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(Boston Herald)   Pacifist landlady says renting to soldier presents conflict of interest. Lawsuit and front page newspaper outrage ensue   (bostonherald.com) divider line 346
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2012-06-04 05:34:17 PM
"Morgan filed suit last week in Suffolk Superior Court, accusing Roberts of violating a state law that prohibits landlords from refusing to rent to veterans."

It's really sad that such a law was ever considered necessary.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-06-04 05:49:46 PM
What a farking biatch.
 
2012-06-04 05:51:46 PM
It's people like that that give pacifists a bad name. He's obviously not killing anyone IN the apartment, so what the hell? It's all well and good to have a specific dogma, it's not all well and good to use your authority to require others to adhere to it (especially if what they're doing is not illegal)
 
2012-06-04 06:06:18 PM
I wouldn't rent to fat people, but I'd never admit that publicly. The woman's a moran.
 
2012-06-04 06:06:39 PM
Stupid landlady. The Iraq war was stupid and we never should have started it (both of them, really), and Gitmo should be closed and abandoned, I agree.

But 1: your political and social philosophy is not a valid basis for refusing to provide services and
2: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.
 
2012-06-04 06:13:30 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "Morgan filed suit last week in Suffolk Superior Court, accusing Roberts of violating a state law that prohibits landlords from refusing to rent to veterans."

It's really sad that such a law was ever considered necessary.


It's sad that we have this law and yet discrimination on sexual preference isn't illegal nation wide.
 
2012-06-04 06:14:59 PM

MBK: What a farking biatch.

 
2012-06-04 06:20:02 PM
So? We have doctors refusing care based on their personal morals. How is this surprising?
 
2012-06-04 06:20:11 PM

FloydA: Stupid landlady. The Iraq war was stupid and we never should have started it (both of them, really), and Gitmo should be closed and abandoned, I agree.

But 1: your political and social philosophy is not a valid basis for refusing to provide services and
2: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.


Bush is a veteran, too.
 
2012-06-04 06:22:03 PM

ToxicMunkee: So? We have doctors refusing care based on their personal morals. How is this surprising?


No no now, that's the Christian thing to do.
 
2012-06-04 06:22:32 PM
Conflict of interest is the wrong term. If she had a second business that made money off homeless veterans, that would be a conflict of interest (she'd want to deny housing to Veteran A because it would be in her financial interest)

In this case she can appeal to freedom of conscience, but it's going to go the way of all those pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions -- if you know housing Veteran A is in the job description, then do the hard-but-right thing (in your view) and don't take the job.
 
2012-06-04 06:44:44 PM

ArkAngel: FloydA: Stupid landlady. The Iraq war was stupid and we never should have started it (both of them, really), and Gitmo should be closed and abandoned, I agree.

But 1: your political and social philosophy is not a valid basis for refusing to provide services and
2: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.

Bush is a veteran, too.


Yeah, but I don't think he's looking to rent an apartment in Dorchester.
 
2012-06-04 08:46:30 PM
Wow, this lady is an asshole. Of course, it's in the Herald, so it's probably 100% bullshiat and missing some key bit of information like the guy had 6 pit bulls and bad credit, but on the off chance that it's true, this lady is an asshole.
 
2012-06-04 08:56:47 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: MBK: What a farking biatch.


Why? For stating the feelings of the collective building? Some people have very strong issues with the war and choose to live in an environment where they are not subjected to reminders.
Landlady should have never admitted the reason although it is valid.
 
2012-06-04 09:02:11 PM
A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?
 
2012-06-04 09:11:12 PM

AbbeySomeone: A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?


I don't see any indication that anyone except the landlady objected to his service.
 
2012-06-04 09:35:13 PM

what_now: Wow, this lady is an asshole. Of course, it's in the Herald, so it's probably 100% bullshiat and missing some key bit of information like the guy had 6 pit bulls and bad credit, but on the off chance that it's true, this lady is an asshole.


That's my reaction as well - the article appears to be rather biased, and so it's hard to take it at face value. If it is, indeed, as it seems at face value, well, she's an idiot and should be legally smacked.
 
2012-06-04 09:38:09 PM
Both of them are idiots.
 
2012-06-04 10:07:38 PM

BarkingUnicorn: AbbeySomeone: A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?

I don't see any indication that anyone except the landlady objected to his service.



I wouldn't want to live somewhere where the landlord hated me for any reason.
 
2012-06-04 10:38:22 PM

serpent_sky: BarkingUnicorn: AbbeySomeone: A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?

I don't see any indication that anyone except the landlady objected to his service.


I wouldn't want to live somewhere where the landlord hated me for any reason.


Very true. I just wanted to correct the misperception that others in the building hated him.

Actually, it's not clear from TFA if this "property" is an apartment building. Might be the old biddy's home with an apartment in it. That would be even more awkward.
 
2012-06-04 10:40:31 PM
How is this any different from not wanting to rent your place to a rabid pack of uni students? Or Junkies? Or Soldiers from other countries? Or people with kids? It's her property, she gets to decide who rents it. A stupid reason, mind, but it's still her property.
 
2012-06-04 10:42:43 PM

serpent_sky: BarkingUnicorn: AbbeySomeone: A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?

I don't see any indication that anyone except the landlady objected to his service.


I wouldn't want to live somewhere where the landlord hated me for any reason.


And if you let the haters win? Well, then we've all lost.

/the very reason for fighting things like this
 
2012-06-04 10:45:47 PM
"For her to do that to me, it was like a spit in the face," Morgan said. "For what we have gone through overseas, to come home to our country and have people ... discriminate against us. ... It made me extremely insecure about being a soldier."

You chose to go through that, and you were probably lied to about why you were there. You're not a protected class. Protected classes are protected because they have no choice to be who they are.

She looks at you as one of those people that would be OK with killing another human for money.
 
2012-06-04 11:11:01 PM
There are laws on the books to prevent people from discriminating against protected classes. That being said, there's more than one way to deny renting to someone you don't like without leaving yourself open to law suits.

As others have said, this is the Herald. That tells me that maybe 20% of that article is true...
 
2012-06-04 11:16:07 PM
I'm gonna say it, and I'm only gonna say it once:

<cartman>

GODDAMN STINKING FILTHY HIPPIES!!!1

</cartman>
 
2012-06-04 11:17:46 PM
Renting to a military man seems like the lease of her worries. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

- Goes back to hating self.
 
2012-06-05 12:36:15 AM
We're not a police state yet. As long as it is legal for her not to rent to the soldier, then let her do what her conscience tells her.

I don't see much outrage about landlords who gouge military families and all the other businesses who make it there business to separate military people from their pay.
 
2012-06-05 12:39:31 AM

FloydA: The Guardsman is not the person who started the war, so you're punishing the wrong person.


This. She should refuse to rent to the politicians who started these stupid wars.
 
2012-06-05 12:40:27 AM
Don't we have an amendment specifically supporting this lady's decision? It's like, the 6th amendment: no room and board for redcoats, or some shiat. Semper Fi!
 
2012-06-05 12:41:18 AM

snuff3r: How is this any different from not wanting to rent your place to a rabid pack of uni students?


This is beyond the pale. Go fark yourself.
 
2012-06-05 12:42:40 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: We're not a police state yet. As long as it is legal for her not to rent to the soldier, then let her do what her conscience tells her.

I don't see much outrage about landlords who gouge military families and all the other businesses who make it there business to separate military people from their pay.


That's the thing. It's not legal to deny him housing based on his military status.
 
2012-06-05 12:43:03 AM
You can reject an applicant for any reason you like...so long as you don't tell them why you really did.
 
2012-06-05 12:43:37 AM
I love liberals like her who believe in diversity and tolerance for all.
 
2012-06-05 12:45:09 AM
Oh ferchrissakes. She didn't refuse to rent to him because he's a veteran. He didn't even finish applying! This guy is a litigious drama queen and is a disgrace to the uniform.

But hey... looks like the press is vetting a new poster boy for "DURRR, SUPPORT DA TROOPS!!"

Pathetic.
 
2012-06-05 12:48:09 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "Morgan filed suit last week in Suffolk Superior Court, accusing Roberts of violating a state law that prohibits landlords from refusing to rent to veterans."

It's really sad that such a law was ever considered necessary.


Yes. Landlords should reserve the right to refuse to rent to anyone, regardless of military service. Why do Republicans hate the Free Market?
 
2012-06-05 12:49:14 AM

here to help: Oh ferchrissakes. She didn't refuse to rent to him because he's a veteran. He didn't even finish applying! This guy is a litigious drama queen and is a disgrace to the uniform.

But hey... looks like the press is vetting a new poster boy for "DURRR, SUPPORT DA TROOPS!!"

Pathetic.


So if a landlord were to leave a voicemail to a (gay person, black person, woman, etc) that had just picked up an application that discouraged them from turning it in, they shouldn't be upset either?

Buy some property, and try it. You'll be hearing from the state or court system in no time.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:18 AM

SpaceyCat: There are laws on the books to prevent people from discriminating against protected classes. That being said, there's more than one way to deny renting to someone you don't like without leaving yourself open to law suits.

As others have said, this is the Herald. That tells me that maybe 20% of that article is true...


Actually it seems to say a WHOLE lot denouncing the soldiers claim he was discriminated... yanno after the first couple of misleading and rage inducing paragraphs... but I don't think this article was written for those who read past the first few lines.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:27 AM
She said that on a voicemail?

Oh, honey...
 
2012-06-05 12:49:32 AM
It's threads like this that make it so easy to figure out who the barking mad dumbshiats are.
 
2012-06-05 12:49:57 AM

snuff3r: How is this any different from not wanting to rent your place to a rabid pack of uni students? Or Junkies? Or Soldiers from other countries? Or people with kids? It's her property, she gets to decide who rents it. A stupid reason, mind, but it's still her property.


Because Amurca, that's why.
 
2012-06-05 12:50:41 AM
Actually, this could be kind of fun. Is he a vet, or a current member of the military? If the latter, we my actually have a third amendment case on our hands. To my knowledge, there's never actually been a case that used it, and I'd kind of given up hope that we'd ever see one. Potential amusement.
 
2012-06-05 12:51:02 AM
Hell, now that I think about it, if this is an actual law, she could use the oft-neglected 3rd Amendment right to not having to quarter troops in your home during peacetime as a defense!
 
2012-06-05 12:52:14 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Don't we have an amendment specifically supporting this lady's decision? It's like, the 6th amendment: no room and board for redcoats, or some shiat. Semper Fi!


ok.. I'll bite.

Third Amendment, not Sixth, and not applicable because of him not being ordered by military command to take occupancy?
 
2012-06-05 12:52:37 AM
Being in the military isn't like being a member of a race. People aren't born into the military. American soldiers all made a choice to join.

If we can't judge people based on their choices, what can we judge them on?
 
2012-06-05 12:53:51 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "Morgan filed suit last week in Suffolk Superior Court, accusing Roberts of violating a state law that prohibits landlords from refusing to rent to veterans."

It's really sad that such a law was ever considered necessary.


It sounds unconstitutional too. Specifically the 3rd Amendment says that government can't force citizens in peacetime to quarter soldiers.
 
2012-06-05 12:54:25 AM
Just because you think you occupy the moral high ground doesn't keep you from being perceived as an asshole.

FInd another place. It isn't wise to stay where you aren't welcome.
 
2012-06-05 12:56:16 AM

buzzcut73: So if a landlord were to leave a voicemail to a (gay person, black person, woman, etc) that had just picked up an application that discouraged them from turning it in, they shouldn't be upset either?

Buy some property, and try it. You'll be hearing from the state or court system in no time.


It certainly wasn't wise of her to do that but at least she's honest.

And she seems to have a whole slew of OTHER reasons not to rent to him anyway. Frankly the guy sounds like an enormous hassle. Unfortunately for her she told the truth about her feelings.

Moral of the story... never tell the truth... especially if you're a libtard.
 
2012-06-05 12:56:45 AM
This is like an anti-choice loon not renting to single females who use birf control.
 
2012-06-05 12:57:07 AM

AbbeySomeone: A better idea is to let him move into a building where he is hated for his service, right?


So if I had an apartment full of whitetrash redneck jerks it would be okay for me to refuse to allow a gay or black couple.....right? How about instead the people living there get over it. What this lady and people like this fear is that the neighbors are going to maybe find out this guy is a normal guy with a normal life. Not some killing machine baby killer they have imaged. People fear that, they fear have their beliefs about a group of people changed by finding out that a member of the group they don't like ... is human with both good and bad qualities. I should know as a landlord in the mostly white area that has rented to a minorities in the past. I got one renter who pulled the "I don't want those people living next to me" when I moved a black family in the duplex next to him. My answer to them is get bend and find a new rental property. Funny thing is that after they moved in, he learned that they were a normal happy family, not the drugged out and playing rap music all night renter he though they were. Never heard another peep out of the guy about the black family and they have been neighbors for over 3 years.
 
2012-06-05 12:57:17 AM

SpaceyCat: That tells me that maybe 20% of that article is true...


The thing this all hinges on is whether he's actually got her on voicemail saying it.

And apparently he has. And rather respond saying it's not true, she releases a 16 page "paper" explaining her POV, which he can turn around and use against her.

She's hosed.
 
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