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(Sun Sentinel)   That voter purge in Florida? It has already caught a grand total of TWO men who weren't citizens but voted anyway. See, it's clearly a justified decision   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 205
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2012-06-04 10:25:08 AM
Ha! (Warning: CSB)

Just got a call on my cell phone last night from United in Purpose, an Evangelical group. They wanted to know if I was tired of Obama's high taxes and spending, and if I was not registered, they'd get me registered.

Here's a piece on them.

So they're trying to purge Democratic leaning voters while running a slipshod operation to register Christians and Republican leaning voters. Coincidence? I think not. Plus, this operation is out of California, while I live in Orlando.

Yet ACORN were the bad guys.
 
2012-06-04 10:47:33 AM

Diogenes: Ha! (Warning: CSB)

Just got a call on my cell phone last night from United in Purpose, an Evangelical group. They wanted to know if I was tired of Obama's high taxes and spending, and if I was not registered, they'd get me registered.

Here's a piece on them.

So they're trying to purge Democratic leaning voters while running a slipshod operation to register Christians and Republican leaning voters. Coincidence? I think not. Plus, this operation is out of California, while I live in Orlando.

Yet ACORN were the bad guys.


Are you a citizen?
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2012-06-04 10:58:29 AM
With so many economic and social issues to deal with, it makes you wonder why the Republicans focus on "voter fraud."

Sh*t. They even did this sh*t in my state and I live in the truest of blue states in the union. I'm a disabled veteran. I'm a property owner/landlord and I donate to local charities. I do my part, and I don't cause any grief with the police, except that I drive very fast on the highway. Why the hell do I have to affirm my citizenship to the state and the country when I go get my license renewed and register as non-affiliated? I only had to change over from Democrat because I forgot to after the last election. (You need to be a member of the party in this state to vote in a primary.)

I only bring up my attributes because i don't think anyone should have to prove this bullsh*t. You're here, you're queer, I don't care! You can vote, you can pay whatever taxes you do pay. This smacks of Heinlein and I do not like it one bit. Hell, even service doesn't guarantee citizenship. What they did to that WWII vet? Disgusting.

We're talking about an infinitesimal percentage of votes in the grand scheme of things. A percentage that would likely be negated if we spent a few billion on a standardized voting system with a paper trail to count all votes. Awwww... One less stealth dreamship for the Navy. I think our Republic is worth that trade-off and investment.

Stop asking me if I'm a citizen in 5 different ways and just count the f*cking votes accurately. Try that. If that fails, I'll submit to your biometric ID at the polling station. Hopefully, they accept ejaculate as a verifier.
 
2012-06-04 11:02:23 AM

Wangiss: Are you a citizen?


Citizen, and uninterrupted registered voter since I turned 18.

NewportBarGuy: Stop asking me if I'm a citizen in 5 different ways and just count the f*cking votes accurately. Try that. If that fails, I'll submit to your biometric ID at the polling station. Hopefully, they accept ejaculate as a verifier.


Have you seen those poll workers? At least the old ladies will get a thrill!
 
2012-06-04 11:23:10 AM

Diogenes: Have you seen those poll workers? At least the old ladies will get a thrill!


Oh my god! Why did you have to give me a visual? Clearly, I have not thought this through. I swear I have more real teeth than everyone at my polling place. I imagine that is what going to Wednesday Bingo is like. I just cast my vote, place it into the ancient machine probably built by Edison himself and run away as fast as possible.

So unclean!
 
2012-06-04 11:52:38 AM
I think there should be an official mechanism at the FEC level to clean state voter rolls every 5 to 10 years, like a census. But it shouldn't be done at the local level because that invites far too much corruption for a sleaze merchant like Rick Scott. Clearly people move around a lot and other factors make it necessary to remove people ineligible to vote. The problem is how to handle this in as little a partisan way as possible.
 
2012-06-04 11:56:41 AM

NewportBarGuy: They even did this sh*t in my state and I live in the truest of blue states in the union.


I don't bother voting Federal anymore. It doesn't matter. Whoever the Democrat on the ballot is, Rhode Island's electoral votes go that way.

Maybe if the electoral college goes away and we go pure majority vote.
 
2012-06-04 12:07:05 PM

Diogenes:
Have you seen those poll workers? At least the old ladies will get a thrill!


What about pole workers, can we see pole workers instead?
 
2012-06-04 12:18:02 PM

Somacandra: I think there should be an official mechanism at the FEC level to clean state voter rolls every 5 to 10 years, like a census. But it shouldn't be done at the local level because that invites far too much corruption for a sleaze merchant like Rick Scott. Clearly people move around a lot and other factors make it necessary to remove people ineligible to vote. The problem is how to handle this in as little a partisan way as possible.


What needs to happen is the same thing that needs to happen with education. Totally strip the local authorities of any control whatsoever. Have a national voter ID. There would have to be an initial, and quite massive, effort to register people, and they could probably do it in any number of ways, but having a single database would work in a ton of ways, not the LEAST of which would be ensuring a one person, one vote scenario. You could update your address at the polling place if need be, or hell, as far as that goes you could vote ANYwhere in a Federal election. On vacation, no problem.

Yes, it'd come with some issues, and would need to be biometric-secured. But if you did it right you could remove most local suppression efforts.
 
2012-06-04 12:21:41 PM

dahmers love zombie: Somacandra: I think there should be an official mechanism at the FEC level to clean state voter rolls every 5 to 10 years, like a census. But it shouldn't be done at the local level because that invites far too much corruption for a sleaze merchant like Rick Scott. Clearly people move around a lot and other factors make it necessary to remove people ineligible to vote. The problem is how to handle this in as little a partisan way as possible.

What needs to happen is the same thing that needs to happen with education. Totally strip the local authorities of any control whatsoever. Have a national voter ID. There would have to be an initial, and quite massive, effort to register people, and they could probably do it in any number of ways, but having a single database would work in a ton of ways, not the LEAST of which would be ensuring a one person, one vote scenario. You could update your address at the polling place if need be, or hell, as far as that goes you could vote ANYwhere in a Federal election. On vacation, no problem.

Yes, it'd come with some issues, and would need to be biometric-secured. But if you did it right you could remove most local suppression efforts.


How convenient! I bet you could use that record for all kinds of stuff!
 
2012-06-04 12:54:13 PM

Wangiss: I bet you could use that record for all kinds of stuff!


how would those records be any better for shenanigans than the records that any other govt agency has?
 
2012-06-04 12:56:17 PM
Every vote counts, unless there's two that are voting illegally, then it's a ridiculous waste of time to have their illegitimate votes scrubbed from the record.
 
2012-06-04 12:57:06 PM

dahmers love zombie: the same thing that needs to happen with education. Totally strip the local authorities of any control whatsoever.


ah, the French model.

/and my that I mean "the way the French do education," not "a stick-thin French woman"
 
2012-06-04 12:59:15 PM
So the Republicans are doing this so that minorities (Democrats) can't vote, but they only kicked two off the roles?

So the Republicans are trying to swing the vote their way by removing two ballots?

And the Democrats are outraged that two ballots were removed?

Not sure how this is a big enough deal for either side to be OUTRAGED!11!!!!1!
 
2012-06-04 01:00:45 PM
I get it. Any effort to keep out dead people, non-citizens and multiple voters is a waste of time. If these didn't benefit the Dems you'd be crapping yourself in rage over it.
 
2012-06-04 01:02:27 PM

NewportBarGuy: Diogenes: Have you seen those poll workers? At least the old ladies will get a thrill!

Oh my god! Why did you have to give me a visual? Clearly, I have not thought this through. I swear I have more real teeth than everyone at my polling place. I imagine that is what going to Wednesday Bingo is like. I just cast my vote, place it into the ancient machine probably built by Edison himself and run away as fast as possible.

So unclean!


1 real tooth is not exactly a high bar when you consider the voting populace. Having more *teeth* than everyone at your polling place I think what you meant? same answer though.
 
2012-06-04 01:03:50 PM

NewportBarGuy: With so many economic and social issues to deal with, it makes you wonder why the Republicans focus on "voter fraud."


Because under the guise of "voter fraud," they can suppress the vote from groups that tend to vote (D) and win more elections. This is about winning elections for one side, not about fairness in elections.

NewportBarGuy: They even did this sh*t in my state and I live in the truest of blue states in the union.


Speaking of unions, under the guise of "balancing budgets" they destroyed unions. If you look at the top 10 outside donors to politicians, 7 are Republican. The 3 left that are Democrat? Unions. You have 7 groups funded by corporations that are not just allowed to continue but indeed protected by Citizens United that vote (R). It is critical corporations have a right to free speech in this country. But when workers gather together to counter the voice of corporations, they are attacked and destroyed.

Again, it's about winning elections.

NewportBarGuy: We're talking about an infinitesimal percentage of votes in the grand scheme of things.


That's irrelevant, Republicans are going to pretend it is anyways to justify their continued attacks.
 
2012-06-04 01:04:11 PM
Strange. I live in Europe. There is no voter registration. Government already knows who its citizens are and where they live. I am sure that would raise privacy concerns in the US.
 
2012-06-04 01:04:55 PM

IAmRight: Every vote counts, unless there's two that are voting illegally, then it's a ridiculous waste of time to have their illegitimate votes scrubbed from the record.


Did they vote, or did they vote and the vote was counted? Those are different scenarios requiring different amounts of concern.
 
2012-06-04 01:05:17 PM
Wouldn't it be cheaper just to offer every non citizen $50 to not vote?

No way anyone could have a problem with that.
 
2012-06-04 01:05:39 PM
I also think that the "proof" mechanism is being overdone. BUT, telling us that Florida has caught a grand total of two miscreants, tells us nothing. You would have to be pretty dumb to show up to fraudulently vote without the proper ID in a state where it is required.
 
2012-06-04 01:05:43 PM
Guy on TV this morning finished listing his "evidence" and his opponent pointed out he had basically proven voter fraud was not a problem.
 
2012-06-04 01:05:47 PM

Silly Jesus: And the Democrats are outraged that two ballots were removed?


I would assume the D outrage is more related to the cost of the initiative in relation to its results.
 
2012-06-04 01:06:05 PM

filter: Strange. I live in Europe. There is no voter registration. Government already knows who its citizens are and where they live. I am sure that would raise privacy concerns in the US.


No, the government already knows. We just like to pretend they don't and so do they.
 
2012-06-04 01:07:56 PM

Silly Jesus: So the Republicans are doing this so that minorities (Democrats) can't vote, but they only kicked two off the roles?

So the Republicans are trying to swing the vote their way by removing two ballots?

And the Democrats are outraged that two ballots were removed?

Not sure how this is a big enough deal for either side to be OUTRAGED!11!!!!1!


Well they tried to kick 50,000 people off the rolls, but only two have been confirmed ineligible.
 
2012-06-04 01:10:13 PM

Silly Jesus: And the Democrats are outraged that two ballots were removed?


Actually the Democrats are outraged that thousands of valid voters were removed from the rolls in order to purge the TWO invalid voters. At this rate they won't have any registered voters in Florida once they get done purging invalid voters.

Except, of course, the actual goal isn't to purge invalid voters. The goal is to purge valid voters. So they'll stop long before that. Like right around the time the only districts left to purge are those that have previously gone Republican in prior election cycles.
 
2012-06-04 01:11:26 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Diogenes:
Have you seen those poll workers? At least the old ladies will get a thrill!

What about pole workers, can we see pole workers instead?


All those wrinkled flaps clinging to the poles......

*weirdest boner*
 
2012-06-04 01:11:29 PM
What part of illegal don't you understand, subby?
 
2012-06-04 01:12:01 PM

Silly Jesus: Not sure how this is a big enough deal for either side to be OUTRAGED!11!!!!1!


Because you have no idea how the purge works. Here's how it works:

1) Florida suspects you are a non-citizen based on whatever they feel like. This might total around 180,000 people.
2) Florida removes their eligibility to vote and issues them a notice they are not eligible to vote.
3) Should that person choose, they can take the extra step to wander in to vote. Presumably most will, some will find it annoying just to cast a vote and will not vote.

Silly Jesus: And the Democrats are outraged that two ballots were removed?


No. So far we've spent lots of time effort and money to bust two people. The suspected non-citizens who have to prove themselves also are in specifically targeted groups that tend to vote (D). The outrage is Florida is going through the voters and if chances are they vote (D) they are called a non-citizen and told to prove otherwise. Taxpayers are paying for Florida to suppress the (D) vote and in return, busted two people.

You're welcome for explaining it to you. Next time you might search out the info yourself before drawing conclusions.
 
2012-06-04 01:12:55 PM
Farkers are okay with voter fraud because Democrats get the votes. News at 11:00.
 
2012-06-04 01:14:27 PM
FTA: "They were among 13 registered voters who acknowledged they weren't U.S. citizens, Miami-Dade's election supervisor says."

Also, that's in just one county.

Let FL do its thing so we can see if there is or isn't a significant problem
 
2012-06-04 01:15:14 PM

Thunderpipes: Farkers are okay with voter fraud because Democrats get the votes. News at 11:00.


And you're OK with all manner of imaginary "threats" because it keeps Republicans in office and the populace fearful and complacent.
 
2012-06-04 01:16:03 PM

evilmrsock: I would assume the D outrage is more related to the cost of the initiative in relation to its results.


I'm not a Democrat, but this is half of my problem with it, yeah (the other half is that this whole molehill-to-mountain of "Voter ID fraud" is a half-assed dog whistle designed to get the racists fired up before the election, and that it's working). What a complete and total waste of money.
 
2012-06-04 01:16:36 PM
How much would our taxes have to go up to keep all Floridians from voting? If the price is right, it might not be that bad of an idea.

/don't even
//you have your own tag for a reason
 
2012-06-04 01:18:43 PM

Diogenes: Thunderpipes: Farkers are okay with voter fraud because Democrats get the votes. News at 11:00.

And you're OK with all manner of imaginary "threats" because it keeps Republicans in office and the populace fearful and complacent.


Well to be fair, Democrats hate America and want to destroy the American family.
 
2012-06-04 01:20:31 PM
There were over 100k names on the rolls of dead and ineligible people.

Subby is a moron who shouldn't be allowed to vote. http://www.theledger.com/article/20120518/POLITICS/120519309
 
2012-06-04 01:23:01 PM
Of course my question is, how did farkers, including me, miss Louisiana GOP convention members having police arrest and drag away Louisiana GOP convention Ron Paul supporter members

Link
 
2012-06-04 01:24:41 PM
But the GOP is just showing how Small Government and Fiscally Conservative they are with this!
 
2012-06-04 01:29:36 PM

domenad: There were over 100k names on the rolls of dead and ineligible people.


Imagine that - a regular review of the rolls finds people who died, or moved away but failed to re-register in a new state or county.

It's so discourteous of dead people to not notify the elections board about their updated status.
 
2012-06-04 01:29:39 PM

domenad: There were over 100k names on the rolls of dead and ineligible people.

Subby is a moron who shouldn't be allowed to vote. http://www.theledger.com/article/20120518/POLITICS/120519309


But state officials also have said there may be as many as 182,000 registered voters who are not eligible to vote.


Subby's statement: accurate.
Your statement: inaccurate.

But, yea, Subby is the moron here.
 
2012-06-04 01:29:58 PM

BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "They were among 13 registered voters who acknowledged they weren't U.S. citizens, Miami-Dade's election supervisor says."

Also, that's in just one county.

Let FL do its thing so we can see if there is or isn't a significant problem


Sure, they can do it... after the election, so as to not accidentally purge valid voters. Clearly, time is not of the essence:
They were among 13 registered voters who acknowledged they weren't U.S. citizens, Miami-Dade's election supervisor says. Since elections records show each voted - Cue once in 1996 and Walters seven times since 2000 - the office forwarded the men's names to the Miami-Dade state attorney's office.

Plus, it's not really confirmed that they actually voted:
Cue, 53 and from Miami, told The Herald he's a schizophrenic, doesn't remember voting and said three others have his same name and birth date.

"I've never voted a day in my life," Cue said. "I've lived in this house for 14 years and I have never filled out any paperwork regarding voting."
 
2012-06-04 01:32:22 PM
I'm okay with the sentiment, not with the conflict of interests and poor implementation.
 
2012-06-04 01:34:48 PM
This is a huge non-story. State wants to update voter roles and remove deceased people. Good for them. A little housekeeping is always in order. Any other story is just manufactured outrage.

Protip: if you can't tell if you're registered to vote, and don't know how to check, either, you're too damn stupid to vote anyway. Obviously you can't be bothered to learn basic civics.
 
2012-06-04 01:34:53 PM

Silly Jesus: And the Democrats are outraged that two ballots were removed?

Not sure how this is a big enough deal for either side to be OUTRAGED!11!!!!1!


I came here to say the same thing (maybe with fewer exclamation marks), but it does add up to more frustration and costs for older voters. It's funny how a party that so often points to the DMV as evidence of ineffectual government services wants to make more people have to deal with government bureaucracies.
 
2012-06-04 01:35:47 PM

domenad: There were over 100k names on the rolls of dead and ineligible people.


Are there actually people voting under those names? I don't give a shiat if Benjamin Franklin is on the voter roll so long as nobody is voting under that name.
 
2012-06-04 01:36:17 PM

Diogenes: Ha! (Warning: CSB)

Just got a call on my cell phone last night from United in Purpose, an Evangelical group. They wanted to know if I was tired of Obama's high taxes and spending, and if I was not registered, they'd get me registered.

Here's a piece on them.

So they're trying to purge Democratic leaning voters while running a slipshod operation to register Christians and Republican leaning voters. Coincidence? I think not. Plus, this operation is out of California, while I live in Orlando.

Yet ACORN were the bad guys.


(a) I certainly hope said Evangelical group is not tax-exempt.

(b) Did you point out that taxes are lower under Obama?
 
2012-06-04 01:36:53 PM

ImpendingCynic: domenad: There were over 100k names on the rolls of dead and ineligible people.

Imagine that - a regular review of the rolls finds people who died, or moved away but failed to re-register in a new state or county.

It's so discourteous of dead people to not notify the elections board about their updated status.


When a person who has died remains on the voters roll, it is relatively simple to secure an absentee ballot and vote in their name. This can, does, and has happened. That's why this purge is being conducted - reducing the opportunity for fraud is as important as reducing, prosecuting, and eliminating actual fraud. I can explain it to simpletons like you and Splinshints, but I can't comprehend it for you. One simple bastard a day is my limit and thanks to you I'm stocked up.
 
2012-06-04 01:37:02 PM
cwolf20
Of course my question is, how did farkers, including me, miss Louisiana GOP convention members having police arrest and drag away Louisiana GOP convention Ron Paul supporter members

Of course my question is, how is that relevant to this thread? Also, why do Ron Paul supporters hate democracy? They lost the vote. Now they want to steal the delegates that are in no way rightfully theirs based on the primary voting.
 
2012-06-04 01:37:08 PM

PsyRat: This is a huge non-story. State wants to update voter roles and remove deceased people. Good for them. A little housekeeping is always in order. Any other story is just manufactured outrage.

Always

in order? Like, say, a week before the election? And if you've been improperly removed, you can mail in a request to re-register that will be processed in 4-6 weeks?
 
2012-06-04 01:37:39 PM

Lord Dimwit: (a) I certainly hope said Evangelical group is not tax-exempt.

(b) Did you point out that taxes are lower under Obama?


Pre-recorded. But I've been calling them all day at the number on their web site.
 
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