-06-05 11:16:43 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Also, this article is one of the lamest attempts at a BSABSVR I think I've ever seen.


What the hell do you expect? It was written by Jonah Goldberg, a guy who believes us liberals love Hitler (and I mean in a necrophiliac, homosexual way) and wants conservatives to beat the socialism out of people who don't believe capitalism is the best.
 
2012-06-05 11:17:26 AM  
Oh wait, that would require you to have a spine and some testicular fortitude...both of which with Democrats seems to be in short supply.

ha, so true
 
2012-06-05 11:18:31 AM  

Superjew: Because preventing the country from going down the drain is exactly the same as preventing the country from succeeding.

So Vote Republican!



Um, tax cuts have proven to be successful methods of increasing revenue.
 
2012-06-05 11:19:40 AM  

CPennypacker: IrateShadow: CPennypacker: Republicans are wrong about the economy, wrong abour foreign policy, and wrong about individual liberty. What the fark should we compromise with?

Be less right about those things.

I understand the democratic urge to compromise, I really do. When your positions tend to stem from logic and reality, you realize that compromise may be necessary, even when you are opposed by people who are 100% wrong, because compromise gets things done and you are better off getting 50% done right than getting 0% done at all. But the GOP refuses to compromise at all, and the Democrats need to learn to play the game a little more, because as it stands the idiots are "refusing to compromise on principal" and so nothing is getting done at all and the country is being flushed.


It will be interesting to see what happens when Tea Party supported representatives and senators decide that maybe being in office is more fun than being ideologically pure, like the recent Grover Norquist apostates. Will the TP'ers abandon them or settle for their 50%?

See: Term Limits and the Contract With America signees for reference.
 
2012-06-05 11:19:54 AM  
GOP - Bully archetype
Democrats - Nerd archetype

Nerds always cave. They see it as a winning solution to play the long game and get incremental changes. Republicans are fighting a losing war of attrition. The Right has been on the losing side of every issue for the last 150 years. They know that they will lose in the end, so they dig their heels in for as long as they can. They fight for every inch of ground.

This has become a problem with taxes, because it has created the massive debt. The Democrats want to tax and spend while the GOP wants to borrow and spend. The compromise is that both types of spending pass, but no taxes are increased to pay for it.
 
2012-06-05 11:21:40 AM  
It depends what's getting cut.

Salary increases to Senators and Representatives? I have no problem with those cuts.

Spending projects that have no real purpose other than for big business cronyism? I have no problem with those cuts

Wasteful defense spending (i.e.. research on machinery the military has said they don't need/want)? I have no problem with those cuts

Social programs that help Americans get back on their feet and become contributing members of society again? I have serious problems with those cuts.

Spending money to improve/repair infrastructure? I have problems with those cuts

It completely depends. Are cuts needed? Yes. But there are also some projects that need funding.
 
2012-06-05 11:22:47 AM  

madgonad: This has become a problem with taxes, because it has created the massive debt. The Democrats want to tax and spend while the GOP wants to borrow and spend. The compromise is that both types of spending pass, but no taxes are increased to pay for it.


This!
 
2012-06-05 11:23:43 AM  

Tyrano Soros: Superjew: Because preventing the country from going down the drain is exactly the same as preventing the country from succeeding.

So Vote Republican!


Um, tax cuts have proven to be successful methods of increasing revenue.


Right, Mr. Laffler...sure....
 
2012-06-05 11:25:00 AM  

Tyrano Soros: Superjew: Because preventing the country from going down the drain is exactly the same as preventing the country from succeeding.

So Vote Republican!


Um, tax cuts have proven to be successful methods of increasing revenue.


So a 0% across-the-board tax rate should get us Scrooge McDuck-esque piles of cash?

Methinks your statement needs a second thought.
 
2012-06-05 11:26:03 AM  

Tyrano Soros: Superjew: Because preventing the country from going down the drain is exactly the same as preventing the country from succeeding.

So Vote Republican!


Um, tax cuts have proven to be successful methods of increasing revenue.


Indeed! The Bush tax cuts and the Obama tax cuts have just caused an economic boom. Prosperity in America is at heights that have never been reached!!

LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!
 
2012-06-05 11:29:03 AM  

Tyrano Soros: Superjew: Because preventing the country from going down the drain is exactly the same as preventing the country from succeeding.

So Vote Republican!


Um, tax cuts have proven to be successful methods of increasing revenue.


8/10
Simple and elegant.
 
2012-06-05 11:30:14 AM  

FarkedOver: LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!


Dr Dreidel: Methinks your statement needs a second thought.


"Hey, Randal..?"

"..Yeah?"

"Could you check back there for that box of sarcasm meters we couldn't sell last fall? I need two of them."
 
2012-06-05 11:30:34 AM  
Their both only interested in what will get them re-elected. If some compromise helps achieve that, they'll compromise.

So the problem is you. You dogmatic, sound-bite driven, talking-points-spewing special-interest-money textiles.

Both sides are bad, it seems. So yes, vote Republican. It doesn't matter.
 
2012-06-05 11:32:58 AM  
Ya know what I think would be funny, but unfortunately also very detrimental to the country...?

Romney wins the Presidency but Congress goes totally wall to wall super majority DEM!

It won't happen because too many red states are overly represented in the House, but it's fun to ponder.
 
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