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2012-06-05 06:57:57 AM

imprimere: So, a man wearing a scarf on his head comes into my restaurant with his burqa-wearing wife and asks for an application. I give him one, but I tell him that he doesn't really want to work here because I and my staff don't agree with what his people stand for. He decides I'm a dick and doesn't hand in the application. Was there discrimination?


I don't think so. Of course I'm not a lawyer. But if he doesn't give you an application, you can't hire him. And if you can't hire him, how could you have been discriminating against hiring him? If you refuse to take the application, rip it off, whatever, it can be discrimination, but with no application in play it's just speech.

OG.
 
2012-06-05 07:08:42 AM

BradleyUffner: The story never said she REFUSED to rent to him. He picked up an application, then she called him and basically said "You know, the people around here are really politically active, I don't think you would be happy here." Then he decided based on that to not actually turn in the rental application.

This doesn't really sound any different to me that if an elderly person wanted to rent an apartment and the landlord said "There are a TON of kids living around here that make a lot of noise, you may not like it here."

It's not refusing to rent, it's just warning the possible renter that the environment may not actually be to their liking.


Finally, someone with reading comprehension skills. And seeing how it went unnoticed I thought I might bring it up again.
 
2012-06-05 07:13:00 AM

NetOwl: jaylectricity: "For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.

She looks at you as one of those people that would be OK with killing another human for money.

Soldiers tend to be that, yes.

An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldier or to anyone else who has killed someone. Even if the soldiers didn't start the war, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paid to shoot people.


Just when I thought I had seen it all on FARK, here comes Netowl surpassing all prior dumbass comments. Guess we shouldn't ever count on you to defend this County and your fellow citizens. But you can feel safe in the knowledge that others will be there to pick up your slack and defend you.
 
2012-06-05 07:22:35 AM

Cyclometh: here to help: Cyclometh: No, they didn't. The "spit in the face" thing is a complete fabrication. To date not one verified/corroborated account of something like that happening has been brought to light.

Vietnam vets got treated badly in a ton of ways, but that was not one of them.

I doubt that not a single one of those Nam boys got a loogie launched at them sometime somewhere after they got back... but that doesn't matter. You agree they got treated like sacks of crap when they returned.

The point is... this guy doesn't have it so tough. He should find a better cause to make a ruckus about if he wants my respect. He isn't going to get it harassing some old hippie lady.

Discrimination is wrong, it is anti-American and principled individuals should never turn a blind eye to it. Whether a small act or a gross one, it is wrong and should not be tolerated in this country.

While I firmly believe that discrimination is wrong, and things are slowly changing for the better. It is as American as mom and apple pie, unfortunately.
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2012-06-05 07:23:59 AM
Forgot one...
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2012-06-05 07:26:06 AM

TenJed_77: It's not refusing to rent, it's just warning the possible renter that the environment may not actually be to their liking.

Finally, someone with reading comprehension skills. And seeing how it went unnoticed I thought I might bring it up again.


Um... she didn't rent to the guy, and she left a pretty clear indication as to what the reason was .... so yeah, it kinda is refusing to rent.

The Iraq war was a totally unethical campaign that I was against from the very beginning. That doesn't make this woman any less of a biatch.
 
2012-06-05 07:29:27 AM

cassanovascotian: TenJed_77: It's not refusing to rent, it's just warning the possible renter that the environment may not actually be to their liking.

Finally, someone with reading comprehension skills. And seeing how it went unnoticed I thought I might bring it up again.

Um... she didn't rent to the guy, and she left a pretty clear indication as to what the reason was .... so yeah, it kinda is refusing to rent.

The Iraq war was a totally unethical campaign that I was against from the very beginning. That doesn't make this woman any less of a biatch.


He did not even apply! There were, what, 30 other people who filled out the proper paperwork and jumped through the necessary hoops. You don't think he's acting a little entitled?
 
2012-06-05 07:34:39 AM

Joce678: FloydA:
2: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.

Bullshiat.

Last time I checked military service was voluntary in the USA and the war started long before most of today's active servicemen signed up for it (they were probably in grade school when 9/11 happened).


Because people never join the military when they lack any other real job opportunities, all branches of the military are filled with True Believing Real Americans itching to hop onto landmines like lemmings and end up the next internee at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, right?
 
2012-06-05 07:35:16 AM

OBBN: Guess we shouldn't ever count on you to defend this County and your fellow citizens. But you can feel safe in the knowledge that others will be there to pick up your slack and defend you.


I'd 'defend' my home and country if it came down to it. Afghanistan and IRAQ don't really fall into that category. The whole pretext for invasion was a lie, 90% of the casualties over there are civilians, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo....Haliburton, GW Bush...

A war is supposed to have a goal, a point where you can say you've won, right? Exactly what constitutes "mission accomplished"?

To me it seems like you're fighting an ideal, just like you fought communism, etc. Let us know how that works out.
 
2012-06-05 07:35:49 AM
Dang I *WISH* we could have found a veteran or soldier to rent to! We ended up getting a bunch of really pathetic applicants including a black welfare family with 10 kids (Mind you this is a 2 bedroom apartment) and some trailer trash white folks that liked to collect cars (We only had 1 space available)... so ya... we couldn't find a renter to save our lives! Why can't we have luck like that, I would have loved to get a vet!!
 
2012-06-05 07:36:50 AM

SpaceyCat: There are laws on the books to prevent people from discriminating against protected classes. That being said, there's more than one way to deny renting to someone you don't like without leaving yourself open to law suits.


Yes... It's called the "Circular file cabinet" and have dumped many an app. in one.
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Sorry, We rented to someone else.....
 
2012-06-05 07:36:53 AM
There's nothing more than the satisfaction of being a landlord, and getting away with causing hardship for your tenants with ridiculously high rents because "hey, it's what the market will bear".

You can be an absolute dick and get away with it.
 
2012-06-05 07:37:58 AM
The soldier in this case is acting like a turd, but that doesn't excuse the equally douchey actions of the land lady.

That said, if she was treating a gay couple differently based on her religious beliefs, there would be ten people defending her for every one attacking her -- the opposite of what you see here. What does that say about us?
 
2012-06-05 07:38:54 AM
so a pacifist is denying a man a place to live, because she doesn't like what he does. what he does is defend her right to be a pacifist. was the asinine tag on vacation?
 
2012-06-05 07:41:56 AM

cassanovascotian: TenJed_77: It's not refusing to rent, it's just warning the possible renter that the environment may not actually be to their liking.

Finally, someone with reading comprehension skills. And seeing how it went unnoticed I thought I might bring it up again.

Um... she didn't rent to the guy, and she left a pretty clear indication as to what the reason was .... so yeah, it kinda is refusing to rent.

The Iraq war was a totally unethical campaign that I was against from the very beginning. That doesn't make this woman any less of a biatch.


From the article:
"It just is not going to be comfortable for us without a doubt. It probably would be better for you to look for a place that is a little bit less politically active and controversial," Roberts told Morgan, according to his complaint. The voicemail was played for the Herald during an interview with Morgan last week at the Boston office of his lawyer, Joseph L. Sulman.
So, these are her exact words apparently, there is not refusing to rent.

Also from the aritcle:
Roberts told the Herald that Morgan was one of 30 people who inquired about the apartment. "We had to choose somebody," she said, declining to take further questions. But she authorized Sulman to release to the Herald a 16-page "response" she sent the lawyer dated May 23, in which she stated Morgan never filled out a rental application. Morgan said he took a rental form but decided not to return it after hearing her voicemail.
He didn't apply he has no case.
 
2012-06-05 07:43:09 AM

GrymRpr: SpaceyCat: There are laws on the books to prevent people from discriminating against protected classes. That being said, there's more than one way to deny renting to someone you don't like without leaving yourself open to law suits.


Yes... It's called the "Circular file cabinet" and have dumped many an app. in one.


Sorry, We rented to someone else.....


How will you tell the world of your grand social engineering experiments you run with the little modicum of power you are afforded in life?
 
2012-06-05 07:52:05 AM

cman: Whatever, dude. Either you are a truther, or you are a man who hates Bush soooooo much that you will fit whatever piece of evidence to suit your hatred


Let's see... I provided two people to support my claim, you provided nothing (well, you provided unsubstantiated character assassination, and then called me names). You're right; you win the debate. I'm just a hater... I planted those two stories in the press years ago, just waiting for this thread.
 
2012-06-05 07:52:07 AM

Crotchrocket Slim:
Because people never join the military when they lack any other real job opportunities, all branches of the military are filled with True Believing Real Americans itching to hop onto landmines like lemmings and end up the next internee at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, right?


Nope, but let's not pretend that signing up because they're unemployed and some guy came along saying "How'd you like to drive a tank instead of that beat up old Civic...?" make them into privileged people for the rest of their days.
 
2012-06-05 08:01:49 AM
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I liked it better when he played for the Indians
 
2012-06-05 08:14:55 AM
"For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us".

What you've done overseas is partake in a series of unjustifiable and morally bankrupt wars of choice which benefit nobody but the giant corporations running America. You have made Americans less safe by your actions. As for "serving" at Guantanamo Bay, don't even get me started. You're an affront to democracy.
 
2012-06-05 08:19:52 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Joce678: FloydA:
2: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.

Bullshiat.

Last time I checked military service was voluntary in the USA and the war started long before most of today's active servicemen signed up for it (they were probably in grade school when 9/11 happened).

Because people never join the military when they lack any other real job opportunities, all branches of the military are filled with True Believing Real Americans itching to hop onto landmines like lemmings and end up the next internee at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, right?


There are many people that join the military out of a sense of tradition or service. There are also a lot more that join to pay for school.
/step dad was a 20 year man
//judge didn't give my cousin a choice
///well not much anyway
 
2012-06-05 08:21:12 AM
She should be allowed to rent or not rent to whomever she damn well pleases.

If she wants to rent to only people who are 5'4 with only 3 inch heels on then fine. It is a stupid choice on her part but hey more power to her.

Likewise if a place wanted to only rent to veterans that should be fine too.
 
2012-06-05 08:23:06 AM

TenJed_77: BradleyUffner: The story never said she REFUSED to rent to him. He picked up an application, then she called him and basically said "You know, the people around here are really politically active, I don't think you would be happy here." Then he decided based on that to not actually turn in the rental application.

This doesn't really sound any different to me that if an elderly person wanted to rent an apartment and the landlord said "There are a TON of kids living around here that make a lot of noise, you may not like it here."

It's not refusing to rent, it's just warning the possible renter that the environment may not actually be to their liking.

Finally, someone with reading comprehension skills. And seeing how it went unnoticed I thought I might bring it up again.



I'll third it. The landlady never refused to rent to him, she just gave him a heads up that it might be socially awkward for all involved if he chose to live there. And he apparently agreed by not actually applying. He was not spit on, figuratively or in any way imaginable. I hadn't realized the Guard issued such frilly, twisted panties.
 
2012-06-05 08:25:20 AM

NetOwl: jaylectricity: "For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.

She looks at you as one of those people that would be OK with killing another human for money.

Soldiers tend to be that, yes.

An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldier or to anyone else who has killed someone. Even if the soldiers didn't start the war, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paid to shoot people.


I seriously hope you two are just trolling, and not just world class assholes.

First of all, we don't kill for money. If we kill, it is from necessity. To stop the other person from killing us. Most soldiers would prefer NOT to kill if they don't have to. The military is in the business of saving lives, not taking them. Every conflict we've been in, EVERY FARKING ONE, has been to STOP aggression. WWI, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan has all been about some group of assholes invading or attacking another group who did not start aggressions. Wether we were fighting Germany, Japan, or kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, it has been about stopping those people from killing, and getting life back to what it was.

We arn't paid to kill. There are no monetary bonuses for every life we end. We are paid for our time and effort. We are paid to sit in the middle of some craptastic desert and make sure no one murders school children, simply because they are females trying to learn. If we kill, it's because we have to. Because there is no other choice. And it is because that we had to kill people, that you have the freedom to express your derp without fear of being disappeared one night. Try refusing to rent to a soldier in China, and see how that goes for you.
 
2012-06-05 08:30:56 AM

Suede head: As for "serving" at Guantanamo Bay, don't even get me started. You're an affront to democracy.


Did you know there's people in there for the heinous crime of wearing the wrong sort of watch. And not just one or two of them.

A decade of kneeling in stress positions in an open cage just for wearing a watch? Team America...!
 
2012-06-05 08:34:24 AM

MythDragon: First of all, we don't kill for money. If we kill, it is from necessity. To stop the other person from killing us.

[snip]

Yeah. Thousands of Iraqis and Afghans came to this country and tried to attack soldiers while they were in their own houses.

The rest of your post was equally vapid. You really don't know anything about the history of your country, or the conflicts it's been involved in.

/vet.
 
2012-06-05 08:43:48 AM
Also, soldiers are much more likely to abuse their wife/girlfriend or be involved in rape or violence. Not exactly the type of person you'd want around.
 
2012-06-05 08:45:34 AM

INTERTRON: They do this not because they are foolish, ignorant or misguided. They do it because someone has to. Without them, we would have no country. You can argue that as tools they are quite frequently misused by their wielder- witness the idiocy of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars- but you do not blame the tool when it causes damage, you blame the holder of the tool...

From a purely objective point of view, this is really begging the question, isn't it?


No. The question was about ranking importance. Being necessarily for the continued existence of a thing is often considered extremely important.
 
2012-06-05 08:48:47 AM

DrPainMD: Wrong. The Taliban offered to capture Bin Laden and hand him over to Saudi Arabia to stand trial (there were multiple offers, from several countries, going back to when Clinton was in office. All were turned down). We then bombed Afghanistan and the offer was rescinded. According to Bush's official, hand-picked biographer, Bush planned on invading both Afghanistan and Iraq even before the election. According to Bush's first Treasury Secretary, Bush, during his first NSC meeting (7 months before 9/11), told the council to prepare for war. The two wars had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 9/11.


You know, I just can't work up the sentiment to feel bad for the Taliban. Considering they were pretty much the definition of walking human rights violations, I don't much care what excuse was used to depose them. I also don't care that the Lend-Lease Act was essentially casus bellum for Germany -- they had it coming, too.
 
2012-06-05 08:50:49 AM
First of all, we don't kill for money


LOL, ask these guys why you kill:

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2012-06-05 08:56:05 AM

serpent_sky: BarkingUnicorn: AbbeySomeone: A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?

I don't see any indication that anyone except the landlady objected to his service.


I wouldn't want to live somewhere where the landlord hated me for any reason.


So minorities shouldn't fight descrimination at places of employment or apartment buildings? Why would they want to work for or live with someone that didn't want them...right?
 
2012-06-05 08:56:24 AM

blahpers: Apart from that, we had an obligation to our embattled allies, and Axis would certainly have attempted a full-scale invasion on the United States as soon as they felt it possible.


Why? Assuming Germany managed to knock Russia out (possible, if they held the US out long enough), why would they attack North America? And how would they do it? The US had the larger Navy, and crossing the North Atlantic with open troop carriers is a lot harder than crossing the Channel in the fog. Even a distracted USN was fully capable of keeping the Germans out of South America.
 
2012-06-05 08:57:36 AM

Flissss: First of all, we don't kill for money


LOL, ask these guys why you kill:

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just possibly the stupidest post of the day but it is still early.

We do buy things from companies to supply the military, we have to. But to say that our troops kill for money is just plain ignorance.
 
2012-06-05 09:04:17 AM

Flissss: First of all, we don't kill for money


LOL, ask these guys why you kill:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x393]


...Medtronic?
 
2012-06-05 09:05:07 AM

chuckufarlie: Flissss: First of all, we don't kill for money


LOL, ask these guys why you kill:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x393]

just possibly the stupidest post of the day but it is still early.

We do buy things from companies to supply the military, we have to. But to say that our troops kill for money is just plain ignorance.


Must be nice to be oblivious. I mean that sincerely. Like being a kid and your biggest worry is where your Lego's are. Ahhh. Carry on busting through doors in Afghanistan/Iraq protecting my freedom. Which actually creates more terrorists plotting to blow up Times Square which results in more laws/cameras/pat downs. So actually, troops are helping take away my rights. Let me guess, you think they hate us for our freedoms?
 
2012-06-05 09:13:23 AM
I think what she's doing is deplorable, but she has the right to rent to whomever she wants to.
 
2012-06-05 09:18:16 AM
Stay classy Libs!
 
2012-06-05 09:21:17 AM

MythDragon: First of all, we don't kill for money. If we kill, it is from necessity. To stop the other person from killing us. Most soldiers would prefer NOT to kill if they don't have to. The military is in the business of saving lives, not taking them. Every conflict we've been in, EVERY FARKING ONE, has been to STOP aggression. WWI, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan has all been about some group of assholes invading or attacking another group who did not start aggressions. Wether we were fighting Germany, Japan, or kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, it has been about stopping those people from killing, and getting life back to what it was.



You forgot the following wars of "Stopping Aggression"

The Revolutionary War, The Second Iraq War, Northwest Indian War, The First, Second and Third Seminole Wars, Winnebago War, The Capture of Monterey, Mexican-American War, Navajo Wars, Cayuse War, Apache Wars, Yakima War, and the Colorado War just to name a few.

And given the variety of atrocities around the world that we conveniently ignore your theory of we go to war to stop aggression seems delusional

Face it, wars are not initiated and not fought with the primary goal of saving people. The purpose of wars is almost universally resource or power related.

This diluted notion that we enter armed conflicts as white knights to save the day is why we are oblivious to our own brand of imperialism
 
2012-06-05 09:31:44 AM

what_now: Wow, this lady is an asshole. Of course, it's in the Herald, so it's probably 100% bullshiat and missing some key bit of information like the guy had 6 pit bulls and bad credit, but on the off chance that it's true, this lady is an asshole.


Sometimes it helps to read the entire article:
Roberts told the Herald that Morgan was one of 30 people who inquired about the apartment. "We had to choose somebody," she said, declining to take further questions. But she authorized Sulman to release to the Herald a 16-page "response" she sent the lawyer dated May 23, in which she stated Morgan never filled out a rental application. Morgan said he took a rental form but decided not to return it after hearing her voicemail. She also cited questions about his ability to pay the rent, what roommates he would have, whether he had issues with a prior landlord, and whether he had been racially insensitive when he mentioned a noise complaint he had with his prior neighbors, who were black. Morgan denied any racist intent in the remark.
 
2012-06-05 09:33:31 AM

Flissss: chuckufarlie: Flissss: First of all, we don't kill for money


LOL, ask these guys why you kill:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x393]

just possibly the stupidest post of the day but it is still early.

We do buy things from companies to supply the military, we have to. But to say that our troops kill for money is just plain ignorance.

Must be nice to be oblivious. I mean that sincerely. Like being a kid and your biggest worry is where your Lego's are. Ahhh. Carry on busting through doors in Afghanistan/Iraq protecting my freedom. Which actually creates more terrorists plotting to blow up Times Square which results in more laws/cameras/pat downs. So actually, troops are helping take away my rights. Let me guess, you think they hate us for our freedoms?


speaking of oblivious, you take the cake. How did you jump from killing for money to creating more terrorists?

You seem to enjoy pointless ranting.
 
2012-06-05 09:35:16 AM

animisparati: I think what she's doing is deplorable, but she has the right to rent to whomever she wants to.


so, if she does not want to rent to Blacks? Or Hispanics?
 
2012-06-05 09:38:38 AM

roddack: MythDragon: First of all, we don't kill for money. If we kill, it is from necessity. To stop the other person from killing us. Most soldiers would prefer NOT to kill if they don't have to. The military is in the business of saving lives, not taking them. Every conflict we've been in, EVERY FARKING ONE, has been to STOP aggression. WWI, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan has all been about some group of assholes invading or attacking another group who did not start aggressions. Wether we were fighting Germany, Japan, or kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, it has been about stopping those people from killing, and getting life back to what it was.


You forgot the following wars of "Stopping Aggression"

The Revolutionary War, The Second Iraq War, Northwest Indian War, The First, Second and Third Seminole Wars, Winnebago War, The Capture of Monterey, Mexican-American War, Navajo Wars, Cayuse War, Apache Wars, Yakima War, and the Colorado War just to name a few.

And given the variety of atrocities around the world that we conveniently ignore your theory of we go to war to stop aggression seems delusional

Face it, wars are not initiated and not fought with the primary goal of saving people. The purpose of wars is almost universally resource or power related.

This diluted notion that we enter armed conflicts as white knights to save the day is why we are oblivious to our own brand of imperialism


I see that you are at it again.

Wars are fought for a variety of reasons. The idea that the purpose is almost universally resource or power related is misleading. Wars have been fought to gain more land for the attacking country. Land is a resource. Your statement discounts wars of aggression as something trivial.
 
2012-06-05 09:40:12 AM

animisparati: I think what she's doing is deplorable, but she has the right to rent to whomever she wants to.


Not under Mass. Gen. Laws Ch. 151B, sec. 4 (6):
"It shall be an unlawful practice...
6. For the owner, lessee, sublessee, licensed real estate broker, assignee or managing agent of publicly assisted or multiple dwelling or contiguously located housing accommodations or other person having the right of ownership or possession or right to rent or lease, or sell or negotiate for the sale of such accommodations, or any agent or employee of such a person, or any organization of unit owners in a condominium or housing cooperative: (a) to refuse to rent or lease or sell or negotiate for sale or otherwise to deny to or withhold from any person or group of persons such accommodations... because such person is a veteran or member of the armed forces..."

What this will hinge on is whether her apartment is under public assistance, is a multiple dwelling housing, or is a set of attached townhouses. As an apartment, it's probably closest to "multiple dwelling", but under Ch. 151B, sec. 1, it needs to be three- family or larger.
If she's an owner-occupied two-family, then she may be okay.
 
2012-06-05 09:44:08 AM

This text is now purple: blahpers: Apart from that, we had an obligation to our embattled allies, and Axis would certainly have attempted a full-scale invasion on the United States as soon as they felt it possible.

Why? Assuming Germany managed to knock Russia out (possible, if they held the US out long enough), why would they attack North America? And how would they do it? The US had the larger Navy, and crossing the North Atlantic with open troop carriers is a lot harder than crossing the Channel in the fog. Even a distracted USN was fully capable of keeping the Germans out of South America.


Why would the Germans attack North America? That is a stupid question. Why did they attack Poland? Why did they attack Norway? Why did they attack Denmark? Why did they attack anybody?

Asking why they would attack North America implies that there was a rational logic to their actions. Hitler was obsessed with running the world. It may have taken a long time but he would have attacked North America at some point. Hitler said as much.

Consider a combined effort by the Japanese and the Germans to attack the USA. It could have been done. Whether or not they succeeded is another question, but they would have attacked at some point.
 
2012-06-05 10:05:08 AM

chuckufarlie: Why would the Germans attack North America? That is a stupid question. Why did they attack Poland? Why did they attack Norway? Why did they attack Denmark? Why did they attack anybody?


Not to mention why did they attack pearl harbor?

/never forget
//stupid hippies
 
2012-06-05 10:06:19 AM

chuckufarlie:
I see that you are at it again.

Wars are fought for a variety of reasons. The idea that the purpose is almost universally resource or power related is misleading. Wars have been fought to gain more land for the attacking country. Land is a resource. Your statement discounts wars of aggression as something trivial.


I can see how that is misleading.

What I was trying to say was that the notion that the US only goes to war to stop aggreerssion is just false given that we have been the aggressor in many instances.

I was not intending to discount wars of agression, or really war in general as something trivial.
 
2012-06-05 10:18:40 AM
Yes, all anybody in the service wants is war so they can go kill women and babies, especially those nasty National Guardsman who pretend to enlist for 'college benefits.' We know the truth, they are all just blood thirsty savages who want nothing more than to rape, pillage, and plunder.

/Dumb, old coont, is a dumb, old coont.
//Rape the shiat out of her at the #6 dance later.
 
2012-06-05 10:41:32 AM

TenJed_77: BradleyUffner: The story never said she REFUSED to rent to him. He picked up an application, then she called him and basically said "You know, the people around here are really politically active, I don't think you would be happy here." Then he decided based on that to not actually turn in the rental application.

This doesn't really sound any different to me that if an elderly person wanted to rent an apartment and the landlord said "There are a TON of kids living around here that make a lot of noise, you may not like it here."

It's not refusing to rent, it's just warning the possible renter that the environment may not actually be to their liking.

Finally, someone with reading comprehension skills. And seeing how it went unnoticed I thought I might bring it up again.


FAIL.

FTFA: "It just is not going to be comfortable for us without a doubt. It probably would be better for you to look for a place that is a little bit less politically active and controversial," Roberts told Morgan, according to his complaint. The voicemail was played for the Herald during an interview with Morgan last week at the Boston office of his lawyer, Joseph L. Sulman.

She is pointing out that she and her merry band will feel unomfortable and that it would be better if he looked for another place. Now, if someone tells you that you living with them will make them unhappy and you had better not, what conclusion do you draw? Perhaps, that they would make him very uncomfortable? That's much closer to a threat than looking out for his well being. You really have to have this stuff spelled out for you?
 
2012-06-05 10:43:38 AM

roddack: chuckufarlie:
I see that you are at it again.

Wars are fought for a variety of reasons. The idea that the purpose is almost universally resource or power related is misleading. Wars have been fought to gain more land for the attacking country. Land is a resource. Your statement discounts wars of aggression as something trivial.

I can see how that is misleading.

What I was trying to say was that the notion that the US only goes to war to stop aggreerssion is just false given that we have been the aggressor in many instances.

I was not intending to discount wars of agression, or really war in general as something trivial.


Then I suggest that you THINK before you type this crap.
 
2012-06-05 11:01:02 AM

roddack: What I was trying to say was that the notion that the US only goes to war to stop aggreerssion is just false given that we have been the aggressor in many instances.


I'm more and more convinced the US goes to war for the same reasons Roman Emperors organized games - to distract the people from the real issues.

Note how the reason for being at war changes over time: It started off saving the world from Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, now it's some humanitarian thing, saving the schoolgirls from the Taliban.

Note that they only go to war against people who can't put up much of a fight. If you want to save people from oppressive regimes there's far worse abuse in places like North Korea. They don't want a real war, just enough of a war to keep the tough-guy wannabe's happy and to instill a sense of unity and patriotism in the populace.

Five trillion dollars* invested in other stuff could have solved the energy crisis, got fission reactors working, made the world a better place to live. What's it bought in reality...? Zip. Nada.

Absolute minimum estimate, could easily be double that in reality
 
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