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2012-06-05 08:53:51 AM
I disagree about Donnie Darko. The original didn't make sense unless you went to the website, which explained the backstory.
 
2012-06-05 08:54:09 AM
I was kind of ticked off by The Warriors, I bought the Director's Cut by mistake and it sucks
 
2012-06-05 08:59:05 AM
Aliens? Really...? Aliens...?
 
2012-06-05 08:59:36 AM
He's wrong about The Abyss. It fills in the blanks so much better on why things end the way they do for the Deep Core screw, and what's going on in the rest of the world as it's happening underwater.
 
2012-06-05 09:12:16 AM
Does subby know they reversed the links, or is this some sort of troll?
 
2012-06-05 09:12:18 AM

jermadem: Aliens? Really...? Aliens...?


yeah, its just a waste of time the extra scenes. the other cut is the best one. i have the directors cut and regreted buying it.
 
2012-06-05 09:13:09 AM
Oh wait, no they did not. My bad.
 
2012-06-05 09:13:48 AM
Michael Clarke Duncan was perfect for Kingpin in Daredevil, I don't care what anyone says. So what if he's black? I can't name anyone who had the size, look, or feel aside from him. The Warriors change to be more comic-esque really takes you out of the film, same as when Ang Lee did it with Hulk.

/Mallrats had a terrible Director's Cut
 
2012-06-05 09:14:36 AM

jermadem: Aliens? Really...? Aliens...?


Part of the Director's Cut is awesome (the gun turrets), and part does kind of take away from it (the Newt scene).

I wouldn't regret owning the DC, but on the whole, I think the theatrical cut is better.
 
2012-06-05 09:17:41 AM
Han shot first.
 
2012-06-05 09:26:05 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: jermadem: Aliens? Really...? Aliens...?

Part of the Director's Cut is awesome (the gun turrets), and part does kind of take away from it (the Newt scene).

I wouldn't regret owning the DC, but on the whole, I think the theatrical cut is better.


Interesting...
Well, to each their own, I guess. Personally, the director's cut is what makes it one of my favorite movies. The whole Ripley-has-a-daughter angle adds a lot more meaning to her relationship with Newt. In the theatrical cut, Newt is basically just the cat from the first movie. In the DC, it's like she's symbolic of the life the aliens stole from Ripley.

And yeah, the gun turrets are cool too... :)
 
2012-06-05 09:28:11 AM
So glad Donnie Darko was on the list. They farked up the sound track on the directors cut which was one of the best things about the movie. Also, it ruined a lot of the "Donnie is a comic book hero" imagery that was great in the original.
 
2012-06-05 09:29:07 AM
It also turned Spielberg into a poster-child example of directors who can't stop interfering with their own past work, and second-guessing their old insticts.

How did modifying one movie and coming to regret it make Spielberg into a poster-child?
 
2012-06-05 09:29:26 AM

jermadem:

And yeah, the gun turrets are cool too... :)


They also establish why the aliens sneak into the complex through the ceiling instead of just using the doors.

It's what whole pointless colony scene at the beginning that's got to go.
 
2012-06-05 09:38:26 AM

jermadem: Aliens? Really...? Aliens...?


Yeah. The extra scenes are pretty redundant. Such as the scene at the colony which just goes through company policy which is covered throughout the film ad nauseum. I think there's also more mystery not knowing what the colony was like before it became a ghost town. Then the scene finding out the Ripley is a mother and her daughter is dead. Again, knowing this doesn't really change anything about why Ripley becomes a surrogate mother for Newt. It's pretty clear how empty her life is and the closest thing she has to family is the cat. In fact, I think it's a lot more interesting if she's thrust into having to be a mother during a crisis situation without ever having been one. Then there are small inserts that really add nothing except extra minutes, such as chasing the false signal when they arrive at the colony and the machine guns in the tunnel. Finally, the moment between Ripley and Hicks where they exchange first names -- again, redundant. It was pretty clear that some kind of relationship was developing between them.
 
2012-06-05 09:38:33 AM

lemurs: jermadem:

And yeah, the gun turrets are cool too... :)

They also establish why the aliens sneak into the complex through the ceiling instead of just using the doors.

It's what whole pointless colony scene at the beginning that's got to go.


I don't see it that way. It's not pointless. The movie is a bit faster paced without it, of course, but it certainly doesn't detract anything, and it adds a few small valuable additions to the film. Of course, if you are the kind that just fast-forwards to the action sequences, I could see how it would be annoying.
 
2012-06-05 09:39:15 AM

jermadem: The whole Ripley-has-a-daughter angle adds a lot more meaning to her relationship with Newt. In the theatrical cut, Newt is basically just the cat from the first movie. In the DC, it's like she's symbolic of the life the aliens stole from Ripley.


Except maternal instinct is pretty much expected. It doesn't need a back story.
 
2012-06-05 09:42:36 AM
Stopped reading after he went after Daredevil.
Affleck is perfect for the role and even looked liked Murdock about the same as RDjr looks like Stark.
Hating on Daredevil is fanboy rage and shows the writer isn't knowledgable, he's just some idiot with a favorable internet opinion.
DD isn't the greatest film ever made, but the directors cut makes it a very well done movie.
 
2012-06-05 09:43:28 AM

jermadem: Interesting...
Well, to each their own, I guess. Personally, the director's cut is what makes it one of my favorite movies. The whole Ripley-has-a-daughter angle adds a lot more meaning to her relationship with Newt. In the theatrical cut, Newt is basically just the cat from the first movie. In the DC, it's like she's symbolic of the life the aliens stole from Ripley.

And yeah, the gun turrets are cool too... :)


I thought that the theatrical cut solidly established that Newt was representative of Ripley's daughter, who died while she was in stasis.

Having seen the theatrical version first, I think I can appreciate the Director's Cut because it wasn't my first exposure. I liked the fact that in the theatrical version, you saw absolutely nothing of LV-426 prior to the Marines landing. I liked that your first exposure to LV-426 was as this desolate place that had had its ass kicked. Mileages vary, of course.

I have nothing against the director's cut, but I'm happy I saw the theatrical cut first.
 
2012-06-05 09:45:15 AM
One of the things I always wondered about Aliens. Obviously Ripley was having very traumatic nightmares about the alien after she was rescued and returned to civilization. Was she having the same nightmares while she was in stasis on the escape pod? Did she have to endure 50 straight years of that torture while she slept?

The stuff about the new colony being overrun? Well, we all knew what Aliens was going to be about. It wasn't surprising to know that there were lots of dead people and lots of bugs out there.
 
2012-06-05 09:47:55 AM
Aliens DC kicked much ass....

They missed 'Legend'....that soundtrack...uuhhgg...
 
2012-06-05 09:49:02 AM

Zombie DJ: Stopped reading after he went after Daredevil.
Affleck is perfect for the role and even looked liked Murdock about the same as RDjr looks like Stark.
Hating on Daredevil is fanboy rage and shows the writer isn't knowledgable, he's just some idiot with a favorable internet opinion.
DD isn't the greatest film ever made, but the directors cut makes it a very well done movie.


Completely agreed. I loved the director's cut much more than the theatrical. Plus, I loved Affleck's Daredevil. He was brilliantly cast. It was the writing and directing that was the weakest part of the movie. I think people just love to hate on Affleck.
 
2012-06-05 09:50:06 AM

GavinTheAlmighty:
Having seen the theatrical version first, I think I can appreciate the Director's Cut because it wasn't my first exposure. I liked the fact that in the theatrical version, you saw absolutely nothing of LV-426 prior to the Marines landing. I liked that your first exposure to LV-426 was as this desolate place that had had its ass kicked. Mileages vary, of course.


I liked being able to imagine how the colony was prior to the alien takeover rather than actually seeing it. The scenes there don't establish anything we don't find out later, and just serve to spoil some of the mystery.
 
2012-06-05 09:52:15 AM
I'm going to come off as a troll, but I'm serious. Blade Runner is a thousand times better as the theatrical cut. That directors cut nonsense is borderline awful.
Also, the Blues Brothers directors cut. They just left in the full songs. And that sounds great, but it means the movie just drags ON and ONNN.

/Everyone can get out your pitchforks now.
 
2012-06-05 09:54:28 AM
What, no mention of "Chronicles of Riddick"? That has to be the worst Director's Cut evar. I seriously am glad I watched it before I bought it, so I knew to avoid that hunk of steaming crap.

Darko... don't know what to say about that one, as I never saw the original, and I have the DC version. Anyone care to elaborate some spoilers as to why the DC isn't better?

Never knew there was a DC of "Aliens", so I'm glad to know I should avoid it.

But "The Abyss"? Really?? the theatrical edit was barely understandable, weak, lame, et cetera. The DC made that movie watchable and likable.
/"Here she comes: Queen biatch of the Universe!"
 
2012-06-05 09:57:23 AM

seniorgato: I'm going to come off as a troll, but I'm serious. Blade Runner is a thousand times better as the theatrical cut. That directors cut nonsense is borderline awful.
Also, the Blues Brothers directors cut. They just left in the full songs. And that sounds great, but it means the movie just drags ON and ONNN.

/Everyone can get out your pitchforks now.


Blues Bros: yes, it drags on, but the music made the movie, and so many of those artists are gone now, that I'm willing to suffer through it. "Blade Runner" has four cuts, so please tell me you aren't referring to the "voice over" version, because that was pure drivel.

Oh, I forgot to mention one earlier: Dune. The DC of Dune is a masterpiece, even if it does ruin the story from the book; the theatrical edit of that movie is an atrocity.
 
2012-06-05 09:59:39 AM

thespindrifter: What, no mention of "Chronicles of Riddick"? That has to be the worst Director's Cut evar. I seriously am glad I watched it before I bought it, so I knew to avoid that hunk of steaming crap.

Darko... don't know what to say about that one, as I never saw the original, and I have the DC version. Anyone care to elaborate some spoilers as to why the DC isn't better?


The Director's cut removes a lot of the ambiguity present in the original release. In the theatrical cut you could follow the plot but you were never 100% sure what was going on giving the film a really eerie feel not present int he DC. Adding "The Philosophy of Time Travel" makes the whole thing seem like a lost cause there is never any doubt how it will end for Donnie.

And they really ruined the sound track in the DC. The music in the original sets the tone 100 times better.
 
2012-06-05 10:04:15 AM

Carth: In the theatrical cut you could follow the plot but you were never 100% sure what was going on giving the film a really eerie feel not present int he DC


Hell, I'm still not really sure what is going on in that film, regardless. I always considered that one of the charms.

Carth: And they really ruined the sound track in the DC. The music in the original sets the tone 100 times better.


Hmmm. In that case, I guess I need to queue up the original in Netflix now. Thanks for the review.
 
2012-06-05 10:05:03 AM

thespindrifter: Never knew there was a DC of "Aliens", so I'm glad to know I should avoid it.


The only real problem most people have with the DC of Aliens are the scenes involving the colonists before the Marines arrive. You can fast forward past those if you like, but I actually like them.
 
2012-06-05 10:11:56 AM

thornhill: and the machine guns in the tunnel.


I think I'm the only one who really enjoys that addition to the movie.

In my opinion, it helps build tension. They barricade themselves in thinking that the sentry guns are going to help take care of any aliens and maybe, just maybe they could escape or last the 17 days until they send a search for them.

But then they have to stand there and watch their sentry guns get emptied in a matter of minutes, heightening their fear that the aliens are un-f*cking-stoppable.

I think it adds a lot.

But then again, I'm a pretty big fan.
 
2012-06-05 10:15:51 AM

Droog8912: /Mallrats had a terrible Director's Cut


But a hilarious(ly bad) TV-edit. I've caught it on Comedy Central a few times and it's more than just bleeping a word here and there. It's practically a different movie. Entire sections of dialog of Jay's are completely overdubbed, and the VHS video at the end is Ben Afleck in a clown costume.
 
2012-06-05 10:16:27 AM

Rev.K: thornhill: and the machine guns in the tunnel.

I think I'm the only one who really enjoys that addition to the movie.

In my opinion, it helps build tension. They barricade themselves in thinking that the sentry guns are going to help take care of any aliens and maybe, just maybe they could escape or last the 17 days until they send a search for them.

But then they have to stand there and watch their sentry guns get emptied in a matter of minutes, heightening their fear that the aliens are un-f*cking-stoppable.

I think it adds a lot.

But then again, I'm a pretty big fan.


I'll wait to see how Fahrenheit 451 is before passing judgement. He doesn't make many movies and more than half of them are really good.
 
2012-06-05 10:18:02 AM
The director's cut of Abyss is just a better film. It fills in ugly gaps that otherwise make the plot seem jumpy and arbitrary, and the changes give the NTIs clear motivation for their actions.

thespindrifter: What, no mention of "Chronicles of Riddick"? That has to be the worst Director's Cut evar. I seriously am glad I watched it before I bought it, so I knew to avoid that hunk of steaming crap.


I have mixed feelings about it. I like that they gave you more information on his race and where he came from, but their method of delivery was totally crap. I guess I liked the raw material, but disliked the execution.
 
2012-06-05 10:23:08 AM
List fail without Twins With Big Tits 7. That ass-licking scene not only ruined the pacing of the film, it undermined the character of Lola Spank.
 
2012-06-05 10:25:31 AM
I think the article is right about Aliens but wrong about The Abyss. The Abyss really needed the alien backstory for the film to make any sense, and I suspect that its absence is one of the reasons why it tanked at the box office. Then again, when it comes to Cameron, I'm still a bit miffed that the dream sequence with Kyle Reese didn't make it into the theatrical cut of Terminator 2.
 
2012-06-05 10:25:33 AM

Rev.K: thornhill: and the machine guns in the tunnel.

I think I'm the only one who really enjoys that addition to the movie.

In my opinion, it helps build tension. They barricade themselves in thinking that the sentry guns are going to help take care of any aliens and maybe, just maybe they could escape or last the 17 days until they send a search for them.

But then they have to stand there and watch their sentry guns get emptied in a matter of minutes, heightening their fear that the aliens are un-f*cking-stoppable.

I think it adds a lot.

But then again, I'm a pretty big fan.


Yes, you're alone in like this :)

They make it quite clear that they have very limited ammo, so it's obviously just something which is going to buy them a little bit of time. And in the cut scenes, it buys them no time. All it does is to show that the aliens are actively trying to get into the compound during the 30 minute lull in action.
 
2012-06-05 10:27:55 AM

Nameless_Guy: Zombie DJ: Stopped reading after he went after Daredevil.
Affleck is perfect for the role and even looked liked Murdock about the same as RDjr looks like Stark.
Hating on Daredevil is fanboy rage and shows the writer isn't knowledgable, he's just some idiot with a favorable internet opinion.
DD isn't the greatest film ever made, but the directors cut makes it a very well done movie.

Completely agreed. I loved the director's cut much more than the theatrical. Plus, I loved Affleck's Daredevil. He was brilliantly cast. It was the writing and directing that was the weakest part of the movie. I think people just love to hate on Affleck.


The scene were Murdock and Elektra are sparring on the teeter-totters in the beginning of the movie really takes you out of the film. I agree that the directors cut of that movie makes it much better (and I had no problem with Affleck being cast), but that scene SUCKED.
 
2012-06-05 10:29:09 AM

Jaws75: I think the article is right about Aliens but wrong about The Abyss. The Abyss really needed the alien backstory for the film to make any sense, and I suspect that its absence is one of the reasons why it tanked at the box office. Then again, when it comes to Cameron, I'm still a bit miffed that the dream sequence with Kyle Reese didn't make it into the theatrical cut of Terminator 2.


It tanked because it's a really slow film with a soggy romance story.
 
2012-06-05 10:30:40 AM
And here I was thinking the A/V club had taste:

David Twohy's taut, twisty thriller A Perfect Getaway is one of its decade's most effective thrillers.

Really? I thought the movie, while well-cast, was nothing more than horribly predictable, trite eye candy. Seriously. I figured out the twist about 10 minutes into the film.

And regarding the rest of the list: the Abyss DC adds a LOT to the movie. The theatrical version literally feels like 20 minutes are missing from the end of the movie, mostly because 20 minutes are missing from the end of the movie.
 
2012-06-05 10:34:02 AM

Jaws75: I think the article is right about Aliens but wrong about The Abyss. The Abyss really needed the alien backstory for the film to make any sense, and I suspect that its absence is one of the reasons why it tanked at the box office. Then again, when it comes to Cameron, I'm still a bit miffed that the dream sequence with Kyle Reese didn't make it into the theatrical cut of Terminator 2.


Speaking of The Abyss, where's my director's cut Blu-Ray, James Cameron? There's not even an anamorphic DVD out for it. How about we stop re-releasing T2 with a new version every couple years and give The Abyss one good release? Please?
 
2012-06-05 10:39:39 AM

Dog Welder: Nameless_Guy: Zombie DJ: Stopped reading after he went after Daredevil.
Affleck is perfect for the role and even looked liked Murdock about the same as RDjr looks like Stark.
Hating on Daredevil is fanboy rage and shows the writer isn't knowledgable, he's just some idiot with a favorable internet opinion.
DD isn't the greatest film ever made, but the directors cut makes it a very well done movie.

Completely agreed. I loved the director's cut much more than the theatrical. Plus, I loved Affleck's Daredevil. He was brilliantly cast. It was the writing and directing that was the weakest part of the movie. I think people just love to hate on Affleck.

The scene were Murdock and Elektra are sparring on the teeter-totters in the beginning of the movie really takes you out of the film. I agree that the directors cut of that movie makes it much better (and I had no problem with Affleck being cast), but that scene SUCKED.


My ONLY real problem with the movie was that I think the CGI guys had no idea how gravity and physics worked. Those front kicks where they flipped over were just dumb.
 
2012-06-05 10:41:08 AM

Dog Welder: Nameless_Guy: Zombie DJ: Stopped reading after he went after Daredevil.
Affleck is perfect for the role and even looked liked Murdock about the same as RDjr looks like Stark.
Hating on Daredevil is fanboy rage and shows the writer isn't knowledgable, he's just some idiot with a favorable internet opinion.
DD isn't the greatest film ever made, but the directors cut makes it a very well done movie.

Completely agreed. I loved the director's cut much more than the theatrical. Plus, I loved Affleck's Daredevil. He was brilliantly cast. It was the writing and directing that was the weakest part of the movie. I think people just love to hate on Affleck.

The scene were Murdock and Elektra are sparring on the teeter-totters in the beginning of the movie really takes you out of the film. I agree that the directors cut of that movie makes it much better (and I had no problem with Affleck being cast), but that scene SUCKED.


Agreed, i thought Affleck was miscast, but i can see arguments either way. However, i totally checked out of the movie during that fight scene. Ugh, so baaadddd.
 
2012-06-05 10:46:19 AM

Carth: So glad Donnie Darko was on the list. They farked up the sound track on the directors cut which was one of the best things about the movie. Also, it ruined a lot of the "Donnie is a comic book hero" imagery that was great in the original.


Agreed. I have long said this. They took a movie which had a wonderful mysterious tone and just gutted that whole feeling with unnecessary exposition.
 
2012-06-05 10:48:21 AM

seniorgato: I'm going to come off as a troll, but I'm serious. Blade Runner is a thousand times better as the theatrical cut. That directors cut nonsense is borderline awful.


/Everyone can get out your pitchforks now.


No pitchforks, you're exactly right.
 
2012-06-05 11:07:58 AM

SkepticalBeliever: Dog Welder: Nameless_Guy: Zombie DJ: Stopped reading after he went after Daredevil.
Affleck is perfect for the role and even looked liked Murdock about the same as RDjr looks like Stark.
Hating on Daredevil is fanboy rage and shows the writer isn't knowledgable, he's just some idiot with a favorable internet opinion.
DD isn't the greatest film ever made, but the directors cut makes it a very well done movie.

Completely agreed. I loved the director's cut much more than the theatrical. Plus, I loved Affleck's Daredevil. He was brilliantly cast. It was the writing and directing that was the weakest part of the movie. I think people just love to hate on Affleck.

The scene were Murdock and Elektra are sparring on the teeter-totters in the beginning of the movie really takes you out of the film. I agree that the directors cut of that movie makes it much better (and I had no problem with Affleck being cast), but that scene SUCKED.

Agreed, i thought Affleck was miscast, but i can see arguments either way. However, i totally checked out of the movie during that fight scene. Ugh, so baaadddd.


My favourite part of that whole fight is how she only asks him once, "Are you sure you're really blind?" And I think it was at the beginning of the fight. Damn talented for a supposedly blind fella. The movie had its flaws for sure (I consider it to be a guilty pleasure), some of which are downright eyeroll-worthy. But, seeing him use his abilities in the courtroom scenes in the SC are enjoyable. And when he drives the cop's car, and keeps intentionally crashing.
 
2012-06-05 11:08:54 AM
I can't imagine Donnie Darko being made worse by anything, the movie was a pile of shiat in the first place. Ooh, aah, It's A Wonderful Life with Jake Gyllenhaal and a furry. BFD.
 
2012-06-05 11:23:04 AM
Agreed about the badness of CE3K Special Edition, but the article (and its companion) overlook the CE3K Collector's edition, which removes the inside the mothership sequence, reinstates all the stuff cut from the Special Edition, and also includes the "good" Special Edition footage (like the ship in the desert). That's the one to watch.
 
2012-06-05 11:25:29 AM

seniorgato: Blade Runner is a thousand times better as the theatrical cut. That directors cut nonsense is borderline awful.


You do realize that the director's cut of Blade Runner simply removed the voice over and added a 15 second dream sequence, right?
 
2012-06-05 11:27:48 AM

Teufelaffe: seniorgato: Blade Runner is a thousand times better as the theatrical cut. That directors cut nonsense is borderline awful.

You do realize that the director's cut of Blade Runner simply removed the voice over and added a 15 second dream sequence, right?


And took out the "they lived happily ever after" ending.
 
2012-06-05 11:29:39 AM

flaminio: Teufelaffe: seniorgato: Blade Runner is a thousand times better as the theatrical cut. That directors cut nonsense is borderline awful.

You do realize that the director's cut of Blade Runner simply removed the voice over and added a 15 second dream sequence, right?

And took out the "they lived happily ever after" ending.


Well, they did that by removing the voice over. He's still in the car with whats-her-butt at the end of the DC, iirc, but thanks to the missing VO and the dream sequence, it's not a happy ending, just an ending.
 
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