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2012-06-05 10:10:28 AM
First guess was Kyle, but I guess that's close enough.
 
2012-06-05 10:26:08 AM

wallywam1: SharkTrager: wallywam1: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Ooba Tooba: I don't mean to sound all internet tough guy, but if some dumb country fark shiatbag said he wanted to kick my ass, I'd say bring it son. I really don't know why/how reporters put up with these spoiled, rude, dickhead loudmouths. Seems alot of pro athletes have never had their ass handed to them. A good old fashioned ass whipping would suit many of them in my opinion. Just saying..

....he's from Vegas

Rednecks are everywhere, and they are from everywhere.

And dumb country fark shiatbags?

In spirit, yes.


OK, saying redneck is everywhere is one thing, but country is not. The guy grew up a spoiled rich brat in Las Vegas. He is anything but country. And, to be frank, his behavior isn't anything like country behavior. It is the behavior of an entitled urban douche.
 
2012-06-05 10:55:12 AM
Dustin Long @dustinlong
James Finch tells @SiriusXMNASCAR on what he'll tell Kurt on Tues: "Quit wrecking cars. Be nice to people. That's not hard 2 do.

/wanna bet?


Dustin Long @dustinlong
James Finch tells @SiriusXMNASCAR "If we stay together (with Kurt) it will be a race-by-race basis."
 
2012-06-05 10:56:10 AM
The thing that really bugs me about him is that fake ass botox smile he always has on his face. Probably one of the most insincere smiles I have ever seen.
 
2012-06-05 11:07:52 AM
He generally is an ass and I have never really rooted for him with any team. But he sometimes gets under Jimmy Johnson's skin, so that's a point in his column for me.
 
2012-06-05 11:14:18 AM

good_2_go: Dustin Long @dustinlong
James Finch tells @SiriusXMNASCAR on what he'll tell Kurt on Tues: "Quit wrecking cars. Be nice to people. That's not hard 2 do.

/wanna bet?


Dustin Long @dustinlong
James Finch tells @SiriusXMNASCAR "If we stay together (with Kurt) it will be a race-by-race basis."


Sigh
 
2012-06-05 11:38:52 AM
No excusing Kurt for being an ass, but the fans are partly responsible for creating this monster. When Kurt came into the series, he was HATED by the fans, just like Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon....simply because they weren't from the south. That "from the south only" mentality has faded, but Kurt was stuck holding the mantle for it. When his brother came to the series, he was equally hated....for being Kurt's brother.

Now imagine you reach the pinnacle of your career, and you are booed and hater from the onset. What kind of mentality does that create? Some people can shrug it off, others, not so much.

Kurt's an ass for who he is. But he gets prodded a lot more (and Kyle too) to be pushed to the breaking point.
Bob Pockrass should have known not to ask trivial, sensitive questions to Kurt, especially after he crossed the line prodding into Kurt's divorce last year.

IMO, Bob was looking for Kurt to blow up, and he's a dick too for doing so.

That being said, Kurt needs to take some lessons from his brother, visit the same therapist, whatever. He's dug this hole for himself, and he needs to get out of it or his career is at an end. But as far as Nascar is concerned, they shouldn't have suspended him. Fined him, yes, but suspending him, no. Listening to the Sirius Nascar radio shows, those guys are blowing this out of proportion. They are acting like Bob's life was endangered (except for Moody).

Nascar is slowly eroding emotion from the sport, then wonder why they get vanilla racing at some tracks. Nascar should stick to drawing the line at safety.
 
2012-06-05 12:07:29 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Kurt?

*reads TFA*

yup. Dumbass is 2 steps away from going Full Mayfield.


I was thinking, as I read the article, that it sounds like he's got a drug/alcohol problem...
 
2012-06-05 12:16:35 PM

m1ke: The thing that really bugs me about him is that fake ass botox smile he always has on his face. Probably one of the most insincere smiles I have ever seen.


It is fake but it ain't botox. He had his ears 'pinned'. My guess is that they stretched them a little too tight.

Dustin Long @dustinlong
James Finch tells @SiriusXMNASCAR "If we stay together (with Kurt) it will be a race-by-race basis."


Which is amazing because when the season started, Finch said they might have to go out behind the shop and work things out but he wouldn't fire Kurt.

Finch's cars aren't junk. They're competitive to the point of being capable of winning select events. Kurt's had several great runs. Even though he faded at the end, his Darlington drive was something to see and would have possibly opened the door to more sponsorship money had he not gone nuts post race. Getting the Finch ride was a career saving chance for Kurt and he's all but blown it before the halfway point.

Forget full Mayfield. Kurt Busch is looking like a guy about to go full Seau.
 
2012-06-05 01:10:05 PM

yequalsy: the biggest redneck here: He hasn't had anywhere to go since Penske fired him. Childress beat the shiat out of his brother, sure doesn't want him. JGR almost fired his brother. Hendrick sent his brother packing. Roush sent him packing. Stewart doesn't want him.

A "top ride" was never a possibility, and he knows that.

It's pretty shocking how the guy has just thrown away his career. The only other place I could even imagine that's reasonably competitive is MWR. If only because of his championship provisional he'll get rides but he's headed to Start and Parkville.


Ehh... MWR is really a Toyota camp team with Waltrip's name on it, and they've already got some really good young names. At EGR, Johnny Morris loves McMurray, and Target wouldn't get within fiteen miles of Kurt. He literally has nowhere to go.
 
2012-06-05 01:32:48 PM
Again, let Kyle and Kurt race for themselves so they have no owner to answer to. Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.
 
2012-06-05 01:50:58 PM

bluorangefyre: Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.


Now there's a good idea right there... newsletter, subscription, etc.
 
2012-06-05 03:01:31 PM

bluorangefyre: Again, let Kyle and Kurt race for themselves so they have no owner to answer to. Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.


I think we've just found the answer, folks!
 
2012-06-05 03:01:35 PM

Bonkthat_Again: No excusing Kurt for being an ass, but the fans are partly responsible for creating this monster. When Kurt came into the series, he was HATED by the fans, just like Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon....simply because they weren't from the south. That "from the south only" mentality has faded, but Kurt was stuck holding the mantle for it. When his brother came to the series, he was equally hated....for being Kurt's brother.
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Kurt's an ass for who he is. But he gets prodded a lot more (and Kyle too) to be pushed to the breaking point.
Bob Pockrass should have known not to ask trivial, sensitive questions to Kurt, especially after he crossed the line prodding into Kurt's divorce last year.

IMO, Bob was looking for Kurt to blow up, and he's a dick too for doing so.


I don't think Kurt (or Gordon, or Johnson) was a victim of the "south only" mentality. That ship had sailed for the most part by the end of the '90s. What annoyed people about Gordon and Johnson is that they never had to "pay their dues."

That is, both of them jumped from so-so Busch performance (at least Gordon had multiple wins) into championship-ready Cup equipment. They didn't have to prove themselves in lesser equipment to "earn" their seat in a Hendrick car. Gordon almost did - he would have been a Ford driver for Bill Davis - but Chevy wanted Gordon and they helped to put him in a new #24 car, while Bobby Labonte became Davis' driver. Johnson was just so-so in ASA and Busch, winning a race here or there, but he still got a ride in Hendrick's car despite the on-track success to prove it. And then, both of them went out and racked up wins in that top equipment. At least if Gordon or Johnson had come home with a Busch title, they would have had a better argument.

Kurt Busch, on the other hand...I first remember Kurt filling Chris Trickle's seat after he was shot. He clearly had the talent, and that earned him a ride with Jack Roush. He was a Truck Series rookie in 2000, and a Cup champion in 2004. You don't achieve that without some kind of skill. I think what hurt Kurt was his lack of humility. His "do you know who I am" standoff with Sheriff Arpaio's crew didn't help endear anyone to him in 2005. I believe Dick Berggren was the one who wrote an article in his own magazine about how Kurt's image was hurt by the fact that he tried to be eloquent and well-spoken, which just came off as cocky and better than everyone else.

Kyle dug his own grave. Kurt said Kyle was the more talented of the two, which landed Kyle a part-time Truck ride for Roush at the age of 16. NASCAR sort of squelched that progress - they changed the minimum age for the top three series to 18 - so Roush had to put Busch in ASA (where he could race at 16-17) for a year to keep him under contract. With his 18th birthday approaching, Kyle then signed with Hendrick because Hendrick promised him a faster path to Cup than he would have had with Roush. That was why, despite Mark Martin being a huge supporter of Joey Logano, Roush was reluctant to sign any driver who couldn't legally be bound to a contract.

And once he had his top ride, Kyle showed why he was worthy, but damn, he wasn't terribly humble about it either.

Right or wrong - and it may have been a bit overblown - it doesn't help Kurt's chances. He's burned bridges with Roush and Penske. This may burn a bridge at Hendrick, because of Hendrick's engine support of Finch. Joe Gibbs and Home Depot won't replace Logano with the second coming of the Young Tony Stewart. That leaves precious few options, and anyone with a "growing" team isn't going to take their chances on a known bad apple, wins and championships notwithstanding.
 
2012-06-05 03:07:42 PM

pwn3d781: Bonkthat_Again: No excusing Kurt for being an ass, but the fans are partly responsible for creating this monster. When Kurt came into the series, he was HATED by the fans, just like Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon....simply because they weren't from the south. That "from the south only" mentality has faded, but Kurt was stuck holding the mantle for it. When his brother came to the series, he was equally hated....for being Kurt's brother.
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Kurt's an ass for who he is. But he gets prodded a lot more (and Kyle too) to be pushed to the breaking point.
Bob Pockrass should have known not to ask trivial, sensitive questions to Kurt, especially after he crossed the line prodding into Kurt's divorce last year.

IMO, Bob was looking for Kurt to blow up, and he's a dick too for doing so.

I don't think Kurt (or Gordon, or Johnson) was a victim of the "south only" mentality. That ship had sailed for the most part by the end of the '90s. What annoyed people about Gordon and Johnson is that they never had to "pay their dues."

That is, both of them jumped from so-so Busch performance (at least Gordon had multiple wins) into championship-ready Cup equipment. They didn't have to prove themselves in lesser equipment to "earn" their seat in a Hendrick car. Gordon almost did - he would have been a Ford driver for Bill Davis - but Chevy wanted Gordon and they helped to put him in a new #24 car, while Bobby Labonte became Davis' driver. Johnson was just so-so in ASA and Busch, winning a race here or there, but he still got a ride in Hendrick's car despite the on-track success to prove it. And then, both of them went out and racked up wins in that top equipment. At least if Gordon or Johnson had come home with a Busch title, they would have had a better argument.

Kurt Busch, on the other hand...I first remember Kurt filling Chris Trickle's seat after he was shot. He clearly had the talent, and that earned him a ride with Jack Roush. He was a Truck Series rookie in 2000, and a Cup champ ...


Good analysis, but there was no bridge to burn with Hendrick. After their experience with Kyle, there's no way they would have ever hired Kurt.
 
2012-06-05 03:33:53 PM

JustGetItRight: Good analysis, but there was no bridge to burn with Hendrick. After their experience with Kyle, there's no way they would have ever hired Kurt.


I think it would be more of a case of "no room at the inn." They waited two years to get Kasey Kahne, and with the four-team cap, unless Earnhardt decides to go race for Childress, there's no seat at Hendrick Motorsports for Kurt Busch, attitude or not.

Also, Kyle's problems have mostly revolved around his on-track behavior, the way he handles fellow competitors and the way he treats his crew members during the race. Kurt's been mostly abrasive toward the media. I'm not sure if one is actually better than the other, but when you're not friendly to the sources that determine your exposure and public image, well, it's not going to help in the sponsor department.
 
2012-06-05 03:41:36 PM
People just can't be happy. They shiat all over Johnson because he is too nice (and wins too much), and hate Kurt because he is a jerk.

What do you people want?
 
2012-06-05 03:54:02 PM

vegaswench: People just can't be happy. They shiat all over Johnson because he is too nice (and wins too much), and hate Kurt because he is a jerk.

What do you people want?


A young Ken Schrader
 
2012-06-05 04:01:54 PM

pwn3d781: I don't think Kurt (or Gordon, or Johnson) was a victim of the "south only" mentality. That ship had sailed for the most part by the end of the '90s. What annoyed people about Gordon and Johnson is that they never had to "pay their dues."


Understood.

I only have my opinion because i became a fan of Nascar in 2002. It boggled my mind when Kurt would win a race and everyone would boo. I remember Kyle getting his first cup win, dodging beer cans getting the flag. They way the crowd hated them....stuck with me. I'm just trying to imagine what kind of mental walls, good or bad, they had to put up because of the uncalled-for hatred. Just wondering if they'd be the same dicks if people cheered when they got their first win (like they did with Ragan, Bayne, Reutiman, ect.....and all the other drivers). People inherently feel warm a fuzzy being at a race where a driver pops his or her cherry. Don't think the Busch brothers ever got that kind of treatment.


As for Kyle, most folks know him very differently off the track. It seems his Dr. Hyde only comes out in front of a microphone or a camera. I believe he learned his lesson last year. Kurt seems to have the worst of the genes.
 
2012-06-05 04:17:47 PM

bluorangefyre: Again, let Kyle and Kurt race for themselves so they have no owner to answer to. Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.


Who would sponsor them?
 
2012-06-05 04:23:09 PM

Bonkthat_Again: pwn3d781: I don't think Kurt (or Gordon, or Johnson) was a victim of the "south only" mentality. That ship had sailed for the most part by the end of the '90s. What annoyed people about Gordon and Johnson is that they never had to "pay their dues."

Understood.

I only have my opinion because i became a fan of Nascar in 2002.


You would have had to be watching from the mid 90's on when Gordon started dominating places like Darlington, and took away the saying "There's only one Million Dollar Bill". Seriously, I was a huge Elliott fan back then, and I still remember gritting my teeth watching Gordon win that race and that bonus.
 
2012-06-05 05:56:30 PM

good_2_go: bluorangefyre: Again, let Kyle and Kurt race for themselves so they have no owner to answer to. Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.

Who would sponsor them?


Monster seems to have no problem sponsoring them in Kyle's Nationwide ride, even with Kurt in it. There are *some* sponsors out there looking for someone with a "bad boy" image. But they also want to win. If you can't win, *then* you're truly farked. I think Paul Tracy is a good comparison, albeit from Indy.

I think the "Fark the establishment, we'll build our own team!" has been in the cards for the Busch bros ever since Kyle started his own truck team. It's just the problem with that is Kyle's the one smart enough to plan ahead and properly build an organization, while Kurt has done no such thing. That power imbalance will get to Kurt sooner or later (sooner) and he'll really shoot himself in the foot by letting loose on Kyle and his team mid-race.

Then we'll get the hilariously sad years where he tries to start his own team, or S&Ps, or tries to snag a ride in Grand Am or whatever.
 
2012-06-05 06:06:12 PM

Jensaarai: and he'll really shoot himself in the foot by letting loose on Kyle and his team mid-race.


Grandma will kick both their asses. She *has* done it before.
 
2012-06-05 06:22:32 PM

Jensaarai: good_2_go: bluorangefyre: Again, let Kyle and Kurt race for themselves so they have no owner to answer to. Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.

Who would sponsor them?

Monster seems to have no problem sponsoring them in Kyle's Nationwide ride, even with Kurt in it. There are *some* sponsors out there looking for someone with a "bad boy" image. But they also want to win. If you can't win, *then* you're truly farked. I think Paul Tracy is a good comparison, albeit from Indy.

I think the "Fark the establishment, we'll build our own team!" has been in the cards for the Busch bros ever since Kyle started his own truck team. It's just the problem with that is Kyle's the one smart enough to plan ahead and properly build an organization, while Kurt has done no such thing. That power imbalance will get to Kurt sooner or later (sooner) and he'll really shoot himself in the foot by letting loose on Kyle and his team mid-race.

Then we'll get the hilariously sad years where he tries to start his own team, or S&Ps, or tries to snag a ride in Grand Am or whatever.


So the Busch brothers are the new Bodines. Interesting theory, I'll keep it in mind.
 
2012-06-05 07:12:06 PM

vegaswench: What do you people want?


Sprint Cup Champion Johnny Benson
 
2012-06-05 08:11:51 PM
 
2012-06-05 09:13:33 PM

vegaswench: People just can't be happy. They shiat all over Johnson because he is too nice (and wins too much), and hate Kurt because he is a jerk.

What do you people want?


Jerks are fine, as long as they're smart enough to pick the right targets.

Jerry Punch, your own crew, and your underfunded new crew are not the right targets. It leaves a seriously bad taste in people's mouths to see a millionaire shiat all over a bunch of working guys. It's different when you see millionaires taking shots on guys on equal or better footing. In this very thread, you'll see folks expressing enjoyment of him focusing his jackassery on Jimmie Johnson.

Tony Stewart learned this lesson, and look at how popular he is. Kyle has partially learned to at least restrict it mostly to the other drivers, so he's learning it.

I personally hope Kurt learns this lesson, too but I think that window is quickly closing, if not closed.
 
2012-06-05 09:21:02 PM

Jensaarai: vegaswench: People just can't be happy. They shiat all over Johnson because he is too nice (and wins too much), and hate Kurt because he is a jerk.

What do you people want?

Jerks are fine, as long as they're smart enough to pick the right targets.

Jerry Punch, your own crew, and your underfunded new crew are not the right targets. It leaves a seriously bad taste in people's mouths to see a millionaire shiat all over a bunch of working guys. It's different when you see millionaires taking shots on guys on equal or better footing. In this very thread, you'll see folks expressing enjoyment of him focusing his jackassery on Jimmie Johnson.

Tony Stewart learned this lesson, and look at how popular he is. Kyle has partially learned to at least restrict it mostly to the other drivers, so he's learning it.

I personally hope Kurt learns this lesson, too but I think that window is quickly closing, if not closed.


You have a point. I am not defending what Kurt has done in the past and I admit I am becoming less of a fan because of his prattish behavior, but it just seems to me that the reporter was asking a stupid question and good for Kurt for letting him have it. At least he is never boring.
 
2012-06-05 09:54:42 PM

vegaswench: Jensaarai: vegaswench: People just can't be happy. They shiat all over Johnson because he is too nice (and wins too much), and hate Kurt because he is a jerk.

What do you people want?

Jerks are fine, as long as they're smart enough to pick the right targets.

Jerry Punch, your own crew, and your underfunded new crew are not the right targets. It leaves a seriously bad taste in people's mouths to see a millionaire shiat all over a bunch of working guys. It's different when you see millionaires taking shots on guys on equal or better footing. In this very thread, you'll see folks expressing enjoyment of him focusing his jackassery on Jimmie Johnson.

Tony Stewart learned this lesson, and look at how popular he is. Kyle has partially learned to at least restrict it mostly to the other drivers, so he's learning it.

I personally hope Kurt learns this lesson, too but I think that window is quickly closing, if not closed.

You have a point. I am not defending what Kurt has done in the past and I admit I am becoming less of a fan because of his prattish behavior, but it just seems to me that the reporter was asking a stupid question and good for Kurt for letting him have it. At least he is never boring.


You might think the question was stupid, but that doesn't mean it's not a legitimate question. All because the answer might be obvious to you or me doesn't mean it would be obvious to everyone who reads that reporter's story the next day.

The reporter did his job. Kurt had no business responding in that way to a legitimate question. All he had to say was "yeah" and that would've been enough.

Of course, that would mean he would be exercising common sense. That'll happen around the time I win the lottery.
 
2012-06-05 11:35:18 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: vegaswench: What do you people want?

Sprint Cup Champion Johnny Benson


You know... I almost said Johnny Benson but went with Ken Schrader instead. I also would have accepted Elliott Sadler.
 
2012-06-06 01:53:08 AM

vegaswench: People just can't be happy. They shiat all over Johnson because he is too nice (and wins too much), and hate Kurt because he is a jerk.

What do you people want?


Johnson put into the wall. I find it irritating that they suspend somebody for repeatedly being a little too honest with his opinions, yet don't suspend the DRIVER of the car built illegally at least once every year of his career.

I've actually come around to liking the Busch brothers. They're the closest anybody will get to being like Dale Sr. behind the wheel. They flat out love to race and are fun to watch.
 
2012-06-06 06:12:41 AM

bluorangefyre: They're the closest anybody will get to being like Dale Sr. behind the wheel.


Stewart.
 
2012-06-06 06:13:22 AM
To be fair, Tony grew out of "I'm gonna wreck you, because f*ck you I'm me" mode years ago.
 
2012-06-06 08:22:19 AM

bluorangefyre: They're the closest anybody will get to being like Dale Sr. behind the wheel


Why?
They gonna cut the wheel all of a sudden?
 
2012-06-06 08:25:32 AM

Jensaarai: good_2_go: bluorangefyre: Again, let Kyle and Kurt race for themselves so they have no owner to answer to. Who knows, they may tag team wrecking Johnson every weekend.

Who would sponsor them?

Monster seems to have no problem sponsoring them in Kyle's Nationwide ride, even with Kurt in it. There are *some* sponsors out there looking for someone with a "bad boy" image. But they also want to win. If you can't win, *then* you're truly farked. I think Paul Tracy is a good comparison, albeit from Indy.

I think the "Fark the establishment, we'll build our own team!" has been in the cards for the Busch bros ever since Kyle started his own truck team. It's just the problem with that is Kyle's the one smart enough to plan ahead and properly build an organization, while Kurt has done no such thing. That power imbalance will get to Kurt sooner or later (sooner) and he'll really shoot himself in the foot by letting loose on Kyle and his team mid-race.

Then we'll get the hilariously sad years where he tries to start his own team, or S&Ps, or tries to snag a ride in Grand Am or whatever.


The investment in a Nationwide car isn't anywhere near what's required to fund a cup team. There are a lot of companies that might be willing to take a $5 million chance right now, but I don't see anyone willing to take a $15 million one.
 
2012-06-06 09:51:18 AM
Here is a perfect example of what is wrong with Nascar.. FANS.

All I hear is now nascrap ruined the series with the cot, cookie cutter 1.5mi tracks etc etc.. when in reality what is killing nascar is the lack of fan pushback when something like this happens. Do you want 43 Jimmy Johnsons starting every week? That's what you're going to get. There used to be a tiem when drivers would land their private planes on public streets to pick up more liquor and pistol whip other drivers in the pits for on track transgressions... I'm not saying it should go back to that but for pharks sake.. so a guy has a short fuse and likes to run his c-holster.. big deal. I though his comment was hilarious personally and have no problem with his behavior. Reporters should know to stay away from him. If this was Hillbilly SuperJesus (3) he would have been elevated to super god status for saying this.. but because it's Kurt Busch in modern day snowflake corporate nascar he gets suspended. You know.. maybe he's just had enough of all the BS that comes with being a cup driver. he has plenty of $ and probably not too many years left anyway so why should he care. He has more wins and 1 championship compared to Hillbilly Jesus Jr's (88) 18 and 0. Wanna guess what a real racer cares about more? - hint, not T shirt sales. Kurt will move on to drag racing, since that's what he has taken a sheen to anyway and he's a car guy so he'll wander off into the sunset happy and you can tune in every sunday to watch your favorite corporate drone toe the line. Enjoy!
 
2012-06-06 07:16:26 PM

puffy999: bluorangefyre: They're the closest anybody will get to being like Dale Sr. behind the wheel.

Stewart.


This
 
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