*sad*

The charges are third-degree felonies and could result in up to five years in prison.


Really? If you torture and kill an animal to death, it's a very small step to do the same to a human.

Thus I propose the penalty be similar. What would they get for torturing babies to death? Knock off months to pander to idiots who think humans are better than animals and give them THAT sentence.

Those are Real Men™

I wonder if they also tend to set fires and wet their bed until a late age. That's the triumverate of behaviors often exhibited by budding serial killers.

This is my tortoise Archibald:


He is adorable and awesome and I'd be sad if someone tried to smoosh him.

:(

/He's changed so much....

F*cking worthless losers.

Those three turtles would have benefited society far more than these asshats ever will.

imprimere: Your logic is so brilliant. One crime must lead to another. So, the second you ever jay walked, sped, stole a toy that wasn't yours when you were a kid,etc. - you should go ahead and get life and save everyone some time!

He's referring to the close link between torturing animals and serial murderers (and other psychopathic individuals). Every budding psychopath started somewhere.

Spanky McStupid: Mind if I torture them first?

I'm kind of curious. If you were in a position to do so, would you actually torture somebody?

ackb4r: What the fark is wrong with people?

Florida, aparently.

imprimere: Trying to punish "future crimes" is asinine.

Well, he didn't actually propose that. He's proposing changing the punishment for present crimes so that it is harsher.

G2V: I propose letting an alligator snapping turtle see 'what happens' when it plays with him.

I dunno, that's probably not good for the turtle's digestion.

Darkraven: From the comments:

Jason Penner at 3:24 PM June 4, 2012

Dalton's home address is: 137 Yucca St, Middleburg, Fl 32068
Michael's home address is: 3244 Searchwood Dr, Jacksonville, Fl 32277

Do as you wish.

Lovely.

NO, it isn't! There might well be innocent people living at those addresses.

They should be sentenced to saying 'torturing tortoises' over and over for the next 5 years.

And then they should be castrated by snapping turtle so they don't reproduce.

RexTalionis: imprimere: Trying to punish "future crimes" is asinine.

Well, he didn't actually propose that. He's proposing changing the punishment for present crimes so that it is harsher.

They're charged with killing an endangered animal AND felony animal cruelty, two separate charges each bearing a five-year max. That's ten years. Multiply by two tortoises.

Feel better?

ph0rk: Where is the line?

What line?

Are you torturing animals? (humans are animals) Well then you're a bad person with no redeeming qualities at all.


Basically I'd treat non-game animals as babies under the law and treat people like these three wastes of life accordingly.

Nrokreffefp: Turtles with cracked shells bleeding out on the pavement? They should have argued that they were trying to put them out of their misery. Either way, what is with all you people with so much more empathy for worthless animals who serve no purpose, and so little for poorly raised miscreant children?

Anyone can start a fire given gasoline and a road flare. Save your efforts for more challenging trolls.

Nrokreffefp: Turtles with cracked shells bleeding out on the pavement? They should have argued that they were trying to put them out of their misery. Either way, what is with all you people with so much more empathy for worthless animals who serve no purpose, and so little for poorly raised miscreant children?

I know you're probably trolling, but I don't really see these poorly raised miscreant children contributing much more to the world than the turtles would have. Their background might explain their shiatty behavior, but it doesn't excuse it.

Nrokreffefp: Turtles with cracked shells bleeding out on the pavement? They should have argued that they were trying to put them out of their misery. Either way, what is with all you people with so much more empathy for worthless animals who serve no purpose, and so little for poorly raised miscreant children?

Worthless animals won't rob you, or kill you, or live on your tax dollars while creating more poorly raised miscreants.

What is it with you people who think that all humans are special and worthy of reverence? A lot of them are scum and should be euthanized like we would any other problem animal.

BarkingUnicorn: RexTalionis: imprimere: Trying to punish "future crimes" is asinine.

Well, he didn't actually propose that. He's proposing changing the punishment for present crimes so that it is harsher.

They're charged with killing an endangered animal AND felony animal cruelty, two separate charges each bearing a five-year max. That's ten years. Multiply by two tortoises.

Feel better?

I wasn't the one who was advocating changing the punishment.

Sad King Billy: He seems to be enjoying his salad.

Those dandelion flowers are like crack to him. He's a good eater, but I think compared to them the rest of his "salad" barely rates above indifference.

I feel bad when they're not "in season" and he doesn't get his yellow treasures mixed in with everything else.

It's ok if I eat them, though, right?

Humanity is full of dickbags. So many of them.

TravisBickle62: Molavian: It's ok if I eat them, though, right?

Nobody eats tortoises, though turtles are commonly eaten

Awesome Tortoise Soup Recipe!

Nakito: I assume that all Fark turtle-fans will eventually find their way into this sad thread (hi everyone). On that assumption, I just want to say that every time I see a Caturday thread, I think a happier thought to myself: we need a Turtsday thread.

Am I allowed in both, or does that make me a traitor?

davidphogan: My old roommate had an awesome tortoise that looked similar. I'd love to get my own, but I just don't have the yard for it.

Yeah, he's huge. I live in an apartment, so he actually lives with my parents who have a house with a yard. He's very large and probably very old; I think our reptile vet estimated as "probably close to 50" when we got him (although I think it's very hard to know for sure), and that was over 20 years ago.

He had a lady friend tortoise at one point, but we had to put her down. She had the respiratory infection that these guys are prone to, and we gave her shots every day for several years, but her health continued to decline. :(

He comes when called. It's pretty awesome.

TravisBickle62: Molavian: It's ok if I eat them, though, right?

Nobody eats tortoises, though turtles are commonly eaten

Never say, "nobody eats X" until you've checked with China.

http://bit.ly/LiKYhQ

Lost_in_Oregon: FARK is schizophrenic: 150 Nigerians - hilarious; two turtles and it reads like PETA meeting minutes.

Just saying.

No turtle ever spammed me.

/Although, come to think about it, how would I know?

davidphogan: Nrokreffefp: Erix: Nrokreffefp: Turtles with cracked shells bleeding out on the pavement? They should have argued that they were trying to put them out of their misery. Either way, what is with all you people with so much more empathy for worthless animals who serve no purpose, and so little for poorly raised miscreant children?

I know you're probably trolling, but I don't really see these poorly raised miscreant children contributing much more to the world than the turtles would have. Their background might explain their shiatty behavior, but it doesn't excuse it.

I'm not trolling, you are just emotional morons. The idiot kids will at least pay taxes and probably go join the military eventually. The turtle is a species that regularly suicides itself by getting hit by cars, as these turtles most likely had already done. Besides which, weak and emotional people are not the ones who get to determine value to society.

You expect a lot more out of them than I do. You really think the military will still want these guys, or that they'll be gainfully employed at some point?

It's pretty brave to call people morons when you post something that stupid.

David, I can't believe you're falling for this troll. Get a grip!

Why do people insist on coming into these kinds of threads and posting the address of the people involved obviously implying some sort of, "someone should totes go learn them peoples mob justice style"? Don't you realize it's farking stupid and that there are unstable assholes who might think, "people in that house all deserve to pay!"?

RexTalionis: I wonder if they also tend to set fires and wet their bed until a late age. That's the triumverate of behaviors often exhibited by budding serial killers.

I was going to make a smartass remark, then I took a look.

Those guys for sure look like incipient serial killers if they aren't already. Or they could just grow up to become run-of-the-mill psychopaths, and beat their wives, steal from their jobs, and generally make life miserable for the rest of us, all the while blandly foisting off responsibility on everyone but themselves.

Psychopaths are a scary bunch.

tuffsnake: Why do people insist on coming into these kinds of threads and posting the address of the people involved obviously implying some sort of, "someone should totes go learn them peoples mob justice style"? Don't you realize it's farking stupid and that there are unstable assholes who might think, "people in that house all deserve to pay!"?

Wow. You're absolutely right. This has absolutely no place on Fark.

BRB, going to /b/ for a minute...

Indubitably: Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: I wonder if they also tend to set fires and wet their bed until a late age. That's the triumverate of behaviors often exhibited by budding serial killers.

I was going to make a smartass remark, then I took a look.

Those guys for sure look like incipient serial killers if they aren't already. Or they could just grow up to become run-of-the-mill psychopaths, and beat their wives, steal from their jobs, and generally make life miserable for the rest of us, all the while blandly foisting off responsibility on everyone but themselves.

Psychopaths are a scary bunch.

I know, right?

My life was ruined by one or more of said p-paths. farkers.

Whatevs.

How are YOU?

;)

P.S. This could be misconstrued. I don't think you are a psychopath.

Uh....thanks? I had two run-ins with genuine psychopaths in my life. They didn't kill me, but I nearly killed one of them. I did put a curse on him, tho.

I are fine. I'm studying again for Round Two of my title bout with the Bar Exam.

Hi. Psychologist's assistant here.

All three of these goons probably are dead ringers for a diagnosis of "antisocial personality disorder" per the DSM IV-TR.

AKA eighty-something percent of America's prison population is probably APD.

They'll fit in just fine and make some new "friends" in the state pen.

/And I hope 17 y/o dumbass gets tried as an adult.

dahmers love zombie: Wow. You're absolutely right. This has absolutely no place on Fark.

Absolutely

doglover: ph0rk: Where is the line?

What line?

Are you torturing animals? (humans are animals) Well then you're a bad person with no redeeming qualities at all.


Basically I'd treat non-game animals as babies under the law and treat people like these three wastes of life accordingly.

Agreed.

/what he said

imprimere: Kurmudgeon: imprimere: Your logic is so brilliant. One crime must lead to another. So, the second you ever jay walked, sped, stole a toy that wasn't yours when you were a kid,etc. - you should go ahead and get life and save everyone some time!

Your logic isn't brilliant. Jaywalking, speeding, misdemeanor theft are not the same as cruelty and animal torture. Some folks after seeing cruelty make it a point to try to prevent more of it. Others in this thread have already pointed out these actions are a strong indicator of future psychopathic behavior. I'm real glad these young dickheads are in jail, too bad you're too stupid to see the connection.

Again, your argument is just as stupid as the first. So, let's take all "connected" crimes and just run the charge up to the highest one! After all, THERE'S A CONNECTION.

I'm very glad that you don't practice law. Do us a favor and make certain that you don't vote as well. Thanks.

It worries you that people know more than you, doesn't it?

FTA: Officers said they got out of the vehicle, picked up the large tortoise and slammed it on the ground, causing more injuries.

So even after the tortoises had been through all the torment those three guys put them through, the officers thought it would be fun to repeat the exercise on the large turtle? Wildlife officers INDEED!

/carry on

ph0rk: doglover: ph0rk: Where is the line?

What line?

Are you torturing animals? (humans are animals) Well then you're a bad person with no redeeming qualities at all.


Basically I'd treat non-game animals as babies under the law and treat people like these three wastes of life accordingly.

Ok, so everyone who runs over a turtle in a blind curve goes to prison. Maybe if we let all the people stuck in there for possession there will be enough room.

Should they be punished? probably. They probably need psychological help. Should they get a life sentence or the death penalty? No - stop being retarded.

Well actually I'd say people who accidentally run over people shouldn't go to prison. Accidents happen.

People who intentionally run over animals are no better than that dude in Brazil who plowed into those cyclers.

Babies and small animals are both defenseless living creatures. If anything, the animals are even more helpless in some ways.

Cruelty should be more than 5 years at the torture felony level.

Spirit Hammer: Humm.
I routinely kill uninvited things in my house; rodents, insects, snakes and such.
As a child, we "gigged" carp and threw them on the bank to die. (we had been taught that carp were junk fish that choked out game fish). The racoons feasted.
I was with kids who put fire crackers in frogs mouths to "see what happened".

I'm doomed.

Did you stop? Or did you progress to more evil behavior like psychological and/or physical mistreatment of higher mammals and people just because you could and it was fun? If not, you're probably okay.

Protip: All kids kill animals to "see what happens". When we see what happens, we stop. It's those rare few that get a psychosexual thrill out of watching helpless beings suffer under their power who become (or already are?) psychopaths. Which is why off-the-cuff diagnoses are often dangerous.

malaktaus: Yeah, and his proposal was still farking stupid. These guys are chucklefarks, to be sure, but if we locked up every morally deficient jackass forever he himself would be in jail forever. Exhibit A: "Knock off months to pander to idiots who think humans are better than animals and give them THAT sentence." Emphasis mine. Are you really defending this statement? Do you really think animals are our equals? You know who else was a dog lover who didn't much care about people?
/yes, these guys deserved to get arrested and they deserve some prison time, maybe 5 years or so

I never said I agreed with doglover. I was merely pointing out that imprimere apparently lack basic reading comprehension.

Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: I wonder if they also tend to set fires and wet their bed until a late age. That's the triumverate of behaviors often exhibited by budding serial killers.

I was going to make a smartass remark, then I took a look.

Those guys for sure look like incipient serial killers if they aren't already. Or they could just grow up to become run-of-the-mill psychopaths, and beat their wives, steal from their jobs, and generally make life miserable for the rest of us, all the while blandly foisting off responsibility on everyone but themselves.

Psychopaths are a scary bunch.

Yeah, and there's a lot more of them than people realize.

imprimere: There is nothing in my rebuttals that suggest that I was unable to read or understand what he wrote. His statements were stupid and his logic failing. Way to back-track while still taking little last digs.

Let's face it. When your "rebuttal" essentially consisted of this poorly constructed paragraph, you don't really have a lot of leeway to call someone else's statements stupid and illogical.

imprimere: Your logic is so brilliant. One crime must lead to another. So, the second you ever jay walked, sped, stole a toy that wasn't yours when you were a kid,etc. - you should go ahead and get life and save everyone some time!

imprimere: Again, what is your point? Using the logic that one crime leads to another so they should share the same penalty is stupid. I gave an even d-d-duh-dummer example. Is that so hard to follow or do you just enjoy attacking an argument (you probably agree with) because it doesn't meet your standard of structure?

Oh, I don't care about syntax or structure. I'm no grammar nazi. I'm doing it because you seem like a thoroughly obnoxious individual and, quite frankly, I find it funny.

Here in central Florida gopher turtles are far from endangered ,except for when my dogs use them as chew toys.
They will however fark up a horse when they dig holes in pastures .
All this love for gopher turtles how about a little sympathy for sand skinks,they really are endangered.

Nrokreffefp: Gyrfalcon: Spirit Hammer: Humm.
I routinely kill uninvited things in my house; rodents, insects, snakes and such.
As a child, we "gigged" carp and threw them on the bank to die. (we had been taught that carp were junk fish that choked out game fish). The racoons feasted.
I was with kids who put fire crackers in frogs mouths to "see what happened".

I'm doomed.

Did you stop? Or did you progress to more evil behavior like psychological and/or physical mistreatment of higher mammals and people just because you could and it was fun? If not, you're probably okay.

Protip: All kids kill animals to "see what happens". When we see what happens, we stop. It's those rare few that get a psychosexual thrill out of watching helpless beings suffer under their power who become (or already are?) psychopaths. Which is why off-the-cuff diagnoses are often dangerous.

This whole train of thought is bullshiat. For one, correlation does not equal causation, and we don't do enough in-depth studies of whether people are cruel to animals at a young age to compare the fact that we assume that about serial killers. For two, we have a certain portion of the population, and not a small one, that enjoys witnessing or participating in violence upon other humans. Do you rage against the NFL or people who pick fights in bars? Do you rage against the US Military and the hoo-ah morons who grandstand about their violent histories in Iraq and Afghanistan? They do exist, and they aren't rare. Yet the moment that some dumb kids kill some even dumber animals it becomes a mark of psychopathy? Suuuure.

That's why it's not the only, or even a good marker. It's more like an afterthought these days: IF you have someone who is diagnosed a psychopath and IF you look into his background, it's statistically likely that they tortured (note: Not killed) animals as a child. But: It went far FAR beyond what would be considered normal for a child, went on much longer, and is the kind of thing that, looking back, someone is bound to say, "yeah, Jeff or Teddy or Charlie did kill dogs and cats now that I think about it, and boy, he used to go on about how much fun it was. Weird I never noticed back then."

It's not a "mark" of psychopathy, any more than amorality, glibness or shallowness of affect. BUT when you put all of them together, then you have someone who is showing signs of psychopathy. The Hare checklist is 13 items long, and it's not even a 'checklist" as such, it can only be used after extensive interviews with the subject if you want an accurate diagnosis.

However, I'd submit to you the following scenario: A 7-year old boy who kills a turtle is probably a little disturbed or acting out, but not beyond the norm. A pair of 17 & 19 year olds who kill three turtles for no good reason PROBABLY have something a little more wrong with them and it needs some serious intervention. Now if we looked into the background of either man and find that this is something they do routinely, AND they beat their girlfriends or buddies AND they have a history of minor but escalating run-ins with the law AND they seem unable to appreciate the wrongness of their actions AND they enjoy humiliating, embarrassing or threatening people AND then we find that one of them wet the bed till he was ten...now you see how these "markers" work.

imprimere: Once again, no real argument, just "I don't like you, so you must suck. So there!

Man, you're so easy to wind up.

RexTalionis: imprimere: Once again, no real argument, just "I don't like you, so you must suck. So there!

Man, you're so easy to wind up.

YOU, however, are in a good mood tonight. I've never seen you so upbeat about a good beat down.

RexTalionis: imprimere: Once again, no real argument, just "I don't like you, so you must suck. So there!

Man, you're so easy to wind up.

It's not fair to pick on them Rex. It's like asking a Juggalo to take an essay test.