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(College Basketball Talk)   Why the NCAA should eliminate fouling out from basketball. Mike Kryskiewski heard asking, "what is this 'fouling out' of which you speak? That never happens to Duke players"   (collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 32
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2012-06-04 03:16:45 PM  
Better suggestion: Change the rules so deliberately fouling a player is not a legitimate strategy in crunch time.

This goes in the opposite direction. If you get rid of fouling out, a big man who gets the ball near the basket will be karate-chopped all game long.
 
2012-06-04 03:31:01 PM  
Why not allow unlimited personal fouls, but put a cap (i.e. foul out) on technical fouls? Or something like that...
 
2012-06-04 03:42:24 PM  
Krzyzewski.
 
2012-06-04 03:46:30 PM  
Duke players only foul out in away games.
 
2012-06-04 04:01:37 PM  
 
2012-06-04 04:22:44 PM  
In hockey, a violation results in a trip to the penalty box. In soccer, you a foul results in a free kick, but a player is allowed to commit any number of fouls. In baseball, fouls are something completely different.

in hockey you foul out for a limited amount of time, in soccer if you get two yellow cards you are out for the remainder of the game and all of your next game, and in baseball you can get ejected for an egregious penalty. wtf is this guy talking about?
 
2012-06-04 04:56:13 PM  
Somebody cockpunch some sense into this guy. Hitting him on the head is clearly ineffective.
 
2012-06-04 05:10:30 PM  
I am dumber for having read that. Somebody kindly bench that blogger.
 
2012-06-04 05:45:41 PM  
That's absurd. I'm not even going to try reading this to see if there's something really creative in there.

If there was no risk of fouling out... the entire game would be like the final minute is now. The big man who can't shoot free throws? Foul him 100% of the time, regardless.
 
2012-06-04 05:49:42 PM  

chimp_ninja: Better suggestion: Change the rules so deliberately fouling a player is not a legitimate strategy in crunch time.

This goes in the opposite direction. If you get rid of fouling out, a big man who gets the ball near the basket will be karate-chopped all game long.


I think an extension of team foul bonus would do the trick. 1 and 1 at 7. 2 shots at 10. 3 shots at 15. 4 shots at 20. And there is no cap. That should help keep the last 4 minutes from lasting 35 minutes real time, and Haq-a-Shaq would not work for long.

You could even throw out fouling out at this point because too many fouls hurts the team at the end of the game.
 
2012-06-04 06:06:37 PM  

beautifulbob: I think an extension of team foul bonus would do the trick.


What's "the trick"? What is the issue that needs to be fixed here? I think (on the court) college basketball, and basketball in general doesn't need much fixing.
 
2012-06-04 06:35:41 PM  
The original blog referenced by the blogger is a little better
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2012-06-04 06:48:32 PM  

downstairs: beautifulbob: I think an extension of team foul bonus would do the trick.

What's "the trick"? What is the issue that needs to be fixed here? I think (on the court) college basketball, and basketball in general doesn't need much fixing.


Even with fouling out, the last five minutes of a close NCAA or NBA game consists of teams bludgeoning star players who even begin to move the ball towards the basket. Watching those star players shoot free throws is not exciting. Injuries are not exciting. Repeated clock stoppages are not exciting.

Watching a basketball game get decided by free throws is like watching a soccer game get decided by penalty kicks. Basketball, at its best, is a fast-moving, athletic, and fluid sport. Free throws are none of those things.
 
2012-06-04 06:58:09 PM  
I know it would never happen, but why not a 1.5 minute penalty box for every 5th team foul (or something similar) instead? obv., in bball, scoring wouldnt let the man out of the box.
 
2012-06-04 07:02:56 PM  

jackiepaper: I know it would never happen, but why not a 1.5 minute penalty box for every 5th team foul (or something similar) instead? obv., in bball, scoring wouldnt let the man out of the box.


That isnt basketball. Let's just leave it the way it is.
 
2012-06-04 07:16:00 PM  
I say we lower the basket to seven feet and everybody wears clown shoes.
 
2012-06-04 07:17:34 PM  
They should be forced to wear progressively longer clown shoes and progressively ridiculous wigs each foul they get. Make it less punative and more festive.
 
2012-06-04 07:22:52 PM  
 
2012-06-04 07:23:20 PM  
Why don't they make non-shooting fouls into delayed fouls like ice hockey has delayed penalties? That would eliminate the whole 5 minutes to play the last 30 seconds routine. If you foul someone, the foul doesn't go into effect until the ball is turned over. If the fouled team scores, the foul still counts on the fouling player, but the fouling team gets possession instead of the fouled team getting to inbound the ball or take free throws.

Doing this, a team near the end of the game can sit on the ball, get fouled, not turn the ball over until a 5 second call, and still get free throws. Taking 5 seconds off instead of the usual 0.5 will drastically shorten the game.
 
2012-06-04 07:23:53 PM  
yes great idea. Ball goes inside to big guy foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul foul.
How exciting even more 3 point shooting than we already have in college.
 
2012-06-04 07:24:33 PM  
They should be put into pads. To increase safety, elongate the ball somewhat. Then, paint it brown. Make the court much much longer. If you score a basket, it's worth 6 points instead of 2 or 3. If the center scores from outside the paint, it counts as three.
 
2012-06-04 07:25:55 PM  
Solution looking for a problem. You can game plan to get an opposing player in foul trouble all you want, but if you teach kids to play fundamental, smart D, it's not going to be a problem. And don't say "But but refs" because on the whole, every team benefits from as many bad calls as they're punished by them, regardless of how you feel about "your team".

Anthony Davis fouled out of a single game this past year, an early season game v. Old Dominion in November before Thanksgiving. He only had 4 fouls three other times. I bet if I went and looked at the stats for the Top 25 players on a mock draft, I'd find the same for at least 75% of them.

What's the big crisis here? That a team might have to know how to play effectively for stretches without it's best player? Oh, the horror! Quick, drastically change a sport that has worked well for 60+ years!
 
2012-06-04 07:27:15 PM  

beautifulbob: chimp_ninja: Better suggestion: Change the rules so deliberately fouling a player is not a legitimate strategy in crunch time.

This goes in the opposite direction. If you get rid of fouling out, a big man who gets the ball near the basket will be karate-chopped all game long.

I think an extension of team foul bonus would do the trick.


Leave the bonus and double-bonus rules in place, but add that once a team is in the double bonus, that team retains possession of the ball after any successful free throw. Defense on both sides of the ball will have to stay clean in the last few minutes of a close gamein order to avoid giving away extra possessions, and skills and teamwork will play a greater role in deciding the outcome.
 
2012-06-04 08:22:55 PM  

jackiepaper: I know it would never happen, but why not a 1.5 minute penalty box for every 5th team foul (or something similar) instead? obv., in bball, scoring wouldnt let the man out of the box.


I saw that at a Harlem Globetrotters game.
 
2012-06-04 08:41:20 PM  

pion: jackiepaper: I know it would never happen, but why not a 1.5 minute penalty box for every 5th team foul (or something similar) instead? obv., in bball, scoring wouldnt let the man out of the box.

I saw that at a Harlem Globetrotters game.


HE'S SPINNING THE BALL ON HIS FINGER, JUST TAKE IT FROM HIM!@!@!
 
2012-06-04 08:48:26 PM  
Not the biggest basketball fan out there, but I always thought the free throws should be one and one during normal play, and then two shots in the bonus. And I always wondered why the fouls in the last 30 seconds of the game werent considered intentional when they clearly are.
 
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2012-06-04 10:32:46 PM  

Donnchadha: cameroncrazy1984: Krzyzewski.

Yes, I am!


awesome.
 
2012-06-04 11:11:23 PM  

Uzzah: Leave the bonus and double-bonus rules in place, but add that once a team is in the double bonus, that team retains possession of the ball after any successful free throw.


this is fantastic
 
2012-06-05 01:43:51 AM  
Instead of fouling out, the player has to sit out for 2 minutes of clock time. 5 on 4 for 2 minutes no matter how many points are scored.
 
2012-06-05 02:17:17 AM  
Why not let a team pick who takes the free throws? That or the possession retention idea mentioned earlier
 
2012-06-05 08:36:14 AM  
Actually I would agree, that after the foul that would normally eliminate you from the game, you get a 1 minute 'penalty box' regardless of points scored. Next foul? 2 minutes, etc. And these minutes carry over to the next quarter/game.
 
2012-06-05 04:04:03 PM  
Firstly, when a hockey player commits an infraction, he is removed from the game. That's what the penalty box is. If a player repeatedly commits penalties, a referee will add a 10-minute or game misconduct penalty, removing the player from the game completely.

Same thing with soccer. Repeated fouls will earn a player a yellow card, and then a red card. You cannot foul with impunity.

Baseball is a "two-strikes your out" with breaking the rules. Once is construed as accidental, twice is purposeful and grounds to not be playing anymore.

Football is a strictly made-for-TV event, and TV shows don't take their stars off the air.

Uzzah: Leave the bonus and double-bonus rules in place, but add that once a team is in the double bonus, that team retains possession of the ball after any successful free throw.


I like that. I've also advocated that a foul in the double-bonus should give the offended team the option of the shots or relinquishing possession and running the remaining shot clock time off the game clock.
 
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