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2012-06-05 01:17:22 PM
Deathfrogg: This is a real problem around here. There are hiking trails all over the place that are strictly designated for hiking, and motor vehicles (meaning bikes and quads) are strictly prohibited as they destroy the trails and create ruts that gather water when it rains, which is most of the time. (This creates erosion).

What you have is several people living around the neighborhood riding their dirt bikes along the trails anyway, and several neighbors and I have been going to a lot of trouble to use natural means to eliminate the easy pathways that the bikes can use. Chicanes made of fallen logs, piles of rocks, we've chopped down bridges made of trees that the bikers have cut down to widen the trails and cross streams. The bikers do not learn, and do not care. They clear the trails and cut down trees in the middle of the night. They create new trails around the obstacles. They cut across peoples property and through gardens to get around the obstacles we've put up. There is now serious talk about taking a more direct approach to the problem. Namely, setting up a situation where we can destroy the bikes. We know that we can't hurt people, and this thing with the clothesline or whatever across the trail is out of the question. But whoever is riding illegally needs to have their bikes taken away, and the Sheriff isn't going to do diddley jack squat about the problem.

Dirt bikers are farking assholes. All they do is destroy landscape and they don't give a rats ass about other peoples property.


You know what really annoys me about my area? No legal place to ride a dirt bike, but endless trails for people to walk and ride bicycles. Have you tried to meet with these crazy off-roading rebels? How about allowing them areas where they can ride, and make sure they realize the areas not to ride for other people's safety? Tell them you will take action if they disobey these rules. Sounds like you're just playing a game with them instead of trying to find a real solution. How about you go for a ride on a dirt bike someday, you might just enjoy it.
 
2012-06-05 01:19:26 PM

New Age Redneck: I hike, mountain bike and ride motorcycles. I have hiked trails that have never seen any other users others than foot traffic they by far have more garbage and erosion issues than any motorized trail. The Santa Cruz valley in Peru is a great example you could not get lost because you are following a trail of garbage.
Out of all the users I encounter hikers are far the biggest douchebags followed a close second my the nouveau sport-yuppie mountain bikers.
Bottom line is there is plenty of space for everyone. Funny that where I live all the user groups have for the most part shared the trails and have been more than civil to each other.
Can't just go for a walk without biatching about someone else having fun can you?


funny, i hike all the time in the northeast and there is never any litter. maybe you should stop hiking where the drug cartels grow their weed?

plus lets be smart. hikers can choose to throw garbage. dirt bikes are designed to create noise, air and terrain pollution. there is literally no comparison between a guy walking and someone riding a 2 stroke engine at high speed with spinning wheels when it comes to "who is more disruptive". Only a troll would make that claim
 
2012-06-05 01:21:17 PM

New Age Redneck: Dirt bikes (ridden properly) do less damage than equestrian, cyclists and hikers


What absolute twaddle.
 
2012-06-05 01:24:23 PM

furterfan: A field where he could see them, see they had a short dog lead (typically .5m to 5m lengths), and still buzzed in between them, in such a way that they could clothesline him with the leash.


exactly. there is an awful lot of unexplained stuff which makes me think 'symapthy? Nah!'


I have little sympathy for the dumba$$ motorbiker, but you don't take the law into your own hands.

On another tack, I don't know how important this might be, but in Britain, as in a lot of places in the US, some dog trainers train to a long lead, sometimes up to 15 feet or so. They could have been standing a fair bit apart and a lot of leads, especially expensive leather ones, are barely more than a thin rope making them easy to not see.
 
2012-06-05 01:24:44 PM

Johnnyflash:
You know what really annoys me about my area? No legal place to ride a dirt bike, but endless trails for people to walk and ride bicycles. Have you tried to meet with these crazy off-roading rebels? How about allowing them areas where they can ride, and make sure they realize the areas not to ride for other people's safety? Tell them you will take action if they disobey these rules. Sounds like you're just playing a game with them instead of trying to find a real solution


There are plenty of places to ride in this area. A couple of old rock quarries, plenty of logging roads, State forestry roads etc. The problem isn't about people being legal, its people being ILLEGAL. They know what they are doing. They know damn well that it is against the law.

I and my neighbors don't go out into the forest to make noise and smoke and tear things up. We go out to take pictures, harvest mushrooms and listen to the birds in the trees. Dirt bikers are utterly selfish, they don't dive a damn about the land or the scenery, only riding their machines through it without giving it a moments glance. They are totally self-centered.
 
2012-06-05 01:39:43 PM

Deathfrogg


New Age Redneck:

Trails erode because they are poorly built and constructed. Dirt bikes (ridden properly) do less damage than equestrian, cyclists and hikers. I can show you badly eroded foot paths only recently built and I can take you to trails that have 40 years of motorized use that show little erosion.
Yes there are assholes on dirt bikes there are asshole hikers too. The point is, you're dealing with a small group of people you probably have made no effort to talk to. Instead of pulling this internet tough guy shiat, go talk to these folks. How about the local riding clubs? If there are folks who also ride dirtbikes who don't appreciate what these guys are doing they might be able to help put it to a stop. They are not doing anybodies access any favors.
Making idle threats on the internet that you're going to destroy someones stuff is pathetic, and the fact you would injure or maim someone over something so trivial would suggest you have anger issues.


The local riding clubs have told us to fark off. Literally. Every effort has been made to talk to these idiots, including hiring lawyers and going to the local Legislators and the County Sheriff.

The biking club says it isn't their business because their members don't do this shiat, (which is a lie). The local white trash bikers have ignored the signage, torn it down and vandalized property including tearing down fences and cutting through property. I specifically stated that hurting people not an option, so that is your first lie. Those trails have existed for many decades without damage from people riding horses or walking. It wasn't until the trailer park up the road that used to be a private campground until 25 years ago changed ownership and became a permanent trailer park full of alcoholic, redneck trash people that this became an issue. Tea Party people. The folks that all seem to hate the government and post signs about it in their yards. The Sheriff is out there 20-30 times a week for domestic violence, murders, meth labs, rapes, burglaries, reckless shooting calls and stolen cars being wrecked in peoples yards. The place went from being a rather nice, quiet camping spot to a wrecking yard full of garbage.

We've had people bowled over by bikers on the trails. We've had trails turned into mud pits by these jerks. We've had new trails cut through old growth forest that turn into muddy runoff streams that cut across existing trails. Huge trees have been cut down to create new trails or provide building materials for jumps, bridges and other "fun things to ride on". We spent a week tearing down a set of berms on trails that nobody new existed until the property owner went out on his own little trail that connected to the main set of State trails.

Walkers do not do the damage in ten years that a pair of dirt bikes can do in a single day, so that is your second lie. I know this, because many of the local property owners here are retired forestry, watershed and hiking or climbing experts. Real ones. People with Ph.Ds and masters degrees and decades of experience in their fields. Geologists and Biologists. People who retired out here specifically because it was clean, old-growth deep forest that was still mostly in it's natural state.

The State laws are very specific as to the proper, legal use of the area. Those laws prohibit motor vehicles of any type on these trails. That is an absolute. The Sheriff has 20 deputies for a county that covers 2200 square miles. He's a good man, and sympathetic. He does not have the manpower to have people sitting on the trails waiting for bikers to ticket, which is all that would happen.

So we are exploring ideas on what to do. Destroying peoples motorbikes IS an option.


Seriously, sorry to hear that you live in a nice place that people don't respect. Interesting the political slant to all your insults. Hmmmm.

Your comment that I am not real and that I am lying and don't know what I am talking about is amusing. I have built and laid out world class trails (gimme your e-mail and I will list the projects). I am not a Ph.D. or a biologist but I have years of forestry experience. Our trailbuilding crew has worked with forestry and government people most of whom don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The government guy who oversaw one of our projects was responsible for trail design for the province for 20 years he was THE provincial authority. We were hired to restore an old railway bed and connect the missing trail (fire destroyed the tressles). He laid out the route through the creek at level grade. We got to the first section of trail and I told our boss we can't build what he laid out, it is not the way to cross creeks with trail and that it could actually cause a massive landslide. If the trail was level through the creek water can move along the trail cause the slope to slump into the creek and cause a serious landslide. Any trail or road will descend (favorable) into a creek and climb out (adverse) this makes it impossible for the trail to channel water. So we have the discussion with the forestry guy. He takes it personally gets all pissed off. I give him the names of a forest tech and a road engineer. The next day he apologizes and asks me to lay out the proper crossings. Our company became their prime contractor and continue to get direct award contracts to this day.
Ask some of the experts you know if what I say is correct.

But yeah, violence and vandalism makes sense after all they started it....eye for an eye til were all blind. Solid plan.

You seem to have lots of police resources what are they occupied with doing that they can't investigate vandalism, tresspassing, illegal trailbuilding, and what about the cutting of merchantable timber here in BC you will fry for that alone
 
2012-06-05 01:40:50 PM

Johnnyflash: You know what really annoys me about my area? No legal place to ride a dirt bike, but endless trails for people to walk and ride bicycles. Have you tried to meet with these crazy off-roading rebels?


see, this is the attitude: "its inconvenient to go to a place where i can legally and safely dirt bikes, so i'm just going to blame the local citizens who don't want to deal with it, ride where i want, and then demand they provide me with state land, supported by the tax payer, where i can ride my dirt bike if they complain that i'm breaking the law."

why don't you buy some land and do your dirtbiking there, rather than blame everyone else for not accomodating your hobby?
 
2012-06-05 01:41:20 PM

Deathfrogg: It wasn't until the trailer park up the road that used to be a private campground until 25 years ago changed ownership and became a permanent trailer park full of alcoholic, redneck trash people that this became an issue. Tea Party people.


I was sympathetic until the obligatory tea party reference. Enjoy your summer, self-fellating hipster douchebag.
 
2012-06-05 01:42:14 PM
Deathfrogg: Johnnyflash:
You know what really annoys me about my area? No legal place to ride a dirt bike, but endless trails for people to walk and ride bicycles. Have you tried to meet with these crazy off-roading rebels? How about allowing them areas where they can ride, and make sure they realize the areas not to ride for other people's safety? Tell them you will take action if they disobey these rules. Sounds like you're just playing a game with them instead of trying to find a real solution

There are plenty of places to ride in this area. A couple of old rock quarries, plenty of logging roads, State forestry roads etc. The problem isn't about people being legal, its people being ILLEGAL. They know what they are doing. They know damn well that it is against the law.


white trash bikers - trailer park up the road - full of alcoholic, redneck trash people - I'm starting to get the picture. domestic violence, murders, meth labs, rapes, burglaries, reckless shooting calls and stolen cars being wrecked in peoples yards - Dear lord, how big is this area?

I will tell you from experience, most off-roaders are pretty cool and I've never had a problem with them. I could go up to any of them and have a conversation, but I have no experience in what your dealing with, but I believe there are plenty of trailer parks with complete trash people who don't deserve to live. So if what you said was the case, and these are not normal people but white trash morons who do what they want even when they know they are hurting others, I'd absolutely destroy the bikes and burn the trailers down to the ground. I'd spend every moment coming up with creative ways to destroy thier lives.
 
2012-06-05 01:55:01 PM
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2012-06-05 01:57:39 PM
Deathfrogg

Johnnyflash:
You know what really annoys me about my area? No legal place to ride a dirt bike, but endless trails for people to walk and ride bicycles. Have you tried to meet with these crazy off-roading rebels? How about allowing them areas where they can ride, and make sure they realize the areas not to ride for other people's safety? Tell them you will take action if they disobey these rules. Sounds like you're just playing a game with them instead of trying to find a real solution

There are plenty of places to ride in this area. A couple of old rock quarries, plenty of logging roads, State forestry roads etc. The problem isn't about people being legal, its people being ILLEGAL. They know what they are doing. They know damn well that it is against the law.

I and my neighbors don't go out into the forest to make noise and smoke and tear things up. We go out to take pictures, harvest mushrooms and listen to the birds in the trees. Dirt bikers are utterly selfish, they don't dive a damn about the land or the scenery, only riding their machines through it without giving it a moments glance. They are totally self-centered.

Really? Now I know I am dealing with a troll.

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Yeah, because I have ridden a dirtbike I hate nature. That's f*king precious.
 
2012-06-05 02:03:55 PM

New Age Redneck: You seem to have lots of police resources what are they occupied with doing that they can't investigate vandalism, tresspassing, illegal trailbuilding, and what about the cutting of merchantable timber here in BC you will fry for that alone


Well, here in the United States, a timber company can bid on felling 1000 acre plots and cut 10,000 acres and nobody gives a damn about the stolen timber. Well, nobody but us "tree hugging hippies".

Illegal trailbuilding is of less concern than the meth lab toxic waste dumps that are appearing in this same area. Some of the neighbors found one just a few weeks ago. I don't know whats in it, but what they found was a hole about five feet across and maybe 3 feet deep in the middle, soaked in something that you can smell from 50 feet away. The Sheriff had a hazmat team come out and spend a couple of days taking samples and that was it. No word yet on any cleanup effort. The guy who found it said that it's probably been there for months and had hundreds of gallons of god knows what dumped into it.
The dirtbike trails go right through that area and then lead off back to that trailer trash "Campers Paradise".
 
2012-06-05 02:04:06 PM
Pert

New Age Redneck: Dirt bikes (ridden properly) do less damage than equestrian, cyclists and hikers

What absolute twaddle.


So says the guy in moms basement. I can provide picture and video proof, you? Fling sh*t? Intelligent conversation?

/personal experience is a strange thing here....I actually have been there and done that.... most farkers...not so much
 
2012-06-05 02:15:08 PM

New Age Redneck: Deathfrogg

Johnnyflash:
You know what really annoys me about my area? No legal place to ride a dirt bike, but endless trails for people to walk and ride bicycles. Have you tried to meet with these crazy off-roading rebels? How about allowing them areas where they can ride, and make sure they realize the areas not to ride for other people's safety? Tell them you will take action if they disobey these rules. Sounds like you're just playing a game with them instead of trying to find a real solution

There are plenty of places to ride in this area. A couple of old rock quarries, plenty of logging roads, State forestry roads etc. The problem isn't about people being legal, its people being ILLEGAL. They know what they are doing. They know damn well that it is against the law.

I and my neighbors don't go out into the forest to make noise and smoke and tear things up. We go out to take pictures, harvest mushrooms and listen to the birds in the trees. Dirt bikers are utterly selfish, they don't dive a damn about the land or the scenery, only riding their machines through it without giving it a moments glance. They are totally self-centered.

Really? Now I know I am dealing with a troll.

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Yeah, because I have ridden a dirtbike I hate nature. That's f*king precious.


Yep, and if those flowers were in a spot you wanted to ride through, you'd ride over them without a second thought. If that big Cedar was in the way, you'd ride right around it and dig up the roots without a second thought or even looking at it except to be irritated at it's interference with your riding pleasure. That bear would run into the brush before you got within a quarter mile of it because of the noise your machines make. Meanwhile, the guy trying to photograph it gets to listen to that noise and smell the Castrol pumping out of your exhaust pipe.

And yes, the people in the area I mentioned ARE Tea Party people. They all have the bumper-stickers, the yard signs and the confederate flags. I can drive through that neighborhood and see hundreds of examples. The local road association has seen nothing but trouble from that place. They want the roads graded, but they won't pay their share to do so.
 
2012-06-05 02:20:08 PM
Deathfrogg



Well, here in the United States, a timber company can bid on felling 1000 acre plots and cut 10,000 acres and nobody gives a damn about the stolen timber. Well, nobody but us "tree hugging hippies".


Is this on private land or federal land? Since these huge companies only care about money they aren't concerned about losing valuable timber? Seems odd.

Here in BC we have a Licensee Agreement on Crown Land. That means a company can harvest an area but has to replant and have a management plan in place until the ground is "free to grow". The Licensee is liable for the area until that time. Most of our licensee's are large American corporations and would be far more concerned than the government about poaching timber. Our forest practices have greatly improved over the last 30 years too bad you guys want to live in the past. Mind you pretty much most of the wood cut in Canada is consumed in the states, travel around BC sometime and you'll see what your greed for resources does to other countries. Fort Mac anyone?
I love being out in the old timber and can show you some of the most magnificent old forest. That is before it becomes subdivisions and McMansions down south...thanks f*ckers...you could at least pays us for it.....
 
2012-06-05 02:22:08 PM
If any one is curious about what causes the most erosion, point the finger at horseback riders.

As for the others, if you are really curious (or furious), you can read this: Erosional Impact of Hikers, Horses, Motorcycles, and Off-Road Bicycles on Mountain Trails in Montana (Caution, PDF).
 
2012-06-05 02:28:41 PM

New Age Redneck: So says the guy in moms basement. I can provide picture and video proof, you? Fling sh*t? Intelligent conversation?

/personal experience is a strange thing here....I actually have been there and done that.... most farkers...not so much


Hey, I don't doubt that you get out there and do things, I just find it extraordinary that you can, with a straight face, claim that someone on a motorbike does less damage than someone on foot.

Of course you could wriggle out of this by saying that there are generally very few bikers compared with large numbers of hikers and therefore the total damage is less, but that's hardly the point is it?

I've hiked in Peru, Australia and the UK. I spend most weekends walking in the woods/hills near my house with my family and I go out on my mountain bike regularly (although I only ride motorbikes on the road due to the lack of access for off-road biking in my area). Of course I'll concede that a mountain bike (or lots of them) will cause far more damage to the trails near me than footfall, but the idea that a motorised vehicle driven at speed is going to cause less damage then a hiker's boot is, as I say, absolute twaddle. Your defence that hikers damage trails because they leave litter is just nonsense - that's not the hiking that's damaging the trail, that's assholes leaving litter. Even the best dirt biker riding in the most considerate manner is going to cause damage except in extreme circumstance (ultra-hard, dry rocky trails).

Nice that you assume I'm in my mum's basement, incidentally, rather than sitting in my office in the garden of my home prepping for a post-grad exam tomorrow (which is what I am actually doing).
 
2012-06-05 02:30:28 PM
Deathfrogg

I TOOK THOSE PICTURES!!!!!

The flowers are trillium (ovatum) and harebells (campanula lasiocarpa). The cedar is near some property I tried to buy a few years ago.
The grizzly was at Sask river crossing after we got stormed off a ski mountaineering attempt on Mount Columbia.

You're the nature expert you should be telling me what those flowers are. I know the edible and medicinal plants in my area, I can identify the rocks, the trees, the flora and fauna.....
you should go out side and stay there until you can too.
 
2012-06-05 02:42:58 PM

New Age Redneck: Deathfrogg

I TOOK THOSE PICTURES!!!!!

The flowers are trillium (ovatum) and harebells (campanula lasiocarpa). The cedar is near some property I tried to buy a few years ago.
The grizzly was at Sask river crossing after we got stormed off a ski mountaineering attempt on Mount Columbia.

You're the nature expert you should be telling me what those flowers are. I know the edible and medicinal plants in my area, I can identify the rocks, the trees, the flora and fauna.....
you should go out side and stay there until you can too.


And how any of those flowers did you ride over to take those pictures?
 
2012-06-05 02:46:03 PM

Deathfrogg


Dude, it's a battle of the wits here and you're unarmed.

I will give you marks for the trolling effort, but really you should go out side.
 
2012-06-05 02:55:10 PM

Pert: He had just been taken on by a jobs agency and said he was desperate to get back to work to support his one-year-old daughter, Remme-Mae, and her mother, Jordane, 21.

I see that the UK is trying to keep up with its big brother the US when it comes to very silly names.


Welcome to the wonderful world of chav names.
 
2012-06-05 03:00:51 PM
Pert

Cool. You have traveled and observed.

I have built and designed trails for biking and walking. I have done so for over 20 years. I have seen the effects of use over that time. I ride mountain bike. I hike. I ride dirt bike.

Walkers tend to wander from trails thus trampling vegitation etc. They tend to cut switchbacks causing erosion issues. They will avoid puddles thus widening the tread of the trail making for a larger mud hole.
I am embarrassed by the behavior of mountain bikers, they ruin trails.
One of the oldest established trails in the area (over 40 years old) is a dirt bike built and ridden trail. It is loamy dirt and shows the least erosion issues out of any local trail.

Dirt bikes have incredible traction and super supple suspension, you can ride up stuff without tearing it to shiat. They also have better traction descending than any other thing on the trail. They are also capable of doing mega damage.

Which brings us to the most crucial variable: the individual.
 
2012-06-05 05:07:45 PM

Deathfrogg: So we are exploring ideas on what to do. Destroying peoples motorbikes IS an option.


Would caltrops work?
 
2012-06-05 05:23:49 PM

New Age Redneck: Dirt bikes have incredible traction and super supple suspension, you can ride up stuff without tearing it to shiat. They also have better traction descending than any other thing on the trail. They are also capable of doing mega damage.


problem with that is that most of the dirt bikers i know who currently ride and the dirt bikes i've ridden are nothing like that. They're old, cheap 2 stroke 250 cc beaters that are designed to max speed and maneuverability on a dirt track. Which is fantastic if you have dedicated tracks (like where i grew up and where i live now) but they will rip up the ground. they have to have special seperate trails built for motorized vehicles to keep them from destroying the hiking trails. Maybe off road motorsports are different in canada than they are in the states, but what you describe does not exist down here. what you're describing sounds like a 4-wheeler here, which disabled people use to get out in the woods.

/a dirt bike with a "supple suspension"? seriously? you should link an example of what you're talking about, because suspension is not really a selling point of a dirt bike in the states
 
2012-06-05 05:48:01 PM
tlchwi02

New Age Redneck: Dirt bikes have incredible traction and super supple suspension, you can ride up stuff without tearing it to shiat. They also have better traction descending than any other thing on the trail. They are also capable of doing mega damage.

problem with that is that most of the dirt bikers i know who currently ride and the dirt bikes i've ridden are nothing like that. They're old, cheap 2 stroke 250 cc beaters that are designed to max speed and maneuverability on a dirt track. Which is fantastic if you have dedicated tracks (like where i grew up and where i live now) but they will rip up the ground. they have to have special seperate trails built for motorized vehicles to keep them from destroying the hiking trails. Maybe off road motorsports are different in canada than they are in the states, but what you describe does not exist down here. what you're describing sounds like a 4-wheeler here, which disabled people use to get out in the woods.

/a dirt bike with a "supple suspension"? seriously? you should link an example of what you're talking about, because suspension is not really a selling point of a dirt bike in the states


I am talking about cross country riding and trail riding like on single track hiking and biking trails but on trails by and for motorcycles. Check out a good woods racing bike google a (KTM EXC 200) it's a 200 cc woods bike. Track bikes are geared different, lack a light and aren't very comfy on a 50k ride!
Suspension is absolutely the most critical thing on a moto whether it be track or woods! What are you going on about?!? Yes we have dirt tracks for dedicated racing. We also have guys building awesome single track cross country riding over all kinds of mountain terrain. These trails show substantially less wear and erosion than any of our local hiking trails or biking trails. I'll go get you photos if you like!
Read my posts up above. I've built hiking and riding trails professionally and have first hand information on how they react to traffic in various forms. There is a PDF posted above that lends scientific agreement to every point I have made.
 
2012-06-05 05:49:07 PM
trails built by and for motorcycles

/D'Oh!
 
2012-06-05 06:26:23 PM

New Age Redneck: am talking about cross country riding and trail riding like on single track hiking and biking trails but on trails by and for motorcycles. Check out a good woods racing bike google a (KTM EXC 200) it's a 200 cc woods bike. Track bikes are geared different, lack a light and aren't very comfy on a 50k ride!


that's an enduro bike, its designed for off AND on road, so i think we're talking about different things (hence my point.) I'm talking about off road only dirt bikes, that are only designed for riding on trails (like say a CR250 or the ilk.) If you can put a plate on it and ride it legally on road, thats not the type of bike we're discussing with disdain. Heck, your definition would include a BMW R1200 GS! The people we're talking about are riding bikes like the CR250, buzzing along a trail set up for hiking on foot (not in the mountains either) at 30 MPH, pulling air and cutting sharp corners.

Riding a dual-use machine on logging roads and trails designed for enduro style treking is a far cry from buzzing at 30 on a path designed and restricted for families, dog walkers and normal people. So i'm not sure why you're so strongly defending someone being allowed to do that, even though its illegal, incredibly rude and usually only results in angry residents banning ALL dirt biking because they associate all of it with jerks harassing people.
 
2012-06-05 06:46:57 PM
Link Click first question.

It's a woods racing bike. It is a 2-stroke that is NOT DOT street legal. It is not an enduro an enduro is, as an example, a Yamaha XT-250, it is street legal and OK off road.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_scramble

/paste that and read it, You don't have those races in the States? Really? Are you sure?
 
2012-06-05 06:59:05 PM
tlchwi02

So i'm not sure why you're so strongly defending someone being allowed to do that, even though its illegal, incredibly rude and usually only results in angry residents banning ALL dirt biking because they associate all of it with jerks harassing people.

I don't and wouldn't ever defend that behavior. You cannot provide a quote from anything I say that says that.

I am talking about soil erosion and the effects of trail use by different users. Peruse that PDF. Learn something.

If you had actually read anything I've posted you would have read where I covered such behavior being bad for all of our access, I hike and ride a bike as well.

What is with the trolling here? Is your little world view that black and white? Am I dealing with anyone here that actually goes outside?
 
2012-06-05 07:15:26 PM
FTFA he says: "They could have called the police and they would have moved us on"

In other words he knew he was doing the wrong thing, but didn't care. Or is is only wrong if you get caught?

What next? "I was robbing the bank but the bystander tackled me and broke my arm, that was so uncalled for."

No, I don't think there is a free pass to be unduly violent to people who do the wrong thing, but you certainly don't get any sympathy if you are being a completely selfish douche in the first place.
 
2012-06-05 07:19:08 PM

Dimensio: Deathfrogg: So we are exploring ideas on what to do. Destroying peoples motorbikes IS an option.

Would caltrops work?


Heh, one of the ideas thats been floated is spike strips like the cops use. But the problem is we don't want anyone to get hurt. The trails are for hikers and there are a few locals that ride their horses through, which has its own set of problems but it is legal and I personally have no issue with that. They do some damage but it isn't nearly what the bikes do, not even comparable. And the riders don't go tearassing through the meadows at 50 mph or chainsawing the peckerpole trees out to widen trails.

It's been a couple of years of on and off discussion at BBQs and such. Really the only viable option that anyone could see working is to catch someone in the act, get them off their bike and sawzall the biatch in half through the frame. My idea was nixed as soon as I suggested it, which was to get them off the bike and put a couple .30 caliber rounds through the engine and make them walk home. The neighbors don't like the idea of me carrying my M14 through the area though even though I've walked through the place with my 7mm to go up the hill for deer during the season. I've shot four deer in the last 10 years within 4 or so miles of my house. It's all State land outside the neighborhood except for the trailer park. The State and the County just don't have the enforcement resources. It's bad enough for them to be dealing with the mobile meth labs and the tweaker yahoos swiping 400 year old cedar trees.
 
2012-06-05 11:21:30 PM
Zombie Luncheon Brain in handy 1pack!
 
2012-06-05 11:39:04 PM
Deathfrogg

Stake out until you hear them go riding.
*anonymous phone call to 911*
"I just saw some bikers tear ass up the trail. They were firing guns while riding and they looked drunk."
*leave the area*

/Use a burner cell or a pay phone.
 
2012-06-06 04:55:27 AM

New Age Redneck: Am I dealing with anyone here that actually goes outside?


yes.

The UK is a small place. This kind of idiot is all too prevalent.

Having said that, I retract my 'you suck' and 'ITG' comments. You quite obviously don't. I just hope that you, as a MC guy, would always pull aside dickheads like this (that give your sort a bad rep) and give them a little 'talking to'.

Maybe it's the aquavit talking (it's sweden's national day, so I'm utterly wankered), but you're starting to grow on me... in fact Blue2 is now your colour on my favourite list. With the title "responsible MC dickhead"
 
2012-06-06 06:34:22 PM
uttertosh

"responsible MC dickhead"

Really? I ignored your post because it was so inane (-8/10 troll effort) it simply didn't dignify a response. This is a better effort. I'll bite.

You didn't read anything I posted. I am discussing soil erosion and the fact that responsible motorsports enthusiasts exist, they respect their environment as much if not more than most people. The dude in the article is an asshole, if I had done this to me, my first approach would still be verbal and friendly, if he threatened me or was rude well I may choose to be not so nice. Attempting to decapitate him? No. Straight up choke hold call cops? OK. The folks Deathfrog describes, also assholes.
The fact people post here calling everyone who rides a dirtbike an asshole is testimony to how f*cking pathetic the internet makes people. Your world is black and white, the "real" one is a million shades of grey, you should go out and experience it.

I realize this is fark and that personal experience tends to baffle folks whose only life experience is via the internet. I post on climbing, forestry, backcountry skiing, trail building, hiking, photography, mountain biking threads. This is what I do, I actually participate in these activities. Thus I can relate my actual experiences that form my seemingly strong opinions.
You feel threatened by this for some reason and call me a "internet tough guy" (you're projecting!). You can't dissect my argument (or understand it ) so you project something like
"you support these types" which I will go back and take direct quotes from my posts that I don't.
Do you want to discuss the topics? Do you have anything to contribute that isn't just childish name calling? I think not.

I've got you tagged:
Level 1-Troll
Level 3- ITG

If you ever decide to behave like an intelligent human being and wish to converse in a manner like adults do, I wont continue to ignore you.
 
2012-06-07 08:21:16 AM

New Age Redneck: uttertosh

"responsible MC dickhead"

Really? I ignored your post because it was so inane (-8/10 troll effort) it simply didn't dignify a response. This is a better effort. I'll bite.

You didn't read anything I posted. I am discussing soil erosion and the fact that responsible motorsports enthusiasts exist, they respect their environment as much if not more than most people. The dude in the article is an asshole, if I had done this to me, my first approach would still be verbal and friendly, if he threatened me or was rude well I may choose to be not so nice. Attempting to decapitate him? No. Straight up choke hold call cops? OK. The folks Deathfrog describes, also assholes.
The fact people post here calling everyone who rides a dirtbike an asshole is testimony to how f*cking pathetic the internet makes people. Your world is black and white, the "real" one is a million shades of grey, you should go out and experience it.

I realize this is fark and that personal experience tends to baffle folks whose only life experience is via the internet. I post on climbing, forestry, backcountry skiing, trail building, hiking, photography, mountain biking threads. This is what I do, I actually participate in these activities. Thus I can relate my actual experiences that form my seemingly strong opinions.
You feel threatened by this for some reason and call me a "internet tough guy" (you're projecting!). You can't dissect my argument (or understand it ) so you project something like
"you support these types" which I will go back and take direct quotes from my posts that I don't.
Do you want to discuss the topics? Do you have anything to contribute that isn't just childish name calling? I think not.

I've got you tagged:
Level 1-Troll
Level 3- ITG

If you ever decide to behave like an intelligent human being and wish to converse in a manner like adults do, I wont continue to ignore you.


fine, dickhead part removed, too. I also took back other stuff.

New Age Redneck: Trails erode because they are poorly built and constructed. Dirt bikes (ridden properly) do less damage than equestrian, cyclists and hikers


I've encountered so few of these riding illegally on uninsured dirtbikes on public rural/forest foot paths, that I felt that it was a moot point. Just like bringing up that gun owners are all safety nuts that do more good than bad, in a thread about some kid bringing a loaded hand gun to a shopping mall and squeezing off a couple of rounds just for S'n'G's.

Just to clarify: I actually am mostly outdoors in my free time. Walking, with a view to photographing wildlife.(which really doesn't stick about for long at the sound of a 125cc engine being maxed out)

New Age Redneck: Can't just go for a walk without biatching about someone else having fun can you?


So.. I'm the ITG? You claim not to support these kind of MC'ers, yet you make it out that they are just having a little fun. Yeah, it's teh kewel to endanger someone else's life. Brilliant. That's just dandy. I'll be sure to wear that badge with pride. Me photographer, you defend idiot life endangerer, me should be locked up.

New Age Redneck: But yeah, violence and vandalism makes sense after all they started it....eye for an eye til were all blind. Solid plan.


That was some great sarcasm :-)

That said, in your early postings, really do come across as defending the position of the guy in TFA, just really tenuously by knee-jerk, like you're used to defending off-road MC'ing as part of daily life. Which you quite patently are.

Having read everything you have posted, My image of you has changed - something I drunkenly attempted to convey yesterday with failtastic results. My apologies.

I really do wish I could meet people with your mentality more often - and that people like you could come out hiking on the footpaths I trail, just to get your perspective across to these wee gobshytes, only to be spat on, threatened, pushed about, have your equipment damaged/stolen etc... And not because you're a pussy, either.

Oh, and, I'm no ITG. I'm a RLTG. I've had to step up in defense. I've got the scars, x-rays and visibly broken bones to prove that claim.

/wishes you and your kind the best of riding.
 
2012-06-07 05:32:44 PM
<b> uttertosh </b>

Cool. See this is much better dialogue.

Interesting that you've pegged me as a motorcyclist. Predominantly my time is spent mountain biking 75%, walking 20% anything with a motor 5%. Most of my motorcycling was done to photograph wildlife, do maintenance on bike trails I built, collect edible and medicinal plants, pick huckleberries and the occasional rip on single track (legal authorized trails only).
I interact with people of all kinds of backgrounds and many of my friends ride snowmobiles or dirt bikes. Most are responsible cool folks that are just out to enjoy nature. They are constantly dealing with people stereotyping them as destructive etc. Yes, every microcosm of society has assholes, motorsports are no different.
That said, the worst behavior I have witnessed has been hikers and mountain bikers. Some of the recent arrivals to the area I live have no idea of the tenuous nature of our access to trails. We have had mountain bikers lose their shiat on some guy riding a quad, screaming that they are ruining the planet and they are a f*cking stupid redneck, blah blah. The person on the quad then explains that he OWNS the land they are trespassing on, and happily provided access and let us build and ride trails there for the last 20 years. He then cuts off ALL access because of two sanctimonious douche bags. Thus all user groups lose access. One of my friends rides horses and loves her four wheeler, she has been accosted on several occasions by hikers and cyclists on her own property. She has a good sense of humor about it and generally explains that she will make it known that she can stop access at any time. She gets quick apologies generally.

My point: There is plenty of space for everybody. All users, whether it be cyclists, hikers, motorsports enthusiasts, horse riders, etc. should be able to share the trails and get along.
If we all band together we are a powerful lobby for access, if we all behave we will always have it and gain more.

It is all pretty simple: greet strangers with a smile, leave no trace, clean the mud off your boots when you come back in the house.

/the most ironic part of this is I am the biggest proponent of human powered recreation, I am proud of the fact that I have over the last 20 years have left motorized assistance out of the equation when I go skiing, riding, climbing.....

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/iv8z.jpg/
 
2012-06-07 05:39:35 PM
HTML failure above.

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This is my favorite self portrait. 600km into a 750km tour. Yes that is a downhill mountain bike with slicks. Many other bike touring folks I ran into thought I was a freak. They are correct.
 
2012-06-08 03:42:48 AM

New Age Redneck: HTML failure above.

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This is my favorite self portrait. 600km into a 750km tour. Yes that is a downhill mountain bike with slicks. Many other bike touring folks I ran into thought I was a freak. They are correct.


Yeh, you realize you now need to change my 'favourite' tag to "Envies My Lifestyle" and Colour me: jealous.

That's one helluva self portrait! :-) Sorry about my knee-jerk reaction to your knee jerking at something that someone else knee-jerked into the thread. Touchy subject, I guess ;p

/really does need a breathalyser instead of a fingerprint reader on his laptop.
//many positive wishes for the successful continuation of your outdoor experiences, bro!
 
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