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2012-06-05 01:32:24 AM

FloydA: Stupid landlady. The Iraq war was stupid and we never should have started it (both of them, really), and Gitmo should be closed and abandoned, I agree.

But 1: your political and social philosophy is not a valid basis for refusing to provide services and
2: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.


Refusing to associate with someone is now a form of punishment?
 
2012-06-05 01:32:28 AM

Cyclometh: This is an interesting argument but doesn't really pass the sniff test. First, the government is the people. Second, a strong military is a requirement for the United States to exist. It does not need to be the massive system it is now, but that is not the fault of the individual soldier.

Without a strong military, the United States would not exist. The ACLU (and I'm a member) does a huge amount to protect rights, but without a military and the people in it, there would be no rights to protect.

Soldiers are instruments of foreign policy. They are, essentially, tools to be used in the promulgation of American interests. They volunteer to be used as a tool, giving up much of their self-determination and many of the rights the rest of us take for granted.

They do this not because they are foolish, ignorant or misguided. They do it because someone has to. Without them, we would have no country. You can argue that as tools they are quite frequently misused by their wielder- witness the idiocy of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars- but you do not blame the tool when it causes damage, you blame the holder of the tool.

The reason many of us chooose to honor veterans and support their inclusion in protected classes is not because of some insipid hero worship or the adulation of violence dreamed up by diseased and simple minds to denigrate their sacrifices.

It's because we recognize that they volunteered to be used in our service and to die in it. If we do not approve of their use, we need look no further than a mirror. But blaming soldiers for the use their leaders put them to is as effective as blaming a hammer for not being an effective screwdriver.


QFT.
 
2012-06-05 01:32:29 AM

Begoggle: Why does everyone have to run to the courts for this crap?
It's not like this is a major systematic problem.
Why would you want to give money to a person who dislikes you?
Tell her to fark off, and rent from one of the EVERY OTHER PLACES who don't have a problem renting to you.
Everyone deals with assholes every day. The proper action is to not do business with them, and get on with your life.
Not run to court & the media.
*waaaaaahhhh she descriminated against me cause I'm a soldier!* Grow up, pansy.


Also the guy is saying "it was like a spit in the face"!

No... it's not like that. The guys coming home from Vietnam got spit in the face.

This guy sounds like a spoiled brat.
 
2012-06-05 01:32:51 AM

Khazar-Khum: TheShavingofOccam123: We're not a police state yet. As long as it is legal for her not to rent to the soldier, then let her do what her conscience tells her.

I don't see much outrage about landlords who gouge military families and all the other businesses who make it there business to separate military people from their pay.

That's the thing. It's not legal to deny him housing based on his military status.


Then fark her.
 
2012-06-05 01:33:30 AM

DrPainMD: Freedom of association is a basic human right, and you're not free if you don't have freedom of association. Wasn't he fighting for freedom? Stop being a douche and find somewhere else to live.


You can only make this argument if you adhere to it consistently. Would you make the same assertion if we were discussing a black man instead of a soldier? A Jew? A gay man?
 
2012-06-05 01:33:41 AM
Did she outright refuse him rental or did she say he probably wouldn't be happy at the apartment? I fail at reading this late.
 
2012-06-05 01:34:09 AM

Cyclometh: "tiger whistle" analogy


What's that?
 
2012-06-05 01:34:47 AM
He's gonna sue her and take the old lady to court? What a typical chickenhawk pansy-ass. Didn't he learn anything in the military? You're suppose to get drunk, wander out of your apartment and then kill everyone in the neighborhood, first. After that, you pee on their corpses.

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2012-06-05 01:35:18 AM

DrPainMD: Refusing to associate with someone is now a form of punishment?


She is refusing to sell him a house based on his background, which is bullshiat, what's wrong with you?
 
2012-06-05 01:35:21 AM

NetOwl: An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldiergay guy or to anyone else who has killedpacked someone's fudge. Even if the soldiershomos didn't start the warchoose that lifestyle, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paidlaid to shoot peopleby a dude.

 
2012-06-05 01:35:34 AM

Great Janitor: . . . and gun carrying Texans waiting for a reason to legally shoot foreigners.


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2012-06-05 01:35:53 AM
*By sell I mean rent and by house I mean apt.
 
2012-06-05 01:36:40 AM

NetOwl: jaylectricity: "For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.

She looks at you as one of those people that would be OK with killing another human for money.

Soldiers tend to be that, yes.

An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldier or to anyone else who has killed someone. Even if the soldiers didn't start the war, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paid to shoot people.


I will refuse not rent a room to anyone who owned a car. Cars produce toxic fumes that destroy the atmosphere and I want nothing to do with that.

/as i have put in another way, now do you see how idiotic your stance is?
 
2012-06-05 01:36:54 AM

imprimere: Again, you replace a soldier with some repressed group member and the landlady with a bigot (which is redundant) and the outrage is unquestionable. Aside from an unfortunate picture, I don't see this guy as being a douche at all.


If a gay black dude tried to rent from David Duke and cried to the media because he politely said to him "uh... just a heads up... I don't think this is gonna work out" I would call them a raging AW douche idiot as well.
 
2012-06-05 01:37:44 AM

Quark_Quasar: El Freak: Mensan: Thank a veteran for protecting your right to be a jerk.

It's sad that people over the age of 10 still believe that. Tell me exactly which country is likely to attempt to invade and overthrow the government anytime soon? The US military fights to defend the foreign policy interests of the United States government. That has jack shiat to do with your rights.

I do wish America would grow up and stop with the damn hero worship of the military.

I dunno, I know a guy from work that served in Iraq, he's not even 30 yet, his hands are ruined from his service, and he's raising 2 kids (one of which isn't his) and doing a damn good job at work at the same time. I don't really care if he protected any one of my rights, I'm glad he's on my side, and he deserves much more respect than he gets. He's done more work in the past 10 years than most Americans will ever do in their life, and he holds no qualms about it.


If you meet a guy who shoved two hands into a wood chipper of his own free will, do you hold him in as much regard?
 
2012-06-05 01:37:54 AM

here to help: Begoggle: Why does everyone have to run to the courts for this crap?
It's not like this is a major systematic problem.
Why would you want to give money to a person who dislikes you?
Tell her to fark off, and rent from one of the EVERY OTHER PLACES who don't have a problem renting to you.
Everyone deals with assholes every day. The proper action is to not do business with them, and get on with your life.
Not run to court & the media.
*waaaaaahhhh she descriminated against me cause I'm a soldier!* Grow up, pansy.

Also the guy is saying "it was like a spit in the face"!

No... it's not like that. The guys coming home from Vietnam got spit in the face.

This guy sounds like a spoiled brat.


No, they didn't. The "spit in the face" thing is a complete fabrication. To date not one verified/corroborated account of something like that happening has been brought to light.

Vietnam vets got treated badly in a ton of ways, but that was not one of them.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:02 AM

madparrot: NetOwl: An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldiergay guy or to anyone else who has killedpacked someone's fudge. Even if the soldiershomos didn't start the warchoose that lifestyle, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paidlaid to shoot peopleby a dude.


Uh, what? Renting out a room in your own house seems a bit different. There's all kinds of people I wouldn't rent a room in my house to. Hell, I wouldn't rent a room in my house to a person that like Nickelback or someone who smelled bad.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:32 AM

jaylectricity: "For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.


The US still has a large class of veterans who were subject to a draft. Many did not, in fact, have a choice.
 
2012-06-05 01:38:43 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Don't we have an amendment specifically supporting this lady's decision? It's like, the 6th amendment: no room and board for redcoats, or some shiat. Semper Fi!


As strange as that sounds, you might actually have a point, depending on the nature of the apartment. There used to be an exception to fair housing if the landlord was an occupant at the same residence and it was under a certain size, and a law that specifically reversed that for military personnel without covering everyone might be in trouble. I don't know if that exemption is still on the books though.
 
2012-06-05 01:39:29 AM

TheJoe03: Cyclometh: "tiger whistle" analogy

What's that?


Person A: I've got a tiger whistle. I blow it and it keeps the tigers away.

Person B: But there aren't any tigers here.

Person A: See how well it works?
 
2012-06-05 01:40:09 AM

here to help: imprimere: Again, you replace a soldier with some repressed group member and the landlady with a bigot (which is redundant) and the outrage is unquestionable. Aside from an unfortunate picture, I don't see this guy as being a douche at all.

If a gay black dude tried to rent from David Duke and cried to the media because he politely said to him "uh... just a heads up... I don't think this is gonna work out" I would call them a raging AW douche idiot as well.


And I see you have completely jumped the shark.
 
2012-06-05 01:40:37 AM

blahpers: Quark_Quasar: El Freak: Mensan: Thank a veteran for protecting your right to be a jerk.

It's sad that people over the age of 10 still believe that. Tell me exactly which country is likely to attempt to invade and overthrow the government anytime soon? The US military fights to defend the foreign policy interests of the United States government. That has jack shiat to do with your rights.

I do wish America would grow up and stop with the damn hero worship of the military.

I dunno, I know a guy from work that served in Iraq, he's not even 30 yet, his hands are ruined from his service, and he's raising 2 kids (one of which isn't his) and doing a damn good job at work at the same time. I don't really care if he protected any one of my rights, I'm glad he's on my side, and he deserves much more respect than he gets. He's done more work in the past 10 years than most Americans will ever do in their life, and he holds no qualms about it.

If you meet a guy who shoved two hands into a wood chipper of his own free will, do you hold him in as much regard?


No, but I'd probably ask him why he shoved his hands into a wood chipper for no reason. Also, I'd mention to him how somebody on the internet asked me once what I would do in such a situation.

Luckily, I haven't, so I won't worry about it. Still thankful for people who put their lives on the line (whether it's needed or not).
 
2012-06-05 01:41:12 AM

IamAwake: I'm a vet. My brother was stationed at GITMO. I buy at least 1 beer for any active serviceperson I see in a bar. I donate money. Blah etc.

but...

I don't think the landlady should be forced to bring people in that disagree with her ideals. She's trying to set up a particular vibe there, and hey - ok, why not. Where's the line between that and a large apartment building, etc? Dunno - but if it's just a small building where everyone knows everyone, and she wants everyone to like everyone, then...meh. MEH. meh.

I actually think it looks worse for him to sue her over it, than it does for her to have done it. Meh.


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ok, this is how the Federal Fair Housing Act works. If the building is a house, and the owner of the house lives in the house, then they are allowed to discriminate against anyone they choose. If they do not live in the house, then they can not discriminate against anyone for any reason. If it is a large building constituting a public property, then again no discrimination.

Not sure about the state law mentioned in the article, or why it is even needed since the Federal law comes into play in this case.
 
2012-06-05 01:41:54 AM

cman: NetOwl: jaylectricity: "For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.

She looks at you as one of those people that would be OK with killing another human for money.

Soldiers tend to be that, yes.

An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldier or to anyone else who has killed someone. Even if the soldiers didn't start the war, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paid to shoot people.

I will refuse not rent a room to anyone who owned a car. Cars produce toxic fumes that destroy the atmosphere and I want nothing to do with that.

/as i have put in another way, now do you see how idiotic your stance is?


Why do I even attempt to type when I am on my iPad. Ffs
 
2012-06-05 01:42:33 AM
Speaking as a veteran, I'd tell the coont to go fark herself, then I'd take my money elsewhere. It really is that simple.
 
2012-06-05 01:43:32 AM
conflict of interests

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You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2012-06-05 01:44:15 AM

Great Justice: Being in the military isn't like being a member of a race. People aren't born into the military. American soldiers all made a choice to join.

If we can't judge people based on their choices, what can we judge them on?


Outcomes of choices, not the choices themselves. That's what. Is a soldier still an Iraqi baby killer even if he or she never left the states and was just a desk jockey? In this landbiatch's mind they are. It's obvious she doesn't discriminate in her discrimination.

Good luck soldier. This will be a closely watched case for a lot of people.
 
2012-06-05 01:44:22 AM
"This bodes the question, 'Why would someone like Joel Morgan, who apparently fought so valiently (sic) in wars in which he believed, want to even choose to subject himself to renting an apartment from people - like myself - who were so vigorously seeking an end to the Iraq War??'

Probably because he wanted somewhere to live, you vapid biatch, and maybe he thought that people like you, who wanted to end the Iraq war, might be willing to give him a home when he came back from it.

whether he had been racially insensitive when he mentioned a noise complaint he had with his prior neighbors, who were black. Morgan denied any racist intent in the remark.

What, it was an accident that a totally non-germane quality of a person vis-a-vis their noise level, namely their blackness, just fell out of your mouth?

Stories in which every party seems to be a complete coont that just says absolutely stupid shiat as if the crap that makes sense in their head makes sense to everybody: This one.
 
2012-06-05 01:44:31 AM

cman: cman: NetOwl: jaylectricity: "For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.

She looks at you as one of those people that would be OK with killing another human for money.

Soldiers tend to be that, yes.

An apartment complex is one thing, but I would never consider renting out a room in my house to a soldier or to anyone else who has killed someone. Even if the soldiers didn't start the war, they still (all of them!) said that they'd be just peachy wih getting paid to shoot people.

I will refuse not rent a room to anyone who owned a car. Cars produce toxic fumes that destroy the atmosphere and I want nothing to do with that.

/as i have put in another way, now do you see how idiotic your stance is?

Why do I even attempt to type when I am on my iPad. Ffs


I had to get a little Belkin bluetooth keyboard thingy. It's part of the cover, works a treat.
 
2012-06-05 01:44:37 AM

Cyclometh: No, they didn't. The "spit in the face" thing is a complete fabrication. To date not one verified/corroborated account of something like that happening has been brought to light.

Vietnam vets got treated badly in a ton of ways, but that was not one of them.


I doubt that not a single one of those Nam boys got a loogie launched at them sometime somewhere after they got back... but that doesn't matter. You agree they got treated like sacks of crap when they returned.

The point is... this guy doesn't have it so tough. He should find a better cause to make a ruckus about if he wants my respect. He isn't going to get it harassing some old hippie lady.
 
2012-06-05 01:45:14 AM

here to help: Oh ferchrissakes. She didn't refuse to rent to him because he's a veteran. He didn't even finish applying! This guy is a litigious drama queen and is a disgrace to the uniform.

But hey... looks like the press is vetting a new poster boy for "DURRR, SUPPORT DA TROOPS!!"

Pathetic.


Actually the voice message she supposedly left him said that's exactly why she wouldn't rent to him.
 
2012-06-05 01:46:11 AM
An awful lot of false equivalency going on here. Volunteer soldier--or even ex-soldier--is now just as protected a class as ethnicity or homosexuality? Where, exactly, is the line of demarcation beyond which it is okay to discriminate against someone? I assume that it exists, or else someone somewhere would be getting sued for not renting to a guy because he murdered a bus full of nuns and escaped prison.

He signed up to be a soldier. You are free to praise him for it, damn him for it, or anything in between. But it was his decision, and while it entitles him to benefits from the government he served, it does not entitle him to anything from private citizens beyond that which the law requires.

Besides, read the damn article. At this point, he doesn't even want to live there--who would? 95% of places would jump on the chance to rent to a veteran. He just wants to show up the dirty hippie and maybe get a payday out of it. I have no sympathy for him.
 
2012-06-05 01:46:22 AM

El Freak: It's sad that people over the age of 10 still believe that. Tell me exactly which country is likely to attempt to invade and overthrow the government anytime soon?


You could argue Mexico is doing that now, considering their official support for illegal emigration to the US.
 
2012-06-05 01:46:25 AM

imprimere: And I see you have completely jumped the shark.


There's no pleasing you.

*fart*
 
2012-06-05 01:46:32 AM

Could we just make every entry in this thread

Reductio ad absurdum
 
2012-06-05 01:48:41 AM

david_gaithersburg: IamAwake: I'm a vet. My brother was stationed at GITMO. I buy at least 1 beer for any active serviceperson I see in a bar. I donate money. Blah etc.

but...

I don't think the landlady should be forced to bring people in that disagree with her ideals. She's trying to set up a particular vibe there, and hey - ok, why not. Where's the line between that and a large apartment building, etc? Dunno - but if it's just a small building where everyone knows everyone, and she wants everyone to like everyone, then...meh. MEH. meh.

I actually think it looks worse for him to sue her over it, than it does for her to have done it. Meh.

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ok, this is how the Federal Fair Housing Act works. If the building is a house, and the owner of the house lives in the house, then they are allowed to discriminate against anyone they choose. If they do not live in the house, then they can not discriminate against anyone for any reason. If it is a large building constituting a public property, then again no discrimination.

Not sure about the state law mentioned in the article, or why it is even needed since the Federal law comes into play in this case.


So homeless crack addicts with no job are welcome then?
 
2012-06-05 01:48:53 AM

Loki-L: BarkingUnicorn: "Morgan filed suit last week in Suffolk Superior Court, accusing Roberts of violating a state law that prohibits landlords from refusing to rent to veterans."

It's really sad that such a law was ever considered necessary.

It sounds unconstitutional too. Specifically the 3rd Amendment says that government can't force citizens in peacetime to quarter soldiers.


Have you read the 3rd Amendment? Let me refresh your memory:

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

And the manner prescribed by law is you can not refuse to rent to a veteran so long as he meets all other qualifications, e.g. has the deposit and clears the credit check. Also, he's a veteran, which implies he is no longer on active duty.
 
2012-06-05 01:48:54 AM

here to help: Cyclometh: No, they didn't. The "spit in the face" thing is a complete fabrication. To date not one verified/corroborated account of something like that happening has been brought to light.

Vietnam vets got treated badly in a ton of ways, but that was not one of them.

I doubt that not a single one of those Nam boys got a loogie launched at them sometime somewhere after they got back... but that doesn't matter. You agree they got treated like sacks of crap when they returned.

The point is... this guy doesn't have it so tough. He should find a better cause to make a ruckus about if he wants my respect. He isn't going to get it harassing some old hippie lady.


Discrimination is wrong, it is anti-American and principled individuals should never turn a blind eye to it. Whether a small act or a gross one, it is wrong and should not be tolerated in this country.
 
2012-06-05 01:50:16 AM

Refudiated Strategerist: If only he had filled out the application prior to his media and legal complaints. I would think at this point her message to him is just conversation, not a legal rejection since there was no application to legally reject.

As was earlier pointed out...it should be interesting as the patriot supporters collide with the free market supporters.


Except we don't have a free market when it comes housing, as illustrated by this story. In a free market she'd have nothing to worry about.
 
2012-06-05 01:51:48 AM

morgantx: China, Iran, North Korea, Cuba. Now none of those countries are likely to attempt an invasion NOW, but if we suddenly decided to mothball all of our military equipment and laid off everyone who's ever served in uniform, any of those nations (and probably more than a few others) would be scrambling to see who could get here first.


Seriously? You really believe that? SCRAMBLING?
 
2012-06-05 01:52:23 AM

srtpointman: here to help: Oh ferchrissakes. She didn't refuse to rent to him because he's a veteran. He didn't even finish applying! This guy is a litigious drama queen and is a disgrace to the uniform.

But hey... looks like the press is vetting a new poster boy for "DURRR, SUPPORT DA TROOPS!!"

Pathetic.

Actually the voice message she supposedly left him said that's exactly why she wouldn't rent to him.


That article, which is trying to demonize her, says she just told him he might not fit in. It really sounds like she was just trying to not waste his time. Personally I'd rather a landlord tell me that sh*t up front so... well so I don't waste my god damned time.

Meh... maybe I'd change my mind after I heard the actual message she left. Maybe she is a snotty moonbat. I still think it's a stupid thing for a soldier to cry to the press about.
 
2012-06-05 01:52:36 AM

butt-nuggets: david_gaithersburg: IamAwake: I'm a vet. My brother was stationed at GITMO. I buy at least 1 beer for any active serviceperson I see in a bar. I donate money. Blah etc.

but...

I don't think the landlady should be forced to bring people in that disagree with her ideals. She's trying to set up a particular vibe there, and hey - ok, why not. Where's the line between that and a large apartment building, etc? Dunno - but if it's just a small building where everyone knows everyone, and she wants everyone to like everyone, then...meh. MEH. meh.

I actually think it looks worse for him to sue her over it, than it does for her to have done it. Meh.

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ok, this is how the Federal Fair Housing Act works. If the building is a house, and the owner of the house lives in the house, then they are allowed to discriminate against anyone they choose. If they do not live in the house, then they can not discriminate against anyone for any reason. If it is a large building constituting a public property, then again no discrimination.

Not sure about the state law mentioned in the article, or why it is even needed since the Federal law comes into play in this case.

So homeless crack addicts with no job are welcome then?


If they have no job, then how are they going to make the rent? Even those apartments that have the $1 move in special with all bills paid aren't going to let someone with no job, crack addict or not, move in. Yeah, it might be illegal (not a law expert) to descriminate because someone is a drug user, but if the contract you sign states that you will pay $X upon move in and $Y each month and you can not prove you have the income to pay $X and $Y then you aren't moving in.
 
2012-06-05 01:52:36 AM
"First of all, you don't ask the questions around here. I do. Second, we don't want guys like you in this town, drifters. Third, you wouldn't like it here anyway. Its a pretty boring town. I get paid to keep it that way."

/not that obscure
 
2012-06-05 01:53:28 AM

Cyclometh:
I had to get a little Belkin bluetooth keyboard thingy. It's part of the cover, works a treat.


Totally off topic, but when you start adding peripherals like the keyboard, headphones, etc., aren't you just kinda building a laptop? I've never really understood the tablet craze.
 
2012-06-05 01:53:53 AM

butt-nuggets: david_gaithersburg: IamAwake: I'm a vet. My brother was stationed at GITMO. I buy at least 1 beer for any active serviceperson I see in a bar. I donate money. Blah etc.

but...

I don't think the landlady should be forced to bring people in that disagree with her ideals. She's trying to set up a particular vibe there, and hey - ok, why not. Where's the line between that and a large apartment building, etc? Dunno - but if it's just a small building where everyone knows everyone, and she wants everyone to like everyone, then...meh. MEH. meh.

I actually think it looks worse for him to sue her over it, than it does for her to have done it. Meh.

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ok, this is how the Federal Fair Housing Act works. If the building is a house, and the owner of the house lives in the house, then they are allowed to discriminate against anyone they choose. If they do not live in the house, then they can not discriminate against anyone for any reason. If it is a large building constituting a public property, then again no discrimination.

Not sure about the state law mentioned in the article, or why it is even needed since the Federal law comes into play in this case.

So homeless crack addicts with no job are welcome then?


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I stand corrected. Per usual with Fed law some people are indeed more equal than others, she is allowed to discriminate against him.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing _ equal_opp/FHLaws
 
2012-06-05 01:54:35 AM

Cyclometh: Discrimination is wrong, it is anti-American and principled individuals should never turn a blind eye to it. Whether a small act or a gross one, it is wrong and should not be tolerated in this country.


Sure, but this man was being judged by his actions and his character. Not his race, gender or sexual orientation.
 
2012-06-05 01:55:37 AM

zzrhardy: "First of all, you don't ask the questions around here. I do. Second, we don't want guys like you in this town, drifters. Third, you wouldn't like it here anyway. Its a pretty boring town. I get paid to keep it that way."

/not that obscure


Awesome.
 
2012-06-05 01:58:36 AM

imprimere: Cyclometh:
I had to get a little Belkin bluetooth keyboard thingy. It's part of the cover, works a treat.

Totally off topic, but when you start adding peripherals like the keyboard, headphones, etc., aren't you just kinda building a laptop? I've never really understood the tablet craze.


A tablet with headphones, that's cool. Listen to music without bothering people. No problem with that. I do, however, agree with you about the keyboard for a tablet. If I am honestly going to do so much typing that I need a real keyboard, I'm getting my laptop and putting down the ipad.

Now, the tablet is great for the super light weight computer if you are in a job where you move around a lot. I just don't like how limited they are. If the ipad is going to be the PC killer that Steve Jobs wanted it to be, it's going to need to open enough to do what PCs do and have specs to rival PCs.
 
2012-06-05 01:59:24 AM
So where are the conservatives defending this woman for running her business as she sees fit??
 
2012-06-05 02:00:40 AM

Quark_Quasar: blahpers: Quark_Quasar: El Freak: Mensan: Thank a veteran for protecting your right to be a jerk.

It's sad that people over the age of 10 still believe that. Tell me exactly which country is likely to attempt to invade and overthrow the government anytime soon? The US military fights to defend the foreign policy interests of the United States government. That has jack shiat to do with your rights.

I do wish America would grow up and stop with the damn hero worship of the military.

I dunno, I know a guy from work that served in Iraq, he's not even 30 yet, his hands are ruined from his service, and he's raising 2 kids (one of which isn't his) and doing a damn good job at work at the same time. I don't really care if he protected any one of my rights, I'm glad he's on my side, and he deserves much more respect than he gets. He's done more work in the past 10 years than most Americans will ever do in their life, and he holds no qualms about it.

If you meet a guy who shoved two hands into a wood chipper of his own free will, do you hold him in as much regard?

No, but I'd probably ask him why he shoved his hands into a wood chipper for no reason. Also, I'd mention to him how somebody on the internet asked me once what I would do in such a situation.


I ask the same thing of veterans, if we know each other well enough to avoid offending each other with such a discussion. I usually get one of three answers: "to serve my country", "to pay for college", or "because I was young and stupid". Sometimes a combination thereof. Nobody ever comes out and says "because I like shooting people and this way it's legal and I get paid for it", but such people exist too, and the military employs such people by design. None of these answers except the fourth one strikes me as rational in recent context. I'm glad that there are people irrational enough to join the military anyway, if only because we do require a standing military for defense purposes, but on an individual basis it strikes me as either foolish or insane.

Luckily, I haven't, so I won't worry about it. Still thankful for people who put their lives on the line (whether it's needed or not).

I'm quizzical about the bolded part. If someone risks their life for no need at all, isn't he usually considered some either foolish or insane?
 
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