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(CNN)   Rehabilitated former "bath salts" zombie explains what it's like to hunger for the flesh of the living: "It felt so evil"   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2012-06-04 11:58:47 AM  
9 votes:
Bath Salts are the worst drug currently available today.

I normally don't post serious stuff on Fark but for this thread I'll make an exception. I'm an Emergency Medicine doctor and work full time in a community ER. It's a rural farm community and drugs have always been a big problem in our area. A few years ago we lead the nation in Meth production so I'm used to seeing all kinds of people in my ER doing the tweak and freak. But in the last few months Bath Salts have hit the area and they make regular meth look like bubble gum.

When we get people in that are strung out on Bath Salts they are usually out of control. Violent, agitated, uncontrollable. What usually happens is the cops respond to a domestic complaint and find some guy freaked out, yelling, fighting, and unable to be brought under control. They'll dog pile on top of him and EMS will bring him in handcuffed and fighting. A few months ago one guy had a knife in his hand and charged a group of cops. They almost shot him but an officer risked his life tackling the guy from behind because he didn't want to have to kill the guy.

Several times the only way to safely subdue Bath Salt users and keep them from hurting themselves or someone else has been to intubate them in the field. For you nonmedical types that means they inject him with a drug to paralyze him and stick a ventilator tube down his throat into his lungs so they can breath for him. Several other times I've had to do it in the ER. The regular medications we use to sedate people don't seem to work very well on Bath Salts users. Valium, ativan, versed, geodon, haldol. Nothing. I've intubated people, put them on a propofol drip, and had the nurses run it up to the maximum allowed dosage and still had to use 4 point restraints because they are still trying to wake up and fight.

Even after the high wears off it increases your chances of suicidal thoughts and behaviors and your chances of a psychotic event for weeks or months.

Bath Salts is bad bad bad stuff. I see it and treat it regularly. If you want to get high then smoke some weed or score yourself some narcotics. But if you value your life in any way then avoid Bath Salts like it was powdered death. Because it is.
2012-06-04 11:34:43 AM  
3 votes:

MAYORBOB: Amidst all the blather about "dangerous drugs" and people's right to do what they want to their own body, there is one incontrovertible truth -- bath salts is a dangerous drug.


Agreed. So lets ban them, and legalize pot.
2012-06-04 11:16:10 AM  
3 votes:
In contrast to bath salts, pot has never made me to want to eat a person's face, no matter how strong the munchies have gotten.
2012-06-04 11:06:44 AM  
3 votes:
Nobody would touch that crap if deemer, mushies, buttons and 'cid were legal, as they certainly should be. I cannot wait for this tool's fifteen minutes are up.
2012-06-04 12:52:26 PM  
2 votes:
The conversation "thread" that followed makes me sad for our race (Species? Genus?). Like most of them that devolve rapidly into name calling. Please Lord, Rapture these assholes.
2012-06-04 12:36:52 PM  
2 votes:

LesserEvil: Jon iz teh kewl: LesserEvil: Bath Salts and Spice.

Both need to be banished from the planet, and the assholes that make this shiat need to be skinned alive and pelted by rock salt until they die.

/Son just attempted suicide while under the influence of a spice-induced psychosis.
//Several years of his life wasted so far, still hoping he can turn things around

pot does the same thing. i almost did the same thing while under the influence of pot.

True, people who actually have ADHD are susceptible to psychotic episodes, but it's a lower risk than with synthetic cannaboids like "spice" - the Navy found sailors and marines admitted with psychosis after smoking that crap took DAYS to recover and anti-psychotics had little effect. That was two years ago, and get caught with spice in the Navy or Corps and you are out.... no office hours, no slap on the wrist like you get the first time you pop a piss test for pot or even cocaine.

As it happens, my son has ADHD. Since discovering his spice problem (no, it wasn't "blue-on-blue eyes", but rather the insatiable need for money), I started doing some research. His issues began with pot smoking... dropping out of school, bouts of anger (destructive), theft. It's been worse in the last two years, and Spice (K2, Chronic, Oz...) is a big part of it. Thankfully he hasn't hooked on the bath salts crap.

I just have no idea why people do this stupid shiat.

It's all fine and dandy that some people smoke pot without any lasting effects, but there are many who can't handle it (just like alcohol). Advocates need to stop downplaying the bad side of pot, and EVERYBODY needs to work to banish bath salts and spice from the world.


I am sorry that you are having problems with your son. However, his issues did not begin with pot smoking. He was most likely using pot to self-medicate and deal with the issues that he already had. Pot did not make him move on to bigger, badder things. Pot didn't cut it in terms of self medication, so he moved on in search of something that would.
2012-06-04 11:47:19 AM  
2 votes:
Bath Salts and Spice.

Both need to be banished from the planet, and the assholes that make this shiat need to be skinned alive and pelted by rock salt until they die.

/Son just attempted suicide while under the influence of a spice-induced psychosis.
//Several years of his life wasted so far, still hoping he can turn things around
2012-06-04 11:13:14 AM  
2 votes:
I wish they would stop calling it "bath salts." They aren't bath salts, that is just how they are marketed to get around labeling laws. It's like calling a bong a "tobacco water pipe." They are synthetic psychoactive designer chemicals, or "research chemicals", the most popular right now being MDPV, but there are a ton of others. Most of these are technically illegal under the Federal Analogues Act (some aren't), but that law is a little more difficult to enforce and use for prosecution.
2012-06-04 11:10:01 AM  
2 votes:
"It felt so evil. It felt like the darkest, evilest thing imaginable."

I'd like to see the bathroom in that mobile home, just to get some perspective on the matter.
2012-06-05 08:52:51 AM  
1 vote:

LesserEvil: Bath Salts and Spice.

Both need to be banished from the planet, and the assholes that make this shiat need to be skinned alive and pelted by rock salt until they die.

/Son just attempted suicide while under the influence of a spice-induced psychosis.
//Several years of his life wasted so far, still hoping he can turn things around


Forgive me for being harsh here, but you need to man the fark up and stop looking to blame other people for your failures as a parent. Your son did not try to commit suicide because of spice. Your son was smoking pot/spice because he is/was depressed and suicidal.

Im not trying to be a dick, its just very important that you open your eyes to the reality of the situation, so you can start trying to fix where the actual problem is. People smoke cannibinoids because they are unhappy with their life and use it as an escapist tool. Stop trying to treat the symptoms, and start trying to find the actual problems.
2012-06-04 01:22:11 PM  
1 vote:

namegoeshere: In Kentucky, authorities say a young woman driving on a highway after using bath salts became convinced her 2-year-old was a demon.


Most new parents are convinced of this.
2012-06-04 01:08:50 PM  
1 vote:

LesserEvil: Stop justifying pot usage. I said some people can handle it, but there are people who CANNOT HANDLE IT. It isn't a "harmless" drug for everybody, just because you build strawmen for those users whose lives have taken a downward spiral.


So because your son can't handle it, no one should be allowed to smoke? Do you feel that way about alchohol as well? Because we tried prohibition, and it didn't end well. As you yourself said, he desired "legal" pot, and ended up in trouble with spice. Illegal pot, according to you, is what sent him in search of a legal, but more harmful and dangerous alternative. The illegality of pot did not stop his access, did it?

I don't smoke. I don't give a flying fark if anyone else does. But I do understand that the illegality of pot is doing more harm than good. The world is full of things that a small group of people can't handle. When forbidding such things becomes more harmful than it is beneficial, society as a whole does not benefit from their prohibition. It then becomes a matter of personal responsibility: it is up to the person who is unable to handle those things to realize it, and avoid doing those things.

Also, google ADHD and self medication with marijuana. It's quite common. For example, Patients with ADHD who smoke marijuana regularly are generally self medicating. Marijuana decreases their hyperactivity, and to some extent may help with their anxiety symptoms (clinical observation).
2012-06-04 12:05:03 PM  
1 vote:
2012-06-04 11:58:36 AM  
1 vote:

Phinn: Whatthefark: Eat pussy, not faces!

/It's a saying from an anti bath salts campaign I'm starting.

Just in time for Caturday?


I guess eating it is better than turning it into a remote control helicopter.
2012-06-04 11:47:39 AM  
1 vote:

Whatthefark: Eat pussy, not faces!

/It's a saying from an anti bath salts campaign I'm starting.


Just in time for Caturday?
2012-06-04 11:42:14 AM  
1 vote:
Eat pussy, not faces!

/It's a saying from an anti bath salts campaign I'm starting.
2012-06-04 11:40:20 AM  
1 vote:
Its was my understanding that 'bath salts' are a poor mans stimulant, but the danger comes from the fact that there is no general dosage guidelines and repeated dosing. So, you snort a 'line' whatever that comprises of (since we're not sure what the 'proper' dosage is yet), feel the euphoric effects, come down feels rather shiatty (similar to X come down I think), snort another line to regain that 'pep', feel twitchy, lose sleep, snort another line to wake up, etc etc, next thing you know 5 days have passed and you haven't slept or ate, thus the paranoia/psychosis is a result of extreme dehydration/sleep deprivation.

so, I think its just regular 'ol amphetamine psychosis? Maybe with the added impervious to pain side effect of PCP?
2012-06-04 11:32:38 AM  
1 vote:

Magorn: That's kinda what I'm trying to fiigure out about these "bath salt zombie" stories: Nothing more than the DEA/ONDCP usual BS scare tactics? Or is this stuff really as scary as it appears? I mean on the one hand it seems a little far-fetched, on the other hand that guy CHEWED THE FACE OFF another person


Again, here's basically how bath salts are made:

Step 1: find an actual drug (usually an amphetamine-- this is where the "bath salts" name comes from, mild uppers used to be used in the literal chemicals you'd put in your bath to make it smell nice)

Step 2: Examine molecule, examine legal definition of drugs, focusing on chemical descriptions.

Step 3: Change a few functional groups on molecule until it no longer fits the legal definition of the controlled substance in question. (Alternate: you can refunctionalize at random with certain chemical processes)

Step 4: Make that instead.

The upside: whatever you just made isn't illegal. The downside: 99% of the time, you honestly don't know quite what you just made in terms of effects and side-effects. You may have rendered it completely inert, you may have turned it from a drug to a poison. More subtle stuff like emotional alteration and neurological effects can't really be tested by feeding it to the dog, so you really won't entirely know until a consumer tries it.
2012-06-04 11:21:56 AM  
1 vote:
The funniest part about the bath salts coming out of florida is that they are a zero tolerance state for pot.
2012-06-04 11:19:37 AM  
1 vote:
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2012-06-04 11:18:02 AM  
1 vote:

signaljammer: Nobody would touch that crap if deemer, mushies, buttons and 'cid were legal, as they certainly should be. I cannot wait for this tool's fifteen minutes are up.


That's kinda what I'm trying to fiigure out about these "bath salt zombie" stories: Nothing more than the DEA/ONDCP usual BS scare tactics? Or is this stuff really as scary as it appears? I mean on the one hand it seems a little far-fetched, on the other hand that guy CHEWED THE FACE OFF another person
2012-06-04 11:16:40 AM  
1 vote:
Rehabilitated former "bath salts" zombie explains what it's like to hunger for the flesh of the living

Sharp said he never felt the urge to "eat anybody's flesh" while under the influence of bath salts
2012-06-04 11:11:56 AM  
1 vote:
"This is a terrible drug because it takes a combination of methamphetamine, and the paranoia and the aggressiveness, and LSD, the hallucinations, and PCP, the extreme paranoia that you get, combines it into one, and has unpredictable effects on human behavior," Paul Adams, an emergency room doctor in Miami, told CNN.

It's a terrible drug for the opposite reason of that, numbnuts. It's just chemically active enough to interact significantly with your biology and neurochemistry, but the precise functionality has been altered more or less at random to avoid legal restrictions on stimulants. So it might be what you're saying, it might act as a straight-up stimulant, it might do nothing whatsoever, or it might simply poison you outright. The problem is unpredictability, not some specific set of effects.

Another problem is that people dumb enough to snort the equivalent of refunctionalized drain cleaner is both stupid and crazy to begin with, so even a minor effect can send them off the rails.
2012-06-04 11:10:05 AM  
1 vote:
Being on 'bath salts' sounds like finding yourself living inside a Cannibal Corpse song. Yikes!
2012-06-04 11:07:26 AM  
1 vote:
You know what drug DOESN'T cause you to chew someone's face off? Yup, you guessed it. Lotrimin.
 
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